ohiomarine
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Atheist truths
Help your fellow man.
Feb 13, 2016 9:32 PM
ohiomarine
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Help your fellow man.
No1v1
“Right and wrong” is subjective. If anything, God has been more consistent than man in those regards. Pre and post Christ
Unityhivemind
I'm having the same discussion with my son's dad. It always ends up in a fight.
KingDagda
One can also have faith without religion
thedarkcanuck
"Long live the king"
peteadventuresoftheboobiewatcherjones
Read this with 666 points and posted 6 hours ago...im scared /a/64ply
ohiomarine
That is pretty crazy!!
malachitedragon
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit"- Rust Cohle
No1v1
Dumb quote is dumb... (any reason) keeping a decent person decent means they’re a decent person... because decent
batteryforeverlow
/a/u6KUE
LoquaciousLizard
No shit :)
halfalime
I have VERY little empathy and relatively strong morals. My morals come from rationality, probably comparable to Kantianism.
ElbowdeepinElmo
Empathy is not always the right thing though...
IWasHereFirst
But with out religion how do I know who to hate and oppress?
RyanMcAllister
Human beings are pretty adept at that, religion not needed.
END3RW1GGIN
How is this truth? Sounds like an opinion to me. What are your reasons for saying that this is truth?
PeteTusk
All the very moral and kindly atheist people we know, for a start.
benm421
There IS a separation between religion and ethics (though not some ethical systems) but ethics doesn't require empathy.
notmannypardo
notmannypardo
Original: http://www.charlesspecht.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/how-to-influence-people.jpg
PattiMichelle
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31170723-behave
APersonWhoUsesImgur
Someone's never studied ethics.
moxymox
Or religion.
halfalime
Yeah aren't most popular moral theories based on rationality?
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
You also don't need religion to have faith.
YourMomJokes
well i guess it would be nice if i could touch your bodaay i know not everybodaay has got a body like maaay
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
Noooice!
ionfuckwitchu
You can have spirituality, morality, community, hope, and transcendent love without religion. It does no unique good and lots of unique bad.
RyanMcAllister
If a given religion is true, it certainly does a unique good: telling the truth about how things actually are.
ionfuckwitchu
Sure, if a given religion was true. But religion makes extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence which is sorely lacking.
RyanMcAllister
How would you define "extraordinary"
ionfuckwitchu
Extraordinary evidence? Lets start with the books. I mean, the fact that I could improve the Bible or the Quran in seconds is pretty damning
ionfuckwitchu
These are supposed to be the greatest books ever written, and yet in terms of morality and explaining the world they are deeply flawed.
RyanMcAllister
I'm still unsure if your definition bc there is this extraordinary claim that extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary evidence but>>
RyanMcAllister
>>>there seems to be no extraordinary evidence to back it up...just common sense. So, doesn't this claim refute itself?
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
I want to type out an educated response as to how fucking wrong you are, but I only have 140 characters, so *tipping intensifies*
NextineX
On which part? His past sentence is absolutely true. There is no good religion can do, that cannot be done in a secular way.
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
The part of them doing unique bad. The idea that most religious people, or even a minute fraction, cause evil is asinine.
ionfuckwitchu
Is it though? Belief that you hold the unique truth, belief in paradise and martyrdom, none of these seem dangerous to you?
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
Throw a dart at the map, pick the nearest church, and visit it. I guarantee you the people there are kind and peaceful, moreso than you.
NextineX
Religion is one of the few things that can make good people do bad things, while still thinking they're doing good. Maybe not the only thing
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
That doesn't mean it's ubiquitous. There's lots of forms of evil in the world.
Heavymettle
Most "religious" people have no idea what actual religion is. Martin Luther King Jr and Sir Isaac Newton did and are my heroes.
CH83
Real talk bro. Real talk.
ameki
Skycake
checksandbalancesplease
Completely agree.
tomhark
also one of two things may happen here. bottom person gets helped up,or top person gets dragged down.
BrennyTheBear
Atheists truths.
Maschinensohn
Works until you realize that most people are selfish and blame "arbitrary morality" for judging their shitty behavior toward others.
TGWeaver
I have not ever met anyone who uses moral relativity/arbitrary morality to justify their actions. I would not assume "most people" do.
RyanMcAllister
You've never heard someone says, "that's okay for you but for me..."
DavidBrooker
One of the most egregious uses of 'most' I've ever seen.
DarthROFLs
Plus if you're only doing something because of what retribution the Sky Man might visit upon you, I doubt religion gave you morals either
doyouevenusername
Following the "Sky Man" is (should be) in pursuit of finding out what is right, to do what is right. Religious or not, this is a hard task.
ohiomarine
It's sky cake - Patton Oswald.
ShadyBuddha
Oh sky cake... Why are you so delicious!!
KnockemD
Pow, right in the christians.
ohiomarine
I'll admit. I loled!
KnockemD
Getting downvoted by religious people, I'm not even mad. ,)
cklepper
If I've learned one thing from my ethics teacher, it's that you can justify almost anything using one school of thought or another.
picklesandwich27
Difference between argue a justification and to justify. Take logic also ;)
cklepper
Damn son, replying on a 5 month old comment?
kahlzun
It's the new teen craze, sweeping the nation!
picklesandwich27
Haha yeah. I was so happy to read someone who was into ethics I had to suggest more philosophy! Haha
gordonisnext
As long as you have a code, a man's got to have a code
Staffo92
Up up down down left right left right b a
TheEdmontonMan
Mine is "Everything in moderation". So often I see people online say "I never/always do this or that",But you really gotta make the (1/2)
TheEdmontonMan
best decision, not the same one you always do based on the situation. (2/2)
dazedAndConfusedToo
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
splitkc
Preach it, some intellectuals consider atheism a religion
END3RW1GGIN
It is a religion. They can't prove that God doesn't exist any more than I can prove he does. Both take faith in a belief.
NextineX
Congrats, you've fallen for a bullshit definition of atheism. Atheists don't try to, nor are they required, to prove there is no god.
WackTheHorld
No it isn't. You are a-unicorn. Do you practice a religion according to that?
IntellectualTerrorist
Not exatly, it's... "There's no reason to believe god exists, therefore I don't". Just like you don't believe in the easter bunny.
SAWhowhatnow
Atheism doesn't posit that God doesn't exist. Atheism is merely a lack in a belief in a god or gods.
splitkc
Right, if I tell you there is a tea pot on the other side of Mars, how you gunna prove me right, how you gunna prove me wrong..
END3RW1GGIN
Fly to Mars and see.
NextineX
The point is what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You don't need to disprove something to disbelieve it.
CrackOpenAnotherBottleOfBaileys
Atheism isn't the declaration of no God, it is saying the evidence put forward isn't sufficient so therefore it isn't accepted
CrackOpenAnotherBottleOfBaileys
The burden or proof is still on those making the claim there is a gpd
ebonfever
Exactly
ebonfever
You should read up on this thing called the burden of proof. It's pretty nifty
END3RW1GGIN
That's my point. They say that because there is no proof He doesn't exist. I have proof that they won't accept because they assume God 1/2
END3RW1GGIN
Doesn't exist. Everyone has somthing at the core of their being that they only know because of faith. I just admit it.
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
More agnostic, so I have a certain respect for both sides, and I don't think that science and spiritually have to be at odds with each 3/?
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
exists for you. Thats fine, but is that proof scientifically measurable? Is it provable objectively? Let me say that I'm not an atheist 2/?
HypnotoadIRL
A lack of belief is not a claim in the opposition. Atheists don't believe a claim. They don't claim that there is no god.
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
faith is about belief and personal experience. I think with quantum physics we're learning just how much our subjective experience and 5/?
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
other. It is a charged discussion. I believe the reason for this is it's simply too subjective. Science is about empirical evidence, 4//
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
objective reality is connected, how our consciousness can affect the nature of matter at the smallest levels. That's exciting to me. 6/6
IntellectualTerrorist
Grats on choosing a random belief and admitting it's arbitrary, yet sticking to it, I guess. Yay you...
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
It's really not about assumptions, it's actually about avoiding assumtions. You have your subjective experience which may prove that God 1/?