Hardsuit Combat

Aug 10, 2017 3:21 AM

Sqwuid

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Technically not a selfie.

This is me at my first fighter practice. Fighter practice? Fighter practice. Within the SCA (Or Society for Creative Anachronism for you... long winded people). Which, as you will see, is not just dressing up like period medieval folk and running around shouting "HUZZAH." Most people picture that, but what people come to spectate is this!

The trash can is period.

Next to me is a Duke. My first night I was taken in by experienced knights (Knights who have fought and trained to become knights, because you can't just be a knight). Jack is the Duke's name, the two guys in front are some other fighters. Yes, those are spears!

For those wondering, that helmet weighs about 10 pounds. It is all steel, and the armor you see is all real. Hardsuit combat is full contact. Everything above and knees and elbows is legal to strike and results in "wounds" or "death."

When I first showed up I thought it was wicked cool to hear myself and everyone around me clank when we walked. Still my favorite part.

Sir Duncan, the only person there that was my height! If you look you can see his shield is held differently from mine. It's what is called a "centerboss," I am using a heater shield. The main difference being that a heater is strapped to your arm and centerboss is held by the hand at the center of the shield. This is primarily what the vikings used. You have a lot more range of movement with a centerboss. Unfortunately, it's also heavy to wield if you have noodle arms like me and if you're new, the tendency is to throw it all over the place to block shots which leaves you open to attack.

Two of our spearmen. You can see the different pieces of armor worn here. A helmet, gorget (keeps your neck from being squished), chest protection in the form of plates or lamellar, gauntlets, etc.

Jeans are totally period.

On the right is my Lord, with the dragons on his shield. He took me in and appointed me Man at Arms. He is training me to be an effective swordfighter. What he doesn't know is I secretly chose him and puppydogged till he gave in. He has mastered footwork, in-your-face fighting, and this offhand leg shot that makes you want to curl up and die. This is primarily due to all the real life combat he did in the Marines...

See how he's standing there with his guard down? He does that to everyone. I fought next to him at Estrella war and it was spectacular to watch the spearmen look at him like "what, are we going now?" Yes. And now you're all dead!

For reals he doesn't stop charging the front line.

Alright so this is a selfie but I'm displaying my armor. I made that, it's called lamellar. Plate was expensive and difficult to forge, so they made these tiny plates instead and laced them together. This was about 2 weeks worth of work. Also pictured is my gorget!

Did I mention Estrella War? Yeah, this is it. 500 fighters on our side, 500 on theirs. My Lord and I fight with the Thirteen, and we were on the front lines. My Lord and I frequently charged the spearmen on the front line to disrupt and open up their defenses for an attack from our side. It hurts tho. You charge full bore into 5 six foot tall guys, shield over your head, and they all reach over the top and beat you with their swords until you fall.

And yeah, you fall. Curl up under your shield and protect your legs and ribs, you WILL be stepped on.

More combat. It looks like chaos because it is. But sometimes it's strategic.

And yes it is full contact. I don't wear armor on my bottom.... I will soon. This is one of three strike I received in the same day.

Learn to block!

It wasn't very chock full of info but if you guys want more details on how it works, different parts of armor and rules, let me know! I love this sport and the camaraderie it involves. I've made so many friends and it's the only place I've genuinely enjoyed going to for fighting (I've done boxing, kung fu, etc...). I have learned so much and I am still learning. I can't wait until one day I have the skill to match these guys!

EDIT** Alright obligatory FP edit time. I appreciate the support you guys, and all the questions have been amazing! The number one question I have gotten has been how to get involved. So I'll make a little thing here.

GETTING INTO IT:

First, go to the SCA website and locate your kingdom. Kingdoms are big, overarching things that contain what are called baronies.

Next, find your barony. A barony a piece of the Kingdom. You want to find the region closest to you. They usually have websites and facebook pages, you'll find the marshal's information there.

Find out when they hold fighter practice. For instance in Phoenix, Kingdom of Atenveldt, Barony of Atenveldt, we hold fighter practice at 8pm-10pm on Tuesday nights at Coronado Park. During the fall months we hold fighter practice at Encanto Park.

Contact the marshal! They are more than happy to direct you and let you know about the rules. In addition if you let them know you're coming, they'll likely have loaner gear ready for you to wear so you can try it yourself! IMPORTANT! You will need a cup (males AND females)!

Get involved! There's more to the SCA than just fighting. The arts and crafts are amazing. I personally do leatherwork, some woodwork, sewing, etc. Try it! It's a blast, the community is incredibly welcoming and generous, and they love curious new folks!

ARMOR:

The next biggest question was about armor. I'll make a new post about that because it's a lot to explain here to get yourself geared up!

Post is up! http://imgur.com/a/yOUmY

WEAPONS:

Primarily made of rattan or polycarb and follow very specific rules. You are not limited to swords and spears. There are glaives, axes, knives, bow, experimental weapons, siege weapons etc. One of my fav stories is of one of our combat archers. She wields a bow. When she was charged one time she threw her bow down and whipped out a dagger she'd hidden. Now, typically combat archers yield when swordsmen get too close. She did not and took them by surprise, and killed a whole bunch of them before they finally got her!

Literally dagger up the sleeve!

FIGHTING, REAL TECHNIQUES?:

Yes and no. SCA combat has a lot of modification involved. Organizations like HEMA are more historically accurate. However, it's not all bashing people with sticks and there is real techniques from ye olden days of fighting involved (Such as flat snaps, offhands, etc). These guys have real skill and before I experienced it firsthand, I too thought it was a bit "bashy with sticky". My Lord especially made me realize that the technique and footwork are what make a difference in your combat. Anybody can swing a stick. Knights know how to do that and make you wonder where the hell it came from and why you're looking up at the night sky.

EDIT 2*** I totally forgot to mention events and personas.... errr.

Yeah go SCA. My father was in a Kingdom in his college days when he met my mother. he still has line on a rib that didn't heal correctly.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lol most of the guys have an injury that didn't heal quite right xD

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Estrella war is my favorite part of the year. I've been going since I was a baby.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

A long time ago when I was in the sca I borrowed my friend's helm, named "the bell". Pretty sure that's where I lost half of my hearing. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

HAHAHAA! Yeah I still get that. It rings like a bell! You can hardly hear it tho if you're laughing manically

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Turns out, he used to work on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier so he couldn't hear anything already.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

@Sqwuid what kingdom are you in? I'm over in AnTir! It's nice to see an SCA post here!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Atenveldt! Hello sister! Or brother... BurritoQueen? Anyway, that's why I posted it. :) I thought imgur would like.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are you at Pennsic?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

No I couldnt make it this year, too much going on. But I want to go next year :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hey i think I recognize your armor! I was at Estrella, What kingdom are you from?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Atenveldt :) and sweet! Maybe we squared off! message me and I'll send you my facebook page :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't fight but I do water bare^_^

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And we appreciate you so much! We get so sweaty and dehydrated, you guys keep us going. There'd be no fighting without you!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Please tell me you do this https://68.media.tumblr.com/d357f4a1fabf440f342c8f960cfc1d50/tumblr_inline_orcn6cne6r1trjbtw_540.gif

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

FUCK YAH. 99% of the sport is male. You cant tell I'm a girl under my armor. So when my helm comes off all the dudes are like "what a noob."

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Jk. I'm a warrior just like them. Out there, youre not man or woman, youre a fighter. And I garner the same respect as any man.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I just spent about 30 minutes researching SCA and my local groups. So glad I found this!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Go get em! Feel free to message me if you need help or have questions :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sounds fun, would like to try rolling like In dark souls would confuse the shit out of anything

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lol yeah it'll be awkward and in slow mo. There's a process for getting the armor on because bending become a problem xD

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The rolling doesn't help. I checked.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Too bad, now I just got the image of someone rolling and getting repeatedly bashed with swords in my head

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Roll for initiative

9 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 1

Rolls ankle instead.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

No, that's D&D

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Constitution's more important. (The days fighting is followed by an evening of HEAVY drinking... followed by more fighting the next morning)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

[War cry intensifies]

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No flippin way dude FIGHT FOR INITIATIVE GO GO GO

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I don't need initiative. I have armor and a big fucking sword!

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

If you really want to up your game, I'd highly recommend HEMA

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

is different from fighting effectively in HEMA :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My friend is in that and also in the SCA. He says it's difficult to translate because the style required to fight effectively in the SCA

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Awesome! Hope to see you on the Battlefield at Great Western War! Look for the shields with two white stripes!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'll keep an eye out! My shield may not be painted yet, so look for the big mirror blinding everyone lol!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hahaha...I fight with Saint Martin's so I will have their shields, if you want to just say hi come find the Inept Engineers!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hella cool! I sure will! This one, right? http://army.sca-caid.org/images/units/stmartins.gif

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That would be the ones! Ser Arion is an awesome guy and he pays well for my camps bolstering services.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well I will definitely hunt you guys down then :D can't wait!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And is that Sir Aerin (I think that's how it's spelled I don't know...) that you recognize from the pictures or somebody you know? :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Enjoy, used to do this, not sure why I stopped tbh

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

No time like the present to get back into it. (He says knowing full well that he himself hasn't been active in years) Huzzah!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Honestly love archery way more and now having had some time to think about it the politics bothered me.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah im a heavy cas the one time i tried archery even making sure i inspected every arrow i somehow managed to break one nearly lost my eye.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Luckily i have a tough skull and it was mm in my favour. The politics can be a real drag. Still for much love for the peeps i met though.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*and politics. At least that's why I left.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh boy the politics. And the 'period whores' who suck the fun out of it.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And the primadonnas who think a light blow in combat equals a kill. I miss being a heavy, but don't miss the drama.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Nice butt

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Thanks! :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Pennsic war. I live about 20 minutes from there. They have some awesome parties at night ????

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

FLIP YES. The parties are epic! Have you been yet?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Not this year. But I've gone numerous times

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Where is this, roughly? I've been dying to find something like this even remotely in my area (Southern Mass, if anyone feels helpful)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

SCA.org you can find a local kingdom and barony to join up!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Been in since '79. You end up learning so much, not just history and combat, but clothing, brewing and baking, on and on and on.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's been a wild experience and there is so much knowledge. I have the privilege of living near Dave Demers too, I want his nordic helm!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In An Crosaire, we have so many talented craftspeople, and all friendly as hell.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You should totally do a post on how you made your armor, that looks super cool. Do you make the weapons too?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I did :) and my shield. All of it is handmade by myself or another. Next time I make something I will post it up!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

+1 for "the trash can is period" awesome post, cool pics.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I adore this

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

ok +1 for everything honestly. how did you get into this? How do I get into this?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Find your local fighter practice :) if you need help shoot me a message!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

thank you!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Look for your local group's facebook page, or possible a website. Most places have plenty of room for new people, and you can show up 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

At a fighter practice and introduce yourself. learning how to fight is great, but it's still a workout!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The things you find on random mode :) Greetings, I'm Lord Farouk and I hail from the Outlands! (Currently residing in Drachenwald) if you'd

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Outlands!!!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

like to see my armor pics or any tips, just pm me! :D

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Brother! I'd love to see, let me send you a message. Were you at Estrella? :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would so totally do this

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Then go for it :) I can help you get any info you need!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The SCA is wonderful for the combat and the crafts. And then there's the politics. You ever want to see what someone's really like, 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

watch them jockey around trying to get favor so they have support to be a make believe baron. I left the SCA because of that bullshit.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Stick jock 4 lyfe. No name. No device. Still KSCA.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I ignore it :) there's one in every group lol!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

How did the Duke get to be a Duke?

9 years ago | Likes 178 Dislikes 0

Win Crown tourney and be a King for six months; after that you're a Count. Do it twice or more, you're a Duke. (source:25+ yrs in the SCA)

9 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

That's not how you become king at all! There's this old bitch in a lake that hands out swords for that stuff. Fucking impostors.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I bet they aren't even nobility. They should be executed for impersonating nobility tbh. Cut their fucking heads off!

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

As a descendent of Henry VII and the earls of Blackadder I must concur lol

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

In the SCA, Dukes are former monarchs. Kings (and sometimes queens) become so by winning a tournament.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Hail from Northshield!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Hail, brother!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a 6'8" guy this would be fun

9 years ago | Likes 85 Dislikes 3

Shields are less effective, but you get insane reach with a twohander.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh cool. Didn't know The Mountain was on Imgur?!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

As a 6'8" guy who does do this, it is fun.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

If I got in shape this would be awesome, as someone who is 6 foot too

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Did you see the fighter standing in front of the duke? Most guys in it are overweight, just endurance training. You can do it!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is a HUGE guy in Florida that fights in minimal Hoplite style armor. He's amazing!

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

He's nuts!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

As a 6'8" guy you could do quite well now if you were left handed you would dominate. Lefties are not common

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

6'2" and left handed--can I play?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Of course just find a local Fighter Practice on www.SCA.org use kingdom look up to help narrow the search.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

6'5" and lefty, any chances I could join?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Bastards!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Lefties are fun. Trained for years with a lefty... also injured my right arm and learned to fight lefty for a year. I'm ambidextrous.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I live in the land of the lefties, or at least that is what we call it. I love and hate fighting them, however it is always fun.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Just wear some very proper shin guards. Short folks ALWAYS go for the shins.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You'd make more target too

9 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

The Mountain fears no one

9 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

As a short heavy fighter, that matter's very little. Reach and height are why i use a polearm

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

exactly i thought .

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

He can see the tops of our heads, and reach less for wraps. Huge advantage to be tall!

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

It's so cool to hear that SCA is still a thing. I was taken to some events when I was really little, but haven't heard of it in years.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Find an event to go to :) seriously, it gets lodged in your soul :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Someone tapped that ass... haha ha ha ha... um...

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I'll show myself out. Spears won't be necessary

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Spears are always necessary! Lol! But yeah... got tapped... the first time it ever happened I turned my whole body

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He apologized profusely lol!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The knight was going for a body shot so lots of power. I hobbled off the field in blind pain and dropped to my knees for a second lol!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Your ass sure took a beating. Great stuff. I always regret never trying my hand at armor when I used to smith.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

Having done a cuirass and both lobster/fingered gauntlets. Planishing. so much goddamn planishing.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What does that mean? :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Planishing is a technique for cold-working metal. Basically you have a big round bowl you pound a flat piece into to get curvature.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Smithing! I so love that stuff, do you have any pics I'd love to see. And why cant you now? No regerts dude!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Nothing overly dramatic. Just functional things.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Nice hammers!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks! That's a chasing hammer and a cross peen

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've done silversmithing, (and a tiny bit of blacksmithing) and it looked familiar. Well made tools are one of lifes pleasures.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It was about 7 years ago. I lost my shop and everything in it. Moved on since then. I made small tools and knives.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'm veey sorry to hear you lost your shop :( the knife you just posted is beautiful! You can do it again, if you want :) join the sca!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I live in Trinidad now. In the Caribbean. No smiths here, and not an anvil in sight.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sounds like a hole in the market!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They have tons of smiths and armorers who would be happy to help/lend a forge!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Not where I live, I'm afraid.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My first OC post was of a loom I made for an SCA friend:

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Here it is in use:

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is fantastic! I've always admired the skill of our craftsmen and women :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is it just bashing each other or do you actually train with certain weapons. If yes, is training based on medieval techniques?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

SCA Lochac here. Yes and yes for us.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

SCA Heavy, shown here, don't train with any weapons beyond those (rattan?) sticks of different lengths, sometimes with padding on the end.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

SCA cut&thrust, on the other hand, train with steel weapons and some historical technique. Though if you really want that, go HEMA instead.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ah right, sounds like fun :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There's nothing intentionally medieval or renaissance about how they fight. Just modern stick-fighting, with vaguely period-looking gear.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Once you can defend yourself, learning the period stuff becomes more appealing...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Different weapons still require different techniques tho :) I wanna go handaxe.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have done viking re-enactment for years... All our weapons are blunted steel.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sweet! I have a friend that does that up in Oregon!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM-afOXLBdM it gets real fun in Europe.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We do use widely known sword techniques, yes. Flat snaps, offhand shots, etc. There is modification for SCA combat tho :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Sounds good! I used to fence ( very different ). It has given me an taste for decently executed swordwork. Though bashing can be fun too :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well I'm still new so I still treat it like a club lol... but learning :) I've alwasy had respect for the rapier fighters because it looks

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

a lot harder than what we do.. A lot more control and like... feeling through the sword. Why'd you stop fencing? :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was a light fighter. Hand dexterity aside, it's a lot of footwork/movement. But then, was more of a "soul" and "body" than "mind" fighter.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Heavy, light and cut+thrust fighters all train with realistic techniques. Heavys use rattan and wear armor, C+Ts use metal longswords

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

and wear specific armor and padding, lights use metal rapiers and wear padding and slightly less armor than C+T. Light armor is designed to

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

protect the neck (gorget) and prevent puncture wounds, rapiers have big rubber blunts on the tips.

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