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Escape from Camp 14
Escape from Camp 14 won the 2012 Grand Prix de la Biographie Politique, a French literary award, was a nonfiction finalist for the Dayton Literary Peace Prize, and was featured on 60 Minutes. Find it at http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0143122916
Camp 14:Total Control
EDIT: Several people mentioned this documentary, which I was not aware of. Here is a clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og
rootwo
I feel like he could have exaggerated half of this nightmare and I'd still hate NK for its crimes against humanity. I mean...cannibalism.
BulldozerBeauty
I read the book, and he came to my university and spoke about his life, told his story... So incredible.
DeletedProfiles
To do this to these people is an abomination. They are human beings and deserve to be treated as such, no one has the right to take away
LurkurNoLongur
This needs more upvotes
MysteryCreepyGuy
I read this book and its really amazing but recently I heard that he made a lot of things up. Nonetheless amazing book recommend to everyone
puffthemagicdracula
These are my people. My mother's family escaped the north during the war. My heart breaks to hear stories like this
bigez1988
Isn't this how Bane came to be?
kongfuchicken
Well Bane got electrocuted here so he's gonne need a bigger mask...
RevanIsFuckingBadass
Escape from Camp 14 is a fantastic book, it is ridiculous that things like this continue until this day.
FourCatsAndSevenMemesAgo
North Korea is one place where I really want the USA to free the ever-loving shit out of it. Complain below.
AussieCunt1990
Is America meant to invade every one and fix every problem ? what about the rest of the world ?
DDPB9k5G
1) If the USA won't do what's right, who will? 2) *crickets*
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Fuck the people who continue to run N. Korea and enslave its people. Especially that dickless Kim Jong-un.
duckshooter
Imagine there are people...still facing everything written above.
ScionOfHRH
#FuckNorthKorea
somethingwithanne
But why was he allowed to be born, if all foetuses were thrown away?
DDPB9k5G
more slaves
ihaveenoughofthisorgasm
in the first text it says his parents had the permission
somethingwithanne
To have sex, yes, but it doesn't say they were allowed to get pregnant...
MOREIMPATIENT
We've invaded and destroyed other countries for less, makes me sick that this is still going on not just in nk but other countries as well.
DDPB9k5G
That's part of the calculus of war. You invade weak countries that no allies, not strong countries with Nukes (maybe) that have allies.
aFroSamurai86
Thank you OP for posting this, it was good read. Obviously the stuff that happened was awful but it was a real eye opener.
RavioliRavioliEndMyExistenceoli
Commenting for later
Sawaflies
Have read the book. Twice. It's horrifying.
NecaZombie
But noooo. First invade Libya, because in Libya ... it was bad. Now everything is fixed juuuuust right.
Thekingofbeans
Libya doesn't have China protecting it.
DDPB9k5G
Gaddafi was practically our ally in the region. I still don't know why we invaded. Makes me wonder if it was a "wag the dog" thing?
DidItForScience
Libya doesn't have nukes (or the support of major powers). Which is one reason why some other countries want nukes so bad.
Thechefpharmd
Great book! Really eye opening...I am not much for war, but if the US wanted to invade NK (and the rest of the world was OK with it)...well
MyMomSaysIamMinuteMaid
I'm surprised the U.S. Hasn't tried to intervene more tbh, maybe because fear of China?
Thechefpharmd
Just posted the same thing...China is why we aren't going (IMO too)
Dawnstempest
Because we can't. The people of North Korea are brainwashed to the point where almost all of them would fight to the death for the country
Dawnstempest
I can go into more detail, but that's the main reason. You can't save a country that will fight you to almost the last man woman and child.
AnnFranksMilitia
We have the most intensive sanctions possible on NK (same as were on Iran), but that's about it so far. Sadly, humanitarian violations (1/?)
AnnFranksMilitia
like what's happening in NK are often much lower on the list for reasons to act against a perpetrator than a number of others.
Sauroctonus
I'm pretty sure China's only real reason for not supporting a war on North Korea's govt. is because of the massive amount of refugees.
FindaBalance
No, they consider North Korea a buffer zone between them and the US.
FindaBalance
China, Russia, Bulgaria and what would happen to S. Korea, Japan and the U.S. They do have the 4th largest standing Army in the world.
StooperDave
Yeah, its pretty much all China. They are playing at being a superpower in the region. Although the US is still China's primary source of >
StooperDave
income from export. That, along with the massive debt that would of course be completely erased by us if China started anything. so>
StooperDave
I really dont know why we haven't invaded NK yet just to show China who's really in charge of their weak, export driven economy.
AnnFranksMilitia
Yeah, China is NK's only real backer and they happen to have a permanent seat on the Security Council with us, so it's... tricky.
McFarvo
North Korea: when Big Govt goes full fucker
JenWontShutUp
So, this is as screenshot of my exact post from 2 years ago. Not OP's fault, but the website didn't credit its source, which sucks.
DarthTurducken
I have my source in the description of this post: http://themetapicture.com/everyone-should-know-about-this-guy
DarthTurducken
Sorry I didn't search Imgur to see if someone else had posted about him
JenWontShutUp
I'm saying they stole it from me, from imgur. Not your fault. I posted it two years ago. They posted it a year ago.
DarthTurducken
I understand, sorry about that
JenWontShutUp
It's okay haha I was just like.. these are... my words. wtf?
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JenWontShutUp
and if you want to learn more, got o www.libertyinnorthkorea.org
LumpinSpacePrincess
But, really, why aren't we doing something?
Razormane
For fear of angering China or Russia by targeting an old communist ally, as well as getting involved in 'their part of the world'.
LumpinSpacePrincess
Yea I know that is the reason, but I still wonder why aren't we doing something.
Razormane
Sanctions only work so well against them as they don't import, and no one wants to invade the region, so...Not much CAN be done.
LumpinSpacePrincess
I understand there is a massive political thing behind this, but CAN and WILL are two different things, there are so many people suffering!
TayTayGaming
Have you ever heard of the Cold War? I don't think we want to start a part 2 by creating the Korean War part 2.
mijosm
Also made into a documentary, saw it on Netflix. It's heartbreaking.
DDPB9k5G
which one?
mijosm
It's called Camp 14
DDPB9k5G
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Camp_14_Total_Control_Zon">70264533">http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Camp_14_Total_Control_Zone/70264533 http://airshipdaily.com/blog/netflix-finds-camp-14-total-control-zone
DDPB9k5G
thanks
libertyduck
@sarah can we have like a tab on the home page, dedicated for humans rights posts? That way, more people would see this? Something like that
TheMightyDio
I've never said @sarah before but this time i think I should.
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DirkDiggler5000
I'm sure that's the best use of her time you retard.
DarthTurducken
clickshytango
Isn't this what the tagging system is for?
saucE90
Plz @Sarah
LarfleezePlz
That's a brilliant idea I second it!
trimsy
Nah thats how you get SJW's everywhere
JavertYourAss
props +1
sarah
What about an "Inspiring" topic?
Freakingdoomguy
Faith in humanity
libertyduck
sounds like a plan. Anything! It breaks my heart knowing that media would rather cover the lottery winner, instead of situations like this
RocketPropelledHighFive
Could we have a tab dedicated to the colour Grey?
TachyonCode
I like the idea, but I don't consider this "Inspiring". I consider it Tragic, which there should also be a tab for.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
"What Really Matters"
androidsheep
That is a good catch-all.
Dawnstempest
The problem is there is nothing really inspiring about this. There is just sadness. But it is more politically correct.
Freakingdoomguy
Faith in humanity
AllHailTheDramaLlama
That should work
artimies7
@sarah this is important. Really, this time.
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
You fucks what good is this going to do. Everyone knows the DPRK is a hell on Earth. What good is it going to do to bring it up in this site
MuhammedLee
That's an adorable idea, but why not tabs for all kinds of different posts then? I know human rights are important but there are so many 1/2
MuhammedLee
2/2 other important subjects also. And some people come here only for the fun stuff...
libertyduck
well, Sarah has replied, suggesting an "Inspiring" topic
usernameisveryrelevantorisitdundundun
That's real fucking dumb
ButterfaceTaintClown
Or just keep this in with the rest of the posts, because the type of people who need to see these posts aren't looking for these posts (1
ButterfaceTaintClown
Great movie btw, saw it on Netflix UK a while back (2
nvrCryWolf13
I agree, most people come on imgur for the funnies, posts like this are like ads to them
UhBell
@sarah I know you hear us.
Fuckweasel
Perhaps not, it's been said that tagging her, or Alan, no longer work due to the account being flooded with it.
ILikeToHideInLongCommentChains
Would tagging someone else work? Like @brianna or @tyrannoSARAusrex
tyrannoSARAusrex
Wait why am I being tagged?
Fuckweasel
I don't really know, you'd have to message them and ask.
tyrannoSARAusrex
I like Sarah's idea (sorry to flood with responses)
tyrannoSARAusrex
Ohh I see now. Adding to the feature request list. Thanks!
ILikeToHideInLongCommentChains
Thanks for coming. :)
DarthTurducken
+1
UhBell
@sarah pls
MyMomSaysIamMinuteMaid
@sarah
doesthisbricksmelllikechlorophormtoyou
@sarah I support this!
BhataktiAtma
+1
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
Make it so!
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gizziethefurball
Such a good idea
RapidZigs
@sarah I don't usually get involved in asking you for things but this one is important. ^
KrondorMocker
It sickens me that stuff like celebrity twitter fights makes so much of the news compared to this. This should be frontline news
BubberFantasyonline
...but, but Kylie Jenner's new Ferrari won't fit into her garage!
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Slash0mega
and what are you doing about?
xwydz
Remember people raging about a dead lion when Zimbabwe has other issues which are way more severe? We tend to be self-centered idiots.
samb0ne
It sickens me that Dennis Rodman supports this shit.
Kommadore
If we can get enough likes maybe North Korea will change? What are we supposed to do?
soupiswhatitsoundslikewhenyoueatsoup
Start a rumor that North Korea has oil.
Patilistan
THAT comes with a guarantee of international "intervention".
Zornbringer
that's the world we're living in. that's how our system works. if we want to or not, we are part of it.
bangclang
Watch RT News for real stuff
Patilistan
Putin's news? NK routinely sells prisoner labor to Russian territories for cash and discount weaponry. There's another documentary about it.
IAmDrBanner
What really sickens me are people who truly think North Korea has the right idea or think those camps in NK are a lie.
celedream
I've never heard of any people like that.
IAmDrBanner
Most of them are in the "capitalism is bad" crowd. Although they are a minority even in that group. It is just like holocaust deniers.
jsktrogdor
1/2 "THE MEDIA AINT COVERIN THE NEWS PROPERLY!" says Americans while the NYT quietly covers the news properly
KingslyKross
Where's part two?
jsktrogdor
justanotherleaf
i cant see it either.
jsktrogdor
Weird.
kryah
This is why I never cared too deeply about the lion.
albatross17
This is news to you? Most people have known about this for years.
comrademittens
He made several redactions earlier this year after kick back from other survivors and his shame to tell the whole story. (1/2)
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justasomeone
every day this is someones life
Fierfly
Love how they point out that he wasn't in C14 all his life and was actually in C18 for a bit. Like that just discredits his torture.
aramil31
I'd recommend "Aquariums of Pyongyang" instead. Less controversy around it, and it goes from the author's childhood to adult life.
acciowinter
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DDPB9k5G
The Cleanest Race is another North Korea book. http://www.amazon.com/The-Cleanest-Race-Koreans-Themselves/dp/1935554344
Waidonut
Yeah that one is really good. Nothing to Envy is a great one detailing the great famine as well.
DrOsmium
We already know that economic sanctions won't work, and going to war with NK is basically going to war with China. There's no easy way here.
TrueA
I have to wonder. If we decided to invade North Korea, would China actually go through with it? They stand to lose a lot if we went to war.
Deeaitchpee
The NKs have targeted SK cities with poison gas artillery, etc. A war would come at a high price.
ButtblasterMcAssmaster
Of course not. China has nothing to gain from defending that bankrupt shithole, people who claim they would are delusional.
MegaRiceBall
US won't invade Korea. Neither China nor US want to do this shit again. It's sad that NK people are suffering but until China and US do not
MegaRiceBall
see each other as enemy. But it will take a long time or won't happen at all
monkeymuffins
China is treaty bound to militarily assist North Korea in a defensive war. https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/中朝友好合作互助条约
kucerakov
There's basically zero chance China would do anything. Their allegiance is an excuse.
TrueA
I can't imagine that they'd choose the benefits of having North Korea over their trade relations with the U.S.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
The Chinese regime is built on strength and prosperity. To allow the US to crush their only true ally right on their borders...
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
...would be incredibly dangerous. Plus, there's all sorts of things you can do with an inferior ally with a shitload of slaves and soldiers.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Oh, and the US trade relationship with China heavily benefits the US as well, and both sides' elite know it.
PhunPhact
Legit question: Why does China protect them? What do they (China) get out of it?
holyshititsbeefsupreme
No rising power wants the US military on its border
icypants
Most of the important reasons have been listed; another is that China doesn't want the overflow of NK people within their borders.
Iforgetmyusernameeasily
Apart from what others have said China and Russia also get cheap labor from NK who sents them there as a way to pay for bills.
8thGraid
I think they essentially get slave labor goods.
PhunPhact
Wow. That's so messed up.
TsunamiJohn
We get slave labor goods from China, who get their slave labor goods from NK.
Arconte1
Mainly national pride. China holding back the US forces in the Korean War as a propaganda point.
MegaRiceBall
Partially right. However people have already started asking ourselves what we got from the war. I do not think either US or China would like
MegaRiceBall
to do this again.
MegaRiceBall
Military buffering zone. Nothing more nothing less. Chinese people are aware of the cruelty of NK's empire and willing to help anyone who
Eowyneb
This is not true. There is a law in China that states that NK people who escape must be sent back.
MegaRiceBall
escaped. However we cannot change the political landscape that was formed 60 years ago.
MisterAnderson
China and Mongolia as states, however do regularly turn defectors over to DPRK and a subsequent fate far worse than death.