SteveMND
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SteveMND
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IHonestlyDidntKnowICouldChangeMyUsername
I still enjoy the show, but..... *(2011-2015)*
Ubermenschisch
It is all coming to a head, granted it is all quick moving and has less subtlety, but there is no time for nuance and growth and bullshit1/2
Ubermenschisch
2/2 winter is here and intrigue and espionage are done. The stage is set. In a visual medium they are knocking it out of the park. Kudos.
chooseday
There's just a lot of things which don't seem to be explained, and it just doesn't have the plot twists/politics which it used to have.
gerdygerdygerdy
SPOILER BELOW
gerdygerdygerdy
When the on was talking to Jon about how he "never knows the right thing to do" I could not stop thinking about how terrible that plot line
gerdygerdygerdy
Just got. Not because it's a bad plot line, but because the writing cheapened it
modis
People are just mad because no main characters died.
StonesOnTheHill
I kinda missed when people threw shade while strolling together in the betrayal garden, not like now when they do it in front of everyone.
StarryPlough
I'm sure 99% of its fanbase will still think it's the best show ever
tdavis13245
Cut interesting scenes like tyrion jaime /all stark kids meeting to like a minute, while spending most time on battles. I also didnt like 1/
tdavis13245
How they just progressed story lines in 20 minute chunks in a row instead of hopping around. Season was enjoyable, but idc bout s8 now tbh
ImaGsoRememberThat
I think the season was rather good. It could have been extended into more seasons or episodes, but it was a good season.
SuzyOlive
I found it super dull.
asukara
People complaining Dany was taking too long in Essos. Now she's in Westeros, they whining things happening too fast.
Nomtombouts
It was only good because the previous seasons had done an excellent job of setting up events
Nomtombouts
There's no denying the the writing was substandard, and the plot is greatly lacking in depth. The "trial" scene was just plain stupid
chiefwill
Compare it to season 1....
boxford
Much better than Season One
chiefwill
ForgotMyOtherAcct
to be fair, season 1 had way more direction and a lack of plot points that needed resolving. Also less cgi needed. But yeah, was tighter.
Marley1973
Quit your complaining and enjoy the ride.
AltEff4
Still love the show, but really dislike the teleporting, and repeatedly saving people miraculously at the last second.
boxford
REEEEEEEEE DUR RAVENS AND FAST TRAVEL IM SUCH A CRITICAL GENIUS
AltEff4
Applepotamus
pringlesyum
They aren't wrong. The writers are getting into True Blood territory without any source material.
johnjacobjingleheimer
What do u mean
pringlesyum
True Blood stuck to the books for the first two seasons and then started taking liberties and it got nonsensical..By the end it was bad,
IWasToldThereWasCake
Exactly! Well said
caipirinhademaracuja
this season was horrible to be honest.
MobileUserGundam
Nah. It was okay. Still better TV than most. It's not like Season 5, which wasn't just bad GoT, but legit bad television.
SteveMND
I wouldn't go so far as to say "horrible," but you could tell it wasn't being adapted from an award-winner book author anymore.
JossWhedonsGhost
I agree. The story and characters were as good as ever but there was something off with the dialogue. It wasn't as solid as usual.
MobileUserGundam
Characters, sure, but the story has been garbage this season. Cinematography might be the best it's ever been, though.
MobileUserGundam
Characters, sure, but the story has been garbage this season. Cinematography might be the best it's ever been, though.
MobileUserGundam
However, that's come at the expense of "coherent plot" and "not having ginormous plotholes."
AntiChrisSmith
The whole series has built up to exactly what's happening.. The characters have now been developed and their paths have lead to the climax..
AntiChrisSmith
What more do you want?
hardytardigrade
I have been thinking the show started sucking since early on this season, but I haven't felt right sharing that with anyone else.
hardytardigrade
Too many miracle rescues, out-of-character events, fast travel scenes... it's just like a regular mediocre show now. Still fun though.
boxford
Dur fast travel ruins ma immersion
boxford
How does Catelyn get from Winterfell to Kings Landing in one episode?.....oh wait wrong season
hardytardigrade
It's much more than that, and the problem this season is WAY worse, but if you are having fun being a dick carry on
boxford
Pretty fun being a dick to you shitheads tbh
StopLookingAtMyName
It's like their expectation of viewer intelligence dropped massively. They don't think we can handle 30 running plot-lines at once.
StopLookingAtMyName
However, I think the reaction to previous series shows that most people can.
papasmurf1118
I think you have a point. However if you create fascinating characters that people relate to, they can extend themselves for that show.
pfsar
FFS, there aren't 30 plot lines because there aren't 30 stories any more! They're coming together as the story reaches its conclusion!
StopLookingAtMyName
They're not concluding, though. They're just disappearing without proper explanation.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
How so?
StopLookingAtMyName
For example, the Unsullied for most of the season. They just disappeared. We weren't told what happened then... (spoilers for finale)
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
I though they said they were marching from That castle they won to Kings Landing as Dany wanted protection as they planned to negotiate
chooseday
Yeah, what's up with Uncle Jesus constantly appearing out of nowhere too. You would assume that miracle worker would have some character dev
StopLookingAtMyName
BAM! They're outside King's Landing. Did they just walk? Did anything happen along the way? No idea because they weren't given a second.
kevincow
I don't get it. This season was fantastic.
xSquirrelly
The writing is not comparable though. That doesn't mean it's bad, but it was definitely better before.
TakeItEasyPolicy
so GRRM should fucking write and finish his books
xSquirrelly
He's totally gonna die before that happens
c0smicj0ker
The season was exciting and I liked it, like where it's going etc. but the character writing and actual dialogue was shit compared to 1/
c0smicj0ker
Previous seasons if I'm honest lol
boxford
DUR RAVENS AND FAST TRAVEL RUINED MA IMMERSION REEEE
remycrane
It's funny, cause they said characters and dialogue and your mocking points don't qualify as either
boxford
Which characters and what dialogue? Without specifics complaints like this are mostly of the REEEEE MA FAV CHARACTER WOULDNT DO DAT VARIETY
DavidMcclannahan
The sansa and area interactions felt really forced, like 5 minutes of talking to each other would solve their problems
dangermint
Throw in a brother who sees everything and it's completely pointless.
CondescendingCunt
That's because it was catering to people like you, sweetie.
Itoadaso
I don't think some one with a haircut like yours should be able to judge anyone for anything ever.
CondescendingCunt
Aw, that's nice, dear. <3
DavidMcclannahan
Fuck am I supposed to upvote or downvote?
CondescendingCunt
You could just upvote my comments first and then downvote them.
remycrane
Damn, username on point
hippocampus
It feels a bit like when you are writing a great essay and then your teacher says 'ok, only 10 minutes left'. it feels linear. no branching
kevincow
The series is ending. The dozens of subplots have to start coming together so it can't have as many unconnected branches as earlier seasons.
hippocampus
3-introduced, have some interesting story which might cross the main storyline at some place and then they die. absolutely useless but fun.
hippocampus
you can still have subplots which will go nowhere. might feel weird as we're not used to it. but still is fun. like sidequests.
kevincow
Introducing a new character whose subplot is totally unimportant in the last act would be objectively terrible storytelling.
hippocampus
I like to see that small things happen in a world of big fucking problems. I'd enjoy an episode with the bakerboy who met arya who then(1/2)
hippocampus
gets killed by a horde of wights. Just for the point of telling us that they indeed could pass the wall.(2/2)
hippocampus
2-there might be a decision that the series MUST end 2018. that's why the writers need to rush the end. in the books characters are...
MakDee
It was never predictable before. This season was too dialogue heavy and rushed :( so disappointed
boxford
MA IMMERSION IS GONE 4 gud
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
TV writing vs novel adaptation
AgentPaperCraft
It's another watered down fantasy story set in time with dragons and zombies. There's nothing special about this show, people are sheep.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
We must look like ants from up there!
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IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Dude, not cool
DaCrazyBeggar
It's not A Song of Ice and Fire anymore its just GoT the HBO show.
MercilessFisting
Well sure, the Bourne movies are nothing like the books. Both are good, but books are better.
rightcalf
Agreed. But that's not necessarily a problem for me. Quality of writing is down a bit, but not altogether unenjoyable.
DaCrazyBeggar
i agree i just watched the last episode, i enjoyed it, i just hope the books are better and come out sometime.
Volcanuz
Hasn't been since fucking season 3 really. By that i mean end of season 2. Even season 2 had a ton of missing shit.
DaCrazyBeggar
I mean, it was obvious it was never gonna be the same quality as the books, i still liked it, i just hope the books get finished b4 I die.
Volcanuz
Yeah i agree. I am just hoping none of this bullshit that is happening in the show influences his book.. or ill rage.
DaCrazyBeggar
or he does.
FriendlyCordyceps
I don't understand people's qualms with Season 7. I thought it was so much fun.
YoAdrian420
Probably book wankers mostly
ThisFrickenGuy
As a book wanker, I loved this season very much!
alpinej0e
I thought it was a refreshing change of pace. 5/6 seasons of slow character build up/plot setup, time for it to come together.
TheSeanConnery
Fun, but in a predictable happily-ever-after way.
Tirador8
Don't expect that to last
imyellinkimberr
It was only predictable (R+L=J aside) due to dense character/plot development over 6 seasons...but I know nothing
poodleguts
Couldn't agree more. It's more like Game of Zombies than Game of Thrones.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
The Zombies were part of the story from the first episode. The show might be called Game of Thrones but the series is a Song of Ice and Fire
disastasaurus
Game of The Walking Dead (Now with fast travel points)
poodleguts
In the first book, it took 35 days for the King's party to travel to Winterfell. LOL. Now Winterfell and K.L. are next-door neighbors.
boxford
DUR FAST TRAVEL RUINS MA IMMERSION REEEEEE
SteveMND
Jesus, Boxford, get another line maybe? You've posted this same thing like a dozen times. Are you having a stroke or something?
rightcalf
I'm still enjoying it a lot and am too invested to not keep watching. But I do agree there has been too much deus ex machina writing
SteveMND
Whatismypurpose
It's a shorter season & the show is drawing to an end. They are speeding stuff up to fit it all in. Boat rides don't take 4 episodes anymore
vanbarbee
#boatsex
WaitingonCoffee
Beyond the wall would've normally taken 5 episodes. Took 3/4 of one. Same stuff woulda happened, just loses its suspense when it's WAM, BAM!
rightcalf
The speedy travel doesn't bother me much. My bigger complaint is that I no longer feel worried about main characters.
vanbarbee
I don't care much about the main characters, I just don't want the remaining two dragons or dire wolves to die =[
rightcalf
The main source of suspense early on for me was that any character could be killed at any moment. I no longer feel that.
rightcalf
But since the series is coming to a close, that can be somewhat expected.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
How so?
rightcalf
Maybe not textbook examples of deus ex machina, but the level of fear I have for the main characters is way lower than previous seasons.
rightcalf
Examples for me are, Jon and the gang rescued from ice lake, Jamie/Bronn's escape from Drogon, victory at Battle of the Bastards.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Jamie and bronn isn't Deutz, nor was Jon. Jon's rescue was lazy writing I agree though but the rest was fine
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Deus *
rightcalf
What makes you say it wasn't?
HaulinOats
They don't have the books to go off of. Most likely the show will end differently than the books. It was a fan service season
Throbinwood022
I mean I spose they do have the author to work with
ibroketheinternet
Everyone's hating on the show when they should be hating on GRRM for not finishing the damn books. HBO is just trying to wrap it up
Jackhammer412
He can see the future, that was his plan all along which is Bs, Dragons didn't exist when they started. really it was just lazy writing tho
neffstradamus
Okay. Theon grinning while he was kicked in the crotch was the stupidest scene in the whole show. No dick doesnt mean immune to pain ffs.
Osarphi
Oh, he felt the pain allright. He smilled because it was funny to see the confusion on fat jesus's face
Shadarcarn
It was agreed upon that the ending would be the same for the show and the books, they would just take different paths to get there.
HodorFirstOfHisName
And yet no CLEGANEBOWL
SteveMND
Oh, it definitely will end differently. They are no longer adapting a book into a screenplay, but just writing their own stuff, and 1/
Xjlxking
It will end the same. The directors said the main plot points are the same
areallycreativeusername
Well (book spoilers) there is an important character that was cut from the show and he has am army on westeros and a claim to the throne
WhellerNG
Up to a certain point. GRRM probably gave them a general idea of what happened, but how we get up to those points will probs be different.
Roudy
GRRM told them the main ideas, wish he could just put them down on paper....
SteveMND
2/ unfortunately, It shows. This last season has been very much 'standard TV show writing' in the style and lack of complexity.
zenoshogun
Except GRRM has given them the basic outline of events and how it ends. The writing filling in the gaps is typical TV writing though.
whitefiesta
I agree. It's become predictable and very Hollywood-ish
IAmGreco
Maybe the plot lines are just coming to a close so they can't really throw too many monkey wrench in without slowing down the plot
popopocelot
Like I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm honestly saying that this was a known thing for like over a year. Sorry. They're summing it up asap.
SteveMND
And therein is the problem. You do not take a series that has been long and drawn out over six seasons and then just 'sum it up' at the end.
strife696
Sure u do. Theyr doing it. And making moooooonnnnneeeeeyyyyy
popopocelot
It has to have the same ending. It's in their contract. So even though it split up in the middle the final result will be the same
HaulinOats
It's not in their contract. They've only stated it will lead to the same point as the books. But Martin is still writing so he could change
HaulinOats
His ending between now and the 20 years before he's finished. The thing that makes me wonder is *SPOILERS*
FirstThingThatCameToMind
more like a fanfiction series
Jackhammer412
I'm not a big fan of the dragon bringing down the wall. What was the night Kings plan for almost 7 seasons before he got a dragon. Either1/2
SuperHir0
But they said they know exactly how it ends because grrm told them.
BallsackHippo
They know how it ends, fine, they don't know how to get there.
popopocelot
Exactly. Just incase he dies. It's in the contract.
SteveMND
I'm not talking about the major plot points, I'm talking about the writing and complexity. Definitely substandard, imho.
jnoahj
GRRM is playing chess. Weiss and Benioff are playing checkers.
Niggulon
Whoever downvoted you is either in complete denial cause 'MUH DRAGONS' or hasn't read the books and compared them to the first few seasons.
c0smicj0ker
I haven't even read past the first book. So idc about the books personally. The show is like a separate entity now. But even I can say the
c0smicj0ker
Dialogue was seriously lacking this season. It's more story than script at this point. I still love it tho.
askinghonestquestions
No doubt grr is leagues ahead of these guys though to be fair he does take 7 years / book to get there.
reginaphillange
I have a feeling George R.R. Martin is doing this on purpose. He helps out with the show and I have a feeling this is a ploy.
popopocelot
Actually Martin, incase he died, made a contract saying the end must be the same even tho they didn't go by the books the whole way.
reginaphillange
He did BUT he has yet to finish the books this is all a game for him. His real life Game of thrones.
popopocelot
So the writers are writing everything as they wish, but knowing what the ending will be.
SteveMND
And therein lies the problem. The writers are not able to create the sort of 'intermediate complexity' that came from the book's adaptions.
c0smicj0ker
I disagree. Screen writers are perfectly capable I'm sure. I think the problem is more time-frame at this point so they let complexity
pringlesyum
These writers are not. Compare season 1 to this season. The writing is off the charts better because it was a faithful adaptation.
c0smicj0ker
Character development and dialogue go - and settled for pushing the story forward as much as they could in a short time frame.
boxford
Every season is fan service. You as a fan don't feel serviced by this season. Sorry your fan service hopes didn't pan out
SteveMND
boxford
So what's fan service?
Osarphi
Writing/creating content not for the sake of progressing the intrigue, exploring the relationship and growth of the characters, but simply
Osarphi
To please the viewers/fans
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Book purists hate it, everyone else loves it, thats pretty much par for any book to screen adaptation though.
Rifneno
People who prefer the JP books to the movies should fed to Kalros. The first time we ever got to see movie dinos that looked REAL!
Smayds
I love the books, and I love the show. They're two different things for me.
MintMission
It's not about sticking to the book, it's about meaningful but unexpected turn of events, which has not happened in the last two seasons.
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
"Meaningful and unexpected" doesn't describe the books, either. GRRM just likes killing characters, that's all.
MintMission
I disagree. For example, red wedding was a direct result of Robb's decision to go with love rather than strategy.
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Im sure the writer never saw that coming....
RisingSol
I never read the books and this season was shit. The writing was awful and there were gapping plot holes. Poorly done season.
TheBritfag
Never read the books. The writing in this series, and the past couple, have been fucking shite.
chooseday
I've never read the books, but i agree with them. The most recent seasons have lacked depth and complexity, and everything is rushed.
chiefwill
I've never read the books. Compare the writing in season 1 to season 7.....
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Season 1: We have strict book progression to follow. Season 7: We're freeeeeeee!!!!!!!
tycllns2
Season 7 : oh shit... We're free...
BitterPasta
Never read the books and I hate last two seasons.
wheresthetoaster
Technically not a book to screen adaptation anymore
Ihaveyourgifsrighthere
SteveMND
I don't think it has anything to do with adapting from the books. Rather, the problem is that this year, they are NOT adapting from the /1
SteveMND
2/ books (as it hasn't been finished yet), and it shows; the writing seems more 'generic TV style' than 'adapted from award-winning author.'
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
You are confusing "adapted from award-winning author" with "we're forced to kill everyone due to GRRM being a psychopath" :p
ballsohard2202
The show is coming to an end. Plot lines are wrapping up. The show is following normal progression. It's what everything has been buildin1/2
ballsohard2202
2/2 up to for 6 seasons. A song of ice and fire isn't about political intrigue going on forever, it's about the final battle vs the undead
gerdygerdygerdy
I wonder if they're purposely doing this so it gives grrm some room for us to still be surprised and intrigued by his book after already
gerdygerdygerdy
Knowing how it ends
gerdygerdygerdy
No. There are some deviations to the books that I've been ok with, like brienne, pod and the hound all still being alive. Brienne getting
guntbagmunkball
We haven't seen any of those folks die though.
gerdygerdygerdy
Brienne and pod were both hanged though it's true not technically dead by the end of the book, it cut off right there after they got hanged.
gerdygerdygerdy
And no you didn't see hound die but someone (a priest) said he died and buried him by a roadside. Could have been a lie, and some people
gerdygerdygerdy
Think the "priest" was the hound himself. Won't know til the next book.
PeopleNeedToStopStealingMyOCUsername
I don't remember brienne dying in the book. The last thing I remember is her meeting Jamie to capture him for Lady Stoneheart I believe
gerdygerdygerdy
Her and pod were hanged by lady stone heart at the end of one of the last books. While hanging, she was supposed to have said 2 words, but
gerdygerdygerdy
He didn't sat what those words were. Just that she said them. Then ended the chapter. Just like that.
aDogThatThinksItsPeople
She didnt die. Near the end of the last book she suddenly shows up to Jaime, who was leading a siege or something, nd told him to follow her
aDogThatThinksItsPeople
I assume she took him to the lady, but the book ended before anythibg was revealed
TurnDown4Brunch
I thought brienne and pod were captured by lady stoneheart and she called for their execution
ThisFrickenGuy
She gave them the option to hang or kill Jaime and at the last second Brienne said she'd do it. She met with Jaime in book 5 after that
ThisFrickenGuy
event. I don't recall if it mentions Pod still being alive though.
gerdygerdygerdy
To kill stannis was great, and stannis attitude about it made me like him in the show. It's the characters that they stripped that I think
gerdygerdygerdy
Makes the show harder.
gerdygerdygerdy
Vary and baelish both deserved way more props than they get in the show. Specifically with baelish having been a mastermind behind so much
gerdygerdygerdy
Of everything that was wrong, they made him too see through, more black and white, more prone to tripping up. Like a cartoon villain.