Apr 8, 2018 2:24 AM
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MisterDonutVampire
The timing is interesting.
pupperonigold
This is terribly disturbing.
lulunicorn
this shouldnt be happening..
zikicajovicic360
And again!! TV was there...
Arsikere
Trump just said we are going to be pulling out of there too. I guess someone didn't want us doing that.
imbettingimnot
Oh my god these babies
Bassaker
Which god?
pocketrocketgroundcontrol
it's called propaganda and the scary thing is, that people will fall for it.
aFactIsAFact
Its funny because its literally sourcing the white helmets which is an Al-Qaeda affiliate
Gra55Hoppa
Source?
SyrianBeans
My people :(
Aathole
This shit breaks my heart. I have done some horrible things in my life. But dont hurt kids. They should br playing in the fucking park.
captain5
My cynical brain says these kids will be the next terrorists as they will bring pain to others as pain was dealt on them
Which is why i am upset. Little bastards should be playing around. On the jungle gym and shit. Not getting bombed. Anyone would turn into a
Cunt if thats what they grew up with.
lazersharks
So they started using different children now
NotADodgeBallCannon
what am I looking at?
You’re looking at a kid who was “saved” from from three different chemical attacks in three different locations in Syria. Imagine that.
HK47Statement
Was it really Assad....last time a this happened it turned out to not to be his regime but in fact was rebels trained and aided by the US...
GneissPags
This was Sarin gas, dropped from a barrel drum from helicopter.
Manyak3ars
Western terrorist propaganda. I’m from Lebanon, beware who you actually support. Nothing here is what it seems like.
mynameisextremelyrelevant
Good to see outright Propaganda is alive and well in usersub
Ch1ll1ng
Well as long as people are able to comment doupt it is acknowledgment of suffering of the innocent.
JediDavid
SanKa13
I love it how everyone blame assad with 0 proof. Same as Skripal situation in London. 0 evidence that the FSB was behind it.
CtiticalThinking
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/if-us-plans-terrorist-false-flag-chemical-attack-justify-bombing-syria-russia-says
I think we shoild be friends
SunBrolem
Because people keep thinking with their emotions. Thats what this propaganda is designed to do.
Just to clarify, Im not saying it didnt happen and that USA is behind it. I think it someone who benefits from blaming Assad
vigilance019
Riiiight, because Russia has no history of assassinating or trying to assassinate people that they perceive as a threat.
KristanDL
And that is exactly what western countries are trying to use. "They did it before so it must be them again. Case closed."
Right. Of course. Next you're gonna tell me the moon landing was fake.
It wasn't. There was lots of evidence to it. But not in that case, no hard evidence, but fingers are pointed and charges were pressed.
And USA has none? Try entire fucking latin america, coups, assassinations, election rigging
Never said anything of the sort. Although in Latin America, mostly the killing was done by their governments, while the US provided intel.
ButtholeMarsBarDispenser
Anybody who is willing to do this to children should lose the right to be considered human. They are monsters.
Laggmonster8
Monsters trained and equipped by the United States
Do you have a source?
Megarith
Well, the other false flags worked, may as well throw in another to sway public favour before a peace conference, hmm?
warick
So... fake news just like last time?
Steffn
Are you saying it didn't happen?
He's saying it happened, but the perpetrator is not who we're being told it is, and this is all serving an agenda.
Yes, that's it.
gtsr
Oh, yes.
beatlegs
to all the useless retards calling this a false flag and fake news: go fuck yourselves
marcofossil
It's St. Petersburg troll factory at work.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
Yeah, and Iraq totally had those WMDs, right? This story makes no sense; Assad was winning, the rebels were almost done.
He knows damn well what kind of international reaction there would be for a chem attack. This gains him nothing, but it sure helps the rebs.
100PercentLatex
Wait... but chemical weapons are illegal he can’t do that! (Joking)
colonelrussia
He didn't, he gave all of Syrian chemical warfare to the US to be destroyed.
marcusosappus
Assad was allowed to keep Chlorine and undeclared chemical weapons. Total amateurs running the State department.
FrenchPressBenchPress
Legality in this case gives, whoever wants to, the mandate to bomb the fuck out of the perpetrator.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
"Even Hitler didn't use chemical weapons!" /s who remembers that little gem?
LavaAxe
I thought the Russians helped disarm Assad of his chemical weapons. LOL JK the Russians probably sold him new ones to use on kids.
WannabeMaverick
The thing is if rebels actually succeed and take over then chemical weapons are in their jihadi hands. Either way Assad has them or 1/2
Terrorists have them. Something has to be done to take them out of the country and I believe that Assad will allow the UN to take them. 2/2
Jusmar
Yeah we banned chemical weapons. Mission accomplished.
mcquintrix
As long you got yourself backing by a similar country who uses that on former spies?
His enemies couldn't attack lealist villages and then call the West press and say that Assad did it,no jihadi are too honorable to do it. jk
Maraak
Except so far the "defense" for Assad's gas attacks have been that the rebels were gassing THEMSELVES, the exact opposite.
There have been reports of missing lealists (previously kidnapped by jihadis) found among the dead gassed bodies.
n1c3cleantoilet
Tbh do we know Assad is doing this?
ksh2657
Nope
l8rz
If the Russians would stop blocking the international efforts to get proper answers we would. Russia support Asshead so we can extrapolate.
TL;DR: no
hurrdurr69
The proper answers? How about the US stops creating problems for the rest of the world, eh? They've done enough searching for "answers"
The first UN inquiry found clues about the jihadi being behind the attacks, so it wouldn't be in Russian's interests to block inquries.
Loxachi
They also found evidence to implicate the Syrian government as well. Yet they can't be sure whose doing what ATM outside of a few cases 1
I'm sure this time there is proof that 's been Assad and not the Jihadi scum like they did in the past (ask Carla Del Ponte).
esbear
There is a difference between ruthless and retarded, Assad is the former, and I have seen no indication that he is the latter.
Oh yes this time is definitely real, look at the children!!! Don't you care about the children??????
Madethisusernameforonereason
Of course! We cared enough to drop 13,000 bombs a year on them. Let's do more!
Unfortunately we were hitting the wrong target. The FSA are on the GREEN parts of the map, not the red.
blurgh
Its funny when killed children is used to justify actions that will kill more children. Well not funny but incredibly sad
Oh thank god Im not the only one whos uses critical thinking skills
Don't worry the Russians will muddle the waters so soon nobody will be able to blame anyone and there's no-one responsible.
It's pretty strange that Assad does a chemical attack every time the jihadis are cornered. If you followed the news 1/2
You'll know that the bombing campaign in that area started about 1 or 2 weeks ago,this was the end of it,why gas now that the jh are leaving
Dostugsnotdrugs
Lezio
Again? Sauce please?
KathyChung
https://www.washingtonpost.com
The Ministry of Truth
HassanAlSabbah
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-43686157
eastbayrae
Are you serious? It's been all over the world news.
norill
oh, you mean it's on the TV? shame
Dontyouhatepants
Just like in Ghouta, Syrian rockets covered in sarin gas. But the rockets hit a rebel held sarin depot. Fuck Assad, but fuck all this.
scrim4
That’s not how shit works. Sarin gas isn’t stored mixed, the components aren’t mixed until it’s to be used. If you bomb a sarin gas…
…stockpile, you just put the isopropyl on fire and that’s it. Getting sarin gas from bombing binary components is ridiculous.
NewtNewts
They never proved it the first time and the first time was just as weird and nonsensical as this
propalestine
'Murican?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43686157
opdeliversifrequested
The bbc is run by nonces. This will have been faked just so thay could film half dressed children.
Lmao if bbc says its true than it must be true. They were in the front with cnn lying about iraq’s WMDs
daguq
He's right, though.
TadashiK
That was Bush who made that claim popular...
sexbolt
That last kid really needed that oxygen, was staring to go blue....poor bloke
TheMostSensibleofChuckles
Cyanotic is the term.
DoctorDrowsy
That was a beta agonist, astma medicine.
JasmineWindsong
That’s not oxygen
CallMeDuffman
They weren't saying it was oxygen, just that the kid really needed oxygen...
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Bullshit. Nonsense propaganda. Syria is almost free. Why the almighty fuck would he use chemical weapons on his own people you 1/2
1mshadowbanned
Yep 90% of the rebels had already withdrawn from Ghouta the last pocket agreed to leave then changed their Jihadi minds.
free huh
Fucking morons. Chem weapons have always had the harshest response so why would he jeopardize his power? Ask yourself who would? 2/2
REAGANSMASH84
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-39500947
I don't understand why people believe any of this. The UN has never turned up any indication he has chemical weapons ANYWHERE.
loki25
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24130181
Didn't happen in world War one? Or the kurds in iraq? Or kosovo?
I mean, if we want to reach back into history, false flags are hardly uncommon either...
alexanderwawawa
He has done it many times before. (according to the UN, USA & OPCW)
No he hasn't you fucking liar. Stop reading bullshit sources. The UN has NEVER conclusively said he has chemical weapons. Look it up.
The last one I recall the U.N. inspectors ruled the rebs accidentally gassed themselves. Kerry & State used YOUTUBE as his source there.
Tillerson admitted there was no proof Assad had ever used chemical weapons.
oumajgad
Actualy, no. He didn't. That's the thing. Everytime there's some rebels getting wrecked chem attack happens. Mysterious isn't it?
So you are saying that the UN is lying?
Look up the Carla Del Ponte video stating that the rebels likely did it and not the gov. She was the leader of the UN investigation
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-investigator/syria-investigator-del-ponte-signs-off-with-a-sting-idUSKCN1BT29Q
What UN? UN haven't said a word yet about who did this attack.
I never said that they did. But I did say the the UN have confirmed chem attacks from Assad earlier in the war.
This whole thing makes no sense. Assad was winning, and he knows that pulling a stunt like this would only hurt him. Real fuckin fishy.
TheChurchOfUpvote
There’s a lot of weird shit going on but it should be noted the civilians are the victims not the rebels which is odd and evidence 1
sandcastles
this x1000
StuffedHumanTaxidermist
It's for that exact reason why I don't believe it has anything to do with Assad. It's more likely what's left of IS or FSA doing this
Remember the last chemical attack that was blamed on Assad and it fizzled out
ElZaghal
As an arab... the syrian army has not used chemical weapons nor the heaviest of missiles/bombs. A heavy scud could flatten a neighbourhood.
DoNotGiveAFuck
Winning but why blow up the building with people in side when with chemicals he kills the people but doesn't destroy the buildings
Because he knows damn well that he'll lose a lot more than a few buildings by pulling some shit like this. He isn't stupid.
OriginaIPoster
Exactly. He's striking positions that rebels have agreed to leave? Sus as fuck
It’s imgur. Dont expect anything from here because we are all a joke.
It’s a sad that the civilians should have to suffer because of the wants of two groups of dumbasses 3
Regarding these chemical attacks also show that the rebels have also been using such despicable tactics. This war is one with no good guys 2
might be a double bluff. he can very believably claim that such thing would only hurt him, allowing him to actually pull this off
Tonsofun101
Again, this would prove nothing and only provoke the US and give the war hawks another juicy target. Does he want to end up like Gaddafi?
unless he successfully convinces them that it was a provocation by FSA or ISIS
totalsolution
which still wouldn't make any sense because he can take that suburbs through other means without the US pointing fingers
then why he didnt yet?
because others are telling him not to kill everyone because they're retards who aren't really fighting a war but yelling to take the moral
high route and try to end this peacefully which has been impossible for years now,but they don't care because it's not their country getting
Didn't the americans destroy all his chemical weapons in agreement with assad early in the war.?
Gawky
Hey! the Danish Navy was also involved
imgurisgo
They seem to be very good at hiding WMDs
Vedar
I know so little of the politics of that area and the whole thing that I don't believe I'm in any position to pick sides or point blame.
Look up Scott Horton. You’ll learn so much about the region.
ShotsoMilk
-the rebels' faults but we have seen them hide in hospitals in their battles against the Kurds up in northern Syria.
[deleted]
Turkey just used rebels as mercenaries to capture the Kurdish city of Afrin. They displaced the Kurdish residents and are replacing them w/-
Arabs and Turkmen. There's also a lot of rebel infighting because Turkey is terrible at reigning in their proxies.
Assad doesn't have that much of a reign on his forces. This could have been an isolated incident from some officer as much as it could be-
PeachIcedTea
Bashar is like his father. It’s not just about winning. It’s about the message. Read up on Hama.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
This shit is insane, why is America not swinging its dick around
d0o0o0d
You remember all that criticism Bush got for acting like the world cop? How the next guy won the election by promising to be different?
Hybris51129
Damned if we do damned if we don't. Let the Euro's step up for once and handle the peacekeeping. Maybe then they will understand reality.
Its probably good that we aren't pushing hard in Syria just simply because its clear that we don't have the will needed to fight in the ME.
Johnny5dicks
*stick
therobisaur
Bc WWIII
Ayzay
Because russia's got his balls out and if we touch them, it's gay.
Murder all those Soviet fuckers! Nuke Moscow!
jghaverty8888
Easy tiger.
rohanban10
America swinging it's dick around is exactly why shit like this is happening
CuddlyDwagon
Are you mentally deficient?
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
Hot take from “hurrdurr69”. Where did you study diplomacy again, “hurrdurr69”?
The real question is: why is the US is illegally occupying almost half of Syria? Should the US retreat the war would end immediately.
TinyRocktopus
No the REAL question is why did Obama use chemicals to turn the frickin frogs gay
Even with all the financing from Saudia Arabia, the jihadi could do very little against a trained army.
No shit. But we're there because Shell found fucking oil and the pipelines to Europe are of critical importance.
Mate don't try. Fuckin sheep on this website. Don't understand Assad gassing his own citizens is the last message he wants sent. Was not him
destinoz
The real question is, do you really believe that garbage? That's reads like some crazy Russian Facebook "news" link.
Yeah he should quote cnn, they’re trustworthy right?
Russian facebook? LOL Just turn on a TV and look at a map of Syria. The "Kurdish"zones (ususally yellow) are the ones occupied by the US.
JESTER31
Because it’s true? American forces occupy much of northern Syria along with the SDF, they are building bases. 1/2
Only part they don’t occupy is the Turkish enclave. 2/2
KartFnocker
He's supported by Russia and Iran and nobody cares enough to fight them over it. Sad but true.
No its fucking not you fool. Why would he gas his own people when he almost has control of his country again? Why would he risk 1/2
A fucking UN incursion to stop the Chen attacks? It ain't fuckin Assad gassing people is what I'm guessing at. But terrorists 2/3
Gassing a village to get more western support does not seem more likely to you? Learn some fuckin critical thinking. 3/3
I don't assume anything about it this early, and neither should you.
Camelspotting
Because they can't touch him?
Russia it's on the right side for once (since the other side is Talibans, Al Queda and ISIS).
There's way more sides in Syria than just those two though
Taliban is in Afghanistan dipshit.
Salty? Look at a map, Afghanistan is not far from Syria.
What's your definition of not far? Damascus to Kabul is about 10% of the Earth's circumference.
SaharaB
Why do you say "for once", over the annals of history it's probably been on the right side more often than the wrong side.
And by annals of history you mean a few years during the early 20th century.
It's just a figure of speech, I didn't count the times they were in the right and the ones they were in the wrong.
TheBretters
Are you saying my country doesn't actually care about the well being of the world?
It depends, what is your country?
YouMightHateMe
Can we make money from it?
lncorrectGrammerNazi
Not saying the country doesn’t. Just almost everyone with actual authority capable of helping.
SubZeroWithAFever
Welp, tell the squad who went to Bin Laden's house to start stretching. Somebody needs a paddlin
Ydafuqitmattertho
Guess who's getting Freedom for Christmas!
LizardEnterprises
Never gonna happen. Assad is Putin's ally, and Trump is Putin's bitch. That's why we're pulling out...
ArtIsntSafe
Your comment screams "I don't pay attention to the news".
CPatricoo
Ahahahahahahhaa nope not this time. Russian-back. That means no problems.
gtotherizzle
Riiight, and push us closer to a war with Russia? Never happen
six187
That will never happen both have too much to lose and nothing to gain from it. Those big words from usa and russia are just propaganda
Hendlton
Who? Asaad? He dies, and then what? You'd get a dozen others nowhere nearly as powerful, but all with their own agendas.
Vaanhalen
An d more bloodthirsty. Its like Libya: either way theyll still be run by Libyans. Can only be so choosy
Toderdj
They all died last year
ItsChimpsYo
Don't forget that dog!
phs1706
the US doesnt want Assad gone.
Sipulikeitto
Seal Team 666, because Assad ain't no ordinary evil.
Poofingers
U mean the ones that crashed a helicopter outside his compound?
Woahouch110
Well he did crash a few planes into buildings... it only seems fair.
mallyStar
Someone needs a paddlin indeed and has been in need of said paddlin for some time now.
thatsapaddalin
Id be happy to assist
Steeltalon
IKR? Are they taking applications?
charlottadupont
Yes, at the Armed Forces Recruitment office. It is a great adventure, I can attest
... And its the FSA fucks who did this for attention so they could blame Assad.
WeaponizedJerk
Because because that fucking solved everything last time right?
dath84
Wow, you're so smart. Where are you getting your sauce from CNN? Dumb fuck.
rm23fx
Why do you think CNN lies? Show me a single article from CNN that is wrong.
wrongthread
Hugh rawr right with you and all bro but we are the baddies too so don’t get your hopes up unless you go yourself Mercica dont care about em
StarrryNight
Get the SAS to do it and they might not crash the helicopter
fozzibab
If they actually gave a shit about this they'd have done something years ago, during the Arab Spring. They don't give a shit.
aCartographer
Situation in Syria is horrible sure, but what about US stops dicking around where they don't belong.
Fishsandwish
Yeah cause it’s just the US working in Syria right now
US and Russia need some place to show off their toys, make their people believe terrorism is being fought
YeahNa
I'll tell you what. When you convince Russia, China and whoever else is playing power games to stop, then I'll agree the US should too.
AlMolk
Who else will stand up to evil? Unless you think this isn't an affront on basic human rights?
US should deal with their own issues before going around creating them for others. Middle-east would be better off if US was never there
Cheomesh
Yep. In 06 I'd be all like "Kick their shit in!" over gassing kids. Now...eh.
It's the criminal Russians that need to stop dicking around.
HenryNJessicaPate
Give them boys Intel, and unleash those glorious bastards. And stay the fuck out of their way.
shmekie
Why do they need a well-regarded computer processor?
Especially their helicopter pilot
FantabulousMan
We know exactly where Putin is though.
Fluffycorn
Hes already waiting for them
Geckuro
Yeah hes in russia. has attacking russia ever worked?
Macewindow54
But it’s spring. We have all year.
Suur
We could use the mongols tbh
Silas007
secretoaster
Seal team 6
BeerIsProofThatGodLovesUsAndWantsUsToBeHappy
Devgru
fen4
The amount of focus and control these entities posses is staggering.
Noob3rts
True? Fabricated? You be the judge. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash.html
My buddy from high school died in that crash. Whether it’s true or fabricated I don’t know. But his kids will never see their dad again.
I wasn't trying to be insensitive, but if you took it that way I apologize. I was just trying to show people the story about them that I saw
ilikebenches
Yeah but fox lol
dgtalchal
As an atheist, I really do hope I'm wrong and there's a god out there where he'll fuck up those kind of people in the afterlife.
codyshredd
Atheist..... Go Agnostic.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
Or OR.. hear me out.... We could DO something to make this kind of shit dangerous for the perpetrators? Like assassinate them EVERY TIME?
You need to identify the perpetrators first, and then convince every Murican of the truth. In other words, impossible.
Ulgoroth
As another atheist: Even if god exists, he s the biggest war criminal and he let all of this happend, so he don t deserve worshiping.
TickleMeFlymo
Reminds me of a reported Holocaust survivor quote that went "if there is a God, he will have to beg for my forgiveness".
tracereading
As an atheist, I can think of no better punishment than total oblivion.
UnapologeticTeaEnjoyer
If there is a God. Fuck him for letting that happen. People did this, plain and simple. It's humanity's job to demand their heads.
AnApologeticCanadian
Unfortunately if God is real it is quite apparent that it does not choose sides.
LawmanLata
Tell that to Ramses
Gantzz321
as a fellow atheist I hope there is a god out there so I can fuck him up for allowing this to happen.
GordonMcSorley
Thats what we do. We destroy everything for an excuse
How can you care for them if you do not believe in morality? (I am assuming you are a materialist and mean no disrespect but don’t follow u)
Hughesy99
Are you saying morality comes from religious beliefs? It doesn't. Morality is part of the human condition. Parents teaching the golden rule.
FabulousOtters
I mean he seems pretty ok with it happening in the first place.
iNeverMadeItThisFarBefore
Can't leave these things for god
PanochaPounder9000
Atheist are like vegans
Morneblade
You're thinking of Christians.
UnknownSquid
Eh, I don't think I would want there to be a god if that was the way he operates. Useless punishments in the afterlife don't really help.
thtguyjosh
I’ve really always hated the mindset that because people do horrible things that means god is shit. 1/2
rileypixl28
When theres insects that's life's purpose is to burrow into other animals eyeballs to lay their eggs and god is supposed to have 1/2
Intelligently designed them, it comes into question.
I mean.. i don’t hear the insect complaining. Sounds like a good deal for him.
2/2 it’s like if you hit someone with a car and I went “Damn you automakers!!”
3toedsloth
So god isnt in control of anything? He just made adam and eve & sits back saying "let's see what happens"? What's even the point of prayer?
Sure, why not. And probably not much point even with the existence of a diety. Couldn’t hurt?
JetMarks
No, your automaker is a shite comparison. Our autos have safety features. They're designed to keep you safe even if they fuck up. And they
Didn't really expect for this to spark a conversation, but what I'm saying is that I wish the concept of a hell or karma or something..
...similar is true to punish people who do such things. Though you have a point, if such an entity exists, why would he/she/it permit it to
RasterSojourn
(1)If there is a higher being, it's exactly the direct reflection the the world created. No amount human understanding or imagination can...
(2) explain away the existance of both cruelty or... to an equal degree, compassion in the first place.
Happen.
paddleup
If there were a god that could do that, there wouldn't be an attack in the first place
Well, God works in mysterious ways, he has a plan for all of us, everything happens for a reason, etc.
That's what lazy people that don't want to drive their own life say.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
The plans for these kids is to traumatized for the rest of their lives or die from a Chemical attack... what a great plan that is!
Yes there would - without free will and the possibility for grave evil you would be a robot.
Crimsonak
Free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive. If a god knows everything, and can do anything. Then everything is what the God decided.
Reformed Christian Theology (which I believe for the most part) teaches that we are both correct and that the two facts together r a paradox
They *can't* both be true though. Calling it a paradox doesn't explain that away. Omniscient and omnipotent means there can be no free will.
HappyBucket
That really depends on your definition of a God, I'd say. There's many.
That said, I'm an agnostic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agnostic doesn't mean anything in this context. You can be an agnostic theist.
Oh, I've most likely misinterpreted the definition/meaning of agnostic then. My bad
ohokaywhatevs
I’m usually not an aggressive person but I wish that I could end the people who hurt these children.
gelos
I'd like to join this club. I have several fantasies I want to make true with those people, it will take few years tho, I'm ok with it
stevema
you said it right, first people need to verify the claim that this was from Assad, there's no excuse for who did it 1/2
but journalism when it comes to Assad and what he's doing is spotty at best, don't make one tragedy into two by running in without the info
TheCeilingIsLava
that's okay. your aggression would only be concerning if you started fantasizing about torturing him, I've seen way too much of that here
A simple kill all children muderers button would be ideal, I’m against torture. Torture shouldn’t be used against anyone, good or evil.
So you’re agnostic?
No, fuckup. Atheist means “not believing in a god”.
kalumanati
"Not believing in anything". You believe in the universe having a scientific purpose for you? Not Atheist.
Now you’re inventing new meanings as well. Look, it’s very simple. Theist = believes in a god/s. Atheist = doesn’t.
SanityPup
Don't be a butt.
gabiinunderland
I think he means that this is the one exception to his rule of not believing in God. Bc the ppl that do this do it in the name of a God.
Yep
That's not really the meaning of agnostic.
Agnostic means you don’t know, you’re neutral. Their comment implies they’re neutral.
He said he's an Atheist that would like to be wrong. That doesn't imply he he thinks he might be. Same as if someone said they want to...
2) believe in Santa, it doesn't mean they actually have any inclination to it being a possibility. "Want" vs actual beliefs. Key difference.
ChairmanMittens
Agnosticism is more of a “I don’t know and I never will know” type of attitude toward religion, god (big g or little), and an afterlife.
Sheepyhead
More an "I want to believe" than "I do believe" I suppose
Yes, exactly. Thank you.
KingOfAntarctica
No, God is dead. We, his most cherished creation, have murdered him. I would say God save us all but... oops?
whyexactly
If there is, why the fuck is he letting this happen now?
There isn’t, obviously, but way to fail reading comprehension.
cscottdostuff
Because God is incomprehensible to humans and it's useless to question. Don't bother with the source of good and evil, just pick which 1/
side you want to fight on because good and evil will continue on regardless of faith.
Free will is a thing
Tracomaster
Watch 'the adjustment bureau'. Some romantic stuff but the concept is pretty cool
salokindoc
Not for children. In fact it’s not thing other that a believed subjective reality. Just cause you say it doesn’t mean it’s true
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Shit excuse. Free will is already hugely bounded, human bias, greed, and evil is predictable af. If we were created by a god it didn't (1/?)
just give us totally pure and random freedom of thought, it designed our psyches to operate and respond to stimulus in a very (2/?)
RedStreak
That's not what free will means though, it's pretty clear what's meant by free will is God not intervening and changing your choices
particular way. So why didn't it design us to be generally nicer to one another? To be less susceptible to delusion and dishonesty and (3/?)
RandomQuack
Free will & God's plan are contradictory
akspartankiiier
Because everyone keeps screaming that He is fake. Would you help people who decided to go do their own thing and not believe in you?
You are wrong God is constantly helping the wicked and those who hate Him. I do not have the answers but God is not petty
spoiler alert: he doesn't exist.
So he allows the cruel treatment to children who can’t understand what a god is. Also do religious people not suffer ?
CitizenDickbag
Ummm billions of people believe, so that claim is absurdly untrue.
Yes. Because I am neither sadistic nor a complete asshole.
ensensu
Would you write people like that in a story you wrote?
EarlGreyOrDeath
"Some people don't believe. Better subject kids to a gas atrack." Yep, sounds like the "loving" lord I was raised with.
What does that have to do with CHILDREN? If your imaginary friend punishes children for the actions of adults then he's a piece of shit.
Exactly
A wonderful example of how fucked-up the Christian mind is, and a perfect explanation of why their god is so fucked-up.
stealthbr17
It's your God as well, you just don't know it yet. For EVERY knee shall bow etc etc . Our mind cannot comprehend His will. Like an
anthill in Africa knowing about the moon, stars and the universe to the 10th power. There will be a Judgement day. Our wishes in this
Because this doesn't matter,it's temporary. Those who suffer get to go to heaven, so this is actually good. At least according to the Bible.
That sounds like a pretty weak excuse.
It is. it's just something that was made up a couple thousand years ago, to make people feel less shitty about their lives.
Except according to the Bible these kids will go to Hell, too.
Why exactly? I'm guessing because they're Muslim, but you could argue they had no choice in the matter.
Voltorez
That’s one of the reasons the Bible is bullshit dude it doesn’t matter wether or not they had a choice different religion equals hell.
Yeah but there's no exception carved out for non-Christian kids. Not baptized = hell bound, according to the church.
level1imgur
Not planning for a religious debate, but that viewpoint defers depending on which denomination you are. Some believe Hell is a temporary /1
punishment, others believe it is permanent. Many of the "fine points" of religion in general is still up for debate within their own /2
believers; that's why there are so many religions in the first place. The worst issue is that everyone thinks they are the right party, /3
I did not know that. I feel like "Eternity in hell" would be a staple since anything temporary wouldn't deter some people from sin.
MisterDonutVampire
The timing is interesting.
pupperonigold
This is terribly disturbing.
lulunicorn
this shouldnt be happening..
zikicajovicic360
And again!! TV was there...
Arsikere
Trump just said we are going to be pulling out of there too. I guess someone didn't want us doing that.
imbettingimnot
Oh my god these babies
Bassaker
Which god?
pocketrocketgroundcontrol
it's called propaganda and the scary thing is, that people will fall for it.
aFactIsAFact
Its funny because its literally sourcing the white helmets which is an Al-Qaeda affiliate
Gra55Hoppa
Source?
SyrianBeans
My people :(
Aathole
This shit breaks my heart. I have done some horrible things in my life. But dont hurt kids. They should br playing in the fucking park.
captain5
My cynical brain says these kids will be the next terrorists as they will bring pain to others as pain was dealt on them
Aathole
Which is why i am upset. Little bastards should be playing around. On the jungle gym and shit. Not getting bombed. Anyone would turn into a
Aathole
Cunt if thats what they grew up with.
lazersharks
So they started using different children now
NotADodgeBallCannon
what am I looking at?
lazersharks
You’re looking at a kid who was “saved” from from three different chemical attacks in three different locations in Syria. Imagine that.
HK47Statement
Was it really Assad....last time a this happened it turned out to not to be his regime but in fact was rebels trained and aided by the US...
GneissPags
This was Sarin gas, dropped from a barrel drum from helicopter.
Manyak3ars
Western terrorist propaganda. I’m from Lebanon, beware who you actually support. Nothing here is what it seems like.
mynameisextremelyrelevant
Good to see outright Propaganda is alive and well in usersub
Ch1ll1ng
Well as long as people are able to comment doupt it is acknowledgment of suffering of the innocent.
JediDavid
SanKa13
I love it how everyone blame assad with 0 proof. Same as Skripal situation in London. 0 evidence that the FSB was behind it.
CtiticalThinking
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/if-us-plans-terrorist-false-flag-chemical-attack-justify-bombing-syria-russia-says
aFactIsAFact
I think we shoild be friends
SunBrolem
Because people keep thinking with their emotions. Thats what this propaganda is designed to do.
SanKa13
Just to clarify, Im not saying it didnt happen and that USA is behind it. I think it someone who benefits from blaming Assad
vigilance019
Riiiight, because Russia has no history of assassinating or trying to assassinate people that they perceive as a threat.
KristanDL
And that is exactly what western countries are trying to use. "They did it before so it must be them again. Case closed."
vigilance019
Right. Of course. Next you're gonna tell me the moon landing was fake.
KristanDL
It wasn't. There was lots of evidence to it. But not in that case, no hard evidence, but fingers are pointed and charges were pressed.
SanKa13
And USA has none? Try entire fucking latin america, coups, assassinations, election rigging
vigilance019
Never said anything of the sort. Although in Latin America, mostly the killing was done by their governments, while the US provided intel.
ButtholeMarsBarDispenser
Anybody who is willing to do this to children should lose the right to be considered human. They are monsters.
Laggmonster8
Monsters trained and equipped by the United States
ButtholeMarsBarDispenser
Do you have a source?
Megarith
Well, the other false flags worked, may as well throw in another to sway public favour before a peace conference, hmm?
warick
So... fake news just like last time?
Steffn
Are you saying it didn't happen?
SunBrolem
He's saying it happened, but the perpetrator is not who we're being told it is, and this is all serving an agenda.
warick
Yes, that's it.
gtsr
Oh, yes.
beatlegs
to all the useless retards calling this a false flag and fake news: go fuck yourselves
marcofossil
It's St. Petersburg troll factory at work.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
Yeah, and Iraq totally had those WMDs, right? This story makes no sense; Assad was winning, the rebels were almost done.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
He knows damn well what kind of international reaction there would be for a chem attack. This gains him nothing, but it sure helps the rebs.
100PercentLatex
Wait... but chemical weapons are illegal he can’t do that! (Joking)
colonelrussia
He didn't, he gave all of Syrian chemical warfare to the US to be destroyed.
marcusosappus
Assad was allowed to keep Chlorine and undeclared chemical weapons. Total amateurs running the State department.
FrenchPressBenchPress
Legality in this case gives, whoever wants to, the mandate to bomb the fuck out of the perpetrator.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
"Even Hitler didn't use chemical weapons!" /s who remembers that little gem?
LavaAxe
I thought the Russians helped disarm Assad of his chemical weapons. LOL JK the Russians probably sold him new ones to use on kids.
WannabeMaverick
The thing is if rebels actually succeed and take over then chemical weapons are in their jihadi hands. Either way Assad has them or 1/2
WannabeMaverick
Terrorists have them. Something has to be done to take them out of the country and I believe that Assad will allow the UN to take them. 2/2
Jusmar
Yeah we banned chemical weapons. Mission accomplished.
mcquintrix
As long you got yourself backing by a similar country who uses that on former spies?
gtsr
His enemies couldn't attack lealist villages and then call the West press and say that Assad did it,no jihadi are too honorable to do it. jk
Maraak
Except so far the "defense" for Assad's gas attacks have been that the rebels were gassing THEMSELVES, the exact opposite.
gtsr
There have been reports of missing lealists (previously kidnapped by jihadis) found among the dead gassed bodies.
n1c3cleantoilet
Tbh do we know Assad is doing this?
ksh2657
Nope
l8rz
If the Russians would stop blocking the international efforts to get proper answers we would. Russia support Asshead so we can extrapolate.
SunBrolem
TL;DR: no
hurrdurr69
The proper answers? How about the US stops creating problems for the rest of the world, eh? They've done enough searching for "answers"
gtsr
The first UN inquiry found clues about the jihadi being behind the attacks, so it wouldn't be in Russian's interests to block inquries.
Loxachi
They also found evidence to implicate the Syrian government as well. Yet they can't be sure whose doing what ATM outside of a few cases 1
gtsr
I'm sure this time there is proof that 's been Assad and not the Jihadi scum like they did in the past (ask Carla Del Ponte).
esbear
There is a difference between ruthless and retarded, Assad is the former, and I have seen no indication that he is the latter.
SunBrolem
Oh yes this time is definitely real, look at the children!!! Don't you care about the children??????
Madethisusernameforonereason
Of course! We cared enough to drop 13,000 bombs a year on them. Let's do more!
SunBrolem
Unfortunately we were hitting the wrong target. The FSA are on the GREEN parts of the map, not the red.
blurgh
Its funny when killed children is used to justify actions that will kill more children. Well not funny but incredibly sad
aFactIsAFact
Oh thank god Im not the only one whos uses critical thinking skills
LavaAxe
Don't worry the Russians will muddle the waters so soon nobody will be able to blame anyone and there's no-one responsible.
gtsr
It's pretty strange that Assad does a chemical attack every time the jihadis are cornered. If you followed the news 1/2
gtsr
You'll know that the bombing campaign in that area started about 1 or 2 weeks ago,this was the end of it,why gas now that the jh are leaving
Dostugsnotdrugs
Lezio
Again? Sauce please?
KathyChung
https://www.washingtonpost.com
CtiticalThinking
The Ministry of Truth
HassanAlSabbah
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-43686157
eastbayrae
Are you serious? It's been all over the world news.
norill
oh, you mean it's on the TV? shame
CtiticalThinking
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/if-us-plans-terrorist-false-flag-chemical-attack-justify-bombing-syria-russia-says
Dontyouhatepants
Just like in Ghouta, Syrian rockets covered in sarin gas. But the rockets hit a rebel held sarin depot. Fuck Assad, but fuck all this.
scrim4
That’s not how shit works. Sarin gas isn’t stored mixed, the components aren’t mixed until it’s to be used. If you bomb a sarin gas…
scrim4
…stockpile, you just put the isopropyl on fire and that’s it. Getting sarin gas from bombing binary components is ridiculous.
NewtNewts
They never proved it the first time and the first time was just as weird and nonsensical as this
propalestine
'Murican?
FrenchPressBenchPress
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43686157
opdeliversifrequested
The bbc is run by nonces. This will have been faked just so thay could film half dressed children.
SanKa13
Lmao if bbc says its true than it must be true. They were in the front with cnn lying about iraq’s WMDs
daguq
He's right, though.
TadashiK
That was Bush who made that claim popular...
sexbolt
That last kid really needed that oxygen, was staring to go blue....poor bloke
TheMostSensibleofChuckles
Cyanotic is the term.
DoctorDrowsy
That was a beta agonist, astma medicine.
JasmineWindsong
That’s not oxygen
CallMeDuffman
They weren't saying it was oxygen, just that the kid really needed oxygen...
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Bullshit. Nonsense propaganda. Syria is almost free. Why the almighty fuck would he use chemical weapons on his own people you 1/2
1mshadowbanned
Yep 90% of the rebels had already withdrawn from Ghouta the last pocket agreed to leave then changed their Jihadi minds.
FrenchPressBenchPress
free huh
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Fucking morons. Chem weapons have always had the harshest response so why would he jeopardize his power? Ask yourself who would? 2/2
REAGANSMASH84
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-39500947
SunBrolem
I don't understand why people believe any of this. The UN has never turned up any indication he has chemical weapons ANYWHERE.
loki25
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24130181
REAGANSMASH84
Didn't happen in world War one? Or the kurds in iraq? Or kosovo?
SunBrolem
I mean, if we want to reach back into history, false flags are hardly uncommon either...
alexanderwawawa
He has done it many times before. (according to the UN, USA & OPCW)
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
No he hasn't you fucking liar. Stop reading bullshit sources. The UN has NEVER conclusively said he has chemical weapons. Look it up.
Madethisusernameforonereason
The last one I recall the U.N. inspectors ruled the rebs accidentally gassed themselves. Kerry & State used YOUTUBE as his source there.
1mshadowbanned
Tillerson admitted there was no proof Assad had ever used chemical weapons.
oumajgad
Actualy, no. He didn't. That's the thing. Everytime there's some rebels getting wrecked chem attack happens. Mysterious isn't it?
alexanderwawawa
So you are saying that the UN is lying?
aFactIsAFact
Look up the Carla Del Ponte video stating that the rebels likely did it and not the gov. She was the leader of the UN investigation
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-investigator/syria-investigator-del-ponte-signs-off-with-a-sting-idUSKCN1BT29Q
oumajgad
What UN? UN haven't said a word yet about who did this attack.
alexanderwawawa
I never said that they did. But I did say the the UN have confirmed chem attacks from Assad earlier in the war.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
This whole thing makes no sense. Assad was winning, and he knows that pulling a stunt like this would only hurt him. Real fuckin fishy.
TheChurchOfUpvote
There’s a lot of weird shit going on but it should be noted the civilians are the victims not the rebels which is odd and evidence 1
sandcastles
this x1000
StuffedHumanTaxidermist
It's for that exact reason why I don't believe it has anything to do with Assad. It's more likely what's left of IS or FSA doing this
NewtNewts
Remember the last chemical attack that was blamed on Assad and it fizzled out
ElZaghal
As an arab... the syrian army has not used chemical weapons nor the heaviest of missiles/bombs. A heavy scud could flatten a neighbourhood.
DoNotGiveAFuck
Winning but why blow up the building with people in side when with chemicals he kills the people but doesn't destroy the buildings
Chaimgoldbergenstein
Because he knows damn well that he'll lose a lot more than a few buildings by pulling some shit like this. He isn't stupid.
OriginaIPoster
Exactly. He's striking positions that rebels have agreed to leave? Sus as fuck
Manyak3ars
It’s imgur. Dont expect anything from here because we are all a joke.
TheChurchOfUpvote
It’s a sad that the civilians should have to suffer because of the wants of two groups of dumbasses 3
TheChurchOfUpvote
Regarding these chemical attacks also show that the rebels have also been using such despicable tactics. This war is one with no good guys 2
norill
might be a double bluff. he can very believably claim that such thing would only hurt him, allowing him to actually pull this off
Tonsofun101
Again, this would prove nothing and only provoke the US and give the war hawks another juicy target. Does he want to end up like Gaddafi?
norill
unless he successfully convinces them that it was a provocation by FSA or ISIS
totalsolution
which still wouldn't make any sense because he can take that suburbs through other means without the US pointing fingers
norill
then why he didnt yet?
totalsolution
because others are telling him not to kill everyone because they're retards who aren't really fighting a war but yelling to take the moral
totalsolution
high route and try to end this peacefully which has been impossible for years now,but they don't care because it's not their country getting
Bassaker
Didn't the americans destroy all his chemical weapons in agreement with assad early in the war.?
Gawky
Hey! the Danish Navy was also involved
imgurisgo
They seem to be very good at hiding WMDs
Vedar
I know so little of the politics of that area and the whole thing that I don't believe I'm in any position to pick sides or point blame.
Tonsofun101
Look up Scott Horton. You’ll learn so much about the region.
ShotsoMilk
-the rebels' faults but we have seen them hide in hospitals in their battles against the Kurds up in northern Syria.
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ShotsoMilk
Turkey just used rebels as mercenaries to capture the Kurdish city of Afrin. They displaced the Kurdish residents and are replacing them w/-
ShotsoMilk
Arabs and Turkmen. There's also a lot of rebel infighting because Turkey is terrible at reigning in their proxies.
ShotsoMilk
Assad doesn't have that much of a reign on his forces. This could have been an isolated incident from some officer as much as it could be-
PeachIcedTea
Bashar is like his father. It’s not just about winning. It’s about the message. Read up on Hama.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
This shit is insane, why is America not swinging its dick around
d0o0o0d
You remember all that criticism Bush got for acting like the world cop? How the next guy won the election by promising to be different?
Hybris51129
Damned if we do damned if we don't. Let the Euro's step up for once and handle the peacekeeping. Maybe then they will understand reality.
Hybris51129
Its probably good that we aren't pushing hard in Syria just simply because its clear that we don't have the will needed to fight in the ME.
Johnny5dicks
*stick
therobisaur
Bc WWIII
Ayzay
Because russia's got his balls out and if we touch them, it's gay.
Madethisusernameforonereason
Murder all those Soviet fuckers! Nuke Moscow!
jghaverty8888
Easy tiger.
rohanban10
hurrdurr69
America swinging it's dick around is exactly why shit like this is happening
CuddlyDwagon
Are you mentally deficient?
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
Hot take from “hurrdurr69”. Where did you study diplomacy again, “hurrdurr69”?
gtsr
The real question is: why is the US is illegally occupying almost half of Syria? Should the US retreat the war would end immediately.
TinyRocktopus
No the REAL question is why did Obama use chemicals to turn the frickin frogs gay
gtsr
Even with all the financing from Saudia Arabia, the jihadi could do very little against a trained army.
Madethisusernameforonereason
No shit. But we're there because Shell found fucking oil and the pipelines to Europe are of critical importance.
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Mate don't try. Fuckin sheep on this website. Don't understand Assad gassing his own citizens is the last message he wants sent. Was not him
destinoz
The real question is, do you really believe that garbage? That's reads like some crazy Russian Facebook "news" link.
SanKa13
Yeah he should quote cnn, they’re trustworthy right?
gtsr
Russian facebook? LOL Just turn on a TV and look at a map of Syria. The "Kurdish"zones (ususally yellow) are the ones occupied by the US.
JESTER31
Because it’s true? American forces occupy much of northern Syria along with the SDF, they are building bases. 1/2
JESTER31
Only part they don’t occupy is the Turkish enclave. 2/2
KartFnocker
He's supported by Russia and Iran and nobody cares enough to fight them over it. Sad but true.
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
No its fucking not you fool. Why would he gas his own people when he almost has control of his country again? Why would he risk 1/2
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
A fucking UN incursion to stop the Chen attacks? It ain't fuckin Assad gassing people is what I'm guessing at. But terrorists 2/3
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Gassing a village to get more western support does not seem more likely to you? Learn some fuckin critical thinking. 3/3
KartFnocker
I don't assume anything about it this early, and neither should you.
Camelspotting
Because they can't touch him?
gtsr
Russia it's on the right side for once (since the other side is Talibans, Al Queda and ISIS).
KartFnocker
There's way more sides in Syria than just those two though
Camelspotting
Taliban is in Afghanistan dipshit.
gtsr
Salty? Look at a map, Afghanistan is not far from Syria.
Camelspotting
What's your definition of not far? Damascus to Kabul is about 10% of the Earth's circumference.
SaharaB
Why do you say "for once", over the annals of history it's probably been on the right side more often than the wrong side.
Camelspotting
And by annals of history you mean a few years during the early 20th century.
gtsr
It's just a figure of speech, I didn't count the times they were in the right and the ones they were in the wrong.
TheBretters
Are you saying my country doesn't actually care about the well being of the world?
gtsr
It depends, what is your country?
YouMightHateMe
Can we make money from it?
lncorrectGrammerNazi
Not saying the country doesn’t. Just almost everyone with actual authority capable of helping.
SubZeroWithAFever
Welp, tell the squad who went to Bin Laden's house to start stretching. Somebody needs a paddlin
Ydafuqitmattertho
Guess who's getting Freedom for Christmas!
LizardEnterprises
Never gonna happen. Assad is Putin's ally, and Trump is Putin's bitch. That's why we're pulling out...
ArtIsntSafe
Your comment screams "I don't pay attention to the news".
CPatricoo
Ahahahahahahhaa nope not this time. Russian-back. That means no problems.
gtotherizzle
Riiight, and push us closer to a war with Russia? Never happen
six187
That will never happen both have too much to lose and nothing to gain from it. Those big words from usa and russia are just propaganda
Hendlton
Who? Asaad? He dies, and then what? You'd get a dozen others nowhere nearly as powerful, but all with their own agendas.
Vaanhalen
An d more bloodthirsty. Its like Libya: either way theyll still be run by Libyans. Can only be so choosy
Toderdj
They all died last year
ItsChimpsYo
Don't forget that dog!
phs1706
the US doesnt want Assad gone.
Sipulikeitto
Seal Team 666, because Assad ain't no ordinary evil.
Poofingers
U mean the ones that crashed a helicopter outside his compound?
Woahouch110
Well he did crash a few planes into buildings... it only seems fair.
mallyStar
Someone needs a paddlin indeed and has been in need of said paddlin for some time now.
thatsapaddalin
Id be happy to assist
Steeltalon
IKR? Are they taking applications?
charlottadupont
Yes, at the Armed Forces Recruitment office. It is a great adventure, I can attest
SunBrolem
... And its the FSA fucks who did this for attention so they could blame Assad.
WeaponizedJerk
Because because that fucking solved everything last time right?
dath84
Wow, you're so smart. Where are you getting your sauce from CNN? Dumb fuck.
rm23fx
Why do you think CNN lies? Show me a single article from CNN that is wrong.
wrongthread
Hugh rawr right with you and all bro but we are the baddies too so don’t get your hopes up unless you go yourself Mercica dont care about em
StarrryNight
Get the SAS to do it and they might not crash the helicopter
fozzibab
If they actually gave a shit about this they'd have done something years ago, during the Arab Spring. They don't give a shit.
aCartographer
Situation in Syria is horrible sure, but what about US stops dicking around where they don't belong.
Fishsandwish
Yeah cause it’s just the US working in Syria right now
six187
US and Russia need some place to show off their toys, make their people believe terrorism is being fought
YeahNa
I'll tell you what. When you convince Russia, China and whoever else is playing power games to stop, then I'll agree the US should too.
AlMolk
Who else will stand up to evil? Unless you think this isn't an affront on basic human rights?
aCartographer
US should deal with their own issues before going around creating them for others. Middle-east would be better off if US was never there
Cheomesh
Yep. In 06 I'd be all like "Kick their shit in!" over gassing kids. Now...eh.
LavaAxe
It's the criminal Russians that need to stop dicking around.
HenryNJessicaPate
Give them boys Intel, and unleash those glorious bastards. And stay the fuck out of their way.
shmekie
Why do they need a well-regarded computer processor?
StarrryNight
Especially their helicopter pilot
FantabulousMan
We know exactly where Putin is though.
Fluffycorn
Hes already waiting for them
Geckuro
Yeah hes in russia. has attacking russia ever worked?
Macewindow54
But it’s spring. We have all year.
Suur
We could use the mongols tbh
Silas007
secretoaster
Seal team 6
BeerIsProofThatGodLovesUsAndWantsUsToBeHappy
Devgru
fen4
The amount of focus and control these entities posses is staggering.
Noob3rts
True? Fabricated? You be the judge. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash.html
BeerIsProofThatGodLovesUsAndWantsUsToBeHappy
My buddy from high school died in that crash. Whether it’s true or fabricated I don’t know. But his kids will never see their dad again.
Noob3rts
I wasn't trying to be insensitive, but if you took it that way I apologize. I was just trying to show people the story about them that I saw
ilikebenches
Yeah but fox lol
dgtalchal
As an atheist, I really do hope I'm wrong and there's a god out there where he'll fuck up those kind of people in the afterlife.
codyshredd
Atheist..... Go Agnostic.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
Or OR.. hear me out.... We could DO something to make this kind of shit dangerous for the perpetrators? Like assassinate them EVERY TIME?
propalestine
You need to identify the perpetrators first, and then convince every Murican of the truth. In other words, impossible.
Ulgoroth
As another atheist: Even if god exists, he s the biggest war criminal and he let all of this happend, so he don t deserve worshiping.
TickleMeFlymo
Reminds me of a reported Holocaust survivor quote that went "if there is a God, he will have to beg for my forgiveness".
tracereading
As an atheist, I can think of no better punishment than total oblivion.
UnapologeticTeaEnjoyer
If there is a God. Fuck him for letting that happen. People did this, plain and simple. It's humanity's job to demand their heads.
AnApologeticCanadian
Unfortunately if God is real it is quite apparent that it does not choose sides.
LawmanLata
Tell that to Ramses
Gantzz321
as a fellow atheist I hope there is a god out there so I can fuck him up for allowing this to happen.
GordonMcSorley
Thats what we do. We destroy everything for an excuse
wrongthread
How can you care for them if you do not believe in morality? (I am assuming you are a materialist and mean no disrespect but don’t follow u)
Hughesy99
Are you saying morality comes from religious beliefs? It doesn't. Morality is part of the human condition. Parents teaching the golden rule.
FabulousOtters
I mean he seems pretty ok with it happening in the first place.
iNeverMadeItThisFarBefore
Can't leave these things for god
PanochaPounder9000
Atheist are like vegans
Morneblade
You're thinking of Christians.
UnknownSquid
Eh, I don't think I would want there to be a god if that was the way he operates. Useless punishments in the afterlife don't really help.
thtguyjosh
I’ve really always hated the mindset that because people do horrible things that means god is shit. 1/2
rileypixl28
When theres insects that's life's purpose is to burrow into other animals eyeballs to lay their eggs and god is supposed to have 1/2
rileypixl28
Intelligently designed them, it comes into question.
thtguyjosh
I mean.. i don’t hear the insect complaining. Sounds like a good deal for him.
thtguyjosh
2/2 it’s like if you hit someone with a car and I went “Damn you automakers!!”
3toedsloth
So god isnt in control of anything? He just made adam and eve & sits back saying "let's see what happens"? What's even the point of prayer?
thtguyjosh
Sure, why not. And probably not much point even with the existence of a diety. Couldn’t hurt?
JetMarks
No, your automaker is a shite comparison. Our autos have safety features. They're designed to keep you safe even if they fuck up. And they
dgtalchal
Didn't really expect for this to spark a conversation, but what I'm saying is that I wish the concept of a hell or karma or something..
dgtalchal
...similar is true to punish people who do such things. Though you have a point, if such an entity exists, why would he/she/it permit it to
RasterSojourn
(1)If there is a higher being, it's exactly the direct reflection the the world created. No amount human understanding or imagination can...
RasterSojourn
(2) explain away the existance of both cruelty or... to an equal degree, compassion in the first place.
dgtalchal
Happen.
paddleup
If there were a god that could do that, there wouldn't be an attack in the first place
Hendlton
Well, God works in mysterious ways, he has a plan for all of us, everything happens for a reason, etc.
paddleup
That's what lazy people that don't want to drive their own life say.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
The plans for these kids is to traumatized for the rest of their lives or die from a Chemical attack... what a great plan that is!
wrongthread
Yes there would - without free will and the possibility for grave evil you would be a robot.
Crimsonak
Free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive. If a god knows everything, and can do anything. Then everything is what the God decided.
wrongthread
Reformed Christian Theology (which I believe for the most part) teaches that we are both correct and that the two facts together r a paradox
Crimsonak
They *can't* both be true though. Calling it a paradox doesn't explain that away. Omniscient and omnipotent means there can be no free will.
HappyBucket
That really depends on your definition of a God, I'd say. There's many.
HappyBucket
That said, I'm an agnostic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Crimsonak
Agnostic doesn't mean anything in this context. You can be an agnostic theist.
HappyBucket
Oh, I've most likely misinterpreted the definition/meaning of agnostic then. My bad
ohokaywhatevs
I’m usually not an aggressive person but I wish that I could end the people who hurt these children.
gelos
I'd like to join this club. I have several fantasies I want to make true with those people, it will take few years tho, I'm ok with it
stevema
you said it right, first people need to verify the claim that this was from Assad, there's no excuse for who did it 1/2
stevema
but journalism when it comes to Assad and what he's doing is spotty at best, don't make one tragedy into two by running in without the info
TheCeilingIsLava
that's okay. your aggression would only be concerning if you started fantasizing about torturing him, I've seen way too much of that here
ohokaywhatevs
A simple kill all children muderers button would be ideal, I’m against torture. Torture shouldn’t be used against anyone, good or evil.
JasmineWindsong
So you’re agnostic?
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
No, fuckup. Atheist means “not believing in a god”.
kalumanati
"Not believing in anything". You believe in the universe having a scientific purpose for you? Not Atheist.
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
Now you’re inventing new meanings as well. Look, it’s very simple. Theist = believes in a god/s. Atheist = doesn’t.
SanityPup
Don't be a butt.
gabiinunderland
I think he means that this is the one exception to his rule of not believing in God. Bc the ppl that do this do it in the name of a God.
dgtalchal
Yep
UnknownSquid
That's not really the meaning of agnostic.
JasmineWindsong
Agnostic means you don’t know, you’re neutral. Their comment implies they’re neutral.
UnknownSquid
He said he's an Atheist that would like to be wrong. That doesn't imply he he thinks he might be. Same as if someone said they want to...
UnknownSquid
2) believe in Santa, it doesn't mean they actually have any inclination to it being a possibility. "Want" vs actual beliefs. Key difference.
ChairmanMittens
Agnosticism is more of a “I don’t know and I never will know” type of attitude toward religion, god (big g or little), and an afterlife.
Sheepyhead
More an "I want to believe" than "I do believe" I suppose
dgtalchal
Yes, exactly. Thank you.
KingOfAntarctica
No, God is dead. We, his most cherished creation, have murdered him. I would say God save us all but... oops?
whyexactly
If there is, why the fuck is he letting this happen now?
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
There isn’t, obviously, but way to fail reading comprehension.
cscottdostuff
Because God is incomprehensible to humans and it's useless to question. Don't bother with the source of good and evil, just pick which 1/
cscottdostuff
side you want to fight on because good and evil will continue on regardless of faith.
wrongthread
Free will is a thing
Tracomaster
Watch 'the adjustment bureau'. Some romantic stuff but the concept is pretty cool
salokindoc
Not for children. In fact it’s not thing other that a believed subjective reality. Just cause you say it doesn’t mean it’s true
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Shit excuse. Free will is already hugely bounded, human bias, greed, and evil is predictable af. If we were created by a god it didn't (1/?)
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
just give us totally pure and random freedom of thought, it designed our psyches to operate and respond to stimulus in a very (2/?)
RedStreak
That's not what free will means though, it's pretty clear what's meant by free will is God not intervening and changing your choices
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
particular way. So why didn't it design us to be generally nicer to one another? To be less susceptible to delusion and dishonesty and (3/?)
RandomQuack
Free will & God's plan are contradictory
akspartankiiier
Because everyone keeps screaming that He is fake. Would you help people who decided to go do their own thing and not believe in you?
wrongthread
You are wrong God is constantly helping the wicked and those who hate Him. I do not have the answers but God is not petty
whyexactly
spoiler alert: he doesn't exist.
salokindoc
So he allows the cruel treatment to children who can’t understand what a god is. Also do religious people not suffer ?
CitizenDickbag
Ummm billions of people believe, so that claim is absurdly untrue.
SanityPup
Yes. Because I am neither sadistic nor a complete asshole.
ensensu
Would you write people like that in a story you wrote?
EarlGreyOrDeath
"Some people don't believe. Better subject kids to a gas atrack." Yep, sounds like the "loving" lord I was raised with.
whyexactly
What does that have to do with CHILDREN? If your imaginary friend punishes children for the actions of adults then he's a piece of shit.
salokindoc
Exactly
AngelGiuffriaNigNug
A wonderful example of how fucked-up the Christian mind is, and a perfect explanation of why their god is so fucked-up.
stealthbr17
It's your God as well, you just don't know it yet. For EVERY knee shall bow etc etc . Our mind cannot comprehend His will. Like an
stealthbr17
anthill in Africa knowing about the moon, stars and the universe to the 10th power. There will be a Judgement day. Our wishes in this
Hendlton
Because this doesn't matter,it's temporary. Those who suffer get to go to heaven, so this is actually good. At least according to the Bible.
whyexactly
That sounds like a pretty weak excuse.
Hendlton
It is. it's just something that was made up a couple thousand years ago, to make people feel less shitty about their lives.
CitizenDickbag
Except according to the Bible these kids will go to Hell, too.
Hendlton
Why exactly? I'm guessing because they're Muslim, but you could argue they had no choice in the matter.
Voltorez
That’s one of the reasons the Bible is bullshit dude it doesn’t matter wether or not they had a choice different religion equals hell.
CitizenDickbag
Yeah but there's no exception carved out for non-Christian kids. Not baptized = hell bound, according to the church.
level1imgur
Not planning for a religious debate, but that viewpoint defers depending on which denomination you are. Some believe Hell is a temporary /1
level1imgur
punishment, others believe it is permanent. Many of the "fine points" of religion in general is still up for debate within their own /2
level1imgur
believers; that's why there are so many religions in the first place. The worst issue is that everyone thinks they are the right party, /3
Hendlton
I did not know that. I feel like "Eternity in hell" would be a staple since anything temporary wouldn't deter some people from sin.