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xerofall
21 years ago... fuck.
TwoStupidDogs
I read the books first. The films are cold garbage comparatively - come at me, nerds
TrixNStix
As a woman & literate, I absolutely accept being referred to as a jolly fellow in a yellow hat named Tom Bombadil
DJOldguy
Loved the books, read The Hobbit at 10 and finished ROtK at 15, the films were brilliant, so no prizes for this sort of self-denial....
PirateArrrgument
By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us! Come, Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us!
PowellBlackhavar
I was there 44 years ago
brianterrel
I haven't sat down and watched them, but the movies brought a wonderful world to lots of new fans, and that's a good thing.
madman434
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow. Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
eclecticdyslexic
Tbh, the new trailer has me afraid Bezos is gonna present us with a total shitshow that butchers the source material even worse than PJ did.
blarkk
Iarwain Ben Adar. Oldest and fatherless.
ToSisPoS
DontReinventAspirin
*if* the new fans arrive.
jursamaj
I tried to read the trilogy the summer between 10th & 11th grades. Only got partway thru 1st book. Very dry. That was 40 years ago.
ukalliq
"will never gonna"?
InspirEscapeArtAndMusic
TheGoudeAbides
But that is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the new shows that are given to us.
natronnatron
*chef's kiss
JohnTheFrost
Cherish what we have, count our blessings, and patiently wait another 10 years for the next attempt.
peavb
Please no ?
SilentScreamsX
Gatekeepers are douchebags, no matter the IP.
doughnutmanfighterofthenightman
And we will invite them to join us both, no matter where they started their journey.
Rusarules
TV show is gonna suck donkey dick. Lets be honest. I mean, they fucked up the Wheel of Time one.
DisastErik
Fuck off tom bombadill you lazy fucking god who could have ended everything with ease but didnt want to leave your hoe for a week...
BitchButcher
What's in September 2022? Wait ... no ... I don't want to know. It can't be anything good in these times.
qtRaven
New Bastardized Lord of the Rings series from Amazon.
TresusIbor
Wait. What's happening in September?
Imalwaysready
Autumn Solstice for one thing.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
I love Bucky’s comment about The Hobbit in Falcon and the Winter Solder
jimdalefox
Decades before the movies, LED Zeppelin was rocking with Hobbit lyrics in some of their songs.
randomocity
In the darkest depths of Mordor, I met a girl so fair.
o0scottyboy0o
But gollum and the evil one crept up and slipped away with her.
knifiespoonie
I dunno, Shire of Frodo with Castle of the Elfin King is the real masterpiece
pocketcthulhu
I love when helper and brock have the argument about that, ok fine, and hobbits. ttps://i.imgur.com/gmOlROd.gif
gundam02
And before that, Leonard Nimoy: https://youtu.be/BC35cQKHwzg
Dagordae
Spock has a singalong about Bilbo. It’s trippy, and not because of all the hippies.
goflyblind
AmusingUserName
Also Rush. They have a song called Rivendell
amdkenobi
Beautiful song as well.
Hulser
I love Light Emitting Diode Zeppelin! They rock!
zwielichtengelchen
You might enjoy Blind Guardian
thedudeman519
WE ARE FOLLOWING THE WILL OF THE ONE THROUGH THE DARK AGES INTO THE STORM!
gangstacow
NOW YOU ALL KNOW….
thedudeman519
HIGHLY recommend Bo Hanssons LOTR album as well.
thedudeman519
Damn, got a Bo Hansson hater
Youhavinagiraffe
Every time I reread the Lord of the Rings I thank God that Peter Jackson cut out Tom Bombadil from the films!
qtRaven
PropainAndPropainAccesories
BondulanceDispatch
Old Tom bombadil, tom bombadillo, old tom bambadil… shoot me now!
gaidinbdj
You fool. Peter Jackson *was* Tom Bombadil.
gaidinbdj
(Actually, there's is a compelling fan theory that is literally true. The theory is that Tom Bombadil was the reader: there before the...
gaidinbdj
...beginning, can respond to anything a character says/does, isn't affected by and can see through the One Ring.)
FluffyKittyLover
My favorite reaction to people saying the hobbit movies could have been shorter is "Bitch you wanted Tom Bombadil in lotr"
Youhavinagiraffe
And the Scouring of the Shire. Which would have been cool to see but there's no way to include it without screwing the 3rd film's structure
PropainAndPropainAccesories
Damn right I did!!!
KlausKringle
Are you comparing Bombadil to rubbery barrels bouncing along a river for 15 mins or a stupid, cringy love triangle?
FluffyKittyLover
Yes both of those are better :) Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
SilentScreamsX
Honestly the movies are better than the books because they cut out so much bloat (and still end up at 3 hours each...)
chodemaster69
I’m fucking triggered
CommodoreSkippy
Tolkien was a linguist first, n world builder second, and an author third. His prose is bland and tedious, but its contents legendary.
Youhavinagiraffe
Definitely better as a story in terms of structure and pacing... and they don't kill the action every few pages for another fucking song!
macgerdo
But the way he did we don't only have 3 movies but a whole universe. Creator can take that and expand it without contradicting each other.
macgerdo
So many games, maps, books have been created with that universe as foundation. I'm glad we had the books.
Bossmek
Stories can be enjoyed in multiple fashions. 'Never watching the movie just because it's a movie' is closed minded. Grow up.
iJudgePeopleForALiving
But not watching it because you're afraid it will ruin your future re-read, is a valid way to look at it. Let everyone do what they do.
Bossmek
Fear a movie will kill a reread is potential to close one's mind in baby steps
iJudgePeopleForALiving
Sure. You could think that. As said: you do you.
tomatoboy
One does not simply walk into a fandom without gatekeeping.
sherlockhooves
Actually its pretty easy, its called not being a cunt
kevbot5000
Except ATLA.
beez428
... ...idk...on the rare occasion someone says they like the live action movie they get gate-kept to fuck
historycat
Gatekeepers are like Walmart Greeters. Just blow right past them and pretend you don't see them. Like what you like, how you like it.
tomatoboy
Welcome to LoTR, I love you.
magis001
Like all those universities gatekeeping their diplomas, and the hospitals gatekeeping the surgery suites..
Imalwaysready
What are you babbling about?
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
How in the unholy fuck is that even close to relevant
magis001
You downvote and all I see is a bunch of people that like the phantom menace best.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Nobody cares what you think about what they like my guy. Why should they? Where do you think your approval fits into that equation?
thedudeman519
Slight difference between liking a band/book/movie etc and going to a hospital or university, no?
tomatoboy
tomatoboy
We’re comparing liking a story because you first encountered it in a specific media with high skill scenarios like surgery? Come on.
PropainAndPropainAccesories
Are you trying to walk into my gate keeping fandoms? Wow. Name every gatekeeper. I’ll wait.
tirohtar
I mean, is it gatekeeping? Neither the books nor the movies ought to be seen as "dated" at this point. The books are written in a "heroic" 1
tirohtar
Style that's heavily inspired by antique and early medieval epics. The movies completely hold up and will for decades. If ya need a show 2/
tirohtar
That takes a lot of questionable liberties with the source material to get into the "fandom", it feels like that person is more a fan of 3/
tirohtar
Flashy production values and modern Hollywood-style storytelling and not of LOTR.
PanickedShrieking
I don't think the post was inherently gatekeep-y, but it's not too far from 'you're not really an LOTR fan until you've read the books' 1/2
tomatoboy
I mean, yes what you just said is gatekeeping. It’s entirely possible for some younger folks this could be their FIRST introduction to LoTR…
BenderRodriguz1010
WingdingsProse
How have I never seen this?
ILDL
Because it's quite recent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNb3Tf6Pl0 (sauce)
Gatorjon
I don't know who made this but.... I just......... *slow clap*
IHaveAPetTReX
So who would Bill be?
Maclacakop
Tom Bombadil
HunterZer0
No that's Bobby
BenderRodriguz1010
The Witch King?
HunterZer0
Tom bombadil
PropainAndPropainAccesories
One Propane Tank to fuel them all.
BenderRodriguz1010
One grill to bind them
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
One steak to bring them all and in the back ally bind them
BenderRodriguz1010
poodleguts
I didn't even know there were new movies! Exciting times. Honestly, it could not be any worse than The Hobbit movies, such a low bar.
bladderinfection
I own some of those Hobbit ones, haven’t gotten through them. Give me the Rankin-Bass cartoon.
thedudeman519
Down down to goblin town!
Soberyn
Isn't it a series on Amazon Prime that's being released in Sept? Not movies?
DavidBrooker
And its a prequel, apparently. I really hope nobody asked "can we reboot Lord of the Rings?" in a pitch meeting.
qtRaven
It's a Bastardization. And that question has been asked.
Callistan
Yep, The Rings of Power series on Amazon. Covers Sauron's first rise to power and the fall of Numenor. A young Isildur (the one who wouldn't
Callistan
cast the Ring into the fire) is one of the characters, along with Galadriel and Elrond.
DavidBrooker
"What if we made a Fantastic Beasts, but for Lord of the Rings?" - Hollywood loves a lazy pitch!
AstroExplained
But it seems like they also compressed a massive amount of the timeline to try to make it all fit instead of an anthology over centuries
Topi41
Oh my sweet summer child… the hobbit sequel had by far more quality than some of these Star Trek / Star Wars sequels… imagine a 1/2
Topi41
“Picard-like” sequel in the lotr universe… uhh I shiver….
Jayfourke
But imagine if it's "Strange New Worlds" in quality. That would be a delight. Although I won't get my hopes up.
Acc87
hey Lower Decks is unexpected brilliant new Trek
JohnTheFrost
Average at best imo. Got a few chuckles but forgettable beyond that.
Andexx
the film adaptation of the hobbit was a terrible abomination. Not Peter Jacksons fault, but damn what a terrible set of movies.
ZebraCockSandwich
I hadn't read the book yet. after the dwarf lava-surfed in the second film I went home and bought the book to finish the story, never 1/
ZebraCockSandwich
bothered watching the third movie. The actual adaption was done pretty well, but they added so much unnecessary bullshit to stretch 2/
ZebraCockSandwich
the story it was maddening. 3
ethicalinfant
I was borderline angry about it lol
Andexx
I still am! I hold the firm belief that anyone who genuinely thinks it is a good trilogy does not understand what a good film is about.
Callistan
It had some individual scenes that were excellent (e.g. the riddle scene) and the casting was spot-on, but overall it was too bloated
Andexx
Snobby, I know, but I just can't help it.
qtRaven
This new series is going to suck so hard. They're already changing the established Lore. Just look at what Amazon did with Wheel of Time.
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
Oh no! Not the precious established lore! Anyways...
Dagordae
What lore have they changed? All I’ve seen is some cosmetic stuff.
Andexx
Changing the look of already established races is also changing the lore pretty heavily.
CrazyCatLad
As in, casting non-white people for roles? Or like, making dwarves tall and elves have rounded ears?
Dagordae
Not really. As I said: Cosmetic. Cosmetic differences happen every time you get someone else making an adaption. Up to and including the
Dagordae
Illustrators of the work. The beard issue is far from cut and dry, while Tolkien initially had all dwarves as having beards in the War of
Dagordae
The Jewels, later when he was discussing who all had beards he specifically excluded Dwarf women. Singling out dwarf MEN as being bearded.
qtRaven
Dropping the Istari into Middle Earth in the second age. Removing Celeborn completely from the Lore. And that's just to start.
thedudeman519
Depending on what they are adapting their arrival in the second age is accurate. If they are going with "peoples of middle earth" books .
qtRaven
Also, they aren't adapting. They're making shit up. They've even admitted it. Don't try to paint this as a positive.
thedudeman519
Sure thing pal
qtRaven
The Istari arrived in the 3rd age of Middle Earth according to The Unfinished Tales which has the most information regarding them.
thedudeman519
But they're going with 1600 SA from Peoples of Middle Earth presumably. There is pretext for both is all Im saying
MaximilianShade
Yeah, I wanted to be able to like WoT so much, and the visuals for channelling were nicely done, but YE GODS ITS GARBAGE.
Acc87
Ah, Wheel of Time, not World of Tanks, was lost for a moment there lol
Animorphs
Couldn't make it past the first episode. Was *so* bad. I hadn't read it, but wife had and hated it even more.
Youhavinagiraffe
Jackson changed a lot when he made his films and they were a masterpiece... You're right though, the series will suck
AstroExplained
The biggest is they are supposedly having Durin III and Durin IV alive at the same time (father and son), when Durin is named for the
AstroExplained
supposes reincarnation of Durin I. So two Durin's in the line would literally never be alive at once. They apparently compressed
AstroExplained
centuries into the span of a human life. Maybe they bit off more than they could chew & decided to just try to sell a generic fantasy show
B99Reactions
the motivations for changing the lore back then were not the same motivations people use today to change or alter the lore
LordofSadFace
He had to make some changes to properly adapt the books, Amazon is butchering the lore for shameless pandering, their dwarves lack beards!
Youhavinagiraffe
Didn't a bunch of the dwarves in the Hobbit trilogy have no beards too? Not that those films were Jackson's best work or anything
LordofSadFace
Apparently, that was to make them more visually different from each other, though lorewise, it was a sign of mourning for Thorin.
GrumpyOldMillennial
I remember seeing a trailer that absolutely had bearded, female dwarves. Did they change that?
AstroExplained
The woman they showed is, from what I saw, the daughter of Durin III, and her brother is called Durin IV, absurdly...
DarkRedCape
Masterpiece is a bit strong. LotR films were very good, but the hobbit felt hollow, directionless, and the CGI was too much.
penitentrebel
That's 100% spot on, but I don't think most people are referring to The Hobbit films when they make "Masterpiece" statements.
GrumpyOldMillennial
The hobbit was an atrocious fucking mess not worth the rewatch. The LoTR though was a masterpiece of cinema and endlessly rewatchable
Inarticulated
It sucks because I love the first parts of the first Hobbit movie.. I just turn it off before finishing it every time.. -_-
GrumpyOldMillennial
I understand that the hobbit was a kids book, and that they wanted to capture that spirit. However, when the "feel" of middle earth was so
Youhavinagiraffe
The Hobbit films were a huge disappointment. They should have gone with the original idea of Guillermot Del Toro making 2 films in a...
Youhavinagiraffe
...vastly different style to Jackson's trilogy. The LOTR films themselves are the best things ever made!
TheFallenTwo
The difference is that the films were changed to better fit screenplay, but the TV series is looking like it's going to stamp on all of the-
TheFallenTwo
Lore to push a GoT knock off with more modern ideological views. I think inclusivity is a good thing, but forcing it into a world that's -
TheFallenTwo
Existed for a long time and has a large cultural significance has often proven to be a bad idea. They should really be creating their own -
TheFallenTwo
World that people can fall in love with where the differences can't contradict what everyone loved in the original. Just my thoughts anyway.
Jordan7831
Sir Ian Mckellen “I was there when Tolkien wrote the blasted books”
kebabpipe
And who was there when Tolkien's mom got pregnant?
CrazyCatLad
Plot twist: Sir Ian McKellen "I AM Tolkien."
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
BenderRodriguz1010
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
SkunkMom
BenderRodriguz1010
GreaterDog
Careful, don't want to go beyond your quota
breach1
This is gorgeous.
MrWigglees
What are the special properties of this particular staff?
BenderRodriguz1010
Wooden. Tall. ....... Wooden.
MrWigglees
I found a thingy... https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Wizard_staff
houpbajoup
You know Christopher Lee would have been that guy if he was still with us. He used to read LOTR once a year.
oloolooloolooloolo
He's record is amazing: https://youtu.be/CCrtZwF2C-8?t=490 that guy was what a knight should really be !
Darklinkinfinite
He has gone to the Undying Lands
FirstOneToDieWins
He was the only person to have actually met Tolkien that was in the films.
PutItInNeutral
Christopher Lee is so awesome that not only is James Bond based on him, but he also played a Bond villain in The Man With the Golden Gun.
MostlyDinosaurs
And he was the only one on set whod actually met Tolkien
makeSX
Also the only one (that we know of) that had actually killed other people.
secretdpp
When you're one of the actual James Bond inspirations. Who he later played z villain for, you do epic
smashpro1
Knew what it sounds like someone gets stabbed in the back, because he had done it.
makeSX
Didnt Christopher Lee decline the role of Gandalf, as he thougth that he wasnt noble enough for the role?
houpbajoup
I've read that he always dreamed of playing Gandalf, but McKellan was already cast, and Jackson convinced him he'd be a perfect Saruman
xizar
He was right.
secondtalon
Tolkien gave his blessing to Lee to play it, should they ever make a movie. Given that he died in '73...
secondtalon
That's the Lee he was talking about. Not this one -
Jordan7831
Crap it was Christopher lee I was thinking of wasn’t it?
PetricusGaming
Lee was the only cast member to have met Tolkien. McKellen is older than the books, so whether he read it when initial published, not sure.
Jordan7831
Thx. I was thinking of lee.
KingXizor
Christopher Lee also asked Tolkien if he could play Gandalf, and specifically aimed for Wizardly roles to establish a precedent for it!
DSREX
McKellen was the one who carried the book on him so if disputes about it broke out he could directly quote the book.
Telruin
You could still be unintentionally right. :D
pritolus
No, pretty sure I saw in a docu that McKellen hadn't read the books but once he got the role he blitzed through them several times and >
pritolus
> would often carry a copy on him during shooting so he could look up stuff as they were going along