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MontyCXL
Caffeine withdrawal is a mental disorder since 2013. DSM is a guide for professionals, not how we are supposed to judge people.
GreedyJungle
I liked your title. Don't necessarily agree with you but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions so I won't judge you.
opentokix
@OP You also suggest people with fractured legs to "walk it off" I assume?
ST3RBEN
All these retearded made up genders are hurting trans people, though. They feel they were born with the wrong parts, not in the wrong planet
kungfufil
Not too long ago homosexuality was also treated as a mental disorder
Archelon224
And the treatment is transitioning to their desired gender.
MaggieCartman
I'm a Transgender and I respect your opinion @OP, you can PM me if you want o talk about it tho
okarrr
All mental illnesses are socially constructed. We used to diagnose runaway slaves as mentally ill. Psychology is a social science. (1/2)
okarrr
For something to be a mental illness, it has to be out of the norm of the culture it is in and detrimental to the person who has it.
okarrr
That's why body dysmorphia is a disorder, but being trans is not. People who transition live happy and meaningful lives all the time.
BerusCharredCorpse
Judging by how often this shit is posted on imgur, this is NOT an unpopular opinion, nor is the opinion that people like you are assholes.
Sheepyhead
Man people are really interested in what other people do with their genitals
FusRoDoodles
ChihiroDidNothingWrong
It kind of is. "Gender Dysphoria" is a psychological condition where people feel like they belong to the opposite gender.
Jamesly139
I mean the disorder is called gender dysphoria I think? The Solution? Hormones and sex change... Pretty simple.
LillyVixen
Not quite. Dysphoria is the name for the confusion and pain a trans person undergoes in their day to day life, not the term for being trans.
Jamesly139
Oh I see. But still the solution is normally a sex change, right?
LillyVixen
Doesn't necessarily involve surgery. For some, social transition is enough.
Theman098
Yes. and the most common permanent means of curing that mental disorder is Gender Reassignment.
hismotherwasamudder
It's not a cure. If it was there wouldn't be any reversal of sex changes, or suicides following transitions. But there are...
Theman098
It suffers from the same phenomenon as almost all new mental illnesses. Self-Diagnosis and people using to as an attempt to gain attention.
hismotherwasamudder
Except from that we just have psychologists afraid of getting sued for suggesting therapies or other less invasive treatments. People claim
hismotherwasamudder
The dr is a bigot and try to take their license if they don't automatically prescribe hormones and life altering surgeries..
Theman098
because attention seeking Munchhausen patients certainly don't do anything they can to get treatment, including threatening legal action.
hismotherwasamudder
They're not letting the dr who actually went to school, diagnose & treat them correctly. They simply sue when they don't get what they want.
hismotherwasamudder
They're not letting the dr who actually went to school, diagnose & treat them correctly. They simply sue when they don't get what they want.
ANightAtTheCocksbury
So is depression, bipolar disorder, etc. Should we just not accommodate or help anyone who doesn't meet your personal definition of sane?
tbonavita
not trying to start an arguement, but did OP say anything about not helping people? I think it was just his belief in a correlation 1/2
tbonavita
between gender dysmorphia and mental disorder. Could be his reason behind why they deserve help. 2/2
BluOwll
Even if you are correct, "fixing" this trait causes more harm than good. Exactly like how "fixing" gay doesn't work.
dani2659
I just think the bathroom issue is stupid. Also I'm pretty sure some sexually confused individuals go through with it.
thebigcheese
I'm curious OP, "almost all cases", well...what cases in your mind aren't mental disorders and what makes them different to the rest?
madamoizillion
I would love an answer to this as well.
Milkbad
Well I would assume people with actual transgender issues would struggle with transsexual issues without having a mental disorder. 1/
Milkbad
They actually actually have to struggle with choices due to biology.
toeshy
So what is your point? That we shouldn't help them because they're suffering a mental disorder?
AlceCosmico
Trust me. They don't want help. They are perfectly normal and happy in themselves.
LosPer
I think the burning question is what "help" means...
toeshy
Pharmaceutical, surgical, psychological, really any help needed to lead a fulfilling life.
LosPer
I think local governments will decide what help means. It will mean different things in SFO versus Topeka.
KNDBS
Jesus, just chill dude, everytime someone says something that disagrees with a this kind of points of view you guys get super violents ffs.
CanICallYouDaddy
Lol that wasn't violent...
toeshy
SomeCrazyNerd
And here we see yet more strawman character assassination.
AuroraNora33
How was that violent? When did he disagree? Why are you so hostile? Why are you here?
KNDBS
OP said that transexuality is a mental disorder, this gut jumped implying OP said we should discrimate them and we should help them.
KNDBS
OP said that transexuality is a mental disorder, this gut jumped implying OP said we should discrimate them and we should help them.
KNDBS
OP said that transexuality is a mental disorder, this gut jumped implying OP said we should discrimate them and we should help them.
KNDBS
OP said that transexuality is a mental disorder, this gut jumped implying OP said we should discrimate them and we should help them.
AuroraNora33
I repeat my questions I stated earlier
RainbowGandalf
You and like 30 other people who have had this exact thing reach the fp and every comment is something like "well actually that's true"
FunkyKick
well actually that's true
schklabotnik
SHUT UP! OP'S COURAGEOUS!
okayyeahigetit
I was not aware that this was being overused; I apologize and promise it isn't a repost.
Aelinsaar
Buuullllssshhiiiitttt
HeyDontBeADick
It is probably the most popular unpopular opinion this year.
cleverbeans
It's true that it's a mental disorder and the treatment is hormones and gender reassignment surgery. It's baffling how ignorant people are.
IamAlwaysTriggered
Fuck you. Transexuality is not a mental disorder, go back to the 60's you fucking slob. Learn your place, earn your spot.
GamermanRPGKing
Mate, you ain't gonna convince anyone if you talk like an asshat. Try legitimate, logical rhetoric
JustFeedMePieDammit
Not sure if you've noticed but imgur is not well known for its logical thinking.
toastandjam
Learn your place? Earn your spot? Lol wtf are you even talking about?
IamAlwaysTriggered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlUlPbaFhe8
snailphotography
That's completely bullshit. You knew it's overused, that's why you posted it.
realskramz
ı am really curious? Why even post this? To score easy points? To make a statement against trans people? Why do you care? Do you also make
realskramz
posts saying "Anxiety is mental disorder", go up to autistic people saying "autism is a mental disorder" like why do you even care?
CheshyreCat
You're overly hostile about this
WangFire
Appropriately hostile.
Corrodias
Can't get an answer without asking.
BlackRedRollsRoyce
Why did you come here? Why do you care about what he says? Are you here just to make a scene and ask random questions and make assumptions?
Corrodias
That question actually seems entirely on-topic. I also see no assumptions being made; those were *suggested* possibilities.
realskramz
Just curious about the reason of this shitpost
dantastical
Homosexuality wasn't removed from the DSM as a mental disorder until 1973
my90srapnameispoodrizzle
Due to lobbying by homosexual activist groups, not because of any change in scientific knowledge on the subject, just fyi.
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
You've been bamboozled.
mynameisnotalice
That aligned the standards with already existing scientific knowledge, yes.
husingillchild
That has more to do with psychology than science. When the standards were defined they were literally statistical deviations from the mean.
johnnyallstar
Unfortunately, you cannot use the word "deviant" without people assuming a negative connotation, partially due to history using it as one.
husingillchild
By that interpretation you could have been declared mentally ill for not liking milk right up until 20 years ago.
okarrr
He's missing out on the second factor. Mental illnesses have to be detrimental to the people who have them. Trans people can be content.
husingillchild
This comment feels misplaced. Care to contextualize?
FicklePickle13
Um, unless you live in Asia. Which has the majority of the Earth's population. So really, those who like/drink milk are the aberration.
husingillchild
Haha just goes to demonstrate how subjective the view point is :P
SomeCrazyNerd
Yes because the evidence already said it was a lie. Based on bullshit. Pure bullshit.
MontyCXL
Caffeine withdrawal is a mental disorder since 2013. DSM is a guide for professionals, not how we are supposed to judge people.
DrKriegersClone
Judging by some of the shenanigans with the DSM, I sometimes wonder whether its authors are sounder of mind than their patients.
RegrettableUsername
Amen!
missleadinginiformation
And its very politically manipulated
DancesWithHippos
ProneHub
Needs upvote version
TheUnspeakableh
That's one dynamite reaction gif.
TheRockOfChicamauga
Amazing gif.
HeyDontBeADick
This is actually the most popular unpopular opinion this year
Dragonboy393
Popular unpopular opinion puffin?
Elphienis
most of them
randombrain
most of them *that make it to FP
jojiluis
Incorrect usage because every other week I see this kind of post.
thirtyhelensagree
I've seen this exact "unpopular" opinion almost every day.
okayyeahigetit
I'm hoping for it!
zerocoolisgod
If you've used this site for even 10 minutes, you already know that everyone here already thinks that. You're upvote fishing with dynamite.
leolaser22
not on imgur
DaDisser
what that from
DickDastardly404
Wreck-It-Ralph I think - a way better movie than the ads made it look. Main story is sorta standard kids movie garbage, but visually 1/2
DickDastardly404
fantastic, great animation, voice acting, music, dialogue and all the rest of it. Lots of video game references. 8/10 2/2
DaDisser
Oh i would have never guessed that was where that gif was from. Thx, fam
DickDastardly404
i know, they left the good parts out of all the promotion, cause it was aimed at younger audiences but most of the best bits are only 1/2
WhatDoYouMeanICantStickMyFingerThere
Shouldnt those arrows be going OUT and not IN?
DancesWithHippos
They are going out, they're just pointed down bc they are downvotes.
WhatDoYouMeanICantStickMyFingerThere
The red is enough for the downvote. This one just looks bad because they're in the wrong direction.
DancesWithHippos
Oh. Okay. There, I fixed it for you.
BRM15EOL
Lol
WhatDoYouMeanICantStickMyFingerThere
http://imgur.com/KcOMgj4
ScootyPuffSr
Well, when anyone asks you, that'll be relevant.
fuck123456789
im convinced that almost all cases of transphobia is misunderstanding of terms
ShaunDreclin
I would disagree there. Some people just hate and want to hurt/kill what they don't understand.
BloodiDodi
I'm convinced that almost all cases of taking what people personally don't like and adding suffix "-phobia" is a misunderstanding of terms.
grumplestiltzkin
DSM5 lists body dysmorphic disorder as a mental condition so technically correct. Theyre still people and should be treated with decency tho
boopbeepimr2d2
They're still people? Why don''t they move more?
NamelessAndrew
Next on Fox News: new research suggests that those with body dysmorphic disorder are, indeed, people.
Prosecutrixxx
Body dysmorphia has nothing to do with transgender issues.
CheeseCakePancakes
Body dysmorphia and Gender dysphoria are DSM-5 d/x. The sensation of not feeling comfortable in their skin is the disorder, not being trans.
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HaircutsOfNicholasCage
Try looking up the clinical definitions, they are quite specific. Also, a good troll can feed himself.
ihadadifferntusername
Body dimorphism is more like the slender person looking in the mirror and seeing a heavy person. It's difficult to explain in 140 characters
icameinlikeafeckingball
Just so you know, BBD has literally shite whatsoever to do with transexuality.
icameinlikeafeckingball
*BDD
grumplestiltzkin
Yeah, meant gender dysphoria. Close enough for armchair internet doctoring.
BalkanDude
But we should not be forced to call them what they want. You do not address a crazy dude who thinks he's Napoleon "Your Imperial Highness".
LifeHasManyDoorsEddBoy
They're removing transgender and most paraphilias from the world health organisation's version of the DSM5 (which is far better).
UnderratedComment
Check pedophilia in there....
hitshappens
It's a mental disorder for which the best known treatment is gender reassignment surgery.
Boxingbud
And reassigning gender is a very successful treatment.
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
Literally no self-respecting psychiatrist would confuse BDD with being transgender. Crap, no self-respecting second year psych major would.
ImmaLetYouFinishButMaeWestIsOneOfTheGreatestArtistsOfAllTime
BDD is separate from Gender Dysphoria, which is used to describe the stress (not disorder) of trans people. Stop playing doctor, Internet
BewilderedBeaver
Lists-shmists. Imagine you had dwarfism and there was a treatment to increase your tallness. But because it wouldn't be perfect and still(1)
BewilderedBeaver
(2) left you with the same proportions of arm- and leg length, people would say things like "actually a dwarf" and such. Then the DSM ...
BewilderedBeaver
(3) could list this too as mental disorder just because you want to change a functional body to fit your brain just like everyone's else.
amoeba15
For some there IS a treatment and it DOES leave them with the same limb proportions and some are bothered by it.
BewilderedBeaver
Whut... I just grabbed a random what-if-thing I thought about. I didn't know.
fleetoffoxes
I agree. But is going along with their disorder really what is best. I know it is the easiest and seems like the nicest. But does it help?
Isaislol
Which is the symptom, not the core issue.
Gandhiswag
I agree just cause they are teams doesn't mean we should treat them poorly, we should help them if anything
HitlersArtCritic
I think the thing is, they don't realize they need help, and many think going through the procedures will help, but they don't always work.
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
They actually screen for this, you know. They don't just go making sex changes all willy- ilky.
fleetoffoxes
In fact the most "accepting" societies on earth still have the same suicide rate amongst trans.
cbale2000
If I'm not mistaken, statistically the procedures usually make it worse. Many end up having it reversed.
magmufbtheness
Yeah I heard the opposite that the procedures actually makes it better.
FunctionalSanePerson
I've read somewhere that less than one percent of transgender people regret procedures, but I don't have a source so it may be wrong
MaggieCartman
Actually nearly no one ever reverses it, and tbh there gets to a point on the treatment where changes irreversible
farfie
Am trans, would have been dead if not for hormone replacement therapy and surgical alternatives. Therapy does not help. Tried in 60's.
CheeseCakePancakes
Once you help transition socially, then biochemically then surgically and allow them to be comfy in their body, the condition is treated.
grumplestiltzkin
Completely agree. Mental health issues should be treated, not stigmatized.
hismotherwasamudder
If it's truly treated, then why do some get the surgery reversed after regret &depression, or just commit suicide years after transitioning
CheeseCakePancakes
It's not always treated, just like surgical resection of a tumour doesn't always treat a cancer. Without progressive therapy 1/2
CheeseCakePancakes
You can't overcome years of stigmatization , especially in the absence of support and understanding from the world around you
SomeCrazyNerd
Which is a symptom that is alleviated via surgery and is not necessarilly the defining trait.
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DasOgre
That's a load of shit. Do you work in the psychiatric field? I do, and can give you kids of reference to disprove what you made up there
boopbeepimr2d2
*some. In some cases. In some other cases, the person is completely happy. Brains are weird and stupid.
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SomeCrazyNerd
It's not a sexual identity it's gender.
SomeCrazyNerd
Um no, many doctors who deal with this issue have said the rate of issues and suicide goes significantly down in most cases it helps.
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HereInDuckburg
Society used to consider gay a mental disorder too...careful
ThePickliestRick
Though gay is sexual attraction, while trans is gender self actualization.
brainplay
Both the gay and transgender being removed/change from DSM's III & V were under political pressure rather than actual research.
brainplay
There are so many hurdles today to study homosexuality that it's a career ender or pigeonhole. Reputations at risk despite results.
brainplay
Now we're seeing the same thing with gender identity disorder now known as gender dysphoria. It's being regulated to specific journals only.
ZombieEinstein
Not really comparable, imo. Back then, treatment for gay was 'turn them straight'. Treatment for trans is 'Make sure transitioning is >
ZombieEinstein
> actually what they want, then emotionally support them through that transition'
BewilderedBeaver
So basically, the treatment for both is now to enable them to live how they want/need to live. Just that one group adapts their physiology.
HereInDuckburg
Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately they are extremely comparable.
ZombieEinstein
Psychologists and psychiatrists can only treat for what is in the DSM. Having it in the DSM-V is necessary for professional support.
ZombieEinstein
Treating outside of the DSM, or (far) outside of accepted treatments opens them up to liability. So instead of associating the listing in >
Corrodias
Does it even matter? What we call a "disorder" is, as far as I'm aware, entirely arbitrary. Live with it or change it, either way works.
Corrodias
I mean, whether folks want to call something (eg, homosexuality) a disorder or not doesn't really *affect* anything except in politics.
HereInDuckburg
It affects how they treat people, are you kidding?
Corrodias
Well, it shouldn't. At the very least we should treat people with love and respect regardless of their conditions. Except psychopathy maybe.
Corrodias
Or, if the definition of disorder somehow requires that we attempt to "fix" it, then, okay, that's silly and doesn't fit.
ImAShittyTransAm
It's a mental disorder that's treated by counseling and then likely transitioning. So basically, the treatment is what they want.
fleetoffoxes
Yet the mental instability and suicide rates do not change. No matter the society, or being able to transition fully. Is it actually good?
HiddenSanity
...The suicide rates do change, though, I have no clue where you're getting your stats? Other than maybe the debunked 2011 study in Sweden?
ImAShittyTransAm
Oh ffs, I always have to go over this. Suicide rates are very high. This is because of societal bias, discrimination, people making fun 1/?
ImAShittyTransAm
of them, bullying, etc. However, if you look at the stats of people who have had support, haven't been judged for transitioning, etc, 2/?
jonnyboy911jon
Technically being transgender is a mental illness, gender dysphoria. The solution to gender dysphoria is getting a sex change
humptyblargh
Yeah, and the solution to anorexia is telling the person that they're right, they really are too fat, get liposuction already you pig.
toastandjam
What happens when they don't identify as male or female? What's the solution then? Seriously asking. I dont get it.
snailphotography
You just get whatever changes you want. Its not about 'male' or 'female' so much as 'my body should be like BLANK'.
AleczandraMatticen
Identify as genderqueer, or nonbinary. Androgynous presentation. No surgery required.
canihavemyphdnowplease
Currently there isn't a 'nullification' surgery for agender persons. They usually just do top surgery if they were born female
OPisdaOG
There are other treatments. I'm an un transitioned transgendered person. Not all trans people undergo gender reassignment.
rwigs
The dysphoria is actually the distress caused by the disconnect between body and that which is identified with, not the disconnect itself.
ITouchMyselfWhileThinkingAboutLasagna
That's not actually true. Studies show that that's not a valid treatment and doesn't lead to dysphoric being any more "satisfied."
FeedTheirSoulsToSlaanesh
They do? http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm
ITouchMyselfWhileThinkingAboutLasagna
Oh. Well, I guess I'm wrong. Sorry.
my90srapnameispoodrizzle
Absolutely not. Johns-Hopkins, the pioneers for sex change surgery, no longer perform the operation, as it has no real benefit.
snailphotography
Note: this is not actually true. It was closed down because Paul McHugh, a noted anti-trans activist, got on the board of the university.
snailphotography
It wasn't evidence based, it was McHugh saying "Being transgender is a choice, an ideology. I disagree with them, so no more surgeries."
carrington
Because poor scientists like Paul McHugh cherrypick research.
somethingdark
If somebody gets reassignment surgery to correct their gender dysphoria, are they still considered transgender?
ITouchMyselfWhileThinkingAboutLasagna
I think the term is "transexed"
CaveCanem
Yes. A lot of people like to hide the fact I think, other people fetishize it, but I think simply saying "this is what I am" is the best way
somethingdark
I thought being transgender simply meant your body didn't match the gender that you feel best describes you.
AleczandraMatticen
When your *sex chromosomes* don't match the gender typically assigned with them.
Jantessa
It's possible to be XY and not respond to testosterone, so you would be default female but still not match your "sex chromosomes."
somethingdark
I mean your chromosomes are very much part of your body, but point taken.
ShaunDreclin
Hiding it is incredibly fucked up. I do NOT want to have a relationship physical or otherwise with a trans guy. People need to be open.
antras
I've thought about this one a while, and honestly, if it's a dealbreaker for you, you've gotta be willing to ask.
ShaunDreclin
imo its on each person to accurately portray themselves to a potential partner.shouldn't have to dig for smth. that should be on the surface
CaveCanem
I think you mean transwoman? But regardless, I agree with you completely (and don't think you sound hostile), transparentness is important-
ShaunDreclin
Did you just assume my orientation? #triggered (lol no i meant trans guy)
CaveCanem
-for any relationship.
TheSunless
Your outright hostility isn't helping anything.
ShaunDreclin
So you're saying I need to change my orientation to accommodate trans people?
NotWhatYouPlanted
Being gay used to be an official disorder in the DSM too. Thankfully, it was removed in 1973 once it was agreed that it was a normal 1/2
NotWhatYouPlanted
variation of sexuality. I think all this "being trans is a mental disorder" stuff will eventually go the same way. 2/2
Milkbad
Side car here. I don't care how people want to be identified or gendered as long as the effects of the process do not create turmoil 1/
Milkbad
Or widespread debate/argueing withing the social structure of a nation. Which hasn't been the case. I'm mad at the tactic, not the goal.
Pridestalker
If it goes away, trans people will lose the option of using insurance to treat their "mental disorder" with transitioning so lets not.
SomeCrazyNerd
...Or your country could just have more public healthcare.
Pridestalker
Do other countries' health cares cover "purely cosmetic surgeries"? Because as a mental illness transitioning is a medically necessary one.
dQwfourw9WgXcQ
But thing is, you can't choose who you fall in love with, but you can "choose" what you identify as. (I agree with @OP on this one)
YutteHermsgervordenbrotborda
It's not so much that you choose to identify as something else, and more so that you never feel like what you biologically are
KNDBS
upvoted you, people here are really biased towards "progressiveness"
RainbowGandalf
Op said that it was a mental disorder, which would leave me to believe it's not their choice
smaug777000
Was the suicide rate for gay people as high as it is for trans is today?
SomeCrazyNerd
At one point probably. The suicide, alcohol and drug rates are still higher among us today. It's emotional pain that causes STD rates too.
smaug777000
Not sure if I'd agree that emotional pain causes STD rates, really would love to see the research on that (1/2)
smaug777000
(I'm trying to be skeptical but not dismissive) (2/2)
my90srapnameispoodrizzle
No, it was removed due to pressure from homosexual activist groups. The scientific body of knowledge didn't change. To be fair, the (1)
my90srapnameispoodrizzle
designation for mental illness is fairly arbitrary to begin with. (2)
DrKriegersClone
This is the important part. There was really no scientific basis to declare being gay a disease in the first place.
snailphotography
It was removed because in order for something to be a mental illness, it has to be harmful or unpleasant to the patient. Being gay isn't.
my90srapnameispoodrizzle
There are a plethora of negative health outcomes associated with homosexuality.
SomeCrazyNerd
You mean trends that come from people like you's treatment?
snailphotography
Being a hated minority is bad for your mental/physical health, news at eleven.
husingillchild
Such as? STI's are universal, mental disorders are due to societal pressures(like everything else). What else you got?