Aug 15, 2022 12:00 PM
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#discussion #politics #donald_trump #maga #uspolitics
WhatzitTooya
Let me get this straight: You want sincere answers from people that vote for a party build on fear-mongering and lies?
pkevinwells2000
The problem is Trumpism exists independently of Trump now. It doesn’t matter what he does. He’s the projection of their ideals.
TrueLegateDamar
Support AOC as President for 2024
idrinkcheapbeer
A lovely thought, but the right might hate her more than Hillary.
ijustmadeanaccounttoargue
If he transitioned to a woman that would probably do it for most of them.
km3000
They turned on him when he started promoting vaccines.
mikeatike
Then immediately went to "the deep state forced him to say it"
dendiverdown
I don’t think a Trump supporter will understand what “hypothetical” even means
OseaDidNothingWrong
My uncle once said 'actual treason' would be the breaking point but here we are and he still sings Donnie's praises. @Birdshateme is right.
Rainbowdaesh
Two dudes at the same time?
BlueWaffleToaster
No such line. Trump is nothing more than a figure that legitimises their xenophobia, bigotry and hate. He is a reflection of their ideals.
DickMcStiffens
I have been saying this for so long.
DustinDawind
"Run as a Democrat", probably
orbitn
Which, didn't he do that in the early 00s?
notYourMother14
I feel of he stopped being racist and respected women and generally acted like a decent human being I feel his base would lose their respect
ditbujin
I think the issue isn't what Trump did, but what they believe Trump did. Most I've met have a weird take on every single incident.
elyssaaa
I mean, I'm interested in knowing. It would probably have to be something like supporting immigrants, abortion, or restricting guns.
SteveMND
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
There needs to be one like this with the Benny Hill theme and them moving it every which-a-way. Because that’s what trumpers are doing.
MapleSyrupMafia
Qanon installed a Cummins diesel engine on theirs since they were tired of constantly moving it manually.
shinagami091
See also:
DunnowForgot
Hah, nice gif for that metaphor.
SmokyDoggg
I hope he never kills anybody because then they'll have tomake MURDER legal just so he doesn't get in troube
SomeDetroitGuy
He bragged on TV that he ordered the murder of an American citizen as retribution.
wambu
SvenskaApacheGermanMex73
The problem is there is no line. If he gets caught it’s a witch hunt, fake news or someone else’s fault. Same answer every damn time.
E1evenChar1ie
Can you imagine what his supporters would do if he admitted everything was BS as part of a plea deal? Would they all come back to reality?
SmashySashimi
That would probably be the one time they’d say he lied. Or another of his “jokes”.
3141592pancake
No, they'd find some way to rationalize it. Being caught with sensitive docs didn't make them reevaluate, him being honest wouldn't either.
TheSilverSeraph
Nah. It is like Alex Jones admitting Sandy Hook was real in court. His fans stayed in denial, saying he was “forced” to say those thing
DrewK98
And Fox said in court that no reasonable person would believe them. Their viewers know that *that* was the lie.
SeasonedCitizen
There is no line for them.
Im actually wondering if they’ve ever even paused to think about it or if they’re so focused on defending. Like maybe they haven’t zoomedout
mycatsings
It`s hard to argue with a cult member. Facts mean nothing to them.
"owning the libs" is all they care about
peedrinkingcrapface
yep. when i press my republican ppl on this they just start frothing about Clintons, Soroses, Deep State, Taxed-To-Death, Inflation etc.
Yep. Or they start spouting false info from the right wing conspiracy sites
lol always some magic bullet bombshell like THE CARLOTTA JONES DOSSIER that the mainstream media wont publish
samanthadlcruz
pretty sure as long as he keeps up his racist, homophobic, islamaphobic and misogyny game he won't lose a single supporter.
Vigale
Why would any trump supporter reply to this? they are just going to get heavily downvoted no matter what they say.
you feel like fear of losing internet points is more a deterrent for them than say, commuting a felony like participating in insurrection?
Committing*
wandermanspacebot
Sounds like we got one. Where's the line, MAGA?
...I'm English.
Top of the mornin' to ye, guvna.
You want me to fly over and apply for citizenship so I can vote in an election that happened 6 years ago or what?
Honestly, the ones that are vocal seem to take downvotes as a badge of pride.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I've seen some answer and be awarded points for honesty, but 95% hide in the shadows because they have no good answer.
Thispostisaboutacat
Well, it’s not adultery, blackmailing, sexual harassment, sexual assault, adultery again, espionage, grifting, lying, defrauding charities,
KryoXekto
I mean, this is the question that you ask before 2016, anyone that supports him post 2020 is basically in a religion at this point.
redtails2649
He has no lines. He implied he’s love to bang his daughter, if he hasn’t already
wadenelson1
If Donald Trump were to repent, truly admit ALL his sins, beg forgiveness of God and this nation - nobody would believe him. He speaks lies
danwar123
God would believe him if it was truthful, as through Christ, all is forgiven. But it would be for the best for no mortal man to.
Jesus didn't go around trying to get Pharisees to repent. A few did of their own volition.
TheDeathstick
He’s never apologized or admitted to making a mistake ever, and I don’t think he ever will.
With 25,000+ lies during his reign, he is truly the "Father of All Lies" spoken of in the Bible.
His followers are powerless to his lies. Entranced. Bewitched. Brainwashed. They worship Satan.
Birdshateme
The answer will change once he crosses that line. It's really a moving target.
Inarticulated
It's like the bunny robot thing in greyhound racing. Catch it if you can~
Greenwaxy
Or they’d simply insist “that’s fake news”.
Fedotia
It's not about supporting a politician, it's about owning the libs. Their guru did worse than Hillary's buttery males but they dont care.
eastend666
Correct.
TheGrapes
TheMadOnion
Rare undocumented footage of a republican in it's natural habitat.
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
ExTechOp
If you are unable to think of any such answer about your Dear Leader, you are a part of his personality cult.
gromolko
Regardless the answer, chances are he did it already and they chose to ignore it.
Rand Paul: If he's guilty of espionnage, let's take that law out.
Lienus
This is the second time I’ve seen this. Did he really say that?
DartTarget13
Sadly.
Thanks to everyone who replied. I’m gonna go scream into a pillow now.
straightoutofcollagen
We're working hard in KY to vote him out in Nov. Donate to Charles Booker if you can.
secondtalon
https://sports.yahoo.com/rand-paul-calls-repeal-espionage-115011151.html
https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1558579480171614209
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/15/1117457622/rand-paul-what-is-espionage-act-repeal
chunguswangus
In those words? No. In shockingly similar words that amount to the same thing? Yuuuuup
HighLordRegentofChaos
Nah, if he ever worked to improve the lives of people they'd drop him.
shuttlecockinakumquat
This is actually true. They started to turn on him when he originally was pushing the vaccine and masks. That's why he turned on Fauci.
xdeadfishx
They boo'd him when he said to take the vaccine! He personally hand made each vaccine, it and they still don't want it..
PsistormIkura
Him moving one milimeter to the left (aka still on the extreme right but less so), they'd drop him faster than the speed of sound.
He got vaccinated, which is apparently a political statement in this country, and he still has lots of supporters. I doubt it.
wheresthehill
I don’t know. It would have to be a fraction of an inch, none of that foreign measuring crap.
theothermeisnthere
Maybe 3/16? I can't find mine; maybe he has it.
5/128” is 0.99mm.
mstanley123
Not a supporter but also not a hater of him, but for me the last straw was his rejection of a peaceful transition of power post-election.
That makes sense
Mack1986
So your totally cool with 25 accusations of sexual assault, and purposely walking in on half dressed underage girls? Cool cool cool
TheeRealDuke
Don't forget the race baiting and blatant bigotry.
I took the question to be about politics and not personal character.
fractalsphere
Recently confronted a long-time friend about this very thing. He refuses to stop voting R even tho he 'disagrees' with white-power groups &
Zorklunn
Yup along with the other 58% of white men, because (get this) they don't want the Dems to increase their taxes.
SnarfyMcSnarferson
Then he by extension is a white supremacist
Does he disagree tho? Every "I'm not racist" trumpette I have seen or heard from is "I'm not racist, but non whites should be second class"
..supposedly doesn't care if you're gay or trans. But won't face facts about his contributions to the harm against some people.
ucandcantunc
lemme guess, hea a gun nut.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Maybe convince your friend to "protest vote" by writing in a name or voting but NOT casting a vote for GOP?
Fastjack2056
They've been brainwashed into believing the Liberals are somehow worse in every way, and so no matter what, the GOP is the lesser evil.
You're supposed to get rid of Nazis https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/hsiisw/kicking_a_nazi_out_as_soon_as_they_walk_in/
News flash your friend does believe in WP groups and is anti a whole bunch of people.
Oh, it's no shock to me. We broke up as friends a while back - he tried to get back in touch and I buried him with facts about his votes.
paintingagency
"I won't personally burn crosses or bash gays. But I will readily vote for people who will."
Falkh12
#notracistbutwithracists
godofhorizons
Try this: https://www.isidewith.com
Good link!
IHaveUnpopularOpinions
94%, Pete Buttigieg
That’s great. Just remember to retake it if he drops out of the general election
Not an US citizen, mostly checked the site out of curiosity. But, it would seem that Pete has some good values, hope he sticks with them!
CargoManshark
Seeing as there's always a conspiracy when Trump is caught doing wrong or they just yell "fake news" there isn't a line to cross. 1/2
In their eyes he's done nothing wrong. It's a liberals or deep state lies planting evidence, witch hunts and so on. 2/2
Gestalt7
The documents, which I totally declassified, but shouldn't have been classified, were totally planted by the FBI while I recorded it on CCTV
But, I can't share the footage because it is under audit. Now I need your money so we can complete this audit and take down the evil FBI,
and it's evil, life-long Republican directory, which I installed, who was totally the best choice but is now a Liberal loser...
This is it. They either say that every other politician does it or Trump didn't actually do it or it's not that bad, really. It doesn't
matter if it's the dozens of women and girls who accused him of rape, it doesn't matter that he bragged on TV that he peeps on contestants
changing at his Miss USA and Miss Teen USA pageants (including children) and that it was corroborated by dozens of witnesses, it doesn't
matter that there was a witness who swore under oath she saw Trump rape a child with Epstein, it doesn't matter that he bragged on tape of
grabbing women by the pussy - and that's just the sexual assault, rape, and related stuff. Then there's the obstruciton of justice, the
mistermixelpix
When he said "take the guns," a TON of people nearly jumped ship. So the answer is, he'd have to do something liberal.
Simusar
There almost was a riot when he asked people to get vaxed
kayakninjas
He got boos for suggesting that people take the vaccine, so that's maybe something? Backed off immediately, though.
ageek3000
He's constantly trying out new material and quickly cutting the stuff that doesn't fly. A good entertainer does that. A good political ...
finds a better way to explain the hard truths that are needed to improve society. Policy will not always be popular.
pictory
nearly
kakari
Sadly a bunch did when his ATF banned bumpstocks. Sadly because they went deeper Q/fascist.
Ranb40
I could not find a single person who admitted to leaving Trump after the bump stock ban and the "take the guns 1st" insanity.
No one confessed to it and they all came back, but the subreddit nearly imploded
OK, I'm not much of a reddit user. So did anyone reject Trump after his anti-gun actions and statements?
Ninjainslippers
Yep. If he suddenly came out in favor of raising taxes and socialized medicine, gun control, Qanon denial and pro-abortion, he'd be dead.
GQPisadeathcult
Meh….
astrangehop
He got booed when he said to get the vaccine
His tax law changes made my taxes go up. It only affected a small percentage of us though... just the right income bracket with just the...
right mortgage interest tax deductions. I'm sure it was carefully calculated to not affect too many republicans.
BornToDoStuff
No no, its not about what he ACTUALLY does. Just what he SAYS he does. He said he lowered people's taxes, so they like him.
He would have to SAY he is raising taxes, but they might still be okay with it if he can somehow sell them about it being to fight china.
I agree. Although taxes isn't a good example since he actually did do that for most people.
WhatzitTooya
Let me get this straight: You want sincere answers from people that vote for a party build on fear-mongering and lies?
pkevinwells2000
The problem is Trumpism exists independently of Trump now. It doesn’t matter what he does. He’s the projection of their ideals.
TrueLegateDamar
Support AOC as President for 2024
idrinkcheapbeer
A lovely thought, but the right might hate her more than Hillary.
ijustmadeanaccounttoargue
If he transitioned to a woman that would probably do it for most of them.
km3000
They turned on him when he started promoting vaccines.
mikeatike
Then immediately went to "the deep state forced him to say it"
dendiverdown
I don’t think a Trump supporter will understand what “hypothetical” even means
OseaDidNothingWrong
My uncle once said 'actual treason' would be the breaking point but here we are and he still sings Donnie's praises. @Birdshateme is right.
Rainbowdaesh
Two dudes at the same time?
BlueWaffleToaster
No such line. Trump is nothing more than a figure that legitimises their xenophobia, bigotry and hate. He is a reflection of their ideals.
DickMcStiffens
I have been saying this for so long.
DustinDawind
"Run as a Democrat", probably
orbitn
Which, didn't he do that in the early 00s?
notYourMother14
I feel of he stopped being racist and respected women and generally acted like a decent human being I feel his base would lose their respect
ditbujin
I think the issue isn't what Trump did, but what they believe Trump did. Most I've met have a weird take on every single incident.
elyssaaa
I mean, I'm interested in knowing. It would probably have to be something like supporting immigrants, abortion, or restricting guns.
SteveMND
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
There needs to be one like this with the Benny Hill theme and them moving it every which-a-way. Because that’s what trumpers are doing.
MapleSyrupMafia
Qanon installed a Cummins diesel engine on theirs since they were tired of constantly moving it manually.
shinagami091
See also:
DunnowForgot
Hah, nice gif for that metaphor.
SmokyDoggg
I hope he never kills anybody because then they'll have tomake MURDER legal just so he doesn't get in troube
SomeDetroitGuy
He bragged on TV that he ordered the murder of an American citizen as retribution.
wambu
SvenskaApacheGermanMex73
The problem is there is no line. If he gets caught it’s a witch hunt, fake news or someone else’s fault. Same answer every damn time.
E1evenChar1ie
Can you imagine what his supporters would do if he admitted everything was BS as part of a plea deal? Would they all come back to reality?
SmashySashimi
That would probably be the one time they’d say he lied. Or another of his “jokes”.
3141592pancake
No, they'd find some way to rationalize it. Being caught with sensitive docs didn't make them reevaluate, him being honest wouldn't either.
TheSilverSeraph
Nah. It is like Alex Jones admitting Sandy Hook was real in court. His fans stayed in denial, saying he was “forced” to say those thing
DrewK98
And Fox said in court that no reasonable person would believe them. Their viewers know that *that* was the lie.
SeasonedCitizen
There is no line for them.
ekacsyawlatonsti
Im actually wondering if they’ve ever even paused to think about it or if they’re so focused on defending. Like maybe they haven’t zoomedout
mycatsings
It`s hard to argue with a cult member. Facts mean nothing to them.
mycatsings
"owning the libs" is all they care about
peedrinkingcrapface
yep. when i press my republican ppl on this they just start frothing about Clintons, Soroses, Deep State, Taxed-To-Death, Inflation etc.
mycatsings
Yep. Or they start spouting false info from the right wing conspiracy sites
peedrinkingcrapface
lol always some magic bullet bombshell like THE CARLOTTA JONES DOSSIER that the mainstream media wont publish
samanthadlcruz
pretty sure as long as he keeps up his racist, homophobic, islamaphobic and misogyny game he won't lose a single supporter.
Vigale
Why would any trump supporter reply to this? they are just going to get heavily downvoted no matter what they say.
ekacsyawlatonsti
you feel like fear of losing internet points is more a deterrent for them than say, commuting a felony like participating in insurrection?
ekacsyawlatonsti
Committing*
wandermanspacebot
Sounds like we got one. Where's the line, MAGA?
Vigale
...I'm English.
wandermanspacebot
Top of the mornin' to ye, guvna.
Vigale
You want me to fly over and apply for citizenship so I can vote in an election that happened 6 years ago or what?
wandermanspacebot
SmashySashimi
Honestly, the ones that are vocal seem to take downvotes as a badge of pride.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I've seen some answer and be awarded points for honesty, but 95% hide in the shadows because they have no good answer.
Thispostisaboutacat
Well, it’s not adultery, blackmailing, sexual harassment, sexual assault, adultery again, espionage, grifting, lying, defrauding charities,
KryoXekto
I mean, this is the question that you ask before 2016, anyone that supports him post 2020 is basically in a religion at this point.
redtails2649
He has no lines. He implied he’s love to bang his daughter, if he hasn’t already
wadenelson1
If Donald Trump were to repent, truly admit ALL his sins, beg forgiveness of God and this nation - nobody would believe him. He speaks lies
danwar123
God would believe him if it was truthful, as through Christ, all is forgiven. But it would be for the best for no mortal man to.
wadenelson1
Jesus didn't go around trying to get Pharisees to repent. A few did of their own volition.
SteveMND
TheDeathstick
He’s never apologized or admitted to making a mistake ever, and I don’t think he ever will.
wadenelson1
With 25,000+ lies during his reign, he is truly the "Father of All Lies" spoken of in the Bible.
wadenelson1
His followers are powerless to his lies. Entranced. Bewitched. Brainwashed. They worship Satan.
Birdshateme
The answer will change once he crosses that line. It's really a moving target.
Inarticulated
It's like the bunny robot thing in greyhound racing. Catch it if you can~
Greenwaxy
Or they’d simply insist “that’s fake news”.
Fedotia
It's not about supporting a politician, it's about owning the libs. Their guru did worse than Hillary's buttery males but they dont care.
eastend666
Correct.
TheGrapes
TheMadOnion
Rare undocumented footage of a republican in it's natural habitat.
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
ExTechOp
If you are unable to think of any such answer about your Dear Leader, you are a part of his personality cult.
gromolko
Regardless the answer, chances are he did it already and they chose to ignore it.
MapleSyrupMafia
Rand Paul: If he's guilty of espionnage, let's take that law out.
Lienus
This is the second time I’ve seen this. Did he really say that?
DartTarget13
Sadly.
Lienus
Thanks to everyone who replied. I’m gonna go scream into a pillow now.
straightoutofcollagen
We're working hard in KY to vote him out in Nov. Donate to Charles Booker if you can.
secondtalon
https://sports.yahoo.com/rand-paul-calls-repeal-espionage-115011151.html
secondtalon
https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1558579480171614209
secondtalon
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/15/1117457622/rand-paul-what-is-espionage-act-repeal
chunguswangus
In those words? No. In shockingly similar words that amount to the same thing? Yuuuuup
HighLordRegentofChaos
Nah, if he ever worked to improve the lives of people they'd drop him.
shuttlecockinakumquat
This is actually true. They started to turn on him when he originally was pushing the vaccine and masks. That's why he turned on Fauci.
xdeadfishx
They boo'd him when he said to take the vaccine! He personally hand made each vaccine, it and they still don't want it..
PsistormIkura
Him moving one milimeter to the left (aka still on the extreme right but less so), they'd drop him faster than the speed of sound.
danwar123
He got vaccinated, which is apparently a political statement in this country, and he still has lots of supporters. I doubt it.
wheresthehill
I don’t know. It would have to be a fraction of an inch, none of that foreign measuring crap.
theothermeisnthere
Maybe 3/16? I can't find mine; maybe he has it.
wheresthehill
5/128” is 0.99mm.
mstanley123
Not a supporter but also not a hater of him, but for me the last straw was his rejection of a peaceful transition of power post-election.
ekacsyawlatonsti
That makes sense
Mack1986
So your totally cool with 25 accusations of sexual assault, and purposely walking in on half dressed underage girls? Cool cool cool
TheeRealDuke
Don't forget the race baiting and blatant bigotry.
mstanley123
I took the question to be about politics and not personal character.
fractalsphere
Recently confronted a long-time friend about this very thing. He refuses to stop voting R even tho he 'disagrees' with white-power groups &
Zorklunn
Yup along with the other 58% of white men, because (get this) they don't want the Dems to increase their taxes.
SnarfyMcSnarferson
Then he by extension is a white supremacist
mikeatike
Does he disagree tho? Every "I'm not racist" trumpette I have seen or heard from is "I'm not racist, but non whites should be second class"
fractalsphere
..supposedly doesn't care if you're gay or trans. But won't face facts about his contributions to the harm against some people.
ucandcantunc
lemme guess, hea a gun nut.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Maybe convince your friend to "protest vote" by writing in a name or voting but NOT casting a vote for GOP?
Fastjack2056
They've been brainwashed into believing the Liberals are somehow worse in every way, and so no matter what, the GOP is the lesser evil.
ExTechOp
You're supposed to get rid of Nazis https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/hsiisw/kicking_a_nazi_out_as_soon_as_they_walk_in/
pkevinwells2000
News flash your friend does believe in WP groups and is anti a whole bunch of people.
fractalsphere
Oh, it's no shock to me. We broke up as friends a while back - he tried to get back in touch and I buried him with facts about his votes.
paintingagency
"I won't personally burn crosses or bash gays. But I will readily vote for people who will."
Falkh12
#notracistbutwithracists
godofhorizons
Try this: https://www.isidewith.com
fractalsphere
Good link!
IHaveUnpopularOpinions
94%, Pete Buttigieg
godofhorizons
That’s great. Just remember to retake it if he drops out of the general election
IHaveUnpopularOpinions
Not an US citizen, mostly checked the site out of curiosity. But, it would seem that Pete has some good values, hope he sticks with them!
CargoManshark
Seeing as there's always a conspiracy when Trump is caught doing wrong or they just yell "fake news" there isn't a line to cross. 1/2
CargoManshark
In their eyes he's done nothing wrong. It's a liberals or deep state lies planting evidence, witch hunts and so on. 2/2
Gestalt7
The documents, which I totally declassified, but shouldn't have been classified, were totally planted by the FBI while I recorded it on CCTV
Gestalt7
But, I can't share the footage because it is under audit. Now I need your money so we can complete this audit and take down the evil FBI,
Gestalt7
and it's evil, life-long Republican directory, which I installed, who was totally the best choice but is now a Liberal loser...
SomeDetroitGuy
This is it. They either say that every other politician does it or Trump didn't actually do it or it's not that bad, really. It doesn't
SomeDetroitGuy
matter if it's the dozens of women and girls who accused him of rape, it doesn't matter that he bragged on TV that he peeps on contestants
SomeDetroitGuy
changing at his Miss USA and Miss Teen USA pageants (including children) and that it was corroborated by dozens of witnesses, it doesn't
SomeDetroitGuy
matter that there was a witness who swore under oath she saw Trump rape a child with Epstein, it doesn't matter that he bragged on tape of
SomeDetroitGuy
grabbing women by the pussy - and that's just the sexual assault, rape, and related stuff. Then there's the obstruciton of justice, the
mistermixelpix
When he said "take the guns," a TON of people nearly jumped ship. So the answer is, he'd have to do something liberal.
Simusar
There almost was a riot when he asked people to get vaxed
kayakninjas
He got boos for suggesting that people take the vaccine, so that's maybe something? Backed off immediately, though.
ageek3000
He's constantly trying out new material and quickly cutting the stuff that doesn't fly. A good entertainer does that. A good political ...
ageek3000
finds a better way to explain the hard truths that are needed to improve society. Policy will not always be popular.
pictory
nearly
kakari
Sadly a bunch did when his ATF banned bumpstocks. Sadly because they went deeper Q/fascist.
Ranb40
I could not find a single person who admitted to leaving Trump after the bump stock ban and the "take the guns 1st" insanity.
mistermixelpix
No one confessed to it and they all came back, but the subreddit nearly imploded
Ranb40
OK, I'm not much of a reddit user. So did anyone reject Trump after his anti-gun actions and statements?
Ninjainslippers
Yep. If he suddenly came out in favor of raising taxes and socialized medicine, gun control, Qanon denial and pro-abortion, he'd be dead.
GQPisadeathcult
Meh….
astrangehop
He got booed when he said to get the vaccine
ageek3000
His tax law changes made my taxes go up. It only affected a small percentage of us though... just the right income bracket with just the...
ageek3000
right mortgage interest tax deductions. I'm sure it was carefully calculated to not affect too many republicans.
BornToDoStuff
No no, its not about what he ACTUALLY does. Just what he SAYS he does. He said he lowered people's taxes, so they like him.
BornToDoStuff
He would have to SAY he is raising taxes, but they might still be okay with it if he can somehow sell them about it being to fight china.
ageek3000
I agree. Although taxes isn't a good example since he actually did do that for most people.