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this was where John McCain (R- Arizona) Made his big speech about civility- he voted yes to move the bill to floor debate.
By voting- and failing the vote- the GOP likely cannot attempt another budget reconciliation attempt to remove obama care (budget reconciliation requires a simple majority as opposed to 60 votes)
joeee808
Haahaa fuck yeah. GOP was dead the moment trump won the primaries. They are just extending the inevitable by tripling down.
hansolongdingdongtralala
Eerrr.. I am not from the US. A bit lost here
blackholevoid10011
No one person is in charge of the rule making. Basically an unpopular rule wasn't passed. This is the process.
TheGamingBaconator
Implying that us Americans aren't just as confused. Only it's painful confusion cause this is where we live, dammit...
dnd3edm1
Dude, if you haven't paid attention from the beginning, you're better off not knowing. Seriously, just walk away.
mrmartini
Imagine if healthcare in your country worked like an expensive cellphone contract that cost 1/5th your income instead of a public service. >
mrmartini
Now imagine the controlling political party wanted to make it more difficult for low income & the elderly to afford it.
newsguycraigevans
The American "conservative" party tried to help the rich get richer. They failed. But they'll be back!
mrmartini
What they're proposing is the opposite of fiscal conservatism. Single payer is cheaper by far.
Imalwaysready
We're slowly being turned into a dumpster fire of a banana republic, politically speaking.
Alvatore
But the electoral college is super-important! We NEED it! /s
Imalwaysready
I actually rather like it, though maybe with some modifications.
pacmanrockshok
Republicans wanted to scrap Obama-era healthcare and offer no replacement for the time being. It didn't work out.
CrazyCatLad
Mind you, they've been trying to do this before it was even a law and haven't helped one fucking bit useless cucks. Pardon the language.
ITalkAboutGoats
Chuck is an awful word and only signifies the user's low intelligence. Pity, because I agree with you.
ITalkAboutGoats
*Cuck
Imalwaysready
They've been running on overturning this 2010 Obama-led healthcare legislation for seven years, yet NEVER offered up their replacement ver.
CrazyCatLad
In all fairness, they did recently after working on it in secret. And it sucked as expected.
Imalwaysready
That is fair.
shedooooooooo
"Let's leave millions uninsured without a plan or explanation! That'll work, right?"
Denturedog
Quit being poor!!! What's the issue
StreaksOnTheChinaNeverMatteredBefore
Cadaverific
Someone link thw Frozone one
Leaveittojebus
DaPuddinMan
"In American"
Steel723
SledgeHacker
My drunk ass first thought that they were rubbing Joe's bald
Motormand
As a Dane, I respected Obama, and think he did well with the bad situation he started with. Perfectly? Heavens no, but he did a good deal.
Motormand
As for the angry cheeto with the scarecrow rug... There is nothing to respect or like there, and he makes every country happy he's not their
Motormand
Leader. Good luck USA, and brace for impact. This disaster train is not gonna slow down before it runs into the abyss.
Stratego89
When you want to abandon ship but someone has informed you you're actually on a train.
BeendrinkingComebacklater
you can abandon ship at anytime you wont be missed
Motormand
Well said.
LyraTheLycan
He seemed to have been the only US president that really recognised that he could do whatever he wanted. Including skating onto stage.
Ashpond
O_o
izeekio
It's fake though lmao
Notyourhomie
Damn good fake tho
izeekio
true
EyeOfTheTiger11706
RhinosRfatUnicorns
Rich turkeynecks who get free comprehensive healthcare for life, voting on what kind of healthcare they'll let us have.
DougForcett
The frown faces at the end. I literally am falling out of my chair over here. That's awesome.
Tolero
TLDR, but I do like these dnd themed memes so I'll updoot for that.
Shayrad
Look if they can find something better then go for it otherwise don't break a semi operational fix
dnd3edm1
Ultimately they can't find something better, because the ACA is as good as it gets given we don't move to single payer.
Hybris51129
This is where I'm at as much as ACA has hurt me just ripping it out without a solution is stupid and unrealistic.
malachitedragon
Which is why that's exactly what they want to do
BlasphemousPigeon
This shit is so spot on... I bet McConnell is sitting in his glad house grimacing over good meal of cabbage right now. Fucking turtle.
NathanielBanks
I've always seen him as Droopy Dog.
CrazyCatLad
I cannot fucking stand him.
JonesyBones
Let's perhaps also remember that there were two female senators (Murkowski, Collins) who were pretty crucial to the way this played out...
MarvaNipp
RandomStranger55
Also Mazie Hirono, who despite having stage 4 cancer dragged her ass out to vote against this shit and is getting like none of the praise.
ninjzaness
Yes, let's applaud them! And they have consistently voted against the repeal every time rather than blindly voting with party
MBumBum
Would the proposal have passed if he had voted yes?
Habreon
yes, because then Pence would have cast the deciding vote
TheRotundOne
I love this except there was nothing arbitrary about that threat. Trump ordered him to
MurtBaclinBFI
BarnibusSwarleyStinson
Stopwritingthatdown
.
Showhermyoface
We need to applaud McCain - He came back to vote "yes on a floor discussion, and then voted "No" on what was trying to be pushed through 1/2
Showhermyoface
Basically saying - Let's work together and figure out how to fix this vs partisan BS
newsguycraigevans
I'd say thank the Dem senators that opposed this nonsense and were pissed about being left out from the beginning.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
As a progressive i thought the left was pretty harsh on him for voting and i was very happy to hear he voted no.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
To clarify, some on the left thought his yes vote was wrong and were all harsh on him for it.
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Showhermyoface
You get no where if all you do is shoot down other's proposals. Constructive discussion is what is needed.
Alvatore
Constructive discussion? From OUR government? That- that's completely unamerican of you!
ninjzaness
I will not. I will applaud the Murkowski and Collins who consistently voted for their constituents over party.
slowlybecomingacrazycatlady
Thank you! This!
MarvaNipp
+1
ninjzaness
Truth ????
Remainder
Much respect for the man, I think he actually gives a shit about the US. I lean reasonably far left but would have voted him over Hillary.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I would have too, without a second thought. I was considering him over Obama until the Tea party got their hands on him and inserted Palin
Meowskimeowmeow
A differing opinion I heard was that he did it for attention, which would also work considering everything he did.
isaaclw
I'm getting whiplash about McCain. What do you want me to think IMGUR?!
Callistan
He's a bit of a polarizing figure. I think you should do your own research on him and then decide for yourself :-D
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I disagree with his politics for the most part, but he has always seemed to me to behave with integrity, and in the interest of the people.
taytay63
TheCrazyKoopaTroopa31
so satisfying to see that fucker McConnell cry
thadukes
as an outsider looking in, why? shouldn't everyone have access to healthcare? or is this a case of i ain't paying for someone else?
DarkBluePhoenix
It's "my insurance has gone up to cover for everyone else" or "I don't want insurance, but I'm forced to have it so i don't get taxed"
5po0ky
Yet no one whines that they must buy Auto or Home insurance. No one yelling these "safe drivers" are paying to repair the cars of "bad ones"
5po0ky
It's understood you never know when you might get into an accident, many times from no fault of your own, and need the coverage it provides
DarkBluePhoenix
No one has to buy home or renter's insurance unless you have a mortgage, once the mortgage is gone you don't need it anymore 1/2
5po0ky
By that logic, everyone should have health insurance, which should be required by law. Kind of like how you get fined for not having it
DarkBluePhoenix
As for car insurance, the good drivers have lower rates, because car insurance is set up to punish those who drive recklessly 2/3
DarkBluePhoenix
Health insurance is the opposite, healthy pay for the sick/poor and it undercuts what little middle class we have left in this country 3/3
5po0ky
Also punishes ppl who get into accidents thru no fault of their own. Free market only has also given us the shittiest Auto insurance ever,
WillowKidd
Mostly, yes. Also it's scary socialism, which is communism, which is nazi and they're bad! I don't get why we can't get behind it honestly
5po0ky
No, Communism is Russian & Russia is bad, except when it comes to election meddling & collusion, then it's okay as long as it's a Republican
RonMimnaugh
Nothing like the smell of failure in the morning
newsguycraigevans
Tilted9000
Probably should shower.... I'll let my self out..
ThatSquirrelInTheCorner
Please do. You're stinking up the whole place.
Chuckd53k1
Yeah, as Premiums skyrocket....thanks Obama!!
RonMimnaugh
repealing won't change that. My insurance has gone up every year before and since. The don't want to fix that or it would have been fixed
Chuckd53k1
True,but before Obama care, it was affordable
newsguycraigevans
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Average yearly rate increases pre-ACA were 8-10%. Post-ACA they're around 5%. Do some people's rates increase more? Yes. But most don't.
RonMimnaugh
There were policies out there that people were paying for that covered next to nothing and had high deductibles. Those are gone now
RonMimnaugh
I don't remember insurance ever being affordable
dwig102
This is my favorite presentation of news.
xXOdessaXx
Mine as well. Obama's picture at the end seriously had me laughing loudly (at work).
TinySatanicHamster
I don't entirely agree with Obamacare but repealing it without a replacement is just fucking stupid.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Honestly Obamacare is a Republican dream and the only reason they rebelled against it was the name. Many Democrats would willingly work with
Corona688
ROFLAMO. They shut down the government how long to stop it from happening? They howled for how many years?
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Republicans to make it better but that hasn't been an option.
pancreas
I heard the opposite. Wasn't it that wealthier people pay more so that other people can get it for free? And didnt it suck for middle class?
5po0ky
Yes, wealthy pay a small increase to subsidies even the cost for ppl that make too much for Medicaid, but couldn't afford it otherwise. They
5po0ky
are Americans who work, aren't lazy or entitled, but just don't make enough at the end of the day to afford it. That tax allowed us to get 9
5po0ky
Out of 10 Americans covered for the first time, which is a huge step forward and relieves the healthCARE industry of a heavy burden. Costs
SirFormidio
'I roll for initiative. I vote 'no.'' Christ that got me good.
thiscannotpossiblygowrong
A meme that's actually a pretty good summary of this whole batshit crazy process that happened
aPokal
Leave it to game mechanics to simplify live to understandably.
TheOleRazlDazl
TyDugganWrites
IDidntWantToDoThis
But Murkowski was already a no vote on this, that is why the asshole threatened no Alaskan appointees in the first place.
MealeaYing
Its surprisingly helpful especially considering how little I know about D&D.
induren
One day a Russian pee tape may come out and no one will care about any of this.
mexxed
Underrated comment.
ImFunnierThanYallGiveMeCreditFor
Almost as bad as when Reps tried to repeal it 60+ times under Obama, knowing he would veto it
Axewhipe
Whats crazy about this is the replacement bill had like 18% Approval rating w people and they were still short by just McCains vote
Namotatop
But the idea is stolen? Art is dead.
AgentKGB
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/890815543258865664/video/1
rgzdev
Honestly this doesn't work for me, the joke drags on for too long and the punchline is known in advance. They are killing this meme dead.
WannieTheSane
This was a fun way to learn a lesson. Like how I learned what a marsupial was from Growing Pains.
TheDroidLukeAlmostBought
i actually really appreciate this and would prefer all political situations be explained like this.
Fooby
particularly the denouement
Yami2Greed
That last pic of Obama, I spat food out I laughed so hard
SoupCanMan
It's bizarro scary how much the R party and Trump could accomplish if Trump would shut up. But at the same time, Trump is a lose cannon.
EnterTheMongoose
"accomplish"
SayWhatYouMeanMeanWhatYouSay
I know you meant loose but man that autocorrect to "lose canon" for Trump feels incredibly accurate/
TrueNorthernLights
I wonder when their winning starts? That they would get tired of?
MealeaYing
In his case just about everything is both lose and loose. And seriously gross.
ChevroletMovieTheater
The fact that such incompetent people are elected and hold their job while being criticized by the public is proof we need political reform.
Flyndaran
We need the critical public to FUCKING VOTE! We get the "leaders" we elect.
worthyone
... I'm not sure if that was a typo, or just a declaration of fact.
jaminjimmyjames
Yeah, if it was some milk toast Romney clone as POTUS, this would have been less rocky. Then again that guy might not have motivated 1/2
IveBeenSlackingMyWholeLife
please tell me you know it's spelled "milquetoast"
jaminjimmyjames
The republican voter base in some of the congressional districts that went red last year. Who know? 2/2
WannieTheSane
It doesn't really matter, but just fyi, it's milquetoast, not milk toast. It was coined after a wimpy cartoon character from the '20s.
jaminjimmyjames
I knew it was wrong, but couldn't, for the life of me, remember the correct spelling. Thanks
CyberAkuma
And yet he hasn't turned in his badge or gun yet...
Ronelyn
Murrow ski and Collins are the MVPs here who've been pulling against since pretty much day one. McCain has been Jekyll and Hyde.
nasreal
I think perhaps McCain's current health situation has probably altered his perspective at least slightly.
SoupCanMan
Jekyll and Hide is known as 2 faced. He is like Lesie Nielsen, accidentally saving the day after helping it get that bad in the first place.
thiscannotpossiblygowrong
Very true, their contributions are underrated here. But while he's less consistent, you've got to admit McCain's dramatic timing is spot on.
dunewarrior
I wonder if he was waiting for the right moment the whole time. His no vote here screwed them over far more than any other vote could have.
SomePeopleCallMe
I imagine him riding in with Wagner behind him. Marches in past a destroyed wall, sun rising and making everyone scurry.
astrangehop
Maine here. It's weird being a rural red state with repub reps that pull hard lefts for us. Maybe Canada is bleeding in?
emberthegoat
My thoughts exactly. It a pretty easy to follow in this manner if you had missed the most current news
lonyo
Except where the words are just a mess.
SovereignPhantasmia
As someone who has missed all the news, I also found this easy to follow.
emberthegoat
This D&D Meme could be perfect for a consumable summary of events lol!
theBlueFour
BUY BUY BUY!
TyDugganWrites
I find a good many peoples who don't even get DnD still can follow it.
johnvictor
You're being investigated. I roll fire the FBI director to end it. 11. You fire him but now you're just under even more investigation.
emberthegoat
Damn dice always ruining my plans!
neomylove
It was just one loli pic I swear
frake
When Trump casts gross incompetence, shouldn't that roll be a 20?
PickleRick
According to the rule book, the lower you roll the more effective it is.
Goodmerlinpeen
He's the second biggest schmuck in the US. Why not the biggest? Because he's a schmuck
LandoCallipygian
Unfortunately no, because sometimes he casts gross incompetence and everything works out for him. See "election campaign 2016." That's a 20
Mellie007
Multiple bankruptcies, untold number of absolute failures, has never suffered so much as a day for being a shitty businessman ...
Darkspire
Chaotic stupid.
frake
This is true for him IRL. He starts out trying to succeed. He fails, but somehow manages to succeed. Where is that in the rule book?
AvatarTommyBee
Though unfamiliar with DD, I guess "Gross Incompetence" is a weapon of "threatening"-class, which did damage of 1.
lawiseman
Step 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zng5kRle4FA
LtStudmuffin
Going back to the older rule sets, I would imagine he was given a "take 20" and add what you rolled
sunyudai
Take 20 doesn't add to a roll, it assumes that you sat and tried until you rolled a 20 rather than sit there rolling it out.
Havocfett
In fairness, I'm pretty sure that's what Trump's been doing since January 21st.
LtStudmuffin
Yeah, you're right. Been a long time since I played. Some of the rules get a little fuzzy after a while
sunyudai
Fair enough. I have 3x weekly games, so I'm pretty familiar with the rulesets.
ITalkAboutGoats
And I thought it was take 10.
LtStudmuffin
Depends on the situation. Take 20 is out of combat and assuming there's enough time, no penalty for failure. Take 10 is under stress usually
sunyudai
Both of them are only allowable if there is no penalty for failure, unless specified otherwise. Taking 10 assumes no duress but is...
LtStudmuffin
But take 10 is usually performing minute tasks with a time penalty or under duress. At least that's how I remember it
Nightfireo6
He's maxed out that skill so even if he rolls a 1 it's still like he rolled a 20.
TyDugganWrites
letstalknews
lmao
ifyouoralovedonehavebeendiagnosedwithmesotheliomayoumaybe
"I rolled a 2 but it's still 37" -Liam O'Brien on Critical Role.
YourWaifuIsTrash
Jesus fucking christ, do they play 4e? I can't imagine the buffs necessary to achieve +35 to any roll in 5e, at 20th level a rogue with >
Vanack
What the fuck what who what
ifyouoralovedonehavebeendiagnosedwithmesotheliomayoumaybe
Nope homebrew 5e that was adapted from Pathfinder
YourWaifuIsTrash
Do you happen to know the roll that made it that high? I am now super curious about the math behind it.
YourWaifuIsTrash
Expertise in Stealth, and a +6 Dex (from magic items or bullshit) has +18, +28 if someone casts Pass Without Trace on him.
TallGuyWithAHoodie
5th edition has severely reduced skill points. Properly built characters in older editions can easily have skill bonus in the 50s and up.
BlueKarat
Yeah well that's where you're wrong because a 1 is a critical failure.
LetumComplexo
I'm pretty sure rolling a 1 is an automatic failure regardless of stats. Same like rolling 20 is an automatic success regardless of stats.
Beshuu
That's the way I do it as GM. It feels right to me.
SheepInWolfClothing
It depends on roll type and system you're using, but for skill checks, you generally don't crit fail or crit succeed.
TheSwedishCryptid
Only if it's an attack roll. If it's a skill roll or DC check, doesn't matter what the number is. It depends on the requirement to succeed.
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CompoundSentence
But, but. I meant it in the best way. Le sad.
nightripper
He's actually become a minor deity of failing. That means all rolls are critical successes, at least in his domain of fail.
ButchKween
... Can this be a thing? Is there a place to sign him up?
waitwasthatreal
Is that a thing that actually happens in the game?
nightripper
It'd have to be a greater deity, but yes, it does. Here's the rules: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineRanksAndPowers.htm
Mumalot
"I'm the best at everything, even failing!"
MxMenagerie
But...if he succeeds at being the best at failing, then he isn't the best at failing anymore because he succeeded...
gottodiehappy
The man has been bankrupt I think three times? It's a phenomenal record of bad decisions.
BeendrinkingComebacklater
hes also made more money and worth more money than you ever will in 10 lifetimes
Mumalot
yup... and the stupids in the US country elected him. The one downside to Democracy, stupid people are more numerous.
Prototalos
Crit fail is a crit fail.
ryushi5
Would a 1 not be a failure, even with heavy modification?
dwilson0725
Yeah, critical fail. No mods applied.
Trickky
He has familars which give massive bonuses to gross incompetence, it's a success every time he casts it no matter what
AnythingMuchShorter
Trump never rolls natural 20s he got a lot of free bonuses when he was created.
Darkspire
Silver spoon in one end, gold in the other. No share of brains between em though.
iSoulend
I assume it's like "I try to cut off my finger" "why ?" "idk, it's fun" *roll 1* "you stab your heart"
farny99
hes just that bad at things
RenegadeTQ
Trump can't sign a bill that doesn't get passed.
bogus1983
If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?
mytigio
Succeeded at failing, why?
ThisAccountKillsFacists
But also fail at succeeding. So really, what have you done? Fail or succeed?
bogus1983
Yes.
frake
IRL what he actually does is try to succeed, fail and still end up succeeding somehow.
LiterallyYourMom
Having spent so much of his term golfing, Gross Incompetence is handled like a golf score. The INT modifiers for it are all negative.
emmalee60
i was gonna comment this too, thanks for clearing that up.
JessieJanson
GI spell is to say "THAT person is grossly incompetent", so they can be removed from office and replaced. His attempt at this failed.
OmenJones
Maybe the skill is the ability to avoid the effects of failure despite failing, which he does have a great deal of experience with.
fenrisdesigns
That's what happens when you roll for intimidation and CHA's your dump stat.
Jupman
"You president tells the boy scouts about a sex boat trip."
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
I saw some of the transcript of that speech. He is fuckin mental
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
"You will be saying Merry Christmas again! Believe me!" What. The. Actual. Fuck?
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Who thought this was going to happen. We're, you know, having a good time. We're doing a good job.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
*key staff proceed to resign
lemmonjello
Fucking sauce please
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Enjoy
eldonq
http://time.com/4872118/trump-boy-scout-jamboree-speech-transcript/ Hold on to your butt
fluhatinrapper
Thanks samuel l
Kimanous
What a headache I have! Tremendous! He is so dumbed down that those Boy Scouts probably lost IQ points trying to figure what he's saying.
MFuzzySmock
tikitime
i read the transcript. where was the part about sex n boats ? would like to know.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
He more implied it. "Hey kids, you know what happens on a billionair's yacht with former girl scouts?" cue grotesque winking and shrugging.
TheBurritoConfederacy
.. wut
DBF68
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Criminal_proceedings
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I knew about Epstein, I don't know of a connection to Trump. What point are ypu making?
Darkspire
Well, they can't say no. Because of the implication.
KharnApproves
frake
Chicka bow wow.
Jupman
This
tikitime
so more or less the sex part is in the heads of the audience members and the outraged reporters who want more views on their articles.
tikitime
so more or less the sex part is in the heads of the audience members and the outraged reporters who want more views on their articles.
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
It should really have just been a damage roll, like Magic Missile.
Dramacian
As a non USA'an i join my laughs to yours, even if some parts are obscure.
kimmycat57
NonKonformingKobold
New meme right thare
PandaPolice24
kimmycat57
It's a bad ass picture!
BlissfullyIgnorant
Is there a version of this with the 'deal with it' glasses on?
kimmycat57
Oh dear God would that be funny!
CertifiedMemeGuy
henrysnugglemonster
Monka42
I stole that shit yo
daginne
First time seeing his post surgery scar. Not sure he has ominous look as much as tissue was removed from oracle of eye
SaffronTeabagPierogi
Considering what he's been through: tis but a mosquito bite.
StroneDog
That's a potentially badass scar
Counterfit
He won't get to brag about it for very long =/
zackofspades
And in doing so, he saved every GOP member seeking re-election. Just saying.
pravetz
Remember the "hero TBD" sketch from Saturday night live?
BababaMoooya1
.
monosapien
BannedAcc1
This has that "savage Wendy" vibe
zackofspades
Not thicc enough
suos
IHateEvangelion
Fuck this meme.
UrsaPsi
Perfect
PandaModeler
evangelion?
IHateEvangelion
Yeah. It's a piece of shit anime.
TheOneGalen
Groundbreaking for 1996, although other anime learned all the wrong lessons from its success, as usually happens.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Your username was made to display that? Wow, your life is an "L", homie.
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
I disagree with him on a lot but he did the right thing here. No safety net is fucking insane
EuclidianCoitus
I can only hope for the integrity of the man who stayed in a VC POW camp to be tortured when he could leave, and not a corrupt politician
CardboardPizzas
ThatOneOtherGuyYouKnow
I have stolen this for the right moment. Well posted good sir/madam/attack-helicopter.
Psymecoleesis
I will put this to good use, thank you.
Ventrix
SaffronTeabagPierogi
Annnnnd favorite.
yournemesis
"I like people who weren't captured." Even if it wasn't the revenge vote, it feels like sweet vindication.
curiouslyrelevant
He voted yes tho...
HoochIsCrazzy
He voted yes on the vote to open debate, he was the deciding no vote on the actual repeal
Ma3point14
He voted yes
rossimus
(He voted yes to open the debate, then voted no on the bill)
lintwizard
Hang on, didn't he only SAY he would vote "no," and then he voted "yes"?
AlkeneThiol
No.
lintwizard
Looks like Imgur's not exactly welcoming of my confusion with his voting yes on the procedural vote, in this rapidfire news cycle :(
Willpen
He actually said he was gonna vote no but later confessed he voted yes. Got to love those politicians
hedgehogsinhats
https://youtu.be/iNwLDj6D520 this is him voting no, sinking the repealing. He did vote to allow it to the floor earlier, yes.
AvatarTommyBee
Am I mistaken or has that a Hoyse-of-Cards vibe to it?
amagiciannamedgob
I vote brain cancer!
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DontAskMelJustWorkHere
And bush did 9/11!!!!1!
AlkeneThiol
McCain has been elected to the Senate 5 times. If that shit is as bad as it is and true, wouldn't you think a political opponent would have
AlkeneThiol
2) successfully weaponized it against him by now?
HoochIsCrazzy
Since he deleted it can you summarize what the post said?
StRocketScience
I'm dotting the fuck outta this shit
ISayFuckAllTheTime
It'll take more than one decent humane vote to wash whatever is left of that fuckers soul.
matthiasfactor
I'm going to print this and mount it above my fireplace.
DVSBSTrD
Just like all the Democrats, but nobody cares about them.
imreallyjusthereforthecats
Sen. McCain's Col. Tigh cosplay is coming along nicely
Nuttsy
Ssssssoooo...if he dies, he just pops back up in a tub of amniotic-ish fluid somewhere in...er...somewhere?
monimoomo
It's been a while since I've heard that name
ColoneISanders
Holy shit, flashback!
Mozart49
Sad it takes your life almost being lost to realize what the right thing to do is #goodguycain
Panda4hire
I hope Congress can actually sit down and hammer out some sort of compromise, I am tired of them acting like kids. I am not optimistic.
LanceHol
You can't blame them in a way. I mean most of them sold their souls a long time ago and their masters will be FURIOUS.
chiechien
The dem deal *was* the fucking compromise. It was the Republican plan from 1993. Republicans only became against it when a black guy got in.
seedye
Huns: Open the gates! Villagers: No, you'll hurt us. Centrist: What we really need is bipartisanship. Open one gate.
SmellyPotatoMan
So long as Stalwart "Fuck the poor, I have Lobbyists" Congressmen exist, it'll only get worse.
letstalknews
Truthfully there is no turning around. We have to get rid of insurance companies otherwise the prices are only going up from here.
jaminjimmyjames
They only go up in general.
enzio64
We need to stop talking about getting more/less people health *insurance* and start focusing on getting everyone health *care.*
spmedic
Thank you. Insurance does not equal health care.
dbs84mn
Agreed
mexxed
You think restructuring something like that is tough, try having an open discussion about "basic income".
mineovermatter
Wtf is "basic income". My basic income is a result of my choices (good and bad). I *earned* my income (which happens to be 0 atm)
mexxed
Do you want an explanation or are you just shitposting because you disagree with the idea?
idownvoteplottwist
As long as people want to reduce risk, there will be insurance companies.
IHaveNoEyeDeer
Insurance is a great way to factor risk. But only Mutual companies should be allowed in this sphere. For profit insurance = evil.
dbs84mn
I get the sentiment, but it is too simplistic of an argument.
IHaveNoEyeDeer
You were expecting a nuanced argument in 140 characters, perhaps?
spattr
Fine, let them insure property (homes, cars, boats, international shipping). Profiting off the dead & dying is obscene.
AlkeneThiol
Healthcare is the issue that made my younger self realize that I could never support pure libertarianism. I honestly can't comprehend how
AlkeneThiol
2) rightwingers are so convinced that the free market would ever bring about healthcare that doesn't disenfranchise those that need it most
rando84
It ought to be available as supplemental, but building a national health care system around it makes no sense. It's a relic from when 1/2
rando84
health care was cheap (and not particularly effective), and companies actually wanted to cover their employees. 2/2
Panda4hire
Well, I don't think we need to get rid of them so much as work with them to try and hash a deal out.
letstalknews
I say get rid of them b/c i have yet to see a company want to lose money to help anyone especially an insurance company.
Panda4hire
well, I agree, but the truth is they aren't going to go anywhere, so we have to work with them unfortunately.
letstalknews
They could we could kick them out our market and they could go to...o thats right no other nation does this. So we can boot them.
windyroad
Single payer is what we need.
Panda4hire
I agree with options to upgrade if wanted.
dbs84mn
You do realize that Hospitals, clinics, drug companies, providers make up roughly 90% of the costs. Payers are trying to control the costs.
Corona688
Your costs are grossly inflated. Nobody else in the world pays as much for so little as the US>
dbs84mn
No argument from me on that. We pay too much for too little. When you look at the health and outcomes of other nations, we are getting beat
letstalknews
Yes b/c they make deals with insurance companies who charge 500% more for treatments Go look at insurance roll in pricing. May surprise you
SoundFuture
Which is why we need things like standardized billing, pricing, and markup for services. We also need to fund preexisting unfunded mandates.
dbs84mn
I think you should look, because you are clearly very uniformed on the topic. If you are advocating for single payer 1/2
dbs84mn
2/2 I think you will be disappointed. The Payers are part of the problem, but they are not the only culprit. It is much or complex
letstalknews
Im not actually and i didnt mean it as an insult I really want you to look at it, from what you have shown here it will surprise you.
Iworktosavethetatas
Yeah you know... 7 years and all. I might cure cancer before the hammer anything out together.
HoochIsCrazzy
Unfortunately your cure will not be on the list of covered treatments
jaminjimmyjames
A large part of their tax reform relied on getting rid of the ACA taxes. I don't think Ryan is willing to let go of full repeal.
HoochIsCrazzy
He is fully committed to the belief that government shouldn't be in the insurance business
jaminjimmyjames
He's pretty much against entitlements of any kind. So he's excited to scale back Medicare to almost nothing.
AlmightyHamSandwich
Won't happen as long as the GOP feels it can swing its dick around for 50+1 votes. They're committed to seeing Democrats frozen out.
IDidntWantToDoThis
The truth of the matter is that the ACA [Obamacare] IS the compromise position. It was worked out in over 100 sessions of negotiation.
Slander7
This. Visiting French coworker called Obama a Republican by mistake and I corrected her. She'd heard Obamacare summary and figured it 1/2
Slander7
was the conservative healthcare plan. 2/2
TheBurritoConfederacy
As I understand it, it IS. Or rather, is based on model legislation from the 90s put forward by the GOP and adopted in Massachusetts.
IDidntWantToDoThis
The ACA is very similar to the bill introduced by Sen. Chafee in 1993, Health Equity and Access Reform Today. Not identical, but very close.
HoochIsCrazzy
And then Romney tried to distance himself as far as possible from it when he ran for President
Awesomegeddon
This. Dems want single payer. Reps want free markets. ACA is literally the middle ground.
mexxed
This is why repeal with no replacement shit makes zero sense to me. This WORKS. Not ideal, but It works miles better than anything before it
natabus
Since Reagan, conservatives have been fighting to the middle, then redefining the middle, and fighting to that, abetted by third way dems.
natabus
Its pendulum time.
dbs84mn
What is your point?
dbs84mn
ACA was about getting people access to care, NOT about affordability. Supply/demand says if you have have more users the cost will go up
ExpatProblems
Are you saying the supply of health care will go down?
dbs84mn
I am saying we didn't increase the number of caregivers (aka Doctors/clinics) in the system, but we have more people seeking quality care
MidlandRedux
1/2 -- The republican caucus in both houses is, at this point, a giant, cancerous tumor that has blocked the bowels of government.
mousemarie94
I mean our government has shut down for less...im not optimistic either. Politicking is hard
Begotten
For there to be a compromise there has to actually be two opposing sides. It's painfully obvious there isn't.
WeirdStealth
Oh come on, by them acting like kids, it means people might actually notice that they're incompetent with no intent of helping the nation.
HoochIsCrazzy
Nope, it just reinforces the belief that "they" (being the opposite of whatever you believe) are wrong and evil
Nissie
As a canadian, we dont have to deal with insurance companies aside from optionally if we travel or our kids are in sports etc or want >
Nissie
Addl coverage to pay for prescriptions, dental, optical. Those are the only things we pay for, the rest is covered by fed or prov govt.
Panda4hire
yup, most of the world is this way. But somewhere along the way the US got lost and started profiting on people's misery.
Nissie
It baffles me how the US is a superpower and is sooooo behind in caring for its own. As a parent that would freak me out >.<
HoochIsCrazzy
Why do you need supplemental insurance if your kids play sports?
Nissie
My kids play and ive never gotten it. You dont need it but i think its just offered due to team travel and sports injuriies usually require>
Nissie
After care lile physio, massage. TBH im not sure. Ill grab s pamphlet and see why. My son played ftbl 5-17 and ive never done it. Feeding >
Nissie
Him and his friends was the most expensive part. 8)))
Mackinz
Tired of Congress acting like kids? THEN STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN. Republicans are the ones who shut down gov't in 2013 by throwing a tantrum.
Mackinz
They ALWAYS act this way, then their base admonishes them of all guilt and blames Democrats for everything. GOP is Great On Projection.
MidlandRedux
2/2 -- There cannot be a compromise because there are almost no republicans left to compromise with. They all think public health is evil.
cancerriddenlung
Lock them in a room together. Put the key in a bag of holding. Put the bag of holding in a bag of holding.
Panda4hire
Pfft. If only. My only real hope is that this defeat forces both sides to come up with something that works.
WardSharlow
Everyone knows you put your bag of holding in your portable hole.
dnd3edm1
No, put the room in a bag of holding. Then fill the bag of holding with molten lava from Mt Doom.
SigneowTheCat
Can I break the outermost bag of holding and permanently destroy the inner bag and the key? That'd leave them all locked in the room.
Panda4hire
I think they'd get sucked into the astral plane.
SigneowTheCat
That's if you put a bag of holding into a portable hole. Bag of Holding text from 3.5 says "If... sharp objects pierce it ..., the bag 1/2
SigneowTheCat
ruptures and is ruined. All contents are lost forever. " 2/2
KeithVincent
If the government would get out of it and leave the decisions to a free market than payers would dictate price.
Panda4hire
Moreover, the free market would be no subsidies or assistance from the government in any way.
KeithVincent
Precisely, the government should not be providing assistance of any kind to anyone.
Panda4hire
While I think the idea itself makes sense I just don't think it would work anymore than the government managing everything.
DontAskMelJustWorkHere
That's not really feasible. Hospitals/doctors aren't really a service payers can opt out of if the price is too high.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
It didn't work that way pre-ACA when there was little to no price regulation. Pre-ACA rates went up an average 8-10% per year, post-ACA
NotMyUsualOnlineName
they've gone up an average of 5% per year. Why? Because insurance companies MUST get rate increases approved now. They didn't have to
NotMyUsualOnlineName
before, at most all they had to do was file their planned rate increases with some states, and those states didn't say "This is too high."
Panda4hire
While I think that's a noble idea , I trust corporate greed less than I trust government incompetence.
KeithVincent
Corporate greed makes no difference in a free market. If you choose to offer a shorty product at a ridiculous price then no one buys it 2)
KeithVincent
Of no one buys it then you go out of business and others realize they cannot get away with that shit. 3)
KeithVincent
This corporate greed you speak of has no power if citizens are free to choose which corporation they do business with.
Panda4hire
I would argue that works when you have hundreds of small companies, but not when you have 4-5 mega corps who can collude.
KeithVincent
...and why do we have 4-5mega corps? Because the government started getting corrupted and influenced by money. This problem, IMHO, is 2)
userfriendly19777
StormWingDelta
Yes lets just save this for later. :P
spattr
Single payer is the only real choice. Time to join the place the rest of the civilized world arrived at 70 years ago.
Catfactory
Universal coverage*. Single payer isn't necessary so long as everyone is covered and it's all affordable. Netherlands does OK with theirs.
mexxed
The big problem is upscaling that to a country this size, especially with how much power states have (too much).
Begotten
Universal Medicaid. This is what you're suggesting. Does that sound good to you?
Thefrostyscot
Does paying $100,000 + for a needed surgery sound better?
Begotten
Yeah that seems reasonable. How much do you think it should cost? Really makes no difference anyway because you would never get the surgery
Begotten
with universal Medicaid
JimStarluck
With the way his health is going it might be one of McCain's last votes. Thank god he made it count.
MerToo
daughter went to the US for SDR surgery last year- the stories my wife heard from other parents while she was there'd make for a Nope vote
HoochIsCrazzy
What is sdr surgery and why did she come to the US?
MerToo
Selective Dorsal Rhizotomy is an operation to remove the leg-stiffening symptoms of cerebral palsy. There are only 2 places you can get it,
MerToo
the other is in England. It is covered in some countries by healthcare but not yet in NZ (something I will try to change).
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
He definitely showed some integrity in that last vote. I disagree with his politics but i have a lot of respect for the man for that.
InfinitusEquitas
I'd have voted for him over shillary and stump happily.
LavaAxe
Hopefully he'd have picked a non-insane VP candidate this time around. Because he wouldn't have made it end of term.
Kierbear2g
he could have killed it days ago. He wanted one last media handjob before he kicks the bucket. Fuck 'im.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
I'd have more respect for him if he had voted no on the initial "Do we want to vote on these bills" vote. He could have ended this days ago.
Wonfis
That wouldn't have ended it. Getting it to the floor and denying it did more to kill it than just delaying it.
noctynight
He didn't want to push this bill along binary party lines like they did with Obama Care. When he saw the shitty alternative (1/2)
noctynight
And the lack of an actual, functional replacement, he voted no. He knew that acting hasty would only make things worse.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
The ACA might have been passed along party lines, but it was a bipartisan bill. There were about 160 GOP amendments added to it, and the GOP