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Trumpolicious
Oh look, another "Black Lives Don't Matter" post
JPre35
the problem is generalization..hold individuals accountable (cops, criminals, blacks, whites, etc) for whatever reason thats unacceptable
JaiLikeChai
SepiaSkies
That is not what BLM is protesting. They are protesting the impunity of officers who kill unarmed african americans.
illmissyou
Fact checking: /a/aWuM1
illmissyou
It's not the same post, but it's the same ridiculous numbers.
Schliam2014
Going to be honest...Thought that said blacks killed by whales.
happytreeleaf
Should read 'Sharks'
rainbowjo
I think that'd make just as much sense.
funnyfly
If you are gonna put upp a bar graph please source it otherwise itis pretty pointless
realFloridaMan
FBI crime stats 2013
Kleineman15
Could one state that more stores/houses owned by the black community have been looted, by the BLM group, than whites have killed blacks?
realFloridaMan
Yes
Sm9yCg
They are trying hard to increase it. If they continue, they might succeed.
bulbocavernosusreflex
Look mom! I posted it again.
BluesAndTheAbstractKnuth
No, it's not. BLM is protesting racism in law enforcement. This chart has nothing to do with that.
temujin9
Oh, look, another shitty straw man. Amazing.
ItTastesLikePurple
It's about police brutality and misconduct against black people, not "white people"
Whhpssh
Except more white people are shot by police each year than black people.
TheBadDad
Actually it has to do with law enforcement. The racial basis is a side effect that is rapidly taking over.
jonestown
Exactly. Unfortunately, the valid point has been co-opted and the whole movement is now counterproductive.
maniacalmacaroni
Interesting how any comment that mentions police or police shootings being the motivation behind BLM is downvoted.
ItTastesLikePurple
"This false inference I made is facts, the facts you describe is being butthurt"
thewoof
I think you need to take into consideration population demographics. What percentage of each population is killed?
Beleg7
Police don't get away with nearly enough murders to justify being upset about it.
valdbagina69420
Technically aren't they protesting police killing black people?
krunkadunk
I read whites as whales and was confused for a minute
SchmuseTigger
Is that including cop killings? Because those are never ever murder even if the guy did not have a gun..
doublekross
I hope you're being sarcastic, but on Imgur, it's so hard to tell...
SchmuseTigger
It is sarcastic. Because from what I understand the main point with BLM is cops killing unarmed (black) people. Not murders.
Hatrax
So, OP, if someone murdered someone you love, and you checked the stats and it wasn't that common, you'd shrug and say, meh?
Sveniat
Regardless of the legitimacy of this, PLEASE properly scale your histogram. If your bars add up to 100, make the graph go to 100. (1/2)
Sveniat
This makes it look like black on black is like 90% instead of 50%.
VulcanIsSleepy
Jesus, I just can't with this fucking site sometimes.
realFloridaMan
Tumblr is leaking in again guys
PoliticallyInsensitiveReturn
Lets solve the problem of youth violence by resorting to youth violence.
JustHereForTheRiots
BoboTravis
May the odds be ever in your favor
mr707upvote
Thanks Obama!
Jackthebodiless
madjecks
For real, this is suppose to make BLM cause look stupid but I think the issue is more about putting a light on police brutality.
ToxicPineapple
So what did you have for lunch?
madjecks
I dunno why someone would downvote an innocent post like this so I'll even you out.
realFloridaMan
He probably had white bread for lunch and das RAYCIS
QuiteADapperAsshole
No way the number of white people killed by whites vs blacks is near equal.
realFloridaMan
when you look at it on a per capita basis, whites are killed almost 6x more by blacks
Chryos
No, no they aren't. It's slightly over 2x. The source of that 6x number was fucking Stormfront.
realFloridaMan
/a/vhU2q
IronicUsername
This doesn't support your 6x claim, moron.
realFloridaMan
Extrapolate per capita and yeah it does
buttsaredope
How 'bout everyone's life matters and people stop killing people. Cause it's rude. Stop it. Just....Stop it.
BubbaRunski
Super rude. It goes not holding doors, killing people, then phone out in public for the most rude things you can do in social situations.
butternubs2870
You did it, you stopped all homicides.
buttsaredope
realFloridaMan
ya but when you say all lives matter, blm says you're racist, so we can't really dialogue with them there, can we?
DarkerLink
Actually BLM would agree with the stop killing part. Police always start it.
realFloridaMan
Funny because when people say all lives matter, BLM calls them racist lol
rainbowjo
No, when someone raises concerns and you diminish them by wilfully misunderstanding their point, THEN they call you racist.
realFloridaMan
Wtf? I agree with them on police brutality. But when I say ALL lives matter they call me a racist? Cops shouldn't kill innocents period
rainbowjo
All lives matter is their point. They're saying black lives matter *too*. People use 'all lives matter' to imply the point is '*only* BLM'.
Neorago
All lives matter is not the point of many people at those riots, calling for shooting all white people.
realFloridaMan
Well if they call you racist when you say all lives matter... Then they DO mean ONLY black lives matter.
buttsaredope
Yeah, but if you remove everyone's skin, you can't tell what race they are. So maybe we should just start skinning people.
ReallyBadAtImgur
"What? You don't wanna get skinned? You racist bastard!"
realFloridaMan
+1
Whhpssh
I shouldn't have laughed at that but I did.
BeckysaurusRex
Now there's a solution
rainbowjo
You have a very simplistic view of racism. Cops aren't shooting black people for sport. They are reacting with fear fuelled by prejudice.
realFloridaMan
Prejudice backed up by statistics, you mean?
rainbowjo
Black people are more likely to be targeted by the police, therefore black criminals are more likely to be caught, giving us more statistics
realFloridaMan
-rolls eyes-
rainbowjo
So your points are that black people are inherently more violent, but you're upset at being called racist?
realFloridaMan
Cultural, social reasons, whatever it is, they seriously need to be addressed amongst the black community before BLM can be taken seriously
realFloridaMan
Inherently? No. My point is that murder statistics show a current trend that AT THIS MOMENT has blacks being much more violent.
rainbowjo
The notion that black people are more dangerous is not only held by white cops. That's what institutionalised racism means.
realFloridaMan
Profiling their more likely criminals, statistically speaking? Sounds logical to me.
rainbowjo
Confirmation bias explains a lot of crime statistics.
realFloridaMan
-rolls eyes-
GingerJuice
These are all problems and not mutually exclusive. Why is this so prevalent when an officer kills a black person or anyone? There is a 1
GingerJuice
Trust placed into a trained servant of the law and of the people that they are not to kill those they protect unless they are fearing for 2
GingerJuice
Their lives. Officers have also tended to receive lighter sentences than civilians that have used force. Police training needs to continue 3
GingerJuice
To stress the use of lethal force as a last option, however, we have seen high profile instances where this is not the case. On the flip 4
GingerJuice
side, lower rates of violence and a dismissed availability of lethal weapons will in turn reduce the amount of police fatalities as well 5
GingerJuice
as fatalities by the police. Most important, one problem does not diminish the importance of other problems. They exist together.
ItIsJustAJoke
Now replace all of those with cops. Cops killed by blacks, blacks killed by cops, whites killed by cops and see what happens.
eeddwwiinn
Right? BLM movement is more towards the cops not getting charged when they are killed by cops.
metaxum
You forgot cops killed by cops
AllHailTrumPutiNaMo
And cops killed by whites. Otherwise it'll be racist.
illmissyou
Then try measuring it per 1,000,000 of victims race and see what happens.
SchmuseTigger
Does not matter. The percentage will stay the same. And your per 100.000 numbers for people killed by cops is insane anyhow.
illmissyou
Whites killed by blacks: Per murderer pop 9.83 Per victim pop: 1.90. This according to OPs numbers, which I suspect are incorrect anyway
illmissyou
Check your math. White pop: 197M Black pop: 38M Blacks killed by whites: Per murderer pop: 0.77 Per victim pop: 3.99
Keairan
Check the income of those shot. 95%+ are in poverty. 19.7 million whites in poverty, 10.3 million blacks in poverty. Numbers are the same.
SchmuseTigger
Ok, compare the following: Germany had 8 people shot and killed by cops 2013. US had 990 in 2014. Population is about 25% of US.
illmissyou
Oh no doubt. But gun violence in the US in general is a different issue from interracial homicide.
NOINOON
Ooh. Goalposts started moving once math proved you wrong. Nice move!
TraitorousTrump3
Says the guy who flunked high school math.
SchmuseTigger
Actually I'm really good at math. And those comparison numbers are per 100.000 not per 1.000.000.
nsfwlifestyle
cops shoot more white people annually. and cops have to use force in black communities at a higher rate, as they are high crime areas.
ElbowDeepInASnake
Actually it pretty much equals out once you account for population difference with a very slight preference for african americans
FilthyRedmond
Well there are more white people, so that's only "natural"
nsfwlifestyle
this isn't a problem solved with riots and skewed stats. it's a problem deep rooted in our justice system and economy. it's far more1/2
nsfwlifestyle
of a poverty and crime issue then a racial issue. race is a disproportionate variable when discussing these matters due to our history 2/2
LittleAlex90
These are fair points, but BLM are drawing attention to the systemic undervaluing of black lives and communities, 1/2
LittleAlex90
which are noticeable in the ways that those communities are policed and prosecuted. 2/2
nsfwlifestyle
30 years ago when the projects were being established I'd agree. now they have been mostly disbanded and great efforts made to 1/2
nsfwlifestyle
integrate communities and lift up those trapped on the bottom but it's only been 10 or so years. it can take generations to fix such 2/3
nsfwlifestyle
problems through government stimulus programs. in said time police still must govern high crime and low crime areas with different force 3/3
nsfwlifestyle
My neighborhood is shit. we are treated more suspicious and with less leeway then others because our cops are shot at twice a week or more.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not quite. First you have to look at per capita, not total number. Second, you should look at a concept called "over-policing".
1metalnation
got shot at. 2/2
1metalnation
There's such a thing as under policing too, like where my brother in law grew up. Cops didn't go to that block, every time they did they 1/2
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Far less common, but sure.
gewalt
yes, the high crime area is overpoliced, thats what caused all the crime.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
over policed areas, more stops, arrests, and convictions are made in part due to the conception of the people as criminal. This 2/
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
A little, yes. A crime is only noted when a report or an arrest and conviction are made, not when the crime actually happens. In 1/
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
makes some areas seem worse than they are while ignoring the crime common in "nice neighborhoods". Perception and presence matters. 3/3