HerbPicotte
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#heartless honesty
Mar 18, 2017 2:12 PM
HerbPicotte
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#heartless honesty
thorinsbeard
For the same reason people think hospitals ought to be non profit. When you do it for money, those who can't afford it will die.
birencall
Organ donation programs where you have to opt out have incredible success rates compared to "opt-in" programs.
HerbPicotte
For those unfamiliar... https://www.decodedscience.org/organ-harvesting-human-trafficking-black-market/56966
HerbPicotte
Just FYI... https://www.google.com/amp/news.nationalpost.com/health/wealthy-more-likely-to-get-organ-transplants-study/amp
sisjsj
Where philosophy becomes relevant once again
Winnerrules
Oh I agree, people should be able to sell their kidneys or bodies if they pass away, so that the estate would have some sort of money.
HerbPicotte
In fact, the University of Tennessee will give you a few thousand dollars for your body, it's left outdoors to study for their CSI program.
ForeverVoteless
What I think --> Puffin. What I did --> Bear.
HerbPicotte
It's really both...
Aardvarksneedlove
That's another reason I like the NHS, the only one to profit is the recipient
HerbPicotte
We admire your system a lot... (Well, those of us who have more than 3 brain cells...)
numberonespongebebfan
I recommend watching this movie called Ship of Theseus.
HerbPicotte
I may just do that...
Vaflukongurin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o
coombez1978
So what's to say i don't murder you to sell your organs
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HerbPicotte
Yep!! They're yours, aren't they?? (The wife owns mine...)
melzer
The podcast 'planet money' episode 372 discusses this sort of thing and what they do instead of selling
HerbPicotte
I may have to check that out. Link?
melzer
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/04/29/403114496/episode-372-how-do-you-decide-who-gets-lungs
HerbPicotte
Thank you!
LordGriffith
Because lots of people will die.
HerbPicotte
Hmmm. What I'm talking about is legitimizing a business that, according to some sources, is already happening on the black market.
nxking500
I missread this at first and though it said orgasms. I was very confused untill I realized it said organs.
HerbPicotte
One of my tribe!!
MadDrDrillBit
i agree prostitution should be legal as well
HerbPicotte
Don't get me started...
MadDrDrillBit
on second thought, thats more like renting.
TheInstrumentalist
Then when I die, my family can sell all my organs and use the money to pay for the funeral.
HerbPicotte
Nice way to get a thank you from all the doctors and hospitals that make bank on your organs...
HerbPicotte
Just F.Y.I. I am a registered organ donor. When I die, IT'S ALL FREE!! Take what you need, I DON'T MIND!!
numberonespongebebfan
That's only if after you die your family says it's ok right? Honest question because I've heard of the family deciding against it
SomeGuyWithADog
I'll give you a kidney for 40k and medical expenses.
HerbPicotte
My very point!! I heard a hospital pays $85,000 to a donor bank for a kidney, WHERE'S MY CUT??
FreaksOnWheels
I think because it opens the door to innocent killings for organs.
WayTooNewb
Good way to inflate black market organ sales
HerbPicotte
Or drive their prices down, make it less attractive to go south, as they say...
realidahoan
Black markets only exist when there is no legal market for said product.
WayTooNewb
How do you explain illegal firearms? I mean even in Canada we can legally own firearms, yet so many illegal firearms are on the street.
realidahoan
Generally the only reason to buy a gun on the black market is because it is illegal for you to be in possession of one
WayTooNewb
This creating a black market
Veloxuz
I'm not too knowledgeable on the topic, but maybe to stop organ theft or "society" doesn't want to see how far some poor people will go. Idk
Veloxuz
I'm talking out of my ass and throwing all that bullshit into the dark.
HerbPicotte
Should a donor not get compensated for his pain and suffering? I imagine getting a kidney out hurts a bit... What about lost wages??
FreaksOnWheels
Compensation for lost wages, I agree with. Good point
Veloxuz
Like I said, I don't know. On the surface I think I agree with you, but there might be some other information I don't know about.
kennerly
There are huge tax breaks if you donate a organ.
HerbPicotte
Really??
kennerly
Yeah. When you fill out your taxes there is a whole section on tax breaks for organ donors. Your medical is tax deductible, time off etc.
Imjustheretoupvotestuffandmaybefavorite
Because it's a volunteer process due to bodily autonomy which is usually dealt with after death in comparison to living donations.
Imjustheretoupvotestuffandmaybefavorite
You should be asking why the deceased ppl get a say at all when it comes to donating organs. Kind of a dickish thing not to by all standards
HerbPicotte
I'm really thinking like, kidney donation... Testicular donation, bone marrow donation. Where the donor lives on...
Imjustheretoupvotestuffandmaybefavorite
Well then I'd say because only some people can be a match for those anyway, generally its relatives so the notion of morality is there
jse90
Donor...donate...means no compensation.
HerbPicotte
True, but why does everyone else make BANK on these transplants... If I donate, EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD AS WELL!!
iforgotwhatiwasdoinghere
Are you sure?
HerbPicotte
https://transplantliving.org/before-the-transplant/financing-a-transplant/the-costs/
Evilpercy
Because no one would take advantage of people would they.
HerbPicotte
Like the billionaires do now?
Caliban1972
Do they? Or is this one of those "everyone knows" conspiracy theories?
HerbPicotte
https://www.decodedscience.org/organ-harvesting-human-trafficking-black-market/56966
Caliban1972
That's about black market organ trafficking, not "billionaires" manipulating the system like you make it sound.
HerbPicotte
Yeah... Don't argue with a guy who's informed... Of course, you will say it's fake news...
HermioneGrangersLeftTesticlesFungalGrowth
Especially poor people. Absolutely nobody would take advantage of them.
MadDrDrillBit
or force them.
HerbPicotte
Yeah, right now billionaires get your organs for nothing...
Caliban1972
Right now EVERYONE gets a donated organ for nothing, poor and rich alike.
Caliban1972
No withstanding the organ black market - it exists, it's illegal, and it's a tiny fraction of all organ transplants in the US.
theoneprevouslyknownas
What are you saying here? Are ppl profiting from organ donors?
HerbPicotte
https://transplantliving.org/before-the-transplant/financing-a-transplant/the-costs/
theoneprevouslyknownas
Ahh, now I understand your post but can't agree w it; poor ppl would all start selling their organs and being exploited. Canadian, so (1)
theoneprevouslyknownas
didn't think of getting medical care costing money!