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Jun 5, 2020 8:06 PM
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whitedog3
It’s all about the bottom line. The biggest expense for most business is labour. America has always put profits over humanity.
forgotiwasfine
Can't teach a sneech
TheLastSpaceman
Andrew Scheer is a turd gobbler
thechocmaster
No worries, I’ll pick peas all day for pennies if it means I get healthcare and a government leader with an education beyond 5th grade
seanfourtwo0
Jobs were out sourced overseas and eliminated through automation technology.
somegoyman
Why not be mad at both?
RaxianTheta
Very soon, the rich will pay, and it will cost them everything.
RaxianTheta
mostly blood, bones, organs, and than yeah, money
RootMeanSqr
Don't tell Americans please, they love hating non white immigrants.
GarrusStopCalibratingFFS
Even there. People complain but they don't want to do that job anyway. Bunch of hypocrites
Calthebold
Picking apples is still one of my favourite jobs ever. Hard to make it through winter on that kind of pay though.
Jace99
I'm sorry, WTF are you talking about? Riding the coat tails of American fascists is pathetic. NO ONE is worried about this.
Marsupialmessiah
Way way way wait.... Canadian capitalists are assholes too? I thought only regulars were dicks
Leolol1
"The Truth Hurts", lmao, this is so stupid. Companies sole objective is to make profits, it's up to the Gov to set regulations so that 1/2
Leolol1
people are not taken advantage of. People who have anti-immigrant positions are advocating for Gov action, including punishing companies 2/2
astrid28
... for a second, I thought this was satire on America.... ya'll can't keep making fun of us, Canada, if you're gonna copy our stupid shit.
lonewolf9556
Similar to when a SO cheats on you, and you get mad at the third person instead of your SO
freckledkink
I've gotten mad at both, when the other person knew my SO was married with children. I was still madder at him, though.
lonewolf9556
Ok, thats fair, and sorry to hear about that. :(
freckledkink
Thanks. She was literally crazy (I had to get a restraining order against her for stalking), and I dumped him, so it's all good now.
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
I have to disagree. It’s not that you’re not mad at the SO too. It’s that you (usually) have no emotional attachment to the third party
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
so it’s much easier to hate them and get violent with them.
lonewolf9556
Fair point
swedishpancakeswithlingonberries
I don't think that people are complaining about immigrants, they are complaining abut illegal immigrants taking jobs. Giant difference.
AlmightyElephant
Funny enough, if you make immigration easier all of a sudden immigrants get paid same as everyone else, so the problem goes away. 》
AlmightyElephant
It's almost like they're getting hired because they're desperate and thus more easy to exploit, because complaining risks deportation.
AlmightyElephant
They're not "taking jobs." Employers are picking them because you're not exploitable enough. And then employers exploit them. Funny that.
mercure
There is a worker scarcity in my domain, it is really great for me.
FailedCrate
What does the rich person with 90 cookies tell the middle class person with 3 cookies?
FailedCrate
"Watch out the poor person wants to steal your cookies" - while MCP is distracted, RP steals another cookie from MCP.
jfarm350
Immigrants took the jobs that weren’t stylish and paying enough for Canadians. If you can’t get domestic workers you look overseas. 1/2
jfarm350
The government helps with various programs. If you don’t like immigrants then pick up a broom or meatsaw or rake or spatula.
4fuckssakes
In my town the migrant workers where quarantined due to covid, they paid locals $25 an hour to do the job, no one showed up day 2.
ThailandExpress
NepLeet
Yes, exactly--no one ever talks about this! Excellent comic.
Jusmar
Yeah, because the penalty for hiring them is fines. Yay hyperbole https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a
sumowoman
A fine for a corporation is just a cost of making more money - like an utility bill. A fine changes nothing.
icyanddicey
Current fines. If fines were defined with fixed amount of money + 2x what the company profited with them, it'd be different. /1
icyanddicey
Or maybe just 50% revenue from years when illegal business was conducted. Paid by the guy responsible upwards. /2
ThailandExpress
Jusmar
Yeah, the dude selling strawberries out of a truck on the side of the road definitely has Bezos money
ThailandExpress
I must have misunderstood you then. I thought you meant unrealistic b/c CEO dont goto jail b/c penalties are nothing but fines
Jusmar
My point was that the fine for employing people trying to improve their lives isn't prison so this comic won't happen by law, not bias.
perey
I'm not them, but I think their point was that it shouldn't be fines and the law needs fixing. Punish the exploiter more than the exploited.
pullingsaiyantails
It's not conservatives that are for open borders.
vitaminalgas
Like it or not,they've been proven to be essential,along with meat processing,most being done by immigrants currently,imagine food shortages
rent249
They're only "essential" because companies refuse to pay a livable wage in those jobs, and refuse to provide safe working conditions.
vitaminalgas
"Essential" is still essential
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Hard labor jobs kinda need to do more than just livable too since we now have easy access to knowledge of how it fucks up your body.
CopySix
Don't think I ever heard a fellow Canadian ever make that complaint. A lot of kids at highschool take ages jobs and know how hard it is.
AwwDamn321
Took me a long time because I read “taken a job from a Canadian” as a Canadian offering an immigrant a job.
fredgiblet
And they can't do that without the immigrants.
The22ndDoctor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshoring
Goodwill82
And what native American tribe(s) are you 100% descended from?
GNiko
I'm guessing you're a Native American.
fredgiblet
Nope. It's also amusing when y'all try to make that a point, given what happened to the Native Americans.
GNiko
That wasn't the point I was making, though. The point was that you're blaming immigrants while missing the irony of descending from them.
ceraxis
China didnt take our jobs. Americans sought out china to save pennies.
tronicles
Jobs have been outsourced heavily since the 80s. Not just to China. Automation been around before that. Americans don’t learn new skills
DanOrtega
Exactly. Pennies. The fucking level of greed is just absurd.
jery007
If I can,I've decided to stop buying things that are made in china.
Malsbury
As a golfer. Most US golf companies moved production to Ch. to save $$. Counterfeit clubs come into the market, reducing profits.
Cheomesh
"Made in China" did a lot to reduce material poverty in America.
jixathejinx
*American companies legislated tax loopholes to increase top-line profits. There. FTFY
SpicyLava
Second sentence is correct, but that doesn’t make the first sentence true.
LetMeTellYouSomethingAboutHowTheWorldWorks
The American government failed to protect citizens from international slavery. You shouldn't be allowed to hire slave labor oversees.
feeltheice
Not quite the gov encouraged those companies to move over there. China can send mail for free in the USA just one small example
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
Not to mention outsourcing critical manufacture of important pandemic response products.
Bigcedar54
So if the immigrants didnt come, and werent willing to work for below average pay, said person would not be laid off. And still have a job.
charliemartino
The CEO's sent the jobs away. They'd do so with or without immigrants, rhey get laid off too when factories go overseas. Blame the CEO.
Malloon
Correct. The thing is, their incentives to act are quite a bit more fundamental than the incentives of the people hiring and firing (1)
Malloon
(not-starving vs. higher profits), so building the system to punish the immigrants is generally inhumane and cruel. The ones that need (2)
Malloon
to be punished and regulated are the ones hiring - by forcing them to pay living wages no matter who works, among other things. (3)
Bigcedar54
You're not wrong. But some immigrants are happy living 10 to a house. I know many. You're saying to punish the man (1)
Bigcedar54
Running the business, which is exactly his job to do. I only wanted to clarify there is a portion of the issue In immigration and culture.
Malloon
I believe you. But that just makes it clearer how bad the alternative would be for them. I'm not saying I know all the answers, nor (1)
Dirtheap
They're not happy living 10 to a house. They're forced to do that because the alternative is starving or being out on the street.
warpigz
The problem isn't a shortage of work but it's a shortage of workers willing to do it. And no the salary isn't bad at all but work is tough.
Himser
Umm labour like that should be paid almost 2x as much as the "market" rate. Plus in canada Ag compa ies are excempt from basic health
Himser
And saftey regulations.. making the work much more dangerous and if you are injured you have less protections.
Kube420
I don't want to pick berries, let the immigrants do it if they want
Imnotafuckingrobotimgur
Tell that to the British produce industry, we have the cheapest fruit and veg in Europe, because farmers pay immigrants an absolute pittance
applesforjuice
When I worked 16 hour shifts 7 days/week in Alaska it was maybe 1/3 immigrants
robmack519
I knew an immigrant who went to Alaska to fish 4 months out of the year. He told me he brought home 70,000k in that time.
Virgil78
It’s not capitalism if illegal immigrants are being paid less than a fair wage to do a job. It skews the price of products lower
Virgil78
Which in turn allows the owners to capitalize further because you can pay less for a “fair” wage because their cost of living is lower
Virgil78
90s housing market is the perfect example. Houses built by illegal immigrants were going for much less than they should have.
Virgil78
They built more than they could sell and then gave loans to people who couldn’t really afford it just to fill them. Then took the bailout.
Virgil78
...when the market crashed and the people couldn’t pay their loans. Oh and took the house in foreclosure and sold it again.
malachitedragon
Rather it's a shortage of employers willing to pay non-poverty level wages. I'll do whatever you want, if you pay me well enough.
PlayingWithDynamite
Which means theres an alternative. What happens when a job is automated? Should they be forced to hire humans rather than machibes?
robmack519
Will you cut asparagus hunched over twice a day in summer heat? There's plenty of work I know immigrants do that no one else will.
malachitedragon
Pay me well enough? Sure, could use the exercise. Won't do sewer or garbage work, though. The people that do are vastly underappreciated.
Calthebold
It's not actually a bad job. Society is just not built around seasonal work at all, and it's gotten more hostile.
tightsarenotpants
Dude.. working outside in the middle of summer in Central California is bad. I'm out there along with the field crews.
Calthebold
This post is about Canada. It doesn't get as sweltering up here.
tightsarenotpants
People say the exact thing about US ag jobs though
Calthebold
And I suspect Yanks are just better at running plantations than us so of course no one wants their ag jobs, but that's not my field.
SafeWords
Sometimes the capitalist doesn't wait for immigrants and just moves those jobs to cheaper countries.
Iatesomecoffeecups
*cough* china
Redisia
Sometimes? A lot of the times exploit the people there... While you fork stupid amounts of price over because of near monopolies.
EalisLav
And then... WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACEMASKS! (All Western countries).
oldguyexlurker
Hard to move the fields themselves, though. I mean, your point is valid, but not universal to various fields. (pun intended.)
puffcorn237
Wait wait. So we just need to find a way to move those fields
oldguyexlurker
I think we might be able to find it in the... field manual. (yep. Dad.)
Calthebold
Kind of hard to move a farm.
SafeWords
I just said jobs, which there are plenty outside of farmwork
Brainzaps
No one want to to field farming, so they are much welcomed. And used by people spreading hatred instead being thankful
SafeWords
That's one scenario! But in the 90s and 00s outsourcing was front and center
Cheomesh
"Corporate downsizing".
cloudninetynine
This. Nothing like opening a new factory in Mexico, giving them new machinery then telling the American crew that they are crap because 1/
cloudninetynine
They aren’t meeting the same quota as the factory in Mexico 2/
fartser
I have customers, who farm, get help from migrant workers. They come in with stories degrading them and it makes me sick. If I didn't 1/2
fartser
need the job, I would love to tell them how I feel about it. But I can't, so I sell them parts at a much higher price than others.