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7qd26tttv7
Raise the stakes. Jobs are easy come easy go. You only get one life.
carmablue
fun fact politicians in China who get caught lying get shot
Fucdemocracy
I think there are some things that are okay to lie to the public about. I won't elaborate. Unless it's like actual crimes
Poestis
Sometimes bureaucracy blocks promises, watch this hit heavy.
Sechran
As if having the best flag wasn't prestigious enough.
C0ZM0
The flag is nothing compared to Gareth Edwards!
MissySassy
Why isn't this an international law and requirement?
TanithRosenbaum
Of course my first thought was "Awesome, finally". But after some pondering I see three problems:
a) This needs to have an entirely and utterly independent and neutral arbiter. The moment a person or panel with a political leaning gets to decide who lied, this turns into a burning cow patty.
b) Even with an independent arbiter, some things don't have an objective truth. So this needs to be restricted to objective truths
c) Sometimes externalities change that the politician has no influence on.
petonious
Expatriate liars in congress. At the least. Prison for insider trading. You want the prison system cleaned up ? Start putting senators in there. The real blue collar ones that make up half of thier portfolio. The crappy "for profit" ones they keep saying are completely humane.
beerkrump
If a law like that was enacted in the USA, the entire political workforce would be purged.
huffnpuff72
Truth in political advertising should be the bare minimum.
mcm4sean8
So, no politician jobs in Wales, I guess.
CallMeMcGyver
When I was a child I was shocked to find out that wasn't a thing... more so that a politician couldn't be fired and thrown out of office for being a thief or being shit at their job... it seemed like common sense that being a liar and making promises you didn't keep would become problematic... it was unsettling that full fledged adults didn't seem to understand that and acted like being a liar was just part of the game...
SomeDetroitGuy
Sure they can be - their employer just has to do it. That's their voters.
STGxDante
That's a double edged sword. Who decides what's a lie or what is considered misleading? Who is going to apply it evenly across ones own party vs their opposition?
psmith00
okay, not a bad idea but wherever are you going to find honest politicians to take part in a government like that?
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
It would be a great law, if there was a universally accepted authority on truth. As it is, the "alternate reality" crowd would absolutely abuse the sh't. Just imagine the possibilities for the q-anon, flat-earther, covid-denial, anti education mob should they ever gain the least bit of power - which isn't as hard as it should be. With humanity the way it is, we're better of without a law like that.
00LimaRomeo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v07je1119o
TheVillageGrouch9000
Thanks! ↑
MundySeme
Cool concept. Not possible to implement.
Progressive politicians will be labeled "liars" and jailed by fascists to rapidly create a tyrant failed state.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I feel like it would be very possible to show video proof.
jrhawk42
They do hearings like that in the US. Mostly they are witch hunts like what we recently saw w/ Fauci related to the origins of COVID-19.
RElGNMAN
When I was growing up I thought this and convicted felons could not run or hold office was the norm, boy was I naive.
idbrii
Woah, I didn't realize the latter was true for the US. In Canada, 2+ year sentences bar you from public office. I wonder if that's common across the globe.
AndrewZabar
Every American politician would be out of a job within a minute.
AndrewZabar
But also, I doubt Wales is doing this - at least, not to such a simplistic extent.
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Ironic that no one can understand them in the first place.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
As always, before you support a new control mechanism consider how easy it could be twisted by shit people, and how damaging it would be if that happened.
cambriago13
Iechyd da!
C0ZM0
Dew
Quizz25S
They're about to find out how easy it is to not lie and still never tell the truth.
TheVillageGrouch9000
Hmmm...
FudgeLicense
algoritham
StellarJay77
So Whales is about to go without any politicians hey?
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Where the US has no problem proving politicians have nothing to lose under a Liar-in-Chief.
BeaverOnFire
King lord daddy Trump never lies! His amazing second cumming of Republican Jesus powers bend reality to fit whatever narrative is spewing out of his hole, and his baby Jesus hands reshape the fabric of reality around him!
NeoAcario
SCOTUS has ruled that lies are perfectly legal as long as they aren't libel/slander or fraud - United States v. Alvarez (2012)
M4UsedRollout
Yeah but that wouldn’t prohibit a law saying a public official knowingly lying while communicating to the public loses their job.
If only Congress would pass such a law.
I wonder if we’d have more success passing it bottom-up? Local councils holding their state reps responsible, then states holding their federal reps responsible.
NeoAcario
That's the only way something like this would gain any traction... you and I both know it.
SSTFcreations
No.
This doesn't apply to politicians generally. It only applies to candidates during their campaign season. Comes into effect in 2030.
It includes both "lies" and "misleading statements". Watch it get weaponized and unevenly applied to tie up candidates that existing politicians don't like
DarwinsAgain
And no doubt they still get to keep their generous retirement benefits?
Rockafella83
According to JD Vance the part where he state immigrants eating dogs was an exaggeration to make voters understand the seriousness of the issue but not a lie..
Then he wined like a bitch when he was facts checked during an interview (or a debate im not sure).
At this point he shouldnt even be allowed to be in the race, and be banned for 2028
khaoselement
Yeah my gut reaction is "this is awesome" but I can totally see this getting tied up in the minutia and exact wording, and then weaponized.
4t0m1c4
I mean kind of.. the implementation of the law is convoluted, lengthy, involves a lot of referrals and can be waylaid if the election concludes before truth is asserted. It has been written so that no future authority can overturn it somehow, and I am at a loss to understand how as my brain is too small to understand. My country has a history of government waste, I see nothing changing because of this (see recent expansion of the Senedd).
MisterFluffi
Or just having no ability to enforce, most situations like this require proving someone knew what they were saying was a lie or misleading which is mostly very hard to actually prove. Alternatively can they just add may or might to the beginning of their lies and be safe like a lot of news does?
SSTFcreations
It will go to a judge in a courtroom. A defending candidate better hope the judge can set aside political bias...
Tho final judgment may not even matter. Tying up a candidate, splitting their attention, and giving their opponents rhetorical ammunition is already a punishment.
The politicians who voted on this law approved it nearly universally (only 1 'no' vote). That should be a hint they know how to wrangle it.
micicle
According to some sources, yes. Yes, they can just do that. Allegedly.
becuzz04
It's a blatant step towards fascism. The only way to determine a lie is to define the truth. And when the government holds a monopoly on the truth you get a dictator.
JohnSmithterms
Stfu. If you dont lie its not a problem.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
How could a politician survive on the truth?
MathiasGreyjoy
For politicians that's like trying to quench thirst with salt.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Interesting analogy since the only way to quench extreme dehydration is with salt.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Gatorade has entered the chat lol
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Really depends on how the law is written and the judiciary.
PorterPickUp
Yeah this will be used as a cudgel like the media tried to do with 'Fact Checking' the last two major elections.
NickRivieraMD
if it were similar to that, great. good, please do.
SomeDetroitGuy
Exactly. If this was the law in the US then anyone trying to hold Trump or Republicans accountable for their crimes would be banned for "lying" when they tell the truth that Trump doesn't like.
SonOfScubaSam
I would say it's only applicable when it comes to things that are factually one way or another, or historical inaccuracies, things like that. Anything that is opinion based or open to interpretation without an actual fact to contest it wouldn't apply really. That's the only way to apply a law like that effectively.
Primotimewaster
Which has been happening since the first time the shit stain was in office.
1stDrunkJoe
There should be consequences. Freedom of speech doesn't apply to screaming "Fire" in a crowded theater, or to stockholders' reports, lying to your boss can be considered fraud. Why is that? Because misinformation causes harm to the stakeholders and society in general.
empire161
Any time there is a “let’s arrest politicians for X” you need to automatically think “how will Republicans weaponize this against Democrats”.
There will NEVER be a good faith argument by Republicans
ninjafartball
Typical "no sauce" Imgur post. More common lately...
implosion3
I searched the text and in two seconds I came across the source on BBC. I get that it's nice to have certain etiquette in a world of misleading truths and blatant lies.. but if the pursuit of truth is so important to you maybe take the 2 seconds and look it up yourself instead of twice that time complaining about it. Don't rely on people on Imgur to be your well of knowledge ffs.. it's a place that at least was meant to be entertaining once upon a time.
ninjafartball
So you're agreeing? Then why make it about me? And if it is, just to humor you, then I'm allowed to be disapointed people on imgur don't share sauce anymore.
implosion3
To be clear I'm disagreeing with this sentiment. I personally dislike when people attempt to gate keep the way they feel things should or shouldn't be. You're allowed to feel what you want, just don't complain when things inevitably don't fit your idealized version of Imgur where people need to cite sources, credit etc. this is the internet not academia.. deal with it by down voting if you must..it's what everyone else does here.
ninjafartball
"I personally dislike when people attempt to gate keep the way they feel things should or shouldn't be." You're doing this. Complaining when things inevitably don't fit your "idealized version of Imgur", where I should "downvote if I must" instead of voicing a complaint. Trying to tell me how to live my life, literally "gatekeeping", while not adhering to your own "advice" is hypocritical garbage and pretentious posturing. Take your assertions to the toilet please, and don't forget to flush.
ufoara
ydych chi'n siŵr am hynny?
C0ZM0
Allwch chi ddim credu popeth rydych chi'n ei ddarllen yn y Glamorgan Gazette, mun.
ps238principal
It would help, but you'd need a legal definition of what a lie is.
For instance, I could see someone who wants to be in the pocket of, oh let's just pick an oligarch, Elon Musk setting up a series of people who give them talking points and supposed facts they vote for while isolating them from actual information and reality. Everything becomes their "opinion" and it becomes very hard to nail them down in court.
SinStar87
Do we count politicians saying they'll set a certain budget, but once in office find that budget infeasible with funds available so give some increase but not the promised amount?
Leonon
I'd give them a pass if they admit that they were wrong.
SinStar87
Interesting.
KuldFyt
No more than you need a legal definition of deception for a particular variety of fraud to be illegal. Which is to say, you'll need some statutory guidance, but courts and juries are capable of making the final determination without having their hands held. It becomes substantially easier (though by no means trivial) for courts to address a lie when it is a crime to lie. And if all that comes of it is that the former liars have to disclaim their most deceptive statements, it's an improvement.