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Diego Luna tweeted this.
Jan 4, 2017 5:15 AM
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NOINITIATIVE
as a latino I'm proud that we've got badasses like Cassian Andor and Poe Dameron representing us in rebel alliance
Knapaholic
As far as I'm concerned, we're always going to be in Mexico's debt for Salma Hayak.
entropyk
I need to see a villain with the Muppets Swedish Chef accent, please.
ProudAussie
old my son to see it today, thought this character was French. My bad.
pyr666
and then everyone clapped.
RandoCalrizzian
And his dad asked for three fiddy, (or 74.70 pesos)
Wuhaa
That's nice and all, but at what point did the dad beat him with jumper cables?
Blue4Five
Mu Italian grandparents did their best to learn, then clean up, their English for the country they chose to reside in. Not sure about this.
amanditabonita
I have the hots for Diego Luna, and Geal Garcia Bernal. Love me some Mexicans
fivesausages
same
ByronicFool
They make out in Y Tu Mamá También
amanditabonita
Yes! I love that film
ByronicFool
One of the guys who wrote that also made Rudo y Cursi. Luna and Bernal play brothers in that. They don't make out so much in that one...
sammyismycat
Ay Papi's! <3
facelessshadows96
This guy has clearly never seen Nacho Libre
PhailRaptor
"Representation matters". Right up until it becomes enforced. Then it's not representation anymore, but quota filling. Which is bad.
ShowALK
I had exactly this conversation with a few people at work today.
simo11
I think the way things currently are, appropriate representation cannot occur without it being forced to some degree. The characters in...
simo11
...Rogue One were undoubtedly cast to be diverse, entirely consciously. Films like this need to set a precedent, and then eventually it...
simo11
...will no longer feel forced. Diversity in Hollywood can't happen naturally because Hollywood is by its very nature racist.
kindsoberandfullydressed
I don't think it's inherently bad. I think some people won't get the point of why/how representation matters, so the plopping a minority 1/?
kindsoberandfullydressed
2/ character in w/o giving them depth/personality beyond that characteristic can lead to awkward storytelling, but that in itself provides
kindsoberandfullydressed
3/ us with "bad examples" and therefore concrete examples to which we can refer in our ongoing dialogue as we progress. That has value.
kindsoberandfullydressed
4/4 I don't think we should assess things so B&W, as if they can only succeed/fail as a work of art. Everything is a great convo piece.
Kierbear2g
I'll bet $5 Phail is white.
OSCgal
Only $5?
Kierbear2g
I'm not made of money.
ISuperBelieveInYouTadCooper
I want to be your internet friend based on these two comments alone. :D
TinfoilHatGuy0
The movie did great in paying respects to the old film. The diverse cast in this film helped overseas but it to me made the film a more <1>
TinfoilHatGuy0
<2> diverse galaxy.
DaBearGuy
Representation matters up until we gut movies/plots/characters just for the sake of diversity. Diego Luna was phenomenal, but other 1/2
DaBearGuy
times when we completely rewrite things to feature those kinds of things, the people usually manage to jack it up. Ghost busters anyone?
eloquince
I didnt know Diego Luna was famous-er now. I only know him from a guilty pleasure movie I used to watch "Y Tu Mama Tambien" in which you
eloquince
get to see him get sexyyyy mmmmMMM
FizzleBurger
I'm suddenly wondering how people in Star Wars can have Mexican or British accents in a galaxy that doesn't have a Mexico or Britain.
FizzleBurger
I have the same confusion as to where the people with American accents came from, but I couldn't fit "or America" in the character limit.
Haackv2
Because the actors are humans from the planet earth
rockgolf
I did the same for my Canadian dad with Deadpool.
Rickredful
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
We need windows to see outside our own experiences but also mirrors to see ourselves reflected (in movies, books, etc.) like your dad saw.
TheCorgiTeaTime
That's a lovely way of putting it.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
Thanks - not original to me though! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gregory-michie/on-the-importance-of-mirr_b_5604494.html
OSCgal
And the mirror for his dad is a window for those of us who aren't Latino.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
Yes, good point!
monkeymuffins
It was nice for me to see half-Asian characters in Big Hero 6~ :)
JerryManTheBrown
I honestly thought that guy was french during the whole film.
WinchesterTavern
Me three!
GavinScreaming
Yepppp
Ultimatekazookid2718
My dad freaking did too? and after I told him he was Mexican he still didn't believe me.
WeylandYutaniCorp
Me four
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
I thought he was spanish.
FernGullysDick
Also known as Juan Solo
TrumpsBigHealthyPenis
dubowski
Juan Cholo*
gmccollum
Huh. I didn't even notice it.
eetsumkaus
it's because everyone in the Rogue One squad has some atypical accent or skin color. It's supposed to show diversity
PixelPixie007
Me either.
cadaniels
Isn't that a good thing? If it didn't affect how you enjoyed the movie, then the actor did a fine job despite not being a "typical lead."
GnrGruntfuttock
It's nice to have talented actors in good movies. Actors shoehorned in for the sake of virtue signaling is bollocks (see 'Ghostbusters')
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
And the one character working a blue collar job with little academic education... was the black woman.
GnrGruntfuttock
The sound of crashing irony is yet to subside
thrownawayasianguy
Now if only Asians got serious roles outside of stereotypical ones
CoolDud3
AVoiceOfReason
Fast Five
thrownawayasianguy
Sure but I'd argue Asians are one of the demographics that has the least amount of exposure in Hollywood mostly limited to stereotypes.
Doopapotamus
Jiang Wen's inclusion as Baze was great. He wasn't: camp gay, a nerd, a martial artist, penis punchline, social bumbler, etc. Great role.
Kimiroko
But in Rogue One, they had the Hong Kong dude. I thought that was purty cool.
Doopapotamus
Liked him, but still stereotypical. Asian men aren't all monkish martial artists. I liked Wen's character more as he's a "normal" dude."
FullMetalBitch
I still don't get why they couldn't get an Asian dude for Edge of Tomorrow, Tom Cruise was way too old for the roll anyhow.
ThankGodIts2017
I totally agree with you but the directed approached them b/c he wanted an international cast and they both are massive stars 1/?
jaminjimmyjames
Also because China wouldn't allow the film to be released in there if they didn't have Chinese actors in the roles.
ThankGodIts2017
I hadnt seen that. I know studios will add a Chinese actor to keep the country happy but I had not heard of it being a demand for release.
jaminjimmyjames
They're making more demands now that they have more buying power in the middle class. https://youtu.be/8R-FQTY4KJk
ThankGodIts2017
Yen has spoken about how he created the character with the director. He used his martial skills and faith in development of the role 2/?
ThankGodIts2017
He said casting him and NOT using his skills would have been inconceivable. I totally agree that Hollywood makes racial stereotypes 3/4
ThankGodIts2017
and it needs to be addressed, but in this case I think they showed Yen (and Jiang) playing roles they enjoy. 4/4 :)
thrownawayasianguy
Oh werd my criticism isn't for this movie in particular I thought they did a good job of diversity but more so in a broad sense of Hollywood
KharnApproves
I mean, did you see Rogue One? The asian dude in it was fucking awesome.
ISuperBelieveInYouTadCooper
If you're unfamiliar with Donnie Yen ("the asian dude" you're referring to), please go watch Ip Man 1-3. He IS awesome!
turdferguson7151
He was awesome but still stereotypical. Not all Asians are monks and martial artists
eetsumkaus
I think that has more to do with Donnie Yen being Donnie Yen rather than him being Asian. Have you seen a movie where he WASN'T typecast?
KaneVel
"The asian dude" There were two of them.
Kierbear2g
I mean can you call an old married couple 2 people?
eetsumkaus
Jiang Wen was ok. Donnie Yen was a stereotypical role because he was fucking Donnie Yen and seeing him lay out stormtroopers is hype as fuck
ravenfreak
Yeah, Donnie Yen's roll kinda pissed me off cause of how stereotypical he seemed.
eetsumkaus
honestly if the movie didn't have Donnie Yen being Donnie Yen in the Star Wars universe, I'd have been disappointed tbh
ravenfreak
If the movie ended up like Force Awakens, I'd demand my money back.
willowhoot
Diego Diego Luna.
eetsumkaus
dammit Luna Luna
mushroombirdornaments
MRW when
KaneVel
At least it's not Luna Luna.
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
bananafats1
Bravo.
Clutchhole
Most Mexican name ever.
Darkivan64
* San Pablo Juan Rodriguez
thekarlnator
* Hernadez Guadalupe
Darkivan64
* Jose Maria Gonzales Contreras
thekarlnator
* De la Rosa
Bladeroller
That's really cool. Diego Luna's great, he played one of the only characters in the film that had enough depth for me to relate to him.
Unklejrad
I think the characters were intentionally shallow because of later events in the film
Bladeroller
Yeah but most were just deep enough to get feels by the end.
tr1ck
I thought Jyn grew throughout the movie too. What was K2's last line to her? 'Your actions continue to be unpredictable.'
Bladeroller
Nah I found her really shallow; only thing that made her interesting was her father. Now he had depth.
PendejoSupremo
LOL, my Mexican dad was somehow oblivious to the fact that Cassian was Mexican until I pointed it out to him.
DavidAndrews
Space Mexico!
kelpo122
Buen username @PendejoSupremo
Kierbear2g
I mean, *portrayed* by a Mexican. Dude's from a galaxy far away. Not mexico.
LegendofShrek
Space Mexico
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
We need to build wall of gravity well generators, and make the outer rim pay for it.
DontColdTheLizard
Hey, don't doubt our skills to jump anywhere....
bananafats1
Lol ay you tell em
Kierbear2g
Oh yeah, that politician guy said you guys have calves like cantaloupes from carrying all the drugs.
DontColdTheLizard
Nah, we handcraft trebuchets, catapults and tunnels or exchange the drugs for weapons :v
redshadow1000
I mean we kinda did sell you guys a bunch of weapons for drugs.
LoonyBoBdammitwhotookmyname
Reminds me of that feeling when Temuera Morrison's Maori accent kicked in for Jango Fett (and the clones!). I'm not Maori, but as a 1/2
KaneVel
It's sort of nice, but then again it kind of effed up the continuity with Boba. (also I'm not sure his performance was very good anyway.)
LoonyBoBdammitwhotookmyname
New Zealander I was so proud. And then the wee boy had it too! So awesome.
Piscivore
"Hello. My name is Diego Luna. You built the Death Star; prepare to die."
ZachNanamus
His accent sounded French to me.
Kalesto
yes, i had massive deja vu while watching this movie.
iLoveDarkBeer
I'm just replying so I can come back to your comment later and laugh my ass off once again .
Bonsaipanda
I will upvote this comment and that way help you accumulate points. Captain Cassian told me to.
SecretSonOfYaddle
Solid gold! Thank you for the giggles +1
Gauntlet2013
"That's not a Luna!" MexAmerican Guerra de los Galaxias probably.
YarTheBug
"Eso no es una luna" Guerras de las Estrellas :)
youguysloverussiansright
I was seriously thinking this during all his scenes. I'm not alone.
LGMHorus
If they remake Princess Bride, Diego Luna would be acceptable as Inigo Montoya
7thlevelLazerLotus
You don't remake perfect movies...
YarTheBug
I thought the same thing about Robocop...
TharrickLawson
There's a shortage of perfect movies in the world. It would be a pity to damage this one
7thlevelLazerLotus
davecoulierssuperfullhousefanclub
Tbh I liked rogue one more than I liked force awakens
jennyrocks
I wish i could save comment. This is gold!
Thethingfromtheshadows
Even by top comment standards that a good one.
v
DidgeryDoo
Does that make K-2 Fezzik?
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
"It's not my fault I'm so big and strong, the captain said I had to be."
Kris1234567
"K-2, are there stormtroopers ahead?"
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
If there are we will have a 78.35% chance we will all be dead.
Kris1234567
Bodhi: "No more rhymes now, i mean it!"
SparklDriver
TobyCheng
Hhhaloh
PsuedoIngress
Hola, mi nombre es Inigo Montoya. Tú mataste mi padre, prepararte para morir!
SirDimachaerus
TienDow
Short and sweet
hulksmashcrushpoop
just wow.
brb4ever
*Diego Diego Luna
Joelrassic
I legitimately laughed out loud at this. Thank you
kuzcospoison
Same.
badmagic
Ditto.
pippen1001
Updoot
6Oh4
Now be in the shoes of other ethnicities that wish to be portrayed correctly or at all. Hollywood is so scared of black ppl protesting 1/2
6Oh4
2/2 that it forgets about so many talented ethnic actors/actresses. I wish I had more characters to really say how I feel.
KleineFichte
There is more hispanic people than black people! By how much black people are represented in culture, I'd say they're 50%.
asm80dfa8sdfj
I agree, but demographics are really prohibitive. 73% white, 13% black, 5% asian, 1% native. Statistically, most actors will be white.
asm80dfa8sdfj
That's further exacerbated by the fact that a much larger percentage of white people end up acting as a career.
GavinScreaming
That's assuming all the actors come from America which isn't really true
asm80dfa8sdfj
Yeah, a lot of them come from England too, which is far more white than the US. :P
6Oh4
England uses more diverse casts without stereotyping than the US does.
Unklejrad
This is what doesn't get talked about enough when the other conversations come up....
asm80dfa8sdfj
Yeah, and I didn't even care to bring up that most screenwriters will also be white, and people write from their own experiences.
6Oh4
This is if you only cultivate from Hollywood. Diego Luna for example was an international actor. If you want to be close minded sure.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Well yeah, you are the one who called out Hollywood, so that's what I'm "cultivating" from. Of course international actors act in Hollywood
6Oh4
You may be quoting a bunch of stats but you know damn well there is a diverse set of actors and it can be done if they chose to.
6Oh4
Hollywood is able to cultivate from other countries and you know that. So don't act like you don't know what I am saying.
asm80dfa8sdfj
movies, that's absolutely a given. But for every Diego Luna, there are 50, 100 people from the US. Even if foreign actors made up 5% of
therealpopkiller
MRW the only white males in Rogue One were the bad guys and I'm a white guy
MostOfImgurGenerallyPissesMeOff
its like the epitome of what left leaning media's narrative was in 2016
Funtclaps
In England we take it as a compliment that we're always the bad guys. But then, we're famous for disregarding the opinions of lesser folks.
Sprixxen
I honestly don't care what race was picked as the role as long as it did not hinder nor help for selection based on that alone.
Sprixxen
Now what I might have a problem with is valuing diversity over merit. But media is different and diversity is important so idk.
Nintura1182
And one of them has been dead for 22 years. I never even knew he was full on CGI the entire movie...
gossegotha
More problematic was that nearly 100% of the bad guys were white males. In a galaxy with hundreds of species. And multiple genders. Uh huh.
RyixUO
As an English guy im usually surprised when we're not the bad guy...
eetsumkaus
I mean, most blockbusters are American. Of course anyone with a posh accent is gonna be the bad guy
KaneVel
At least you've got Bond going for you.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
I'm 90% sure Captain Asthma, with his castle on Mustafar, is a black guy.
siddpr101
I didnt realise that, I don't see color.
Shrekhead
Well the bad guys were Brits.
HughLaurie
*in prominent roles.
Redbrickadam
Well K-2S0 was played by a white male so does he count?
MinorClarification
He's black though
secretbison
The Empire and Rebels can agree on one thing: continuing the oppression of droids.
Maudible
I was not aware that all the white males in the various rebel fighter squadrons were actually bad guys. Today I have learned.
LazyLexiconographer
And they were main characters . . . said with white mans accent . . . oh wait, identity politics is stupid, nvm.
secretbison
They were, though, because the movie woukd have been more diverse without them. They're totally problematic.
BobTheBogus
They all download music ilegaly in their spare time. They are the true devils.
SergeiBoobtitsky
They're making Space Lars Ulrich wait a few months for his gold plated shark tank bar.
Thesimpleman
Absolute mad men
digitalutopia
You wouldn't blow up a Death Star...
HighSlayerRalton
You wouldn't shoot a policeman.
pippen1001
I'd rather download it
RocketRodster
Blowing up a death Star is terrorism
digitalutopia
Technically, you are correct. The only difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist, is who's telling the story.
RevanTheJedi
They probably raped someone somewhere too, those oppressing white males with privilege
RevanTheJedi
it turns out funny sarcastic comments aren't really my thing
lurkvoter
badgerbadgersquared
Mads Mikkleson is white
Insideanus
Danish
zygomaticpreacher
Yes. And very much white, as Scandinavians tend to be.
GavinScreaming
Yea but he's got a weird name so the racist aren't entirely on board
mudkipfucker2
>Danish >white pick one
FunkyZombie
*Mikkelsen, -sson is swedish -sen is danish
krewann
This
FunkyZombie
Is
krewann
True
deltajesus
Yeah but he's seriously iffy on the good guy front.
secretbison
I'd always imagined the designer of the Death Star to be someone like Wernher von Braun. I was moderately disappointed.
AlkeneThiol
Yall need some Catalyst in your life. The prequel book establishes his goodiness
Grapefruitspoon
He was arguably the hero of the film
deltajesus
You could also argue that he was a villain.
ladymondegreen
He's the main reason the Rebel Alliance/Luke was able to destroy the Death Star.
JustCallMeTheMuffinMan
How would you argue that?
shitduke
Danish are not white
hoboface
How the fuck are the danish not white :D
Henderp
Um... Actually we are almost all white... The majority of Danish people are Caucasian
shitduke
Implying caucasian is a thing anymore
Frostveins
Mfw scandinavians are not white. Dude we are neon white
QuasarsAndBlazars
Yeah but he's wierd name white. That's like only half white. I need a Tom Smith whitemanmcwhitey in my lead roles
thehungryguy
He is danish, you can't really get any whiter
KafkaLovesYou
He's scandinavian, that's like Hitler Wants To Suck Your Dick White. Source: am scandinavian
Henderp
As a guy from Denmark, just like Mads Mikkelsen - Seconded.
andergriff
yeah but scandinavian people have a lot less cultutral racism.
KafkaLovesYou
lolwut
Liveonaze
LOL nope, we sure do. Visit sweddit once.
LordMoo
But wasn't the actor that was spoken about in this post white?
dootdootbop
Yeah, but for some reason a lot of Americans don't consider hispanics white (I have no clue why)
opetchas
Many people in America consider Hispanics to be a separate race but it's not. You can be any race and be Hispanic.
ByronicFool
Hispanic. Mexican, to be precise.
Derblejks
wut but hes white
LordMoo
Is that not considered white in America?
shitduke
only if they shoot someone black
pierresito
We're not white in the same way some consider jewish people not white despite their fair skin and light hair and eyes
becauseurwrong
Not knocking your point, but the only ppl who don't think European jews are white are usually the anti-semites
pierresito
technically you answer "white" in the forms, and then there's a seperate box for "hispanic latino" that usually follows it
Laszl0
There's a story behind that. I can't remember what it is, but there's a story.
ByronicFool
I think the FBI call it white, but otherwise it's designated as a separate race. If you hate latinos (and you're white) you're racist (1/2)
ByronicFool
But if you're white and hate a different kind of white (e.g-Irish hating on italians) you're not racist. So I think Luna would be non-white.
nofunatparties
bruh, it's our turn for a while. be cool.
1vefallenandcantgetup
How about just get the best actors for the part instead of pushing political narratives?
pgdave
It's not a political narrative, it's pure capitalism in a good way. More representation means capturing potentially different markets.
1vefallenandcantgetup
I agree. I didn't say they couldn't do what they want with casting. It was just a point to respond to the original comment.
ThisIsFrigglish
Do you even Hollywood?
Kierbear2g
TIL getting a minority = pushing a political narrative while getting a white guy = best actor.
1vefallenandcantgetup
Literally not what I said. Maybe the Mexican guy was the best. The comment I made is why not just get the best, not that who they had werent
PartyTimeLuna
He was responding to the guy who said make all main characters a minority. Don't misrepresent what he said.
jaminjimmyjames
The limited information provided means that their words are open to interpretation. You might not have the correct understanding.
ThisNameDoesntMatter
Who said that?
doyourworkidiot
There are more white actors than nonwhite. Statistically speaking only 12% of roles should go to blacks if it's a meritocracy.
Kierbear2g
http://time.com/7278/agencies-hollywood-racial-diversity/
jaminjimmyjames
Most actors are Asian (that includes the Indian subcontinent). Unless you only count Hollywood films.
Kierbear2g
The world isn't a meritocracy and never has been, and hollywood doesn't accurately depict racial makeups of the world
becauseurwrong
How do you know the best actor didn't get the part?
Kierbear2g
duh, because he wasn't white, he was a minority picked to push a political narrative! but don't call ivefallen racist.
1vefallenandcantgetup
He might have, it just hurts the argument when Disney comes out and says they are actively pushing a diverse casting.
FuoccoBlue
To defend the point...The producers/creators of the film open said that they were pushing a political narrative.
Kierbear2g
*everything* does. The only reason people bitch about "pushing a political narrative" is because it's one they disagree with.
FuoccoBlue
*openly