OP get pay back, and payback!

Dec 24, 2014 2:21 PM

I kissed the money goodbye, and it took me years to crawl out of debt and get myself back on my feet, let alone be on top again. Now I have my own home, savings, and a surplus amount of money to buy cool shit without having to worry about whether it's a waste. Not bragging or anything, but it's nice to no longer have to ask 'should I buy food, or pay electricity bill?' and now be able to ask 'should I buy this sweet Link and Epona statue, for reasons, or this new Master Replica lightsaber, for also reasons?'

She contacts me about six months ago, wanting to 'reconnect.' She says she's matured, and realised her mistakes with me, and wanted to see if I'd reconsider being her friend - or more - once again.

I asked around with some mutual acquaintances, and it turns out she hasn't changed at all. She's still a bitch, still pretending to be pregnant to keep people around, still switching boyfriends more regularly than underwear. I got a mutual friend to ask around for me, and found out her parents, boyfriend, and all her friends had wisened up to her shit and wouldn't take her in, so she was sleeping in a dirty, cheap motel while all her stuff sat getting stolen and destroyed by weather on the side of a road somewhere.

Apparently she decided that since she pulled one over me when I was younger, she could do it again, and confided in our mutual friend that she figured she'd hit me up, flirt a bit, show me her tits, and I'd fall for it.

She said she'd 'do anything' to prove she'd changed. I asked if she'd pay back the $15,000 she owed. She said she'd try, and a few weeks later, she pays me back. Said she had to get a personal loan to get the money, but she paid it to me. Every last cent.

After she paid, she sent me a message to say she had done so, and if I'd reconsider our relationship and maybe let her move in. I sent her a fake auto email back saying that I was working remotely without internet or phone access, and would have very sporadic access to emails (if at all) and would get back to her ASAP. I sent the same thing every time she emailed me. I waited a few months to make sure the money was legit (I don't know what I was expecting - mob hit or something?).

After a few months, I sent her the following email: "Hi OP's Ex, thanks for finally paying me back. I'm onto your tricks - you know OP's Mutual Friend? She told me your plans. Anyway, I reconsidered your request for renewing our friendship, and regret to inform you that the answer is fuck off and never contact me again. No love, OP." I flagged her email as spam, and never heard from her again.

I still can't work out how getting a loan and paying me back so that I'd let her live with me for free would somehow be valuable to her. Unless she heard I was doing pretty well and thought she could rob me or something?

Either way, now I got $15,000 of pure spendin' money!

tl;dr: ex owes OP money, crawls back 8 years later for a free place to live, offers to pay back OP. OP takes money and blocks her.

EDIT: To answer some questions:
1) Being a douche/prick/vindictive: No. She lied to me, cheated on me, left me down $15,000, forced me into debt, and when I kicked her out, she pretended she was pregnant to make me take her back in. She got what she deserved.

2) How does a destitute girl get $15,000? She got a personal loan from a bank or loan provider. She was in a motel because she was kicked out of home, and her stuff was on the street because she can't move it all into a motel. Obviously, despite her situation, she had the collateral to get a loan.

3) INVEST! Yes, I'll be investing it all. Well, most. $10,000 will be going into a high interest savings account. $5,000 is gonna go on some stuff I want for photography.

4) Things that didn't happen/ENJOY YOUR INTERNET POINTS BRUH: Okay, look, I get it - it's fun to assume that people are putting things on the internet for the points. This is what society craves these days - validation from upvotes, likes, shares. I, like most people, enjoy the validation of positive commentary. But here's the thing: I'm not the same generation as most people on Imgur. I'm 30, and don't see internet points as any kind of validation. I get my high from producing art in my photography and getting actual comments from that. One photo getting 200 likes means less to me than one photo getting a handful of nice comments.

Sounds like you willing signed up for most of the money she 'owed' you. If you chose to pay for school and rent that's on you.

11 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

You shouldn't pay for someone's schooling unless they are your child...

11 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 2

i'm pretending that this actually happened and it makes me think that OP and his ex need to learn how to not be shitty people.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Logged in to down vote

11 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Sans mutual friend, there are no good people in this likely fake, shit smear of a story.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

It's okay to destroy a monster but don't become the monster yourself...

11 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 2

Yeah, that goes hand in hand with "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Ok, well... I'm gonna say it, OPs the asshole.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I doubt this happened, but if it did - guess what OP? You're as bad as her

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If she's so bad off, getting a loan to pay you back doesn't seem like such a smart move.

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Such a nice christmas post. I like the part where the homeless chic gets scammed out of $15K :D

11 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 2

Can you really call collecting debt a "scam"?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 10

If one implies a benefit from the exchange of $, and does not deliver, I'd call that a scam. Not fraud, but a scam. Have an Xmas upvote.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

You could say that not repaying the debt is a form of a scam as well, then. Have a christmas upvote too!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

why would someone get 15k together and not just use it to get a place to live?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

but GGG for a lie?

11 years ago | Likes 88 Dislikes 6

Technically, he did reconsider. He just didn't agree after the reconsideration.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

My thoughts :D

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Well he did reconsider...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

She is already living in her consequences of her life, all you have done is cut her down further.

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

Lololol. Are you seriously trying to make this post happen? Cause it didn't happen.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Eh. This story is just neutral. Nothing exciting.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

BEIGE ALERT BEIGE ALERT

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dude. No. The world has enough suffering in it. Don't be proud of adding more to it.

11 years ago | Likes 117 Dislikes 12

I wish I had more upvotes for this. Vindictiveness gets you nowhere.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

I dunno, it apparently netted him 15K. It's not nice but it doesn't seem ineffective if this is a true story.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

I meant spiritually/not being a douchebag kind of way. Doing bad things just makes you a bad person, whether its revenge or not.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's what I thought, I mean good for him for getting back on his feet, but don't kick someone in the face if they're on the ground.

11 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

Should be top comment

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 5

This comment needs more upvotes.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

First of all, this is fake, nobody loans a homeless person $15k. Second, lying is a dick move, even if she deserved it. Be better than that.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I'..I'm OK with this...

11 years ago | Likes 192 Dislikes 28

I'

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Lol yeah she's probably on the streets now, and he has more money that he admits to not needing, serves her right. Good thing winter is cold

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

I want to be OK with this, but it sounds too much like taking 15K from an effectively homeless person under false pretenses.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Naming the source of your info was probably a dick move to the informant.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Congratulations and all. You basically fucked her over. She's probably super fucking depressed now.

11 years ago | Likes 120 Dislikes 42

U act like he stole from her and left her to rot or something, he saw a way to get his money back from an untrustworthy person and took it

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

NICE

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

She deserved it

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

I have no sympathy for people that manipulate and manipulate until it bites them back in the ass.

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 6

comeuppance.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Horray!

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I concur, why would you feel compelled to destroy rather than rehabilitate

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

I'm rather in agreement. I mean, she might change on her own, but why not help her out and make her a better person.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

FDB

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So what? She owed him money. He got the money back. She intended to use him, and he stopped her. This is a case of Just Desserts.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Sometimes people need to be fucked over and depressed to grow in maturity

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

I uh... I have to disagree with everyone here... I mean getting a loan for 15k when you're already in the shit. Op may have *

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 4

OP didn't do shit. She did that to herself.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

* helped ruin someone's life forever... and forever may not be that long for her...

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

Is this your first lesson in karma?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 5

Quite not, I have a similar story about myself and my parents. Fuck them.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

I'm sorry but getting a loan of $15k even from a shotty pawn shop would require some significant collateral which doesn't sound like she had

11 years ago | Likes 251 Dislikes 5

Gonna have to call the mythbusters on this one.

11 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 0

Native american-based loan companies might do it. They are basically unregulated and charge unholy interest rates.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

86.99%

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That $15k will end up being $150k.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I call shenanigans

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 1

You can't Good Guy Greg yourself.

11 years ago | Likes 924 Dislikes 25

He sure as shit just did hahahaha.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

Agreed, but he slides by this time imo.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Sure you can

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 9

You must be good at herding cats.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's not a very good guy move

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

The man got his $15k back after 8byears .. He can do whatever he wants.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

the meme police disagrees

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

This guy can...

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

I agree. This isn't a good thing. The good thing would be to forgive the debt, especially considering her current circumstances.

11 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 4

Her circumstance of having 15k to spend? I want that circumstance!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

She drove herself to that point and wouldn't learn otherwise. Seen plenty like this chick

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

But also set the tone and say you never want to hear from her again

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Agreed.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'd agree with you if it was like, $400. But $15k? No fucking way.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You are a year behind ;)

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think he just did.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 6

I'd say he deserves it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'm pretty sure every GGG is someone posting about themselves.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wasn't even a proper good guy. More like common sense guy.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

It seems a bit like kicking someone while they're down...

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 5

Agree.... OP doesn't even need the money anymore. Scumbag Steve

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

You don't bring a rabid dog into your house knowing very well that it's gonna fuck you up, irrespective of how humane it might be.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Your metaphor might be extended too far, because I don't follow. I don't think op shoulda taken her in, but 15000 in debt is a lot...

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Its the exact amount she left him in debt.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

fuck bitches that try to make amends

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Eye for an eye, then?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Since when was this okay? Just because shes a BAD person doesn't mean she's not a person. You guys are starting scare me, this is tumblr BS.

11 years ago | Likes 125 Dislikes 37

That's exactly what this is. Bullshit. It never happened.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

This is the "Make her spend a lot of money on a very expensive restaurant because she didn't show up for the other date" post all over again

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

She owed him money. He got the money back. The way he did so was spiteful, but she intended to use him anyway. This is fair.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

She just paid back the money she owed him, what's wrong with that?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm with you. I feel like the right thing to do would be to just move on instead of seeking revenge. Maybe I'm just weird.

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

He didnt really seek revenge. He wanted his money back. Revenge was just a bonus.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

If you were owed $15,000 and the debtor offered to pay you even if it fucked them over, you'd take it.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

It sounds like it was his idea to bring up the money, not hers. I would feel bad doing what this guy did, that's all.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

"If it fucked them over"? No, I probably wouldn't.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You wouldn;'t let someone who wronged you inconvenience themselves to get what you'd owe? I really doubt most people would

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"inconvenience themselves" is probably an euphemism here. It's not the same as "fuck them over". The woman got 15k dollars just like (1)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Revenge? He was owed money. A significant amount of money. This is just business.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

May I ask what part you are referencing in particular? I honestly see no wrong even if this probably never happened.

11 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 5

for me the worst part is the behavior after getting the money back. it feels like visiting your grandparents for the money you get.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 5

Back when they were living together, was there an agreement that she'd pay half the rent? And the entire set-up was based on the word of 1/x

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

a single "mutual friend"? Even if it was all correct information, this sounds like a scam. "Pay me back $15k and I'll take you back"

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Getting somebody to repay their debts is not ok? Since when?

11 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 6

But was it loaned or gifted money? If it was gifted, changing it to a loan, even if she is a terrible person, is a dick move.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, she's already in a rough spot. Seems like kicking someone when they're down.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

A rough spot she got into because she's a terrible person.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He didn't seek her out and force her. She offered and agreed on the basis of him "considering" renewing a friendship.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

What are you buying me for Christmas OP?

11 years ago | Likes 160 Dislikes 10

I would like one Chipotle burrito... with guac. Just one. No more, no less.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I'd like a pair of winter boots, please.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would like one art please.

11 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 1

well not sure if you would think of it as art, but im good at stopmotion, and feel like procrastinating, Ill make you a 10 sec video free :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I prefer to make lego stopmotions, but I can use anything, Ill add sound for you also

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

http://imgur.com/heONzro I call it: Art #2

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Mmm... good...

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I'm a professional art appraiser and I'd say that's worth, with tax and shipping, $15001.01

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What about minus tax and shipping?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

$1499.95 cheap tax and free shipping with amazon prime.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

$13.07.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'd love a tactical flash light. I'm moving up to Alaska to be a cop soon and I need one! Please OP!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hell I'll take a ps4.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm with you, OP. But there are two sides to every story. Yours sounds a bit braggy.

11 years ago | Likes 159 Dislikes 15

I call bullshit and down vote this post.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Of course it's braggy, dude got the (figurative) shit beat out of him, and dragged himself back up AND got revenge on the person responsible

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 7

I refer to all these posts as 'lightly-seasoned stories' because I take them with a grain of salt.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

That's... like... hardly any salt. You want at least 500 grains.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

1. If the story is true (big if because internet), then he ought to be braggy: he got the money he was owed and never expected to see

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 5

2. again, all while fairly spiting somone who intended to use him.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

Except she didn't use him. They are on even grounds after she paid him back.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

"INTENDED to use him." If OP is to be believed, then the ex was plotting to use him, and he preemptively shut her down.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ah, but she was going to. I don't feel bad when pieces of shit get what they deserve.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

She didn't use him because he didn't let her the second time. She had every intention to, it seems

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Don't allow yourself to get used the second time...pretty hard to rack up 15k without noticing.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Probably really excited. I would be too if I got $15,000 and gave my ex the boot.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

I'm wondering how she "owed" it. If it was a straight loan OK; but if OP chose to pay her studies and rent, he shouldn't ask for it back now

11 years ago | Likes 184 Dislikes 15

Especially if it wasn't even the reason he broke up with her. If she hadn't cheated, he would have given more. Sounds shady to me.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

cosigning this bs

11 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 3

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11 years ago (deleted Sep 19, 2015 9:55 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

If you gift people things, you don't get to tell them later they owe you for it. Real dick move. Even if she is a Scumbag Stacey.

11 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

If it was a gift, shouldn't be owed. If he said "I'll pay for school for now, you pay me back" that's different. Even if they are in a rship

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Is it just me or is OP the bigger manipulative asshole in this story?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

This. If someone pays for things over the course of a relationship I don't consider that "on loan" until the end of relationship.

11 years ago | Likes 59 Dislikes 1

In my case my ex had lost his job so I was supporting him, he had told me he was going to marry me etc, and said once he got his settlement

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

he'd straight out give me back my 10k inheritance I used to pay for some of his legal shit. Instead, he got his money and fled the country.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

When I asked him if he could help pay all the bills/debts he left me with, his response was "I don't owe you anything". There are jerks..

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I should point out, at the time I trusted him, 4 years was long, and I didn't mind at all as I knew money was coming in for "us".

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Invest OP! 15k of savings man! That could be like 15,001 Tomorrow!

11 years ago | Likes 784 Dislikes 16

Shit dude, apply for a housing loan with that ish and buy a rental property.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

WHOA, let's not go talkin crazy things now!

11 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Trust me, my Name is Jordan Belfort and I work for Stratton Oakmount, and I can guarantee that your only mistake will be not investing more.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

How could I lose!?

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

You can't, so how about I sign you up for 20,000 shares

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Aaaand...its gone.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

that will make a nice inflation-adjusted amount of 14,580

11 years ago | Likes 137 Dislikes 0

awwww ye, makin' bank

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Better off investing in an index fund.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Holy shit, I made this comment on Christmas 3 years ago. why are you answering me?! (btw, I'm knee deep in ETFs ;) )

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm pretty sure your math is off, unless you're in Russia

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuu

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Savings, lol.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The real question is: 5000 $3 hookerbots or 150 $100 hookerbots?

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I made 23 cents in interest last year. WHADDUPPP!!!

11 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

how much was invested?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've made $61 interest in about 3 months... I'd talk to your financial advisor if that's all you got, mate.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Ummm. Sir, you might have a problem if you invest and only made 23 cents. Just savings should get you more than that.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

With how much principle? If you've got savings of any significance you should've made a lot more than that - it was a good year for stocks.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

M-m-m-mutual fund!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

World Growth Fund bitchessss!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No one becomes wealthy from investing in mutual funds...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

My IRA has grown 12% this year. Find anything else you can invest in that can reliably earn that...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How'd your IRA do in 2008, 2009, 2010? Listen 90% of the population throws all their savings into a 401k, and retires comfortably on it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Its the safest investment with almost guaranteed long term growth.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are you kidding? Mutual funds are safe and have a good rate of return. You are simply wrong.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then why isn't everyone wealthy? I can't just invent into my 401k and retire wealthy. Well off? Sure...but not wealthy.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

When did I say they would get you rich? You invest a 401k in a mutual fund so it can make money for you when you are retired...

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

AAAND ITs gone

11 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 1

Your references are out of control man.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

You seem worse than her

11 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 22

I wouldn't say worse than her, but what he did is definitely wrong too. That is, if this whole situation is real. It doesn't look realistic.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He didn't force her to do anything... How is he wrong for her life decisions?

11 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 7

If you are going by that logic, she didn't force him to lend her money in the first place, so by your logic, she didn't no anything bad

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

If you justify what he did with "he didn't force her" then at the same time you are also justifying what she did, which was just as bad.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

He did take advantage of her. Yes to get back at her. But its still damn low.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 7

It was to get back the money he was owed, not out of spite

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

But it sounds like he gifted the money with no agreement it was a loan. She's a Scumbag Stacey, but he's being a dick.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

riiiight

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

I guess he must be at least a bit proud to post this. Or lying

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0