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Cdeatut
This story is about seven years old. That guy is now Secretary of State.
kungfufil
yeah... that story is a bit more to it than that.
fiddlewheelx
I side with Diane Nguyen on this subject
heyjohnnyjohnny
Guys, when will you learn? One set of rules for the rich and one set of rules for us fucking scumbags at the bottom of the septic tank.
LionSundress
It's not safe we have rivers of fire where they frack here in Australia. sauce https://tinyurl.com/jua6ekq
BklynPunisher
What a fracking douche!
Yeahsamesame
Fracking sounds like a dirty word... lol
AnIdiotWhoShouldBeShot
Maybe because it was used in Battlestar Galactica to replace "Fucking"
stilloldbull
I bet he still won't drink the water...
Typhaonic
If a well is cemented to code then fracking would have no effect on the watertable. It is however ear damagingly loud.
DoopieSweat
He probs went toto Bradford County, PA and met folk whose livestock have no hair from drinking contaminated water.
wingnut98
The guy has been the secretary of state since February. Are you that far behind OP?
maplepancakes
This seems like the right thing to do. Any time someone says an environmentally dangerous act is safe, do it right near their home.
735824
Works for me.
7009
Apart from this being a dicks move, since when do we allow to take ecological advice from companies who caused things as Exxon Valdez crash?
ssyoda2
"And my wife told me, God's not done with you yet." Like him being Secretary of State is a spiritual calling. Pff
735824
Jes the Evile Spirit.
iNeverPoopAtWork
Thank you Exxon for flooding this chat with your bullshit "supporters".
ahinsak
Not in my backyard.
zma123456
The same guy is now the Secretary of State. So much for draining the swamp.
IronicUsername
Seriously. The conflict of interest alone should have been enough to disqualify him.
JohnSmithterms
"Gasland Documentary" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp4ELXKv-w
therewk
French minister of ecology is working on a ban on all fracking exploration and exploitation in France. Hope he succeeds.
secondcityguitars
Me too! A weak French energy sector is good for my portfolio.
therewk
There are still about twenty nuclear power plants remaining anyways. ;)
dec9675
Can one of you lovely people explain to a lesser mind what fracking is if you guys and gals would be so kind
IreallyMGur
Chemicals shot in to the ground - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-14432401
n0n53n53
www.google.com
cameraman502
Basically drill a hole that turn horz. for a long distance then use water to create fissures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YemKzEPugpk
superbob201
Hydraulic fracturing. Drill a hole, pump pressurized water in the hole to break up the pockets of methane, collect the methane.
borazhasleftthebuilding
pressurized water, and sand, and proprietary chemicals
whydotheycometometodie
It's like popping a blister by making another blister next to it or inside it.
JohnSmithterms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp4ELXKv-w - "Gasland" - This is an excellent documentary on the subject.
MADhouse64
deleted, but I've seen it before. Fracking. Do you want your water flammable? Because this is how you make your water flammable.
Strongit
Well, well, well...
EadEchiC
Remember that time Mnuchin and the Treasury sued EXXON for actions taken while Tilerson was CEO. It's like they have a circular fire squad.
735824
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thosearetheboobsimlookingfor
Source?
thdudedude
This happened three years ago. Also, who would want anything similar built near their house.
hardytardigrade
Exactly. "Build it near someone else's house instead." -Exxon CEO
Hurro
-Everyone* For example no one wants power lines in their backyard but everyone wants/needs electricity.
SchrodingersSchrodinger
That is a terrible comparison. Electricity hums; fracking turns the ground and water to poison.
Hurro
I was comparing industrial structures and whatnot not direct impacts of each.
choakid999
Bojack horseman season 4
screamo
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/22/exxon-mobil-tillerson-ceo-fracking/5726603/
Uuudd
He joined the suit to stop the construction of a WATER TOWER
screamo
And your point is?
lonelyforsakentorturedheart
suboptima1
A water tower is different than fracking? It seemed pretty obvious.
screamo
The water tower is part of the fracking infrastructure, duh.
Molvanian
Or is it?! I knew those water towers were up to something!
thdudedude
February of 2014....
Molvanian
It's OK, he'll edit in a Slowpoke to this post in another few years. Really being authentic with that meme.
MarsMatter
Construction is also pretty safe but that doesn't mean I welcome it happening next door in the middle of the night.
HeWhoPours
I lived next to the Lightrail in Minneapolis when it was being built for two years. What a fucking nightmare
Skizzlesnap
Should be a requirement that if you vouch that something is safe for the public you must test it out and prove it safe on yourself first.
d0o0o0d
That would be an interesting idea to apply to medical treatments. Kinda think it would bring the rate of progress to a sudden halt.
LarryFine
Go frack yourself.
Skizzlesnap
For everyone downvoting, you can go to Flint Michigan and drink some water bc that was deemed "safe for consumption" by the government.
Janusha
Haha is this actually true ?
Kelroth127
Something can be completely safe and still not something you'd want near your home. An enthusiastic metal band, for example.
TormentedPenguin
WTF.. I LOVE this..
DennyOverlordd
I would love this.
DVSBSTrD
It's not safe though.
HenryDorsettCase
like this? /a/74yLS
WelcomeToGoodBurgerHomeOfTheGoodBurgerCanITakeYourOrder
"Completely safe"
Typhaonic
If done to code it is.
Habbadax
I'm sure they're only minor earthquakes. And minor groundwater contamination. It's all very minor, perfectly safe. Surely
Habbadax
I mean, the oil industry wouldn't LIE to us about something, would they?
SquireRamza
Fracking is not fucking safe you fucking moron
idontenglishsorry
In this case, its not safe, but I get your point
samsonguy920
Here I was just reading how there is pressure to stop dumping of radioactive waste in my state, some of it from fracking. >
Sc00ba5teeve
Where in the fraccing process does the waste originate? Only radioactivity I ever encountered was in the densometers. Genuinely curious.
Nomtombouts
Wait, radioactive waste from fracking?
Nomtombouts
Huh, just read an article about it. You're right.
samsonguy920
Oil spills, too. Shit's scary.
Typhaonic
Nearly everything underground is radioactive. In Colorado "radioactive waste" from drilling can be less active than surface rocks. ...
Typhaonic
...Its just scary talk to make people not like fracking because they don't understand radiation.
Typhaonic
... and downvoted by people who don't understand radiation. lol
gmour53
All drilling (rock, oil, gas, water) has norms. Normally occurring radioactive material. It is just natural rocks with natural radioactive 1
gmour53
Isotopes in it. As well after years of iron drill equipment touching these norms in the ground they get slightly radioactive as well and 2
gmour53
Need disposing of so it does get mixed into the recycles metal supply of the world and ruin it
samsonguy920
> That doesn't sound completely safe to me.
thatsbadmmkay
but if he supports it, he should put up with any consequences of that support.
mineovermatter
So...do u drive a car? Take a bus? Want an oil well, refinery and fuel depot in your back yard? No? Then STFU
CausticCake
If I had oil in my backyard, I would damn well try to extract and refine it
bamcockseverywhere
If I also ran the company that did all those things, then you'd have a stronger case. Wait, this guy ran that company!
AnonOmis1000
Except he isn't, because he wouldn't file a lawsuit against himself. He'd just not do the fracking there.
bamcockseverywhere
"He wouldn't file a lawsuit against himself" ...Have you been paying attention to America's corporate culture and practices at all?
Jomini001
Maybe it's safe but he doesn't want an industrial operation next door, damaging his property values.
HerrFraeulein
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
I'm not an expert. But I've studied the process of horizontal shale fracking, and heard the arguments against. It seems fine and safe really
justanotherdescendingangel
The area i live in has 1000's of fracked wells and ive never heard of a single problem.
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
I guess I got downvoted for having taken a higher level college course on oil collection and refinery rather than my opinion.
justanotherdescendingangel
Never understood why everyone hates on fracking. I live on the Canadian side of the bakken and all our wells are fracked. 10's of thousands
justanotherdescendingangel
And ive never heard of a single case of it fucking up anything.
hoffbox
Neither does anyone else. Also, flaming tap water.
Jomini001
Which is a myth bro.
CrystalToucher
Flaming tap water is not real, they found out people were putting butane in the water lines to make viral videos
hoffbox
Not terribly surprised to learn that's a hoax - still, it's more the impact on health from air and water quality I'm concerned about.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I mean we've had flaming rivers due to pollution. Flaming tap water doesn't seem unlikely. Also source please.
CrystalToucher
This is a pretty solid summary https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2011/03/07/dont-be-swayed-by-faucets-on-fire-and-other-anti-fr
MushroomFiend
No, fracking can cause flammable materials to mix with ground water.
CrystalToucher
It can but never to the extent that water is flammable. I am a geologist
Sc00ba5teeve
Flaming water has nothing to do with fraccing.
DVSBSTrD
"Fracking is fine, as long as it's done far away from me."
thecoolestice
I support wind energy but I'd be pissed if the govt. built one beside my house.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I wouldn't mind I think they look cool.
thecoolestice
They're loud and spoil the view.
MoreAshyThanLarry
Like through an Indian burial ground.
MrMemethief
Exactly
MrMemethief
/s
TheCrazyKoopaTroopa31
At least Mr. Peanutbutter stuck with his views.
Twirlysage
What's your opinion specifically on the matter?
MahouMonkeyPunch
I have an orgasm every time there is a shift in power
balcsida
I see, an another BH fan! How was the 4th season?
whatimdoinghere
depressing
crystaltiger101
Still sobbing. It's fantastic.
ImperialAceX
The expression "Wish I hadn't but Glad I did" comes to mind.
TheCrazyKoopaTroopa31
One of the best. It was satisfying to see bojack finally have a happy ending.
lonelyforsakentorturedheart
I've just watched up till eps 11, sad for PC, sad/angry for Beatrice, all and all i feel i want to end my feelings/life. I'm happy 4 BJ tho.
lonelyforsakentorturedheart
He's trying his absolute best to be better in this season, and I genuinely hope it goes through. (I'm still sobbing) didn't have the
lonelyforsakentorturedheart
Strength to watch the last eps. I need a hug.
balcsida
Sending_hug.gif
TormentedPenguin
The lawsuit contends the project would create "a noise nuisance and traffic hazards." safe and annoying are too different things.
ThatIsHowIFoundIt
All these comments are bought and paid for
Munchman347
His company is a huge Fracker, when would he ever say fracking near his home is dangerous and wildly unsafe?...
Stewker
But, but, that doesn't match up with the narrative they are trying to push!
wyatt8740
two*?
Q269
100 acres is 52,800 feet square. The perimeter will likely have trees, so the noise is unlikely to actually be annoying.
Q269
My house sits on a 60x100 property as a comparison
PiffTheMagicDildo
But that wouldn't help OPs attempt to make it seem the CEO is a hypocrite
735824
And you're the same old kind of money driven asshole. I pity you, you pathetic fuck.
eclect0
Man, I hate when I reply to the wrong comment.
ThermoNuke
justtwobrothers
That escalated quickly
TormentedPenguin
yeah.. money driven..'m not going to make up lies to drive an agenda.. at least have some integrity, you fuck nugget.
DVSBSTrD
Traffic hazards aren't safe.
TormentedPenguin
neither is breathing..
nforsComputerSmuggler
It's a traffic hazard as in there will now be traffic of people going to work on the small country roads near his house
DVSBSTrD
Almost as if fracking has negative consequences that outweigh the benefits.
JohnSmithterms
It sounds like you actually believe that bullshit. Do you believe fracking is safe? Are you happy to allow fracking near your water table?
supersomatic
See, this shit confuses me. Imgur as a collective is dumb enough to vote OP to front page, but then this comment is top upvoted too??
javer80
People are motivated by more than agreement and disagreement, us vs. them.
SoberAndBored
Well he's hardly going to say "because it might fuck up my groundwater" now is he?
MADhouse64
Exactly!
Bert95
Fracking is not 100% safe you guys need to learn more about it as should I.
ThermoNuke
I can tel you more people died from goats last year than from fracking.
Dogexf
Nothing is 100% safe.
softballguy
That doesn't make all things equally unsafe.
conkles
Never underestimate NIMBY. Geophysical engineer by training, here. Fracking is safe. Noise is annoying. That's the gist of it.
Letsleepnotphaseme
Explain the increased seismic activity in Oklahoma and if they knew the consequences? Also how do you inactivated a fault?
conkles
Oh that's the one definite side effect. When you lubricate a fault it will slip. That just happens when you do it too enthusiastically. 1/2
conkles
2/2 it also happened in Denver with the injection of the Rocky Mountain arsenal project. One of the first recorded cases.
conkles
3/2 it's VERY small quakes in the scope of things, but it happens in places without quake building codes, causing damage.
stusauce
Just as too and two are different ;-)
UNRAVELINGTHEWORLD
Know their knot.
Alistairetheblu
twoché
TormentedPenguin
I just caught that.. well.. I've gone two far :P
ZerixTheArcticFox
I salute you
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Beeseik
Although too can still make sense here.
FelixTheCAT5e
Uhhhh.......
TormentedPenguin
nah.. i screwed the pooch..
BeepBoopDeepDerp
Worked at a state oil regulator, just like any dangerous private sector activity, it's safe with adequate regulations and enforcement.
BeepBoopDeepDerp
Which places it clearly on the government's table. To treat all fracking the same is to make a silly logical error.
Letsleepnotphaseme
So who over sees the long term maintaince of a well after its expired? And what specific chemicals are used to break down the rocks?
BeepBoopDeepDerp
Also please note the statement I wrote is not implying that we have such regulation in each locality, only that such regulation exists.
Sc00ba5teeve
What? No chemicals are used to break down the rock. Hydraulic pressure breaks open the rock. Sand keeps it open. Oil flows through sand.
BeepBoopDeepDerp
This is all up to the EPA, then the regulator of your state, then the company itself. That's always the order.
BeepBoopDeepDerp
Since a company follows a profit maximization scheme by definition, only enforcement and penalties (govt) will factor in to their decisions.
BeepBoopDeepDerp
A govt sets these policies in an attempt to maximize the utility (private and public) of a resource. Banning access is not optimal.
ThermoNuke
Wells are plugged, capped, cemented when they "expire". Fracking doesn't "break down rock". That's not what a fracture is.
ThermoNuke
Water under pressure expands fractures in the rock making the cracks bigger. Sand is used to prop it open so the crack remains.
ThermoNuke
Fracking is literally 99% mechanical energy, 1% chemistry.
Janusha
Oh so youre telling me the actual fracking is just fine then ? Its the dirtiest, lowest quality oil you can get and its environmentally shit
TormentedPenguin
never said it was fine. Just pointing out the lawsuit wasn't because it was unsafe (like the statement implied)
Tinkrr
It's the same reason people oppose having wind turbines built near their property.
MADhouse64
No it's not.
Tinkrr
Is too, na-na-nee-nana
MADhouse64
Nah uhh. No tag backs.
Tinkrr
1, 2, 3, I declare you're wrong, I'm right, and 4, 5, 6 I seal it in place. Can't triple stamp this double stamp. I win.
DoctorEleven
Nobody else wants the noise nuisance and traffic hazards near their place either, he's not special.
Munchman347
But his company will sue the shit out of anyone who tries to block fracking near their homes...
Sc00ba5teeve
Fraccing sites are loud AF, just the deck motors of the pumping equipment alone are unreal let alone the pumps thenselves, blenders, etc.
DoctorEleven
I know, I wasn't doubting it. Just stating that he's no different so he shouldn't get special treatment in regards to location of fracking.
Sc00ba5teeve
It's pretty common for fraccing sites to be kept far away from residences. He's not asking for special treatment, just normal treatment.
ThermoNuke
Hi, I've worked frac for a long time. 100% he doesn't want the noise and road dust near his property. We generate a lot of traffic.
JohnSmithterms
What are your thoughts on the "Gasland Documentary" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp4ELXKv-w
ThermoNuke
That it was chocked full of inaccuracies. Take the "flaming faucet", a study done way back 1976 found high levels of naturally occurring
ThermoNuke
methane in the water supply, prior to any oil and gas activity. When the maker of Gasland was called out on why these facts were left out
ThermoNuke
he stated "because they were not relevant". There's even a video of it out there.
MerToo
And I work rig-safety and can confirm ThermoNuke is correct. Caveat: if your country has weak environmental law, may not always be the case.
yoozernaiym
Source says "He joins suit to stop construction of a water tower near his home to be used for fracking."
ThermoNuke
They are probably referring to an AST. Basically a big, temporary, artificial pond/tank to hole fresh water. Not an actual "tower"
akidnick
And alot of earthquakes in oklahoma
ThermoNuke
Not like it was. Now that we understand what causes them (injection wells) they have been on the decrease at we shut those wells down
akidnick
Alright well that's some good news!
ThermoNuke
I'll add also, we pay a lot of money to treat the roads we're working by with dust control to try to take care of the people around us.
ThermoNuke
We even hired some guys to re-stain someone's deck after our traffic dusted it while it was still wet. We're not evil like many think.
borgmaster
But who will I take the pitchforks to now? Were fresh out of witches and the dark ones arent due back for another month.
AnonOmis1000
Well I don't think most people think you, the workers, are evil, just that the big corporations are. I'm not saying they are to be clear.
Renza0
The workers are probably normal and generally decent people. The results of the job itself just have rather disastrous side effects.
DangerTrain
He's fine with introducing that noise nuisance and traffic hazard to others, though.
RenegadeTQ
https://media.giphy.com/media/wMY3LjQQMqo5W/giphy.gif
GrunticusrulerofRelmz
Two*
areyounotintertained
And also "Safe" has many meanings and aspects! Noise safety, water safety, environmental safety, air pollution safety... etc....!
Renza0
Quite possibly legit concerns. If that's enough for a lawsuit, no reason to publicly acknowledge poisoning the entire area too though.
TormentedPenguin
I was pointing out that he never implied the fracking was unsafe as the statement implied he did.
Letsleepnotphaseme
Source?
TormentedPenguin
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/22/exxon-mobil-tillerson-ceo-fracking/5726603/
Dionysus187
True, but also fracking isn't safe and probably doesn't want flammable gas coming through his faucet.
AverageEverydayPeasant
Just so happens that Fracking is both unsafe and annoying.
gcapi13
But traffic hazards aren't safe. That's what a hazard is.
TormentedPenguin
The hazard isn't from Fracking as this implies, but from an increase in traffic.. which is hazardous anywhere. Lego.. that shit is unsafe!
bamcockseverywhere
Wow it's almost like fracking takes industrial levels of truck traffic and puts it on rural roads and that's a problem with fracking
thdudedude
He isnt the first person with money that doesnt want something built near his home. Shit happens all the time.
d0o0o0d
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97849
diehardlance
My old city had all the old rich people up in arms about a Walmart being built near them
Kroesus
NIMBY
Kovahjin
BANANA- Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone
Kroesus
+1
JayEnfield
You'd think that with the push to carbon-neutrality, we'd be embracing the shit out of new nuke tech. But no. :(
thdudedude
Thats pretty much everyone in his situation. The reason we have HoAs. And you hear about people protesting walmarts being built next to
thdudedude
their neighborhoods. This is neither new or unique.
Kroesus
No, but it is the name for it.