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In this comics logic you can get away with stealing a bike so long as someone else stole a car.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Do you think that the EU doesn't trade with Russia, too? That would be pretty fucking stupid of you.
JulienQuidam
I have two friends. One of them is completely stupid. 1/2
JulienQuidam
The other in a great person so when is making something stupid I'm very disappointed. I expect nothing for the stupid one 2/2
erbiumyttriumytterbium
Sigh. true.
tiarali
Australia kills gays. Look up 'gay panic defense'.
moepwizzy
Err, only 6% of Europes Oil comes from Saudis. Whereas almost 30% comes from Russia. So this comic doesnt make any sense...
foxwithtools
Well, for now it does. Why there's war in Syria, how do you think?
cousteau
Yeah cos Russia kills 5x fewer gays or less
tehcowgoesmo0123
I love whataboutism
PizzaGovorun
+1 for introducing the term. Interesting use of the "tu quoque" fallacy.
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tehcowgoesmo0123
Yeah it seems to happen all the time when discussing Russia. Criticism of Russian actions usually leads to people saying "What about the US"
manslut
Oh? And what's happening in Chechnya exactly?
IDoNotContribute
Cechnya is where the gay concentration camps are right?
BaxtersSoup
Muslims.
fregeek
Good documentary about Saudi Arabia: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/saudi-arabia-uncovered/ Terrorism turned into daily life.
rossimus
Well, Saudi Arabia isn't *also* an existential geopolitical threat.
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lanceconstablebluejohn
would they really ever be like "yeah we're literally evil" though? everyone thinks they're the hero in their own story
fyndir
Yeah, those dastardly Westians annexing Crimea, when oh when will brave hero leader for life Putin put a stop to them?!
rossimus
The Eu and Ru are geopolitical rivals in a zero sum game. Neither can win without the other losing. Only one has invaded a neighbor though.
JoeYoHoe
EU(NATO) invaded Yugoslavia
AreYouReallyKiddingMe
More like stopped the genocide in Yugoslavia.
JoeYoHoe
Nope, they helped Islamic terrorist commit war crimes.
rossimus
EU=/=NATO
haltwenty13
Kuwait, maybe okay? I don't know the near slavery of migrants is pretty bad. It's a hard region to like.
DespiseEveryone
Okay, Russia and its usage of actual NK slaves? Russia seems determined of late to be worse then everyone else.
Chlor
Lots of countries have "joint ventures" with NK using conveniently placed factories in NK. Decently skilled workers for super cheap.
DespiseEveryone
Russia imports them into Siberia and keeps them under guard. It is worse.
valvarsson
Wait, do russians think the people who give homophobes shit and the people deciding whether to buy oil from Saudi are the same people?
steviEa
It isn't talking about individualistic opinion. It's talking about the treatment and standards set by the EU
valvarsson
We never said we'd dull our criticism proportionally to how shitty u r against gays. We never said we only trade with countries we love.
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Yeah, the comic is kinda populist...
steviEa
I get that. But the EU trades with both countries in this comic yet seems to hold another one at a different standard
BenjaminPannell
This this English deliberately bad?
PizzaGovorun
Also, the silent bigotry of lowered expectations. In a way it's a compliment to Russia. We think you're advanced enough to act civilized.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Exactly. Thank you for posting this. This is equally applicable to the Israeli Palestine conflict.
PizzaGovorun
That. And sometimes pusillanimity, conscious or not. It's safe to protest against Israel and Jews. Not so much with Arabs and Islam.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Yeah Muslims are 'oppressed' and as such can't be oppressors under leftist identity politics. Jews are privileged so fuck 'em.
PizzaGovorun
Partly fear of physical aggression, partly fear of labeled by mostly leftist extremists. I hope you realize I am a moderate liberal, though?
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
I'm liberal. I'm not a leftist. They're very different things.
TheJazzGhost
So fuckin' sick of Saudi Arabia. Wish the world could move past oil so SA can no longer get away with its shit.
TechKiddz
They aren't the only nation that relies on oil for lots of money
TheJazzGhost
I mean, you're right. But ultimately, don't you agree that the world would be better off in general if we all switched to renewables?
TechKiddz
Ye
Jbluberry
What would you replace the current govt there with? How would you deal with the Wahabi population?
TheJazzGhost
Well, I don't know honestly, but they are empowered because of their oil.
lawideas
This will continue for as long as the left continues to blindly align itself with Islam.
MGGM19
This will continue for as long as they have oil.
ojisama
I'm pretty sure that before the Crimea annexation, the trading discussions with Russia were constantly ongoing... and still are.
Sakkura
The plans for a new natural gas pipeline (Nord Stream 2) from Russia to Germany are still in the works.
Rakorsky
They built these pipelines to bypass Poland and Baltic states. Germany and Russia are same shit they always were.
WildDaft
I mean they're not wrong?
Hegamonia
Russia has nothing to give the EU, that's why we let the Saudis do what they want and hate on Russia for being a less evil version.
HolUpSoYouSayin
The most fucked up fact in 2017. Saudi Arabia is the head of the UN human rights council. For real. That's a real fact.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
No it isn't. The UNHRC is headed by an individual named Filippo Grandi. OHRC has rotating reps from 6 world wide regions, Saudi is 1/6
itisalwaysmybirthday
Do you have a source on that?
MiasmaCorrigan
that explains everything
elijohud
Compared to a fake fact?
chrisharddick
Alternative facts
MrSquirrely
It's JoaquÃn Alexander Maza Martelli of El Salvador. Half of me wants to believe you already knew that.
Gibenitural
They're like the S.H.I.E.L.D. , without the intelligence anyway.
UncleIrohnman
i still go with that orange dickface as mfu fact
fregeek
...and people wonder why the World is collapsing... sigh...
VeggieWombat
Nope, of some sub comittee.
DONTGETMONEY
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Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
I knew that in 2016 and am still baffled by that decision. The UN is a joke.
Hxs115
Probably cause they have so many right hands. Ba dum tsss..
Theinternetwasinventedforveryimportantscience
You might be interested in learning that the EU and the UN are not the same thing.
boevis
Basically every country in the Middle East is terrible. No, Really.
thelovechildofhitlerandstalin
Are the Jordanians that bad? I don't hear much about them
GreaterDog
Only heard positive/neutral things about Jordan. Admittedly increased crime rate proportional to the enormous amount of refugees let in,
GreaterDog
but by no means are they institutionally repressive or unsafe to visit.
Jbluberry
Jordan is a country of refugees, almost half the people living in the country are Iraqi, Palestinian, Or Syrian refugees.
Jbluberry
The fact that they function as a moderate democracy is amazing.
NotFarEnough
Queen Rania >>>
thelovechildofhitlerandstalin
Having a queen sets them apart from the rest in their area
NotExistor
Tunisia w/ functional democracy and women's rights.
Or10nSharkFin
Don't be racist, they're just misunderstood! /s
EatingFiftyBagels
Those countries are underdeveloped, lack goverment integrity and they're practicing law based upon religious scripture. Its not racism.
VoidIncarnate
So... Alabama?
EatingFiftyBagels
Basically
Tabrias
Basically every country is terrible. No, Really.
PizzaGovorun
I agree. Every country everywhere is terrible. Canada and Kiwiland don't sound too bad, but still...
NotFarEnough
Liechtenstein, New Zealand, and Barbados are the only good countries
NeuerStandard
you can exclude "in the Middle East". still true
NachoPete
The UAE is the shallowest end of the cesspool. Booze and bacon for non-Muslims.
kapp70
Even the good ones still try to arrest your ass for drinking too much. It almost happened to me.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Except Israel, which is weird because every university near me has leftist student groups calling for divestiture from Israel.
Peregrine2976
'Except for Israel', claims individual with little to no knowledge of Israel. It's still the best of the bunch though sadly.
Jellyrabbit
So many people like you think they know everything about Israel, yet people who actually live there are just stunned by your ignorance(me)
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
I know a lot about Israel. Been there actually.
only90skidswillgetthis
By what metrics is Israel not a terrible country and every other country in the Middle East is?
billburrwalderama
The rights on Bird Law are pretty neat
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
gay rights, women's rights. Slavery. Funding terrorism. FGM. Equal voting rights for Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is very easy for me.
only90skidswillgetthis
The implication that all of these things are problems in all Middle Eastern countries is wrong
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
In what middle eastern country besides Israel are none of them a problem?
PizzaGovorun
Freedom of press, low unemployment, low violent crime rate, good schools, universal (and decent) healthcare.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Raping a someone is a crime, being raped isn't a crime. There's no law against changing your religion in Israel. Birth control is accessible
DosobII
Probably something to do with occupation of Palestinian territory. Very much a breach of international law recognised by the UN.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Yeah that impartial UN. Those poor Palestinians, they didn do nuffin and those mean Jews just came in and took it.
BarrelLemon
You just got schooled fucko
DosobII
And yes the Israeli settlers did just come in and take it. Just look at Hebron. They just moved in then refused to leave.
Ssssssssssss
Not for the lack of effort on others.
Peregrine2976
Sarcasm aside, yes, that is precisely, factually, what happened.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Yeah they didn't claim any of those territories when the nations that owned them launched a war of aggression against Israel or anything.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Are you a shill?
only90skidswillgetthis
Ah, using sarcasm to mask actually having no idea how the conflict came to be. Yeah that's pretty much how it happened.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Jeez here i was thinking the Jews were attacked and when they won the war, kept territory from their aggressors.
DosobII
I'm not saying anything in defence of Palestinians. I'm simply saying that Israeli settlements are illegal under international law.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Yeah those countries should have thought about keeping their territory before they started a fight they can't win.
0AGM0
Except for the fact that the UN reneged on the promise of that land, so Israel was like "you already promised it to us, so we're taking it"
Jbluberry
Israel was never promised the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza, or the Sinai Peninsula. Occupied all of them
Jellyrabbit
Sinai was returned and gaza belongs to Hamas.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Did something happen with those nations, maybe in like six days, where there was a war or something? God it's tough to figure out.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
If you read that whole thing about their neighbors invading them. You kinda realize why they are not going to return it anytime soon.
Counterfit
That doesn't excuse settlements in the West Bank
flapperfemmefatale
doesn't change the hypocrisy. if they want the land, then formally annex it and grant citizenship to its inhabitants
flapperfemmefatale
otherwise, stop building settlements on land you claim you're willing to give up.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Half of Americans want a wall with Mexico and most Mexicans don't elect a government that wants to exterminate all Americans.
billburrwalderama
You'd be surprised at how many Mexicans despise the US
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
3/ in their face. IMO Golan heights is the only one I completely understand being Israel not relinquishing. Due to strategic value.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
2/ I'm not saying what Israel is in the right. I'm saying why should they bother doing the right thing if its obviously going to blow up
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Dunno if you know this or not, but Israel's neighbors have been threatening to exterminate them since the land was given to them.
brizzer
Why?
boevis
They are culturally still in the Dark Ages, economically are in the Colonial period, but have access to modern methods of self-harm.
tatischief
Sorry their middle class is culturally very similar. Except my SO is more clever than most of the men from Europe I met.
miscym
You ever visited any place in the middle east?
brizzer
Not to mention the methods to harm others. Nicely put in one sentence.
boevis
If nothing else, Twitter and Imgur have improved my vocabulary through forced brevity.
brizzer
I had to squeeze my thoughts to fit into a mobile SMS, so yeah.
TechKiddz
I thought Israel was ok
larryPins
unfortunately most of these countries were on their way to liberal democracy when Europe/US came along & fucked it up for personal gain.
Jbluberry
1) This is largely untrue for almost every Arab country. The exceptions being Algeria and Egypt.
Jbluberry
2) the only country that this can be proven in is Iran and Turkey where they failed to get their way after WWI.
Jbluberry
3) I can go into detail on the development of each Arab country if you want, but that's a bit tedious.
PepeSquirtal
Do it...
RuneScarredDeamon
Yeah! Fuck brown people!
larryPins
At its root this is true, but you'll never get anyone on here to admit it
Lunux
Or--and this may be a crazy idea--maybe fuck the Islamic ideology?
iamtiredofusernamealreadytaken
UAE? Don't talk without context?
WeHaveZeppelins
Yeah they haven't contributed anything useful in the past millennia
KSVagrant
You know, except Algebra, astronomy, and the concept of zero
SPAGHETTIMYMEATBALLS
Bit apart from that, what have the bloody Romans ever done for us!
UnexpectedZombie
Well, pretty much the basic foundations of the western civilization tied up with Greece. Good or bad, it's up to ya
emosion
Concept of zero comes from India
SexCopFirePenis
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veggiiies
You know what a map is?
RainbowLlama
Bahrain and Jordan m8
Jbluberry
Bahrain is pretty oppressive to the majority shi'a population. Oman would have been the better example
PizzaGovorun
Visiting Israel right now seems OK. Biggest problem, bacon is hard to find. Going through bacon withdrawals.
Zetor
See! Terrible, just like @boevis said.
PizzaGovorun
Meh... There are plenty of non-kosher stores. I'm just too lazy to drive out there.
Theforgottenartoffuckey
How does it feel to see apartheid firsthand
migueljaksun
not sure why youve been downvoted considering its a documented fact and has been for years. oh well
PizzaGovorun
Never seen one. False analogy. Going to streets, shops, zoo. Arabs mingle with jews, religious or secular without visible issues. 1/2.
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PizzaGovorun
It is wrong. What's the solution?
Theforgottenartoffuckey
Doubt that very much, amnesty international and human rights watch have said it, the wall and checkpoint are what give it away buddy
PizzaGovorun
Different issue. That is related to other state (to be). These are not Israeli citizens. What country treats hostile foreigners better?
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Well then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Jellyrabbit
Every terror attack that occurs at least twice a week is a terrorist from those "walls and checkpoints" who had a not so hard premission to
PizzaGovorun
I am sure on personal level prejudices exist, but they are countered by government. There are other problems. What about your prejudice?
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Thank you
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ProxyPlayerHD
I never ate bacon. Never saw it in stores... where do you usually buy that shit? I wanna try it.
billburrwalderama
Never had bacon?! I'm so sorry
PizzaGovorun
Depends on your geographic location. Also, different cultures may call different things "bacon."
nrtgf
As long as you ignore the Palestinian genocide it's great
PizzaGovorun
BangkokDanger
Ikr so fucked up that leading Israeli officials have said they want to kill all the Jews on the planet. Oh wait whoops that was Palestine.
TastyBrainMeats
The least effective "genocide" in history.
LordConti
Genocide's a bit of an overstatement, but yeah they're pretty violent to one another down there, the Palestinians and the Israelites.
Counterfit
I think Israeli is the term used for modern inhabitants.
LordConti
Yeah but it actually autocorrected it to Israelite, so I kept with that. Plus it sounds cool.
IAmJacksRagingBileDuct
The conflict has been going on for decades. Israel must be the worst at genocide ever to have not finished by now if that's what's going on.
VoidIncarnate
Jordan is pretty chill. Women voting since the 50s, homosexuality not illegal (though frowned upon) and peaceful relations w neighbours.
Vhyson
Except when they tried to exterminate the Jews, but sure other than that, totally chill
PizzaGovorun
They are OK for a marginally constitutional monarchy. Petra is cool!
TastyBrainMeats
I wish they were more OK with Israel.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Israel and Jordan get along pretty well.
BarrelLemon
Why would they be?
miscym
I wish people would be less OK with apartheid
TastyBrainMeats
I'm OK with it not being apartheid.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
How is this apartheid? These non citizens elect a majority government in their territory that wants to kill all of the Jews. Why would the -
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Jews allow them free access? That would be suicidal. 2/2
Jbluberry
In what way are they not?
Jbluberry
Considering that they have 2 million Palestinian refugees they're doing pretty well.
PizzaGovorun
They are more cross with Palestinians than with Israel. Look up Black September.
TastyBrainMeats
I was way off, I thought Jordan had serious diplomatic issues with Israel and it looks like that was invented by my own head. Sorry!
LychFinderGeneral
Strange, I thought they did too. Did they ever?
lespritdelescargot
I do like Jordan; their king seems to be an outright good guy who tries to use his position for postivity towards humans of all types.
thekwa
Believe it or not Iran was pretty modern as well, until they overthrew the shah.
TearingAway
ahhh shhhh we dont discus that...
VoidIncarnate
You mean their shah that we installed after the US overthrew their democratically elected government?
thekwa
Ya
VoidIncarnate
PS It was because we wanted their oil, and the Prime Minister was investigating BP's monopoly on their oil industry. Google Project Ajax.
deGoodMan
Also they've accepted 2 million Syrian refugees.
WhAtAb0uT
But I thought all 100,000 of them were currently in England stealing our jerbs?
PresidentDonaldJTrump
No there's 2 billion raping your mother in Sweden right now