Jan 14, 2021 6:53 PM
YouWillAllReferToMeByTheNameBetty
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With sound of course
sumguyonabike3
I still prefer the warthog tbh
BellyBrush
Tuesday at Taco Bell?
redsmerf
Brrrrrrt the Second
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
that sound... makes me feel things
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
wonder what happens when that flap malfunctions, won't open and they need to fire.
mikemann10395
it gets open by the first round and the plane is a little less stealthy?
NotNotDeadpool
Implying anything on the Flying Turd-35 could ever be boken or not work properly is treason. But a safe bet.
rubberduckybro
There’s a component called a timer check valve that restricts one action before another
Kingofthedroogs
It looks like those are "wear parts" anyway, based on how blackened the flap was after that burst. Surely it wears out over time.
ruferto
the difference between "please open up" and "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER"
DougDeNasty
Given that the gun is a scaled down GAU-8 (aka Da BuRRRRT!)... some mechanic will need to replace said door.
delpharseven
Some fighters just have a replaceable cover that they shoot through. Eg.the Dassault Rafale.
TeeArrLikesPizza
The Typhoon also has a frangible panel.
That's the word I was looking for!
Althox00
We call that self-clearancing
CuntCrotchula
Have to imagine it probably as some redundancies so that doesnt happen
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Everything on aircraft has redundancies. If the door won't open, the gun won't fire. I'd bet on it.
experiencemike
Like a cut off point sort of how bomber gunners had cut offs when they aimed toward propellers of the craft
All fighters I've worked on have a WOW switch (weight on wheels). It disables many things including munitions from operating while the >
aircraft is on the ground. To avoid potential fuck ups. I'll gladly bet this gun door has a switch built in that deactivates the gun unless>
JackalopeElope
The first few shots won't be as accurate.
Even more inaccurate than it normally is.
GrumpyOldMillennial
Volume over accuracy.
It only carries 180 rounds. The inaccuracy is an actual problem they are having trouble resolving. One of many, many problems.
causality
God the F-35 is a piece of shit.
180 rounds? Thats what 1/80th of a seconds worth at its firing rate?
VerdinSkirata
Funny you ask, that used to be a problem early on. It's mostly fixed now.
IrrationalNumber
Explosive bolts so the flap disconnects? Just fire through it?
BichesLoveMy120mmSabotPracticeRound
Doesn't ammunition like that needs a minimum distance to activate?
Yes, there is a fuse that only activates after a certain number of rotations.
Nomad33
Some explosive rounds do, but these are just big bullets. Regardless an unarmed explosive round would punch through that like paper
No yeah but my kind of point was, it will just go through, not just exploding right there.
These are armour piercing explosive, but yeah the fuse doesn't activate until a certain number of rotations.
Isn't it just firing depleted uranium? Am I missing something?
Vanamonde
Depleted uranium is used for heavy, armor-piercing ammo. This is light stuff to shred a fragile airplane.
Armour piercing explosive with a tungsten penetrator. No DU.
Nacon
That little flap piece of metal isn't gonna stop those bullets anyway.
rawdog
pew pew pew pew
RamenAndSuperglue
More like BBBBUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
This is clearly BRRRRRRRRTTT
NomaDv
Anyone else just immediately think of Frank making his own gun sounds?
To crank up the difficulty, he's shooting blindfolded!
Craizie
Thats so they do not scare the bird during testing.
Bombideer
Dunkey strats
ActualTttony
And side-arm
Leithoa
Not with the camera. You can see 'through' the cockpit.
GRIDPUSHER
360 no scope
Gestalt7
"But with the blast shield down, I can't even see! How am I supposed to fight?"
TiredOfTheBS
He must use the force to aim
NewQiScifiJumper
Do you feel lucky.. Punk?
ijustwantacoolusernamethatisavailabletoo
Well? Do you?
YoureABlizzardMary
DocGigglez
Did I fire 60,000 shots or only 50,000?
Rokur4
Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I have kind of lost track myself
cm77
After Iraq and Afghanistan I'd suggest that is normal. Just ask the Brits and Canadians.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Nah, it's A-10's that the Taliban has got, not F35's
The Taliban has A10s now?
You'd sure as hell think so, given the amount of friendly fire they put out
Idsertian
Ah yes, the BRRT Jr.
InsertNameHereIGuess
The A10 says: Hold by beer.
ImitationBrand
You can see the flap go from pristine to dark after one volley. I wonder if it would eventually fail from all the heat and smoke...
NicolasKevinMac
My understanding is that managing the heat they generate is basically THE main thing when designing a machine gun/cannon.
CoffeeStainedCA
In normal usage the heat would very quickly dissipate behind the airplane, not remain in place.
WhiskeyQueen
No one likes a smokey flap (sorry, so childish. But, had too)
ChloeRed
I suspect a there's a duct that helps it vent when in fight due to the incoming air flow slowing the gasses down. Things often are 1/
slightly different in flight compared to a static ground test. 2/2
outerreg
Little surprised it's a pop up instead of a slide in, but that's like for speed.
The F-35A only carries enough ammo for 3.27 seconds of continuous fire.
SisyphusAndRock
That Cessna with a broken radio wont know what hit it
ricbri695
I fly a Cessna with a sketchy radio... oh no...
EnlightenmentSatori
Reference ?
LoadSmasher
Literal reference would be for terrorist Cessnas busting a TFR. The joke: a terrorist Cessna being shot down by an F-35
djhash
How much money did I just watch go by?
robbieeeeee
There goes my stimulus money
AlmostScientist
I mean after billions of dollars for its development what’s another few thousand for a weapons test amirite
TupacAintDead
Tree fiddy
Grillparzer
One way or the other, enough to ruin someone's day.
MaximumRadius
It costs 400,000 dollars to fire this weapon for 12 seconds.
desolatorx
Yes
DVSBSTrD
"In costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon, for twelve seconds."
Rehjee
Haha. Defense spending go BRRRRRRRT
GoldenLarsen
Much like Upvote spending go BRRRRRRRT
TheGuyWithTheHeadphones
At least 2 money
profoundschnook
seems kinda accurate
ZeroDucksToGive
Bout tree fiddy. Million
OneOneNiner
eftwyrd
Goddamn loch ness monstah. I ain't giving ya no tree fiddy... Million.
megagreg
It sounded like ~100Hz for at least 3 seconds. No idea what a 25mm round costs. Still nothing compared to engineer analysis time afterwards.
The price I got was "17 USD per unit." for M793 Target Practice with Tracer (TP-T).
So around $5k in materials for what we saw. Not outrageous in the least.
ShiftingPattern
Yeah, but those are civilian prices. Government buys in bulk so they only pay $23 per unit.
FromYourHomePhone
M793 is fired from the 25mm Bushmaster autocannon. The GAU-22 in USN/USAF aircraft fires the PGU-23U Target Practice (TP) round.
gilliamv
"it cost four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds"
kmikl
Someone touched Sasha!!!
mmartin762
Dammit beat me to it
beez428
Okay, so I know this is based on a game, but are there webisodes or something of it as well?
zqwzzle
Yes there were “meet the x” videos introducing each class. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHgZh4GV9G0
qwerty1418
Theres also the one-off short Expiration Date https://youtu.be/GLlLQ3LmZWU
CoqRoq
Each round can cost about $20. The fire rate is up to 7,200 RPM. However the gun only holds about 180 rounds, so about $3,600 in that blip.
tittysprinkl
Don’t forget the 84 day inspection we have to do after that’s 5 or 6 AO’s times e3 to e6 pay for about 3 hours of work so about 20 cents
TheWarHymn
Only 180 rounds? What's the point of having it then?
Promethianfire
Computer-controlled trigger. Only fires a quick burst when there is an extremely high chance of hitting the target
WhatzitTooya
That crate of ammo is probably the cheapest part of that plane.
I believe it still uses JP-8, so that is reasonably cheap by comparison. Splitting hairs at this point though.
EGifWrecker
Your stimulus fund went down..
Registeredfordeuce
That’s 6 people’s stimulus money right there
I estimated around $5k based on the sound, so we're probably pretty close.
JustTryingToHelpDude
180 rounds or 1.5 seconds of brrrrrt seems kinda pointless. On the other hand, these birds are made to shoot from hundreds of miles away
with rockets and shit. Or something like that. Are dogfights still a thing? In reality?
MrE158
They stopped putting guns on jets around the Vietnam era, and turned out they were actually pretty useful so brought them back.
TadashiK
Yea theyre useful for ground strafing and as a close range weapon for air to air, otherwise though an F-22, F-35, or F-14 is primarily going
phil1d
Nah but tanks are still a thing. As is close air support. A little brrrrt for a multi-role fighter.
Imagine. Brrrrt tank #1, then go home and restock to brrrt #2 lol
No. Close encounter dogfights stopped taking place shortly after the Vietnam War really. Most engagements are taking place upwards of
20-150 miles (32-240 km) away.
pjm82
Yep the American military, where the ammunition always cost more than the targets
Ghlargh
Only if you don't value human life... Oh right...
Xanthx
Actually worked on a training range. Typical targets cost 1-20k, movable ones around 50k, reactive or thermal go up from there. One was 500k
I meant in the feild
Hah. Well there is that.
vrflyer
So basically, thank you for your hard earned monies!
sfbiker
180 rounds @ 7200RPM is only 1.5 seconds. Not a lot of shooting time, better not miss.
It fires in preset bursts, triggered by a targeting computer determines you'll actually hit the target. Don't need a lot of ammo if you've>
> a 99% chance of achieving a kill with a 20 round burst.
vargul16661
Arent they looking at implementing that hunting scope into the military that works on same idea
gumol
computers aim for you
phonoodle415
Really? Thats advanced sht
Not really, we've been doing it for all sorts of different weapons systems for well over a century
ItWasNotAcceptableIfNotToLiveForTheSakeOfPleasurableThings
Or roughly six stimulus checks.
UKMonkey
Anything but metric!
atleastfourcharactersinlength
3.6 kilodollars?
taurondir
Thats what the US should do. You can keep your guns, just $1000 per round, so you better use them WISELY
iieNemuru
Chris Rock!
philoseraptor
That would stop poor people from affording to defend themselves but not random acts of violence or crime (ammo is easy to make or smuggle)
no no no they can get ammo from ObamaCare. They can use it to shoot the ones that argue against it
PoorBoyChevelle
Never be another innocent bystander shot at that rate. Let's do it
Well duh, they just change the definition of innocent bystander
Guys its a Chris Rock bit: https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw
hipshopbutcanthap
Could be cheaper for dummy rounds but yeah. I just saw about half my car value go brrrrrrt
Caldersson
When I shot competitive .50 cal it was about 6 bucks a shot. I don't shoot .50 anymore for a number of reasons, money being a top reason.
RIP your shoulder
I feel like blanks would cost more, by virtue of the fact that (comparatively) so few are produced
Maybe but I'm pretty sure they make enough for any foreseeable testing.
Okay, what does that have to do with smaller production lines that aren't running 24/7?
GuyWithDog
That's low brrrrrrt potential
TrombeOverride
They aren't expecting to need to use the gun. Because if they find themselves needing to use the gun, they are already dead.
Gomizzi
Daddy Powell says we need to get these rookie numbers up
Yeah well powell is a fucking idiot
zalurker
The goal was quality, not quantity. Instead of blanketing the target area with a 50 round burst, it puts 3 rounds in almost the same spot.
Pop not brrrrt. In theory.
Most newer fighter jets are like that. Its more for show and comfort than function.
FeminineBeeOnslaught
So they don't really have a practical purpose?
Nuttsy
You don't need a sidearm until you suddenly find out you need a sidearm. And those are kinda hard to tack onto a plane later.
Ihatedecidingonausername
Too close for missiles! Switching to guns...but just for a second
Makes sense with missiles ranging hundreds of miles
RackhamTheRed
Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik "regular" AAM on jets are well below 100km range and only long range SAM go hundrets of miles
I work with the next generation ones and they are terrifying in their abilities.
minipancho94
its a fall back weapon. we found out the hard way in nam or korea that missiles only was a bad idea. also viable against non standard 1/2
Octomac
“Too close for missiles, switching to guns!”
targets, such as converted prop planes. missiles can have issues IIRC. rhodesian bush war made heavy use to counter libyan f-15s. 2/2
sumguyonabike3
I still prefer the warthog tbh
BellyBrush
Tuesday at Taco Bell?
redsmerf
Brrrrrrt the Second
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
that sound... makes me feel things
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
wonder what happens when that flap malfunctions, won't open and they need to fire.
mikemann10395
it gets open by the first round and the plane is a little less stealthy?
NotNotDeadpool
Implying anything on the Flying Turd-35 could ever be boken or not work properly is treason. But a safe bet.
rubberduckybro
There’s a component called a timer check valve that restricts one action before another
Kingofthedroogs
It looks like those are "wear parts" anyway, based on how blackened the flap was after that burst. Surely it wears out over time.
ruferto
the difference between "please open up" and "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER"
DougDeNasty
Given that the gun is a scaled down GAU-8 (aka Da BuRRRRT!)... some mechanic will need to replace said door.
delpharseven
Some fighters just have a replaceable cover that they shoot through. Eg.the Dassault Rafale.
TeeArrLikesPizza
The Typhoon also has a frangible panel.
delpharseven
That's the word I was looking for!
Althox00
We call that self-clearancing
CuntCrotchula
Have to imagine it probably as some redundancies so that doesnt happen
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Everything on aircraft has redundancies. If the door won't open, the gun won't fire. I'd bet on it.
experiencemike
Like a cut off point sort of how bomber gunners had cut offs when they aimed toward propellers of the craft
idontknowhowthissiteworks
All fighters I've worked on have a WOW switch (weight on wheels). It disables many things including munitions from operating while the >
idontknowhowthissiteworks
aircraft is on the ground. To avoid potential fuck ups. I'll gladly bet this gun door has a switch built in that deactivates the gun unless>
JackalopeElope
The first few shots won't be as accurate.
delpharseven
Even more inaccurate than it normally is.
GrumpyOldMillennial
Volume over accuracy.
delpharseven
It only carries 180 rounds. The inaccuracy is an actual problem they are having trouble resolving. One of many, many problems.
causality
God the F-35 is a piece of shit.
GrumpyOldMillennial
180 rounds? Thats what 1/80th of a seconds worth at its firing rate?
VerdinSkirata
Funny you ask, that used to be a problem early on. It's mostly fixed now.
IrrationalNumber
Explosive bolts so the flap disconnects? Just fire through it?
BichesLoveMy120mmSabotPracticeRound
Doesn't ammunition like that needs a minimum distance to activate?
delpharseven
Yes, there is a fuse that only activates after a certain number of rotations.
Nomad33
Some explosive rounds do, but these are just big bullets. Regardless an unarmed explosive round would punch through that like paper
BichesLoveMy120mmSabotPracticeRound
No yeah but my kind of point was, it will just go through, not just exploding right there.
delpharseven
These are armour piercing explosive, but yeah the fuse doesn't activate until a certain number of rotations.
IrrationalNumber
Isn't it just firing depleted uranium? Am I missing something?
Vanamonde
Depleted uranium is used for heavy, armor-piercing ammo. This is light stuff to shred a fragile airplane.
delpharseven
Armour piercing explosive with a tungsten penetrator. No DU.
Nacon
That little flap piece of metal isn't gonna stop those bullets anyway.
rawdog
pew pew pew pew
RamenAndSuperglue
More like BBBBUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
This is clearly BRRRRRRRRTTT
NomaDv
Anyone else just immediately think of Frank making his own gun sounds?
Vanamonde
To crank up the difficulty, he's shooting blindfolded!
Craizie
Thats so they do not scare the bird during testing.
Bombideer
Dunkey strats
ActualTttony
And side-arm
Leithoa
Not with the camera. You can see 'through' the cockpit.
GRIDPUSHER
360 no scope
Gestalt7
"But with the blast shield down, I can't even see! How am I supposed to fight?"
TiredOfTheBS
He must use the force to aim
NewQiScifiJumper
Do you feel lucky.. Punk?
ijustwantacoolusernamethatisavailabletoo
Well? Do you?
YoureABlizzardMary
DocGigglez
Did I fire 60,000 shots or only 50,000?
Rokur4
Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I have kind of lost track myself
cm77
After Iraq and Afghanistan I'd suggest that is normal. Just ask the Brits and Canadians.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Nah, it's A-10's that the Taliban has got, not F35's
cm77
The Taliban has A10s now?
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
You'd sure as hell think so, given the amount of friendly fire they put out
Idsertian
Ah yes, the BRRT Jr.
InsertNameHereIGuess
The A10 says: Hold by beer.
ImitationBrand
You can see the flap go from pristine to dark after one volley. I wonder if it would eventually fail from all the heat and smoke...
NicolasKevinMac
My understanding is that managing the heat they generate is basically THE main thing when designing a machine gun/cannon.
CoffeeStainedCA
In normal usage the heat would very quickly dissipate behind the airplane, not remain in place.
WhiskeyQueen
No one likes a smokey flap (sorry, so childish. But, had too)
ChloeRed
I suspect a there's a duct that helps it vent when in fight due to the incoming air flow slowing the gasses down. Things often are 1/
ChloeRed
slightly different in flight compared to a static ground test. 2/2
outerreg
Little surprised it's a pop up instead of a slide in, but that's like for speed.
delpharseven
The F-35A only carries enough ammo for 3.27 seconds of continuous fire.
SisyphusAndRock
That Cessna with a broken radio wont know what hit it
ricbri695
I fly a Cessna with a sketchy radio... oh no...
EnlightenmentSatori
Reference ?
LoadSmasher
Literal reference would be for terrorist Cessnas busting a TFR. The joke: a terrorist Cessna being shot down by an F-35
EnlightenmentSatori
djhash
How much money did I just watch go by?
robbieeeeee
There goes my stimulus money
AlmostScientist
I mean after billions of dollars for its development what’s another few thousand for a weapons test amirite
TupacAintDead
Tree fiddy
Grillparzer
One way or the other, enough to ruin someone's day.
MaximumRadius
It costs 400,000 dollars to fire this weapon for 12 seconds.
desolatorx
Yes
DVSBSTrD
"In costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon, for twelve seconds."
Rehjee
Haha. Defense spending go BRRRRRRRT
GoldenLarsen
Much like Upvote spending go BRRRRRRRT
TheGuyWithTheHeadphones
At least 2 money
profoundschnook
seems kinda accurate
ZeroDucksToGive
Bout tree fiddy. Million
OneOneNiner
eftwyrd
Goddamn loch ness monstah. I ain't giving ya no tree fiddy... Million.
megagreg
It sounded like ~100Hz for at least 3 seconds. No idea what a 25mm round costs. Still nothing compared to engineer analysis time afterwards.
JackalopeElope
The price I got was "17 USD per unit." for M793 Target Practice with Tracer (TP-T).
megagreg
So around $5k in materials for what we saw. Not outrageous in the least.
ShiftingPattern
Yeah, but those are civilian prices. Government buys in bulk so they only pay $23 per unit.
FromYourHomePhone
M793 is fired from the 25mm Bushmaster autocannon. The GAU-22 in USN/USAF aircraft fires the PGU-23U Target Practice (TP) round.
gilliamv
"it cost four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds"
kmikl
Someone touched Sasha!!!
gilliamv
mmartin762
Dammit beat me to it
beez428
Okay, so I know this is based on a game, but are there webisodes or something of it as well?
zqwzzle
Yes there were “meet the x” videos introducing each class. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHgZh4GV9G0
qwerty1418
Theres also the one-off short Expiration Date https://youtu.be/GLlLQ3LmZWU
CoqRoq
Each round can cost about $20. The fire rate is up to 7,200 RPM. However the gun only holds about 180 rounds, so about $3,600 in that blip.
tittysprinkl
Don’t forget the 84 day inspection we have to do after that’s 5 or 6 AO’s times e3 to e6 pay for about 3 hours of work so about 20 cents
TheWarHymn
Only 180 rounds? What's the point of having it then?
Promethianfire
Computer-controlled trigger. Only fires a quick burst when there is an extremely high chance of hitting the target
WhatzitTooya
That crate of ammo is probably the cheapest part of that plane.
CoqRoq
I believe it still uses JP-8, so that is reasonably cheap by comparison. Splitting hairs at this point though.
EGifWrecker
Your stimulus fund went down..
Registeredfordeuce
That’s 6 people’s stimulus money right there
megagreg
I estimated around $5k based on the sound, so we're probably pretty close.
JustTryingToHelpDude
180 rounds or 1.5 seconds of brrrrrt seems kinda pointless. On the other hand, these birds are made to shoot from hundreds of miles away
JustTryingToHelpDude
with rockets and shit. Or something like that. Are dogfights still a thing? In reality?
MrE158
They stopped putting guns on jets around the Vietnam era, and turned out they were actually pretty useful so brought them back.
TadashiK
Yea theyre useful for ground strafing and as a close range weapon for air to air, otherwise though an F-22, F-35, or F-14 is primarily going
phil1d
Nah but tanks are still a thing. As is close air support. A little brrrrt for a multi-role fighter.
JustTryingToHelpDude
Imagine. Brrrrt tank #1, then go home and restock to brrrt #2 lol
TadashiK
No. Close encounter dogfights stopped taking place shortly after the Vietnam War really. Most engagements are taking place upwards of
TadashiK
20-150 miles (32-240 km) away.
pjm82
Yep the American military, where the ammunition always cost more than the targets
Ghlargh
Only if you don't value human life... Oh right...
Xanthx
Actually worked on a training range. Typical targets cost 1-20k, movable ones around 50k, reactive or thermal go up from there. One was 500k
pjm82
I meant in the feild
Xanthx
Hah. Well there is that.
vrflyer
So basically, thank you for your hard earned monies!
sfbiker
180 rounds @ 7200RPM is only 1.5 seconds. Not a lot of shooting time, better not miss.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
It fires in preset bursts, triggered by a targeting computer determines you'll actually hit the target. Don't need a lot of ammo if you've>
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
> a 99% chance of achieving a kill with a 20 round burst.
vargul16661
Arent they looking at implementing that hunting scope into the military that works on same idea
gumol
computers aim for you
phonoodle415
Really? Thats advanced sht
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Not really, we've been doing it for all sorts of different weapons systems for well over a century
ItWasNotAcceptableIfNotToLiveForTheSakeOfPleasurableThings
Or roughly six stimulus checks.
UKMonkey
Anything but metric!
atleastfourcharactersinlength
3.6 kilodollars?
taurondir
Thats what the US should do. You can keep your guns, just $1000 per round, so you better use them WISELY
iieNemuru
Chris Rock!
philoseraptor
That would stop poor people from affording to defend themselves but not random acts of violence or crime (ammo is easy to make or smuggle)
taurondir
no no no they can get ammo from ObamaCare. They can use it to shoot the ones that argue against it
PoorBoyChevelle
Never be another innocent bystander shot at that rate. Let's do it
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Well duh, they just change the definition of innocent bystander
PoorBoyChevelle
Guys its a Chris Rock bit: https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw
hipshopbutcanthap
Could be cheaper for dummy rounds but yeah. I just saw about half my car value go brrrrrrt
Caldersson
When I shot competitive .50 cal it was about 6 bucks a shot. I don't shoot .50 anymore for a number of reasons, money being a top reason.
hipshopbutcanthap
RIP your shoulder
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
I feel like blanks would cost more, by virtue of the fact that (comparatively) so few are produced
hipshopbutcanthap
Maybe but I'm pretty sure they make enough for any foreseeable testing.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Okay, what does that have to do with smaller production lines that aren't running 24/7?
GuyWithDog
That's low brrrrrrt potential
TrombeOverride
They aren't expecting to need to use the gun. Because if they find themselves needing to use the gun, they are already dead.
Gomizzi
Daddy Powell says we need to get these rookie numbers up
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Yeah well powell is a fucking idiot
zalurker
The goal was quality, not quantity. Instead of blanketing the target area with a 50 round burst, it puts 3 rounds in almost the same spot.
zalurker
Pop not brrrrt. In theory.
CoqRoq
Most newer fighter jets are like that. Its more for show and comfort than function.
FeminineBeeOnslaught
So they don't really have a practical purpose?
Nuttsy
You don't need a sidearm until you suddenly find out you need a sidearm. And those are kinda hard to tack onto a plane later.
Ihatedecidingonausername
Too close for missiles! Switching to guns...but just for a second
GuyWithDog
Makes sense with missiles ranging hundreds of miles
RackhamTheRed
Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik "regular" AAM on jets are well below 100km range and only long range SAM go hundrets of miles
CoqRoq
I work with the next generation ones and they are terrifying in their abilities.
minipancho94
its a fall back weapon. we found out the hard way in nam or korea that missiles only was a bad idea. also viable against non standard 1/2
Octomac
“Too close for missiles, switching to guns!”
minipancho94
targets, such as converted prop planes. missiles can have issues IIRC. rhodesian bush war made heavy use to counter libyan f-15s. 2/2