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Cobaltios
We can't really have a Southern area, since most of the main population of Canada is all along a curved line.
AverySillyName
HER CLOTHES MELTED ON TO HER SKIN
T1Diabeeta
Just means we have some really good lawyers!
U1849KA
The coffee might be more nuanced, but there are still the frozen dinners that all need to tell you to take it out of the carton first. >_<
IUpvoteCatsAndArtPosts
Hey! The old lady just wanted her medical bills to be paid, she didn't want to go to court but McDonalds cornered her.
Soupertrooper
Oddly enough. The story of the lady with the hot McDonald's coffe is actually pretty bad. She went to hospital with serious burns and 1/2
Soupertrooper
Was really close to dying. Google Stella Liebeck lawsuit. 2/2
redbaronshotsauce
Nobody ever mentions her namee
sexxxkitten3698888
Man I expected to be pissed at the comments. I am so happy I'm not :)
LiswanS
That poor woman has been mocked, but all she wanted them to do was cover like 10k of medical expenses when she had to get skin grafts
hardytardigrade
Canada is sorry if you don't smart enough.
Curiousone545
I am not immune to the internet. I went to go find images of the lady that got burned from the coffee,&I don't want to share them.Fuck that.
Hiynastrike
But the cup still has a message about the temperature of it's contents
BenjimanStickyLiquid
You're not invited to my birthday party
Fishnuggs
Its for tourists, sorry.
Shumani
Do they know the lady from that lawsuit that got McD's to put that on the cups nearly died of shock after 3rd degree burns from that coffee?
BishlamekGurpgork
I first read this as 'Maple Flavored Ass'.
sureasyourebornyourenevergoingtoseenounicorn
I'm American so can't confirm, but I bet they have maple flavored asses
BishlamekGurpgork
I don't think you have to be Canadian to confirm this. You just have to know a Canadian.
sureasyourebornyourenevergoingtoseenounicorn
I know Canadians but I don't know any Canadians in a way which would tell me what their asses taste like.
BishlamekGurpgork
That sounds like a situation that could be rectified. Heh. Rectified.
FastLaneTalk
Don't forget to mention that it is made out of paper and you have to hold it with your hand.
Huhwhatcrazy
Clever Canadians!
jaakkopaakkonen
Punitative damaged for the win! Simple invention to screw up your whole society
NotAPervert
When a company makes 1.35 million in just coffee A DAY, any amount tends to be very trivial with no incitement to change their practices
NotaClipaMagazine
The actual story is more complicated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-OLa8iNOk
jaakkopaakkonen
Is always is. The root cause why you have to have disclaimers everywhere is in punitative damages. It screws up lots of other places too.
NotAPervert
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants simple invention to punish a company that otherwise would have laughed
fitnessjen1992
Just so many lawsuits. America
NotAPervert
The McDonald's lawsuit occurred because their coffee was at 180 degrees causing third degree burns in 2-7 seconds.
NotAPervert
The point of the jury awarding high punitive damages was to make McDonald's actually change and lower the temp rather than take the $ hit
NotAPervert
By the McDonald's quality manager's own admission, 700 burn incidents in 10 years or so was economically too few to bother changing policy
Anthraxwastaken
The point of the "warning" isn't to actually warn people, just to prevent them from being able to sue
OhLurkOverThere
Disclosure statements don't stop lawsuits and aren't a defense in court. They just help prevent them.
bamboobuddy
bamboobuddy
We may be sassy, but the Canadian geese are Evil FCUK's!
PeterNormal
the McDonalds lawsuit was far more nuanced than its reputation. They served coffee dangerously hot, hotter than safety standards allowed
FawkesSake
Yes, but this probably implies that the legal loopholes that caused the warning/legal mitagation of company/payout wouldn't have happened
BrenKat
The reputation came when McD's legal and marketing departments got together to go full "Tazmanian Devil" spin doctor on the whole lawsuit.
ShamnusMcfee
It was so fucking hot it gave the woman third degree burns almost instantly. They were serving lethally hot liquids as a beverage. Fucked up
FlareonTheFalseProphet
yeah, the woman went into shock and almost died, all she wanted was McDonalds to pay her medical bills but they wouldn't so she had to sue
FullCrimsonic
Yeah.... I'm not buying McDonalds anymore. I can't read that and go "yeah nah that's about right.
FullCrimsonic
Thing is nearly every fast food place would be like that :(
Thoraxe123
Yup and the woman got 3rd degree burns on her genitals. Almost died, and just wanted Mcdonalds to pay her medical bill. They refused.
Segagenesischalmers
Yes.. it drives me crazy when people say "spill some coffee on myself, get a million dollars, har har har"
notaballoon
Those companies put a lot of effort into making the people who sue them look like greedy morons
NotAPervert
The same company that had just ignored 700 previous burn incidents because $1.35 million a day in just coffee is louder than their pain
DukePhelan
Shhh you're ruining the theme of 'stupid americans don't know coffee is hot lolz' with logic and reason.
INamedMyCatRickyAfterASkidRowSong
If I recall correctly, it was like 190??° and 212°f is boiling. And she just wanted help paying her like $20k medical bills and McD's was
INamedMyCatRickyAfterASkidRowSong
Like "nah fam here's $500."
craz3d
Correct.
allfouledup
Because many people have burned themselves on hot coffee and so they wanted to say "no more!" And a bad time
allfouledup
*And at a bad time. Arguably the worst time
techn1ciaN
The woman had never litigated in her life and only initiated the suit after McD's offered her $730 towards her medical bills
motherfuckinmoonmoon
800+ reports of burns caused by 180 degree temp coffee and still didn't change the policy.
Mindshard
Correct. They were cited for it being too hot previously, just under boiling. She only wanted medical covered. They said no.
lawideas
Paralegal here: Correct. They'd been cited by the health dept multiple times for the coffee being too hot - almost boiling. (1)
lawideas
(4) She sued for just the $10K, not for pain or suffering. She won.
JeffwiththeNukes
McDonald's wouldn't settle so it went to court. The jury thought McDonald's should be punished and awarded her millions.
notaballoon
The figure arrived at I believe was based on the daily revenue from McDonald's coffee sales
lawideas
(3) She needed months of extremely painful skin grafts, which cost her over $10,000. McDonald's offered her $500 to settle.
lawideas
(2) They handed the woman 200F (95C) coffee with a loose lid at the drive through, and it spilled on her lap. She got 2nd degree burns.
NotAPervert
3rd degree burns on 6% of her body, lesser burns on 16%. Permanent disfiguration, 2 years partially disabled.
NotAPervert
The lid wasn't loose until she did so to add cream and sugar, but the temperature served at eliminated a fair chance to respond to a spill
PeterNormal
and the woman never got her millions. They tied it up in court for years
spicerfacts
and she wasn't going after millions, the court was like wtf mcdicks you keep doing this were going to award her millions so you'll stop 1/
spicerfacts
doing this ffs! People kept burning themselves and they kept not fixing the problem 2/2
PsychoWyrm
And she was seriously injured.
iceinacup
Yeah I'm sorry if the coffee is hot enough to give you 3rd degree burns, and skin grafts, then yes, you have a legitimate lawsuit.
ExaDeuce
Also at first she only asked for medical bills
Jackfelldown64
Her family only asked for medical bills, she didnt ask for anything. It was a measly 60k they wanted help with for skin grafts.
gewalt
and her millions was literally just the medical costs.
AStegosaurus
This part is wrong. The medical costs were $10k or so. The judge slapped them with a larger amount because of they were jackasses who had
AStegosaurus
been cited multiple times in the past and did nothing about it, then offered a bullshit settlement of $500. It was punitive.
gewalt
ya, I put air quotes around the word millions, werent you watching me?
DickButtkis
Canada. Where you get a citation for having a cigarette by yourself in your own car away from others.
WelcomeToTheShatterdome
Citations for giving yourself cancer?
kevvywevvy
Just being alive can give you cancer....
UrKungFuNoGood
That can happen in Davis, CA now too.
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UrKungFuNoGood
3) relevant: https://localwiki.org/davis/Smoking
UrKungFuNoGood
1) ~15 years ago Davis passed a law that there can be no smoking within 20 ft of a public building door or window. Cars are not exempt
UrKungFuNoGood
2) so if you are driving down the street in your car (even with the windows up) and you are within 20 ft of a door/window you can be cited
CptKite
We stand on guard for non smokers... i suppose
Youropinionisirrelevant
Don't judge a whole country off the ignorance of a few!
willowed
Watch the doc Hot Coffee.
NotaClipaMagazine
I'm guessing you don't know the details of the case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-OLa8iNOk
Youropinionisirrelevant
I know enough! But there's a lot of stupid people here. Doesn't make us all stupid
FreezeTheBallsOffABrassMonkey
All these comments about coffee being hotter than normal. What the fuck is hotter than normal? You boil water, you make coffee or tea, you/1
NotAPervert
The coffee was 180 degrees, which caused 3rd degree burns in 2-7 seconds. At industry standard 160 it would have taken 20+ seconds for 3rds
NotAPervert
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
FreezeTheBallsOffABrassMonkey
Then drink it when it's an acceptable temperature for your taste. And since water doesn't get hotter than boiling, the fuck you expect?
FreezeTheBallsOffABrassMonkey
It's no wonder people can't fend for themselves. Point is, you should expect that coffee by nature is hot, potentially boiling so be careful
tablecat
The coffee shouldn't be able to cause 3rd degree burn no matter what.
NotAPervert
Coffee at normal temp could, but would take 20 seconds of exposure, not 2-7
TallDude
Do you even know about this lawsuit? 3rd degree burns. It was from a spill.
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
Ay mate lets make fun of an old lady who had 300° coffee spilled on her groin
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ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
That hair tho
yaFuckingWeapon
how the fuck do we people in other countries survive???
TITANEUM
What, 300 K? That's pussy, room temp coffee.
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
Not when it spills ON a pussy
TITANEUM
300 K would literally be pleasant.
PreciousPotato
You think that a warning label might have kept it from spilling?
Perkunas687
I had to watch a video about that case in law school. Her injuries were horrific. The sight was sickening. Poor lady :(
Valgyr
Water boils at 212... coffee is water based
KnucklexGold
It boils at 212, but doesn't stay that way once its passed through dried beans and into a carafe.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
It was canned coffe-flavored vape.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
It's figurative speech. That said, imagine my impression as an SI user when someone replies that it actually was at 180 degrees.
NotaClipaMagazine
Or 202 at 5,300ft in Albuquerque where this happened.
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conniecpu
The main thing the case forced was for companies to use sturdier cups that don't spill as easily, which I think is a good thing.
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conniecpu
1970s/80s cars didn't have enough cup holders I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BishlamekGurpgork
Isn't this the lady who returned the cup twice for not being hot enough, after being told they weren't supposed to make it any hotter?
NotaClipaMagazine
And now the idiots are DVting me. Don't assume you know what you're talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-OLa8iNOk
NotaClipaMagazine
I don't know why you're being DVted. This is correct, it just wasn't on the same day.
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
I don't believe so. Iirc she went through the drive thru
BishlamekGurpgork
Too long ago to remember details, don't care enough to re-research it. I'm just gonna say I think the wounds have healed, and anything that
BishlamekGurpgork
can be said about her is probably worn thin by now.
NEEDMORECOW8ELL
Basically people kept complaining that the coffee was too cold at the drive thru by the time they got where they were going, so McDonald's..
StopStaringAtMyUserNameItsVeryShy
Why would a warning on a cup saying it's hot prevent you from accidentally spilling something?
gewalt
thats not how warnings work. they dont give a fuck about you, they just want to avoid being taken to court.
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
The warning isn't preventing you from spilling, but from suing.
NotAPervert
It was excessively hot, their machine was set to go much higher than normal, resulting in genital fusing.
NotAPervert
The comparison that apparently won in court was at 180 degrees, 3rd degree burns take 2-7 seconds. At 160°, around 20 seconds
NotAPervert
Or at least, 180 was deemed excessive, 160 is closer to standard and wouldn't have injured her the way she was.
jrhawk42
180°... she had 3rd degree burns & originally only asked for what was needed to cover medical expenses for her 3rd degree burns (~$20K)
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
Iirc they found that the coffee was being kept way too hot at that restaurant.
gjm147
Yep, correct.
jrhawk42
McDonalds offered $800, so she lawyer'd up. He offered $90k, & a mediator suggested $200k. McDonalds refused both pre-trial settlements.
jrhawk42
In the trail it came to light that McDonalds knew the coffee was a burn risk, & ignored it anyway. Jury awarded 160k, & 2.7mil in punitive
jrhawk42
then both parties settled out of court so all we know is McDonalds ended up settling for less than $600k.
jrhawk42
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
Chefroy
Yeah. You and I could argue that forever and it wouldn't matter.
Gengarschild
Because you don't care about other sides even when evidence is presented to you showing your biased view is wrong.
Chefroy
My biased view that she only asked for enough to cover her medical expenses but since McDonald's refused she got more?