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aCrowLeftoftheMurder
This should be posted for Columbus Day, not Thanksgiving. As skewed as Thanksgiving history is, Columbus is irrelevant here.
CocktailGaming
Native north Americans never even saw him.
ordohereticusinquisitor
"First Terrorist in America", it's not like groups like the Aztec, Mayans, or Comanche raided and enslaved before white people arrived.
DankS0uls
As if anyone celebrates thanksgiving for anything other than a bigass meal now. Asshole.
Rottingchickensmell
As an aboriginal, the past is the past. You can't change what has already happened, you can only create your future.
opetchas
Tell that to the European descendants whenever they want to celebrate one of their holidays or teach us ancient history.
Rottingchickensmell
I do.
Lakupiippu
I read "Guacamole" instead of Genocide
stoffo
Seriously, how can they have these strong feelings 500 years later, when all their lives is formed in a completely different society?
complimentpin
natives don't have a good track record, every race has done awful shit, get over yourselves
pumpernicklelel
*scrolls to negative comments*
xzhous
Oh you don't need to. Just look at the regular comments.
sub80
The lady with feather earrings is feeling way more than is realistic. Would she be considered a Drama Queen?
Thelandfill
Get over it. Seriously
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
I'm gonna go ahead and ask what the hell Christopher Columbus has to do with Thanksgiving.
awkwardmoment
Amazing how people could so thoroughly misunderstand their own history.
nnim
lmao... I suppose as a decent of Wales I should be pretty salt about England's actions... Except, I'm not retarded.
SamwiseTheBrave922
A lot of people seem comfortable telling natives to "get over it" but I doubt any of you would be brave enough to tell African Americans to
CallMeInV
If you're upset over things that happened to people who's bones were dust before you were born. You have a problem. Yes. Get over it.
yak3ftw
Germans owe me money for my great grandfathers blown up farm. Give benefits.
SamwiseTheBrave922
Get over slavery. What's the difference?
YesItChecksOut
They should get over it. They're lucky the slaves weren't killed off like it usually happened around the globe.
pizzabubble7
I love how 90% of the replies to you are people actually saying African Americans should "get over" slavery...and by "love" I mean "hate."
implodingrat
why do you hate it?
daelith
I tell them both to get over it. It didn't happen to anyone alive today. Move on. EVERYONE has been enslaved or invaded at some point.
ctulhuslp
Well, it happens today and racial bigotry is a thing, so it is a bit more sensitive matter than Columbus.
peaceandpenguins
More recent. And unfortunately I think a lot of them are the ones telling black people to get over slavery.
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
No no, I would tell them to get over it because it's over, just like how athiests need to get over the crusades. Both were bad but it's done
Twocancallan
I find it weird that one half gets upvoted and the other doesn't. Really sums up imgur and its fickleness.
kcknit
Or it reflects the popular opinion. Not really rocket science.
Twocancallan
The upvoted now make my comment look weird. There were 2 half of the same point with one upvoted and the other down voted
dietderpsy
As an Irish person I tell Irish people to get over the English atrocities in Ireland, you can't live in the past.
Sprinkleton
So b/c of this I just told my g/f to get over slavery.She called me a dumbass b/c she's an adult that doesn't blame slavery for her problems
xzhous
An example is Andrew Jackson. Refused to accept a SCOTUS decision and committed genocide through Trail of Tears. Still on the $20 bill
xzhous
It's not about blaming slavery for their problems. It's about understanding the history and how that culminated into today's problems
kcknit
Yeah and not bad choices. Lord knows that they had absolutely no chance to change their situation in 500 years. Brilliant EXCUSE
xzhous
If it was easy to change just like that, then we wouldn't even have poverty. People don't work like that mate.
kcknit
They have every opportunity I have plus more because of their ethnicity if they don't like their situation improve it! YES IT IS POSSIBLE.
xzhous
The kind of rhetoric that accuses them of scapegoating and making excuses is part of the reason why reservations hesitate on gov involvment
kcknit
If some one offers you help its your choice. Sorry the world doesn't give you what you want the way you want when you want it!
xzhous
Lastly the 500 year timeline doesn't seem right at all. Can you expand on why you say 500 years?
kcknit
2015-1492=? Blaming Columbus for the current situation is like blaming Marco Polo for global warming.
xzhous
Some native american reservations have done extremely well, others haven't. There's some that are really really bad.
kcknit
And a third of my extended family is Native American and they openly admit most reservation problems stem from the reservations economics
sadhunny
Wow these comments are terrible
FFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK
Not the Leif Erikson one.
CallMeInV
Hard to have sympathy for people complaining that their ancestors were conquered and murdered. Because that is the case for every human.
sadhunny
It may be hard for you. I'm not Native but I do have sympathy because it was a terrible thing and it still somewhat affects them to this day
CallMeInV
It only effects them because they won't let it go. They chose to dwell on it, to obsess over it. No one's fault but theirs.
sadhunny
A lot Native Americans, just like a lot black people, are stuck in the vicious of poverty because things that happened in the past. 1
CallMeInV
Hand what it is like. It's awful. But it is because they chose it. The government already pumps so much into into the communities but 2/
CallMeInV
Through their own corruption and mismanagement they are starving and isolated and alone. But they can leave. 40% unemployment. Insane. 3/
CallMeInV
They have the resources at their disposal to make a better life but they don't. I cannot have sympathy for it. 4/4
CallMeInV
Because they chose not to evolve. They sit in their reserves and they stagnate. I've been to reserves in northern Canada, I've seen first 1/
sadhunny
I'm thankful that my parents did what they had to do so that me and my brother could have a good life. 1
yslmtl
I mean in the north of Canada it's kind of still a thing.
CallMeInV
Education is provided by the government. They should be the most educated demographic in the country but they aren't. Why is that? 2/
CallMeInV
Have you been up there? Have you seen it first hand? I have. It's a third world country. Yet they chose to stay. Their post secondary 1/
yslmtl
I agree with you, i've never been there but i heard horror stories. Canada is no promise land.
yslmtl
i actually misunderstand what you said and i think we can only agree to disagree. You can keep on voting for Harper. Good day
CallMeInV
It could be. Just don't live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. I've been coast to coast in the big beautiful country. It IS the promised 1/
CallMeInV
Land. Just be smart. Don't live in places only accessible by bush plane. It isn't rocket science 2/2
CallMeInV
Why in a country that prides itself on its 'Equality' does a group of people have tangible benefits based solely on their race? 2/2
Rodvitner
Cristopher Columbus lived 500 years ago...I mean, I'm not american but this seems very exaggerated.
SaintMaceToTheFace
It is. A lot. Most don't fucking care
Rodvitner
It's pretty stupid, I mean I live in the south part of Sweden but I don't cry about the war between Sweden and Denmark. Which is more recent
dufresnedr
And how old do people claim Jesus to be? People still get their panties in a twist with him
mcbcmchn
They believe he's still existing and will come back, so I can see why they won't let go.
Rodvitner
Well personally I think that's silly as well, not a very religious person. So that's not really an argument...
Simplyfun
The entire history of mankind has been people conquering each other. No one is exempt. All we can do is better, not fix all of history.
PieWillMakeYouDie
But he never stepped foot on North America...
IHaveANeedForSpeed
Exactly. Where he actually landed was around the Bahamas.
Fightheader
He did 4 voyages and landed in the entire East side of Middle-America.
BlondeStallion0
Lol they mad cause they lost tho
DarthWTF
ez win frm n00bs
CanBobTheBuilderFixMyLife
first time a actually LOL'd instead of just exhaling. Take my +1 you glorious bastard.
Madmacattack
No chill
highevolutionary
Ya. You filthy mudblood.
Charizard006
200% savage, 0% chill
DopeRaptor
SAVAGE
whtrchr
http://25.media.tumblr.com/588e37604e2f48c06f8304f96d671c26/tumblr_mzlxg1Lrmg1rpotpgo7_250.gif
Gustave13
You can't just say that out loud!
SoapBatDerby
Christopher Colombus never landed on the continent, so he was never "in America". Shut up and enjoy your day off.
CoCoKunt
People get that day off?!
Wolverinebrandedcircumcisions
Lol thank God you said it and not me, enjoy your 1 up vote of the day
NiceTimeIsland
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/dominicselwood/100283798/columbus-greed-slavery-and-genocide-what-really-happened-to-the-american-indians/
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
The point being his reign of terror was mostly in the Bahamas and Bermuda Triangle
SoapBatDerby
2) Like he denied them a life that they can personally remember, like he killed their grandma or something.
HarryButtHolePussyPotter
These ppl act like C.C. personally raped and stole their land. It in no way directly affected them. Just eat the fucking turkey , jeez.
SoapBatDerby
My point is that all these "native americans" are from the western US & were never affected by Columbus, and yet are on the verge of tears1)
TestAccount321
You can't be this big of a fucking moron.
dietderpsy
I am not American and even I know this.
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SoapBatDerby
Wonderful analogy. I have friends in New York who lost people who are less emotional and dramatic than people from "Don'tTreadOnMeLand".
jrau18
A better analogy would be to say that people in Panama weren't affected by 9/11. Native American tribes were like separate countries.
gimpycat
The did sort of get mashed into an extended nation by persecution and prescribed 'schools.' But that was later.
pingoo1978
Of course they were. Columbus spearheaded the transatlantic slave trade which eventually reached areas far from when he initially landed.
Bibulus
Columbus was an explorer, things would have gone the way they did regardless of how he treated the few tribes he encountered
autocolonel
And that's also not true. Slave trades were portuguese, Spanish monarchy and African war tribes. CC did not enslave.
pingoo1978
Eh? Columbus spearheaded the transatlantic slave trade. Who do you think CC worked for?
MrBananaBeak
More: "A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm...[girls] from nine to ten are now in demand."
MrBananaBeak
""Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending all the slaves that can be sold." His own fucking words from his journal.
pingoo1978
He still established a brutal tyranny where he landed, costing the lives of many natives and landing him in jail in Spain (4 a short time).
OhMyGodTheyKilledBrianYouBastards
Soap isn't wrong.. Columbus's West Indies were in the Caribbean.. Last I checked that's not North America..
pingoo1978
Yes the west indies are in the Caribbean.
autocolonel
Not much of that is true. He was actually nice and did not enslave. Only bad things he did was on behalf of King and Queen.
NiceTimeIsland
Bullshit - Linky Linky: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/dominicselwood/100283798/columbus-greed-slavery-and-genocide-what-really-happened-
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
Uh, there's kinda a lot of info that his party returned with enslaved natives.
SoapBatDerby
And? Welcome to the whole history of all of mankind.
pingoo1978
Just saying, a saint he wasn't. He would have done the same had he landed elsewhere.
SoapBatDerby
This affects your life today how? You get a day off, sales in stores and maybe a parade? Waaaah!
pingoo1978
Don;t take it out on me! Doesn't affect me at all. Just stating facts! I'm Italian so we don't get a day off (even though he was Italian).
SoapBatDerby
Yeah, and it was almost 500 years before I was born, there was no place in the world that wasn't a brutal tyranny.
pingoo1978
Yes, yes, but the atrocities committed by European colonists in the Americas have to be some of the worst ever perpetrated by mankind.
WhoStoleMySweetroll
Am I supposed to feel bad? Civilization is built on the ashes of defeated peoples. That's history for you.
Rexli78
Well the Spanish Certainly did, as when word finally reached mainland Spain of Columbus' treatment of the Taino, he was stripped of his rank
Rexli78
and imprisoned for his crimes. Why do you think the Spanish stopped financing his voyages? He was not a victim of his times, he was bad
Rexli78
even by there standards. And to continue to honor him is disgusting.
chilllbroswaggins
The fact that something was the norm in the past doesn't mean it's not a big deal
kcknit
It's not just the past it still happens and will continue.
WhoStoleMySweetroll
It's just evolution. Eventually we'll fall to a superior society or be forced to assimilate, too. The world keeps spinning, man.
chilllbroswaggins
That's the same argument though; it's just "nature", so we shouldn't feel bad. What is the logic behind this? Be precise cuz this seems lazy
WhoStoleMySweetroll
To provide a precise answer, I want to clarify the quest. What is the logic behind what?
chilllbroswaggins
The assertion that, because something is "nature" or inevitable, it's not a big deal, e.g. Native Americans being assimilated
CleverUsernameNotTaken
Nah, dont feel bad, I agree with you. But there's a difference between accepting the past, and celebrating it. Just my 2 cents.
SaintMaceToTheFace
This
jw1487
Holy crap. Well said. Put on your big boy pants and accept this.
wallacebbinghampton
All I can think of: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/79/8a/13/798a13b34c773210cf8edf74795c37d6.jpg
WhatUpIGotABigHawk
What is that from?
wallacebbinghampton
Buffy thanksgiving episode
CanBobTheBuilderFixMyLife
They should be mad at the diseases he unknowingly brought with him, that did the most damage
Nown
Even discounting the diseases, if you read contemporary accounts of Columbus, he was a pretty evil, sadistic dude, to a degree that 1)
Nown
Shocked and horrified Spanish priests who witnessed the treatment of native Taino and Arawak under his colonial regime.. 2/2
ElPoloDiablo
He was also an arrogant cock who was just an all round asshole.
NinjaNunDevil
Not to mention the genocide, forced labor, rapes, slave trading...the list goes on.
bond100
All of which the native americans did prior to European arrival, and add human sacrifice and cannibalism to the list.
TheManSpider
THANK YOU. I get tired of people thinking Natives were all "loving and innocent until the evil European devastated entire cultures".
CynicSnacks
YouTube search: Cgp Grey
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
thing is, even though it was the worst part, it was the only unintentional disaster. You really can't apologize for being immune.
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SirDistic
Uhh that was the US Army some 400 years later.
Treblaine
Columbus was a moron who miscalculated the size of the earth by a VAST margin, he had no concept of germ theory. Though it was divine curse.
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bond100
The blankets with smallpox thing is presumed to be a myth from the 1800s Army as nobody's ever been able to actually find any evidence of it
OhMyGodTheyKilledBrianYouBastards
I still don't understand how Columbus day is still a thing.. We should be celebrating Leif Erikson..
121AAD
big part of Columbus day is Italians wanted a day celebrating their heritage, shrugs, I want a day celebrating Asians how bout Dim sum day?
itsGood4you
The cornerstone of U.S.A. existing are lies upon lies. That, plus ignoring the truth.
LookAtAllTheFucksIGive
I'm related to that great man.
121AAD
No we should be celebrating Admiral Zheng He
tgholland
That guy was fucking impressive
DammitIHadSomethingForThis
What about the unknown Polynesians who got here before the land bridge?
teamyolosweg
Or maybe the Native Americans?
VulcanP90
There is a Chinese explorer who may have also found America before Columbus.
krully
Dzheng he. He did it.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Gonna need to expand on those, bro
VulcanP90
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html
thetonestarr
The point of Columbus Day isn't about him "discovering" America. It's about kicking off colonization of America, the start of our culture.
ThatsMySecretImAlwaysStressed
At the cost of an already existing culture...
SharkleberryFinn
Blame the Spanish
thetonestarr
Oh, I absolutely 100% agree on that and think Columbus is one of the last people in the world who should be remembered as "good".
DrunkShakespeare
Some people do celebrate Leif Erickson day. At least here in MN it's a somewhat popular minor holiday.
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
Is it celebrated on C Day or is it held on a different day?
DrunkShakespeare
October 9th every year.
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
Sweet. I will be celebrating next year! Any traditions I should know about
DukeDark
I celebrate Leif Garrett day.
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
Me too! It's the day I do heroin and listen to disco. It's like most days, but I normally don't listen to disco
DukeDark
You are awesome. I do the more reformed potsmokin Leif Garrett day, not the orthodox heroin slamming tradition.
dietderpsy
The Native peoples weren't born on that continent they arrived there, there were many who discovered and rediscovered America.
badstorybro
We can educate each other and change it from a day of celebration to a day of remembrance for the atrocities he committed. Trash his legacy.
tapetkabinett
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson_Day yep
DrGingeBeard
October 9 is Leif Erikson Day
whiskyinajar
Hinga Dinga Durgen!
ByTheBeardOfSeuss
Ah, durka durka!
ByTheBeardOfSeuss
No Team America fans in this thread? My bad.
DoctorDelta
Dear Spongebob: went to get more giant paper. Uhhhh.... Patrick.
ordohereticusinquisitor
PS. Happy Lief Erikson day! Hinga Dinga Durgen!
jsprankles
I think I love all of you.
TheVikingWay
I concur
Bifig31
Something about Catholics wanting a holiday celebrating another catholic. Probably didn't know the facts when they picked him.
CatsAndUkes
It was the Knights of Columbus
PMMECORGISPLS
IIRC George H.W's father was on eof them
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
This was my understanding as well
CemestoLuxobarge
Yeah, vikings have a history clear of rape and pillage.
DrainBread
That's worth at least a week off!
NuclearButtPlugFromPlanetX
Never committed genocide of forced religious conversions. So they got that going for them.
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Not more than any other civilisation at the time.
AWholeBouquetOfWhoopsieDaisies
Actually the Vikings were not known for rape. The confusion comes in from the old Anglo-Saxon chronicle that refers to them as rapine 1/2
AWholeBouquetOfWhoopsieDaisies
2/3 which is another word for pillaging. Some most certainly did rape but pillaging was much more their calling card and really only for
AWholeBouquetOfWhoopsieDaisies
3/3 the western vikings. The Swedish vikings were far more interested in trade, albeit they did conquer Kiev and found Novgorod.
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
Good ol' Holmgarðir.
NorwegianVikingPower
The vikings were great merchants and a lot might be overdone since the records of them comes from their enemies that set them in a bad light
Zyntherius
So.. Because of that "mark" we're suppose to ignore their history ?
Rexli78
How about we celebrate Leonardo DaVinci, he was a great inventor, didn't engage in any genocides, and was actually fucking Italian.
infiniteflux
I would be surprised if this post goes far. Cuz people don't want their great white heroes shit on.
yyrse
I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Columbus without bitching about him. Columbus Day should be called "Bitch About Columbus Day".
spareseatonmyface
The fact that columbus was white (italian) has nothing to do with how people view him.
kastabbin
I dislike how one sided this is. They lived in an Imperialistic world at the time. Everyone was, including these tribes.
dietderpsy
Bingo I have read the histories of both sides and the Native Tribes enslaved, murdered and damaged the environment too.
GQBound
This is moving into "Well, Africans enslaved other Africans, too!" Territory.
ThisPlaceLooksLikeCalifornia
It doesn't excuse what was done, but it's silly to pretend that white men brought these concepts to the new world.
kastabbin
Well, that's the thing. You can't cry at something someone did if you're trying to do the exact same thing. That's hypocrisy.
bond100
Native Americans were destroyed by disease not genocide, estimates up to 3/4 the native population lost from unforeseeable disease.
dietderpsy
Yet very few people seem to know this.
gimpycat
The smallpox blankets get blamed for that, lumping these deaths in with intentional ones, though it was a whole host of diseases.
bond100
Except smallpox blankets have no evidence for their existence, its thought to be a myth from the American West.
imgurnalist
Columbus Day was created for the Chicago World's Fair (formal name the "Columbian Exposition"), meant to open 1892 (400 years later).
thehumblecanadian
Source?
jamiewritesfic
in 1792, not 1892 when the Columbian Order first held an event for the holiday. In 1892, a hundred years later, then-president Harrison(2/?)
jamiewritesfic
Inaccurate, so he probably can't give one. 1) Columbus day was already being celebrated, it just wasn't an official holiday. 2) It was (1/2)
jamiewritesfic
officially named a National Holiday, by then-President Roosevelt, mostly because the Knights of Columbus were lobbying for it. (4/5)
jamiewritesfic
issued a proclamation essentially making it a national holiday NOT just for the world's fair. 3) It wasn't until 1937 that it was 3/?
handles1
Check out his username. Clearly he has his sources.
jamiewritesfic
And it wasn't to celebrate the man, but the journey. SAUCE: http://www.history.com/topics/exploration/columbus-day (5/5)
nickbuzz
Awful lot of Columbus apologists in the comments... He did tons of terrible things, both on purpose and on accident.
DrDickinbottom
he did good things as well, doing shitty things doesn't negate this.
nickbuzz
I'm not an expert on this topic; what good things did he do?
DrDickinbottom
the whole thing he's celebrated for: creating contact with the Americas and a huge role in igniting exploration and expansion.
SaintMaceToTheFace
Yes? So did Julius Caesar. We named a month after him
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ctulhuslp
'we' didn't kill no indians. Well, I didn't, dunno your life. Those are similar in a "should we excuse for old things we did'nt do?" way.
WhatUpIGotABigHawk
So should we change it then? History is bloody wherever you look, people lost, people died. Are we to hate the pope for the inquisition?
chilllbroswaggins
Fuck that pope tho
ctulhuslp
No, people are annoyed by historical revisionism and anachronistic applying modern morals where they don't belong. Even if he was a dick.
nickbuzz
I don't understand that. Why shouldn't we judge the past by our morals? How could we excuse the things he did?
ctulhuslp
as amoral because (a)morality is founded contemporary to action in question, not by today's higher standards. (2/2)
nickbuzz
That makes sense in an academic context, I guess; I still don't think Columbus deserves a holiday or anything like that.
ctulhuslp
Because morals are changing with time and place, and you can't understand history properly without this cultural context.
ctulhuslp
Science is about being objective, not judgmental. You can note that, yes, this or that would be immoral today, but not dismiss some1 (1/2)
kcknit
Blaming Columbus because they LOST the land they claimed through force and trade from other Native Americans seems slightly hypocritical.
TestAccount321
Yeah, the Native Americans fought at times. They also managed not to commit GENOCIDE on one another, eh?
PlantainSuperNova
EXACTLY. by that logic Europe should be completely barren right now.
TestAccount321
Look at this apologist horseshit! Are you fucking serious? You cannnot be serious with this shit right now!
GodEmperorOfImgur
Well... 90% of all native Americans dying from disease had a hand to play in that as well.
SaintMaceToTheFace
Accidentally. ANY European that contacted the native Americans would have started that.
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ThatsMySecretImAlwaysStressed
The spread smallpox intentionally
ThatsMySecretImAlwaysStressed
*they
GodEmperorOfImgur
Well no, the vikings didn't.
Serum211
Yeah, 'cause they landed in Canada and did nothing. Compared to the few thousands of Spaniards landing in Mexico, the Vikings were nothing.
TestAccount321
Lord Above, are we so hesitant to even think about what marginalized people are going through that we'll blame THEM?
kcknit
No we don't blame them, but sorry we don't feel it's a crutch to blame their situation on.
filthymansock
Well, small-pox kind of helped that along.
Nown
Do you also think we shouldn't blame the Nazis for the atrocities they committed in Eastern Europe, because Eastern Europeans had been 1)
Nown
Fighting and conquering one another for centuries, too? Seriously think about what you're saying and stop being a genocide apologist. 2/2
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Bibulus
People have been fighting each other over land in the Americas for as long as there have been people in the Americas
TinyRocktopus
Just like Europe but that doesn't make Hitler and good guy. Also a lot of early reports of savagery where exaggerated to justify genocide
CAAFlo
There is evidence to suggest an Caucasian settlement on the other coast thst predates the natives. Due to a law that says all remains 1/2
CAAFlo
Found before a certain year belong to the tribes, no further research is being allowed to be done in that direction.
CPolofVancouver
Yeah I'm an anthropology student, & that's complete bullshit.
kcknit
Prove it
CPolofVancouver
Earliest undisputed evidence of people in NA is roughly 14000 ya; likely to have been here much longer, but little archaeological visibility
Graham3435
Because actualy history isn't taught in high schools. And if these people are from reservations they have probably been brainwashed.
MrBananaBeak
And yet you have not?
Graham3435
In a sense everyone has, especially when it comes to history. Having talked to natives, it gets really bad on reservations.
MrBananaBeak
Isolation of any kind tends to do that.
Graham3435
Yeah as a history major it just makes me kind of sad. History is brutal and bloody. Ignoring or changing it just means more blood comes.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
I wonder why people on land they were forcibly relocated to might feel that way.
Graham3435
These generations aren't forced onto them. They choose to live on them or not. Reservations are basically dead ends, smart people get out.
opetchas
Has no one actually read Columbus' logs? The man was an asshole. And he was definitely the start of a whole host of problems.
SaintMaceToTheFace
And
Bibulus
Sure, he was an asshole, and personally committed a lot of atrocities, but blaming ALL of the things ever done to the native people, and 1/2
opetchas
Being a Native-Am/Black and knowing lots of Native Americans, believe me no one is blaming ALL the atrocities on Columbus.
Bibulus
ANYTHING that happened outside of the Caribbean on him is hugely ignorant. 2/2
PrivateIsotope
Same reason we talk about Hitler differently than we talk about any other Euro leaders warring against each other: Scale and Genocide.
Bibulus
But Columbus didn't commit genocide or anything large-scale, he's just a figurehead, blamed for everyone that came after him
TinyRocktopus
He set the precedent. He reported by that they should be enslaved. History would have been very different if he had been more civil
valdemarjoergensen
He didn't report that any of those peoples ancestors should be enslaved, he never found mainland.
SaintMaceToTheFace
Columbus hardly did anything personally. He accidentally introduced small pox. Any European would have resulted in the same
ctulhuslp
Thirty Years War. AFAIK, it took bigger percentage of lives than WW2 but we don't go out and forbid Catholicism/Protestantism.
PieisKing
Thank You. No one says a damn thing about the original natives of New Zealand. Why? Because the Maoris killed them all. Stop sooking.
ISmellManFlesh
Thank you! Was about to comment this, every Maori history class I've had tends to skip the part where they raped and ate the Moriori
stoffo
What, who were the original natives of New Zealand then? Baby kidnapping eagles? Although their extermination still pisses me off
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DonQuixotic
Fucking A right man
kcknit
The same practice has occurred all over the world and will continue. If one has the power and leverage they will take from the weak.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
lmao So their claim to the land is less valid because THEY took it now YOU.
kcknit
Pretty much need me to draw the picture in crayon?
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Yes apparently because you still can't take my house even if I acquired it from someone else.
kcknit
Just saying no has always stopped invading forces brilliant argument. What your favorite flavor of paint? Just curious.
ghostie808
Now Maoris try and claim that they need special treatment because we're using their wind, beach, land ... what else was there
ISmellManFlesh
That pisses me off, my Maori history teacher said its a Maori belief that no one can own Mother Nature, yet now it's like "this is my land"
ghostie808
They play the whole "we have been robbed of our land" card and even some Maoris are sick of their shit lol
DyslectorDestroyerOfWords
the one that starts crying annoys me
TsarPushka
A black lady cries when she talks about slavery at my Church. The comments in this thread tell me I can tell her to stfu and get over it
TestAccount321
Well, there have been plenty of likewise images here doing just that, so don't be so surprised when that shows up here...again.
MrBananaBeak
What the fuck is wrong with Imgur right now?
TestAccount321
Didn't you know, homuraboy? Bigotry is king here! Trying to understand minorities is more of that ol' nasty white guilt the SJWs serve up!
TestAccount321
The more people see these likewise opinions like "fuck minorities!" become popular, the more people like that will appear.
bumblebee93
They all became the ultimate authority on everything...don't think too hard on it, you'll only get upset. :/
WTFmoonmoon
Imgur right now:
bumblebee93
Lmao, yes!
TestAccount321
A more serious reply: Imgur is a den of ignorance, sexism, racism, and more so. All you have to do is ask the right questions and people
TestAccount321
will let you know what they really think, and seldom people here have sympathy or empathy for minorities.
Vaede
Or people don't like to live in the past, crying over principles that are no longer in place today.
opetchas
Doesn't annoy me.
batgirlonwafflehigh
You don't get to tell someone else what hurts them and what not. And this very comment is the most annoying thing about that post.
jw1487
You don't get to tell people how to act online. That's the most annoying part about our society. Backwards reasoning like this
DyslectorDestroyerOfWords
you dont get to tell me what i can get annoyed about, thank you.
batgirlonwafflehigh
I'm not telling you what you can get annoyed about. Just pointing out that you are an inconsiderate, unsensitive, dislikable person for it.
irishnovember
You just said that comment was the most annoying thing about that post. So you did try to tell people what to be annoyed about.
batgirlonwafflehigh
Nope, I just told them what annoyed me. You don't get to tell me what I can get annoyed about, thank you.
DyslectorDestroyerOfWords
her reaction his exaggerated and forced and is annoying to me, deal with it.
batgirlonwafflehigh
Please define "exggeration" and what makes you so knowledgeable and worthy to judge that woman's expression of pain.
NataliePortmansShavedHead
+1
TestAccount321
"Her culture and people are dying out in a land thata doesn't care about them! What a fucking drama queen, am i right guys?"
implodingrat
dying out seems a tad dramatic
SexyPorcupine
As of 2014, Native Americans make up only 2% of the total Population. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aihmcensus1.html
implodingrat
British people make up .89% of the world population. OMG WERE DYING OUT GUYS!
ImgurCelebrity
Look at all these people pretending to have been personally traumatized by history, rather than by the way it's been interpreted for them.
TestAccount321
You're not implying that people are over-dramatizing Native American's history in America, are you?
ImgurCelebrity
History, no. I think the story is pretty accurate. These people's RELATIONSHIP to that story is far more tenuous than they're acting.
chilllbroswaggins
And you know this how?
MandaloreIncognito
Yeah. She's reacting unnecessarily.
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spareseatonmyface
It happened so long ago though. Jews don't cry at the mention of Hitlers name. Irish people don't cry at the mention of Cromwells name.
myheartisstarkmyspiritistargaryen
You can say that because your people weren't massacred and dwindle in population. Trust me if it was your race, you'd be sad about it too
gimpycat
You can't say that, if you go back far enough I'm sure ThisName....'s people *were* massacred and dwindled at some point.
Graham3435
Every collection of people have had a massive culling by someone else. History is nothing but bricks built from blood.
Rips4w
Now YOURE being dramatic. Stop the cycle.
Bibulus
But Columbus never had anything to do with her people
VSGH
If it hadn't happened, would she even exist today? Would her parents have met? or her parents parents? and so forth
gimpycat
You can't say that, if you go back far enough I'm sure ThisName....'s people *were* massacred and dwindled at some point.
spareseatonmyface
Oliver Cromwell decimated the people of Ireland more recently than Columbus. Nobody here will give much of a reaction to his name.
Tylin50
Dude, I'm Jewish. Trust me she's fine.
DrDickinbottom
the holocaust was much more recent and I don't see my Jewish friends crying when the name Hitler is said around them
TinyRocktopus
They got to go home
JR2000
Then you don't know any Jewish people you fucking twat.
DrDickinbottom
Sorry but that's not really something you can decide, some of my friends are Jewish and a quarter of my family is Jewish
IronicUsername
Meh. It's like a Jewish person who wasn't even alive during WW2 crying at the mere mention of Hitler. That's not usual.
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ELOHELEHLola
I disagreed with you until this comment.
IronicUsername
According to the premise described by the first gif, they weren't asked that. It was a word association.
MandaloreIncognito
Overreacting much, then? This happened centuries ago and she's reacting like this happened weeks ago to her immediate family.
GoCanadaGo
Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
MandaloreIncognito
Not being an ass, but can I get a tl;dr?
MandaloreIncognito
I'm sorry if it's unempathic but when something happens so long ago that it's changed history, what can you do?
myheartisstarkmyspiritistargaryen
the holocaust happened years ago too you mind going up to Jewish families and saying stop bitching that you were on verge of extinction?