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JoshuaTheBrony
nice memes got any sources to back up those claims?
Believemefolks
They are spending millions to raise roads and add pumps in Miami.Wonder if the Rs still deny it as they budget to get ahead of flooding?
GreaterDog
I wanna see one about the Great Barrier Reef
b1515152004
I believe these are just called "facts".
WorkWhereItHertz
Keep it up. Facts are facts.
InterruptinWHALE
But there not facts
WorkWhereItHertz
Their, there, they're?
InterruptinWHALE
Third one. Thankyou.
mamasmurf78
I listened to 2 co-workers argue about whether or not there could be "alternative facts". I felt dumber just listening to them.
MeTheJDO
http://68.media.tumblr.com/06eedb0a3ce0c511e495b52347030f0a/tumblr_nksei7YvY01s7y044o7_400.gif
invisibulman
Are you sure? I don't see any of this information on government websites.
DingleBerryJane
These are alllll alternative facts! *does sweeping arm motion*
DingleBerryJane
This just in: imgur users straight from facebook dont understand sarcasm
scorpiomoonshine
We're fucked. We should have stop debating about this over a decade ago.
1234canIhavealittlemore
"Its a chinese hoax" - alternative fact
awkwardstare
but my air conditioned house has been the same temperature the whole time D:
Didijustshtmypants
Wasn't 2015 supposed to be the hottest year on record? Oh....wait...
DemonicPossum
The ocean acidity is terrifying. If that number climbs high enough all ocean life collapses except for jelly fish.
pennyp
So Archaeologist believe that the Myans died because of climate change...not man made CC. Swirl that around in your marble for a while.
Galdrack
And the people of Pompeii died of a natural disaster. One civ dying due to natural climate change doesn't negate evidence to the man made
PhailRaptor
Considering that predates the Industrial Revolution, it's not relevant
pennyp
It shows climate change occurs with or without human interference. Dating CC after the industrial revolution is hysteria. 1/2
pennyp
It also proves the theory of cycles. To be prepared for that change instead of trying to stop naturally occurring cycles.
walkintheshadows
Taxing us into oblivion won't change anything. Not an alternative fact.
CajunTexasViking
2016 may...was the hottest year on record but there were more "snowflakes" than ever before. amiright?
Janusha
America needs to swap FAITH and BELIEF for actual facts and reason. Its getting embarrassing now.
Moldrok
There is no scientific proof for carbon dioxide to cause the earth's climate change. Not an alternative fact.
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coloradostoneman
Not true. https://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm
snipekill1997
And you are artificially restricting your statement to avoid the overwhelming evidence that it does. Like that you can calculate the (1)
snipekill1997
increased radiative forcing of the increased CO2, or that Venus is hot enough to melt lead because of its 96% CO2 atmosphere. (2)
tabbya
Have you every actually read a scientific fact??
bumwithguns
There is scientific proof that carbon dioxide absorbs specific wavelengths of light, which then causes it to release thermal radiation
bumwithguns
You can literally model this on a smaller scale
bumwithguns
(youtube climate 101 with bill nye)
Ezzybells
The last 3 years have been the hottest on record, not just that one year.
Sunglasses420
You can only have 1 hottest year.
Ezzybells
The last 3 years have each been hotter than all the years before them. Can't remember where I read it now, was about a week ago.
DaJoW
And the only reason it wasn't a longer streak is because 97 was a huge outlier. Also why people say warming ended in 97.
asowerbs
Serious question, isn't most of the ice melting not attached to land so wouldn't it already have the displacement in the water?
PhailRaptor
Depends on where the ice comes from. Sea ice, you are correct. Glaciers over land, you are very wrong.
skooterLaughin
No, most of the ice melting *in the Arctic* is not attached to land. The Antarctic is a landmass, losing ice.
asowerbs
But I thought the Antarctic wasn't losing ice... again not trying to be condescending or anything I really just don't know.
snipekill1997
At the temperatures we are experiencing now seasonal sea ice forms more readily because of more snow, but the land glaciers melt more (1)
snipekill1997
and more every year which actually affects sea levels as opposed to sea ice which (mostly) doesn't. (2)
WeatherWeaver
It had a high point recently (around 2012-2014) but it's back to rapidly losing ice mass like it was before then.
asowerbs
Thank you
jessioni
Chemical properties make ice is less dense then water. Thats why ice floats. Essentially water takes up more space then ice does.
asowerbs
Wouldn't that mean it takes up more space though? Same mass, more dense = less volume?
wizardboy24
Ice in water displaces the same mass as if it were water, meaning there's no level change if the ice is IN water. However, the issue (1)
wizardboy24
is that not all the ice in the world is IN the ocean. Much of it is on land. When that melts and runs into the sea, it will rise. Also, (2)
wizardboy24
rise will be due to that as well. (4)
wizardboy24
to a lesser extent, but still important, is the fact that warmer water in general takes up more space than colder water, so some of the (3)
MrBodacious
Why don't we all say clever thing to refute this that suggest we know what the fuck we are talking about
BLawww
A recent major university study found 78.2% of statistics to be false.
coloradostoneman
Ahhh, but these have Data to back them up. unimaginable amounts of Data.
JaegerBombster
And 79.7% made up on the spot!
BenSnow97
Wondering what's going on with that 1.5%
YourEx
hmmmm either you are lying or telling the truth... 50/50
RWebb00000
sea ice declining at 13.3% oh good. then it will never totally be gone
ThisIsWhyIimgur
Lmao
ifwisheswerehorsestherewouldbelotsofhorsepoo
As an accountant this made me chuckle.
lostandlonelyguy
It is *currently* declining at that rate. The rate likely will not stay constant. (Not to kill your joke, though. I'm just sayin'…)
RaveningWendigo
Sea ice isn't the problem. It's only meters thick. Land ice declining is the problem. In the antarctic, it's kilometers thick.
Bonsaipanda
It's not the ice itself that's the problem, but the decline causing serious damage to wildlife and their hunting / mating.
PlatanusO
Sea ice melting is still a problem indirectly. Ice has a higher albedo than water.
RaveningWendigo
Best analogy I've heard (from a Vice episode: sea ice is the same water melting and freezing, but when land ice melts, more ice is added.
IxRxPHYSICIST
For those that don't get it, it is an asymptotic function, there will always be SOME left. Just not a lot.
TheCrazyKoopaTroopa31
It's all fun and games until you split an atom
hughesybooze
If you split an atom made of dark matter is it alternative fission?
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Sure. Except the rate of decline changes :(
RWebb00000
as long as it is not 100%+... the math still says there will be some left.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Yes, except in the real world melting ice absolutely would end up with a rate of decline of 100%.
RWebb00000
HOW DARE YOU BRING REAL WORLD INTO THIS! YOU FUCK OFF WITH THAT NONSENSE!!!!!! :P
Pullout69
Right, like even when there is literally a baseball sized piece of ice left, it will only shrink 13%
hughesybooze
No, once it gets to the size of a baseball the process reverses cos global warming is just a natural cycle. Alternative fact of the day.
IxRxPHYSICIST
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/600/its-something.jpg
Merdin
I missed this meme
NedwardStark
Oh blow it out your asymptote
KingZullu
ethanpanda101
http://imgur.com/mcCe47p
RWebb00000
wow guys, 424 pts? bonus Alternate Fact!: Sea ice is only declining 0.111% each month. That is like nothing.
InterruptinWHALE
Doesn't The earth go through times of heating and cooling. isn't that what the ice ages is?
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DaJoW
Sure, but there are no "natural" reasons for the warming.
RWebb00000
yes, it is the speed at which it is happening that is at question.
wadatahmydamie
And the cause, which is only questioned by, well, you know.
newyorknyc
And this current speed is all wrong!
jimmyriba
It does, but this is not what is happening now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&index=5&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP
pravetz
Yup! The earth does go through changes. And if the earth heats up by about 5-8 degrees coastal cities get wiped out and crops don't get rain
EnvoyEngineer
and how long have we been officially recording temperatures?
AncientSeraph
You may now remove the latter part from your name.
EnvoyEngineer
For asking a question? Foolishness.
InterruptinWHALE
We can figure it out through geology
memberwar
Which ice age was caused by man?
FnordGallop
There was a little, but measureable decrease in global surface temperature after the mongols killed everyone.
dieselpunk
So how much are the bodies of the current population of Earth contributing to its temperature?
FnordGallop
It wasn't a body-heat thing, it was that there were fewer people burning things during the winters for generations, so, rapid reforestation
FnordGallop
And the resulting carbon sequestration. This is what caused the planet to cool by much less than a degree.
BangkokDanger
YES. scientists don't actually know how much humans contribute to climate change. There is no formula that tells us "this much emission =
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This much rise in temp".
jimmyriba
That used to be the case decades ago, not so much anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco
bumwithguns
there are models... but its not an exact science since there are so many variables with such a complex system ie: ocean dissolving co2...
bumwithguns
...forest density increasing from higher concentrations of co2 etc
bumwithguns
but you can do things like measure the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere, and how much thermal radiation is is being released from...
bumwithguns
...earth into space and you can get a pretty good idea of how co2 concentration and global average temperature is related
Rifneno
1-Dude, the earth has SEEN SOME SHIT. 3 mile high megatsunamis, global firestorms, the ocean has turned to acid and most marine life
Rifneno
3-a step above supernova) and stripped off Earth's ozone layer thus flooding the planet with deadly radiation, at one point billions of
Rifneno
4-years ago it's even believed that Earth collided with another planet! That's a theory for the moon's formation: it's collective debris
InterruptinWHALE
But we're here now this isn't about the planet itself but the inhabitants of the planet
Rifneno
2-drowned, flooded with methane and turning the air into an explosive, poisonous gas, (possibly) a nearby supergiant went hypernova (that's
Rifneno
5-from that cataclysmic collision. Just because something's not new doesn't mean it's not catastrophic and we shouldn't try to avoid it.
Crustypeanut
Yes, thats nice. We won't survive it, tho. The Earth? She'll live. Just not us. I'd prefer we survive too.
Rifneno
That's what I mean. Also, I like listing some of the shit Earth has been through for all the silly bastards who think "humans are the worst
Rifneno
thing that has ever happened to this planet". LOL, we don't even rank.
Crustypeanut
We already know bad things have happened to the Earth far worse than humans, its just that, now that we're here itd be nice if we could stay
allthenamesareregisted
those damn chinese.....
craze
So does Climate Change only effect the North Pole? https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
WeatherWeaver
2. In theory, cold places could see ice sheet growth for a time because warmer air (still below freezing) can produce more snow than
WeatherWeaver
1. Check out the editor's note at the top of that article
jimmyriba
If the temperature on the Antarctic stays well below freezing, warming ironically causes increased land ice: more precipitation => more ice.
WeatherWeaver
3. colder air. Eventually, though, the avg temps rising above freezing will make rain, not snow, and away go the ice sheets.
BigBenThisHeresRubberDuck
Major underrated comment here.
jimmyriba
*overrated.
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memberwar
"Fuck you, ocean currents don't exist, and neither do ice shelf calves"
Souljah42
"These are alternative facts that greatly dispute my opinion and are therefore WRONG!"
memberwar
"No, I just post bullshit science denialism on imgur because my parents are republican, shut up"
Chereazi
Yeah, 2016, but it's 2017 now! And it's cold here!
DysgraphicProgrammer
It's january, in chicago, and I have been able to go out w/o a coat for a week straight. It's unnatural.
Galactasaur
Actually this year should be cooler because of el nina but the over trend is still upward
Dontforgetstayhydrated
today was 82 F here
Lola7575
nova scotia as well +5°C today and rain. jan and feb are always usually cold and snowy.
NotaMormonbutlookslikeone
I'm 1 mile from the pacific in California and it's constantly raining and almost 32 degrees. I concur with you
valen00
8 out of the 10 hottest years on record have been in the past 10 years
EGOT
Actually this post must be old, 2017 is now the hottest year on record. Global averages have risen 1.7 deg. Covered on NPR last week.
RenaissanceFaireMan
You're using (less than) one month of 2017 to make this determination? Interesting. Please continue.
EGOT
I was right about 1.7 deg since we started tracking part, tho. So plz let me get some bonus points for that.
EGOT
Nope I am wrong haha, i have been trying to stop writing "2016" for the dates so much I legit lost track of what year we're in ha
RenaissanceFaireMan
We're in 2017...haven't even gone through a whole month of it yet.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Please continue forecasting how 2017 will be the hottest year on record....before it happens.
MightyMouseTech
I just ate so there can not be world hunger!
filthyconsolepeasant
here in Quebec our ice rinks barely stay frozen. We may need to declare a state or emergency soon
mentallychallengeaccepted
Though it's the year of the rooster, i.e year of the cock, which probably means it's the year that will fuck us all.
CanadianGodzilla
Not in Ontario, we should have a couple of feet of snow but the grass is green and we're getting rain
MrClive
Here in Sudbury the city hasn't opened any of the public outdoor rinks yet... it's almost uncanadian
Chereazi
Same here, only had 1 or 2 days with some snow so far, same last few years too, 10 years ago it was at least knee-deep in winter
CanadianGodzilla
That's how it should be
TysonGoesOutside
Alberta too. It's hovering around 0... it's messed up man. Messed up.
waitwhat1234
Alberta here too. We had 3 weeks straight of sub -25 temps.
CanadianGodzilla
Not normal, it's 3 right now. I remember in like 2008 we had 6 ft of snow overnight
TysonGoesOutside
2010/2011 we were snowed in bad here. There was about 4 feet on the ground and it was coming down hard. -30 meant no work it was great.
CanadianGodzilla
That's a Canadian winter, not rain, green grass and 3 degrees out
jippsee
It's been raining in Minnesota, where it's usually Minnesota.
ihaveatinyPP
It's 70 degrees outside here and we normally have snow by now here. Indiana
silvermoon88
It's about 40 here in central IL, no snow. Same weather everyday for the past two weeks almost. Odd to say the least.
Nkechinyerembi
i wore shorts... im in illinois... wheres the snow?
jackskelington
Fort Wayne here. Can confirm. Normally 2 feet of snow by now, but it's 50 out! No snow!
doucher
Well it's 29 here in Portland, OR and it's normally 29 here this time of year.
FreaksOnWheels
Looks like I'm moving to Indiana.
Agressiveinliners
Good time to move, we just got rid of Pence....oh wait....
kthxnbi
It'll go back to snow in 2 days, Indiana weather is not to be trusted
settlerswouldridethesebabysformiles
Shit it was like that in Michigan a few days ago.
jpb103
It's hovering around 0° Celsius here in Thunder Bay. Normally around -20° to -40° around this time of year.
NateintheNorth
MN we've had an entire week above 0°F. Send help.
weedbratton
Isn't the earth naturally heating up anyway but we are just exponentially increasing it?
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Yes we are in a naturally occurring global warming stage but we are speeding up the rate at a pretty alarming rate
weedbratton
we're really just trying to see what it's feel like 100k years from now
KrustyPartiallyGelatinatedNonDairyGumBasedBeverage
For all the 'fluctuation' people: https://xkcd.com/1732/
doihavetobeclever
We are so fucked.
BadlyWrappedKebab
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danishjuggler21
To the top with you
EveryonesCousin
Feels like we're already totally fucked. Just hammering nails into our coffin with the recent ignorance
gtothehizzle
People need to see this
HodorIsADJ
Fluck you Americans, too!
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Two things that not many people make a big deal about but which have a huge impact are meat farms and throwing away food both create methane
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Methane is the second most powerful greenhouse gas
kurtist04
9000 BCE, do yourself a favor and find that date on this site.
WhatAShipIs
Good eye. Here's some upvotes.
kurtist04
Also 500 BCE
kurtist04
Whoever downvoted me obviously didn't find the date on the site...
sugarfreesucrose
Why is every reply comment on this being downvoted?
ilsalta
This desperately needs to be top comment.
YouKilledMeImADeadGhooostNow
Does it? I'm the furthest from a climate change denier, but starting the clock at 22k years ago when we have millions of years of ice cores?
pravetz
We don't really have millions of years of ice cores. Over millions of years the planet has changed dramatically. If it does so again we die.
bobbot
Starting the clock further back might change the results of the illustration. Is this what you're getting at?
YouKilledMeImADeadGhooostNow
Exactly... he's disproving cycles without showing far back enough to conclude there are no cycles. I still think the current trend is 1/2
YouKilledMeImADeadGhooostNow
unprecedented, but you can plug the holes by showing the whole story.
baronridiculous
We do not have millions of years of ice cores.
YouKilledMeImADeadGhooostNow
Looks like you are right, vostok has been sealed for 15m years but the cores are only 800k years old. Still 40x longer.
ilsalta
Xkcd has a reputation for well thought out, well researched posts. I'm inclined to trust he did his due diligence.
bwizzle360
Not trying to be a jerk, answers only please. Didn't they change it from global warming to climate change because it's not getting hotter?
Kierbear2g
No, "they" changed it because Bush advisor Frank Luntz decided it sounded better.
Galactasaur
Global warming is under the blanket term "climate change". Climate change talks about all effects. Global warming is specific to the warmin
keepthevibesalive
Climate change because the system (Earth's conditions) is changing, but not necessarily getting warmer in some climates. Trending towards /1
keepthevibesalive
roam the Earth. This planet doesn't need us, we need it. Time for humanity to start acting like we recognize this fact /3
keepthevibesalive
leaving the interglacial period of the ice age we're currently in. Completely typical of Earth, just not at this rate and not while humans/2
parsonf
No. Changed b/c g.w. is only 1 thing that is happening. Climate change is more broad & accurate. E.g., g.w. + sea lvl rise + acidity, etc.
magundi
It is definitely getting hotter, but no one cares. They will care when all the fish die off from the ocean temp increasing.
memberwar
You want us to give you an answer to a question which says "because it's not getting hotter?" What fucking planet ARE you on? Serious q
pravetz
In the 1970s, when people started getting serious about studying climates, some news reporters got ahold of partial information and claimed/
pravetz
That the world was cooling. The news reports got to the cover of time magazine and a lot of popular places, even if the data was incomplete/
pravetz
And the reporters were only partially understanding the topic. As it turns out climate data had really been available for hundreds of years/
pravetz
And once people had access to modern computers you could report on it more accurately. The climate is getting hotter, fact.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
No
MattReigns
It is global warming because the globe is warming, not the weather. As NDT stated, weather is dynamic.
jimmyriba
While the Earth is getting hotter (more energy comes in than is radiated out), it doesn't mean it gets hotter *everywhere* all the time. 2/2
ChopsticksAndWhisky
For the general public the term has been changed to climate change due the the average Joe making the "well its cold here" argument.
ChopsticksAndWhisky
But yes, the average global temperature is increasing and this is resulting in climate change.
ilsalta
Yeah but it snowed just today, therefore it isn't real!
Ant4N
I swear people are retarded. It's like a baby is getting taller 10 cm every day. Just because it's getting taller doesn't mean it's tall.
Ant4N
Just because the planet is getting warmer, doesn't mean it's never cold. Smfh
jimmyriba
No. It is getting hotter (and the last several years have all been the hottest on record, even when we expect fluctuation). 1/2
TeflonTrout
It is getting hotter. 2016 was the hottest year ever recorded for the 3rd year in a row. Avg global temps skyrocketed once ind rev started.
SherMattLockSmith
No, they changed from global warming to climate change because of political and stigma reasons.
Trollhydra
Plus Global Warming really was never a good name for it. Climate Change makes more sense to a layperson on what it all means.
anddylanrew
It's climate change because warming does not cover all of the issues arising.
channelranger
Hotter on average, which is causing more extreme weather, that may sometimes be cold.
PirateRubberDuck
It is getting hotter. It would be getting hotter without humans. The issue is how quickly it is happening.
PirateRubberDuck
Global temperature change causes more extreme weather due to more energy in the system.
RoTTonSKiPPy
Global warming leads to climate change. They are two different things that go hand in hand together.
bwizzle360
Two different things that go hand-in-hand? It sounds like you're saying global warming and climate change are correlated, but not causation
psionoblast
While the planet on average has gotten hotter the changes to the plabet will actually make some places colder. The change to the name 1/2
Pete1burn
I played with my plabet tonight.
TrundleTheGr8
Plabet earth made me laugh
psionoblast
Is because u get alot of ppl saying "look at the snow global warming isnt real"
Smallbrownrabbit
I think 'climate instability' is a term that will be used more in the furture as it is more accurate.
BrianGoralczyk
I think with the history of ice ages and more temperate periods we can assume that it is a very accurate description.
psionoblast
Cont. With ice caps melting salinty in the ocean will increase. This will shut down deep ocean currents and slow the ocean gyres 1/2
SergeantOldSchool
Serious Q: If I melt an ice cube into a half liter bowl of salted water... will the salinity of the water increase or decrease? Discuss.
psionoblast
Salinity would decrease the ice cube is only water. salt does not freeze with water it will precipitate out
Waffleguy13
Salinity would decrease since there would be more clean water with the same amount of salt
psionoblast
For example the warm for the gulf stream goes north to the poles then goes south along the uk bringing warmer water which makes the uk 2/3
Spikelf
What? So beyond having 60 something years of data that we only look at 30 years of. The earth has periodically through this and we have life
psionoblast
Warmer so if this slows and possibly stops the temperature in the UK will drop 3/3
summitshow
Eventually global warming will peak and boom. New ice age. Such much for warmth
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Technically we're in an ice age, just an intermission. We will most likely enter a greenhouse climate due to human activity.
TraitorousTrump3
Might be a few hundred thousand years before that happens though.
OddlyPacific
By 2005. Remember the 90's?
eatyourmeat
That will happen with or without our help. It's just moving faster than normal
summitshow
So you're telling me we haven't escalated thongs?
TeflonTrout
We have, and by a huge margin. The data points from before and after the industrial revolution look like halves of 2 different charts.
mchaggis6942
"Escalated thongs"... sarcasm aside, thanks for that chuckle!
summitshow
Aaaa afaik
eatyourmeat
We have. But it will happen anyway
AncientSeraph
"Why do you mind that I shot him? He was going to die eventually anyway."
summitshow
Maybe Il put 1000of ice dispensers on the poles?!