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OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Meanwhile, Trump is imposing EXTRA TAXES on solar. https://imgur.com/9TcDfsm
FuckGlitter
Stop letting mainstream media tell you what to be mad at. Be mad at injustice. Be mad at millionaires buying laws and politicians! Go vote!!
Nintony
Bob has fallen on hard times since his takeover of youtube
Djmanning711
In many cases Shell employs Bob and pays him a shit wage so he qualifies for food stamps. taxpayers subsidize Shell and feed its employees.
frodotheha
How about Shell just not employ Bob at all, and then he makes no money? Blaming the employer for the wage is stupid.
frodotheha
The minimum wage is $0, which is what you earn without a job. Also, oil workers get paid very well.
soggyscone
I'd say the stupid graphic is stupid.
kingdav9
Why not complain about both and be ideologically consistent?
cookfan
Who only gets $1500 a year in food stamps?!?!
cookfan
Okay I looked it up it's $126 per person on average per month. Good to know
IpostSources
"I love politics on imuger" -no one
TheVapeCrusader
Correct. Because that's not how you spell "Imgur."
breakingcode
BUT If the government didn't give them $2B in subsidies, they would only make $19.4B/yr in profits. So,.. think before you talk next time.
NAbsentia
I am grateful that people are seeing and saying this. I've been telling my generation this for forty years but they just look to cash in.
DEEEEEEEEEEZ
https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillinginfo/2016/02/22/debunking-myths-about-federal-oil-gas-subsidies/amp/. Misleading. This is what happens
nxrble
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
Yeah... Fuck Bob and his wanting to feed his family.
nxrble
That’s...that’s Bob from “What About Bob?”, a 1991 comedy film
guannabislord
heymanitsmebob
My username is finally relevant.
Imightbetrolling
We all know food stamps are what is killing our spending. Right? Right guys...? Politicians wouldn't lie to us...
frodotheha
Medicare and Social Security are, then military, and then other entitlements.
TheGreatWizpoo
Dealing with both would be great
kodiakpryde
from a personal exp, i have witnessed employed people on welfare deliberately self limiting their hours to maintain welfare eligibility
RedDwarfIV
Sounds to me like the solution is to change it from a hard cut-off to a gradual decrease.
SignHerePlease
Maybe they'd otherwise not get enough to live on? But of course, someone cheats every system, but that's a minority.
Rumpocalypse
Yeah because that extra $100 costs them $1000 in welfare.
cakeisprettygood
One of my colleagues would lose a ton of money in child support if he worked just a few more hours so he has to cut his overtime
mastikator
Because otherwise they lose more than they gain. The problem is structural and it can be fixed.
ryanstreet
Man, you know a lot of people on welfare. Have you used it too?
BobcatZoidberg
Trump would call that a “smart business decision”.
Cthulhuonabike
My mom had one of her nurses have to decline a small increase in pay because it would have cut her welfare to a point she couldn't afford
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
There is such a thing as the poverty trap. If there are hard income numbers that determine eligibility, it can be better to stay lower.
thadken
Then you've likely witnessed people making a smart financial decision. The extra hours were likely worth less than their welfare check.
TheOnionKnight
Nail on the head.
captainfakeypants
Also an very strong indication that their hourly wage isn't sufficient for their living costs in the first place.
Asteroidrules
And don't forget: Bob isn't actively trying to render this planet incapable of sustaining life.
ChibiQilin
What about vagene?
blumpk1npie
Hey beatiful
captainikag
Bitch lasagna
tiikuri
I feel sad for knowing this reference. I spend too much time on the internet.
captainikag
(I feel so bad for the Indians that don't do this)
ToriJoanne
Read as "Italians". Was confused.
AcidHaunter
Read as constipated. Was perplexed.
IcemanChilled
Read as perspex. Was baffled.
DarkSock
LightStriker
Shell? Rookie numbers... Look at Lockheed and Boeing, just how much gov money they get.
frodotheha
The War Machine needs blood, gotta keep those missiles flying.
BlueHeeler20
This is a false equivalency.
wilsontennisball
This isn’t accurate. Tax subsidies aren’t super helpful to oil companies with the price of oil this low.
FNHuskys
There should be zero corporate subsidies. The social safety net needs to be totally revamped - it too has become an industry.
frodotheha
A tax break is not a subsidy. It is just have less stolen from you.
HitlersArtTeacher
Lol good luck buying veggies and dairy/poultry for less than $1000 per pound if you want no subsidies
rankiniv42
[citation needed]
mike13815
As an agricultural engineer, I would suggest avoiding making comments while you are this high.
tremblesosoftly
That guy has clearly never been to a farm stand, or Farmers market. Best produce around, one third the cost.
MokiYoki
What all do you do in your job day to day?
mike13815
Replace human jobs with machines. Cutting, sorting, packing product. Sensing, testing, calculating field/plant variables. Horticulture only.
mike13815
Currently I'm working on software (everything is software now) to detect the extent of a white fly infestation on tomato crops. It'll be
mike13815
used to map and direct a little vacuum robot that will rustle the leaves and vacuum up clusters of white flies.
McWheels
Yeah, but Bob can’t contribute to any representatives election campaign. Why should the representatives care about him? He can’t help a rep
TheFragnatic
This this and this. The system has become so corrupt the very idea of representatives is failing. They are no longer representatives of
GodDamnedImmigrant
Have you tried turning your system off and on again?
TheFragnatic
The people. They represent themselves and whomever will help them in their effort to continue their enrichment.
theyar
Money doesn't buy votes.
CircleWithSprinkles
But it does by the ads and the politicians. You can't survive as a major league politician without the support of companies
theyar
Maybe. Obama won through Twitter funding by individuals. And company donations tend to follow whoever's popular, not the other way 1/?
AccidentalPhallacy
Shell = 1,333,333.333 bobs
sallyfromthevalleywaitinginthealley
Only a small portion of the employees collect most of the money. The executives.
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
What's the transfer rate between bobs and vagene?
TheBrofessionaI
Safe to assume .75 vagenes per bob on account of (1) bobs who like bobs and (2) young bobs
Meemer2
Where is the unit conversion bot when you need them...
piratejimthedagger
I gave +1 without even checking. Keep your +1
INKNurse
All this talk about bobs but nothing about vagene
gunshowzero
+1 came here to make this comment
nabacular
21.3% of the country uses welfare or 52,000,000.000 Bobs
evbrew
Don't forget about all the bobs in prison, they cost more then welfare!
jasari
Well according to my research about 600-700B are spent on people and subsides make up about 100B so we have a 1/7 Bob to sun ratio.
RevolutionOnHerLips
39% of children. I don't know how many children equals one Bob
nabacular
So 52,000,000 -38% = 32,240,000
DataMonkeyNicki
Going on avgs I’d say I could stack 1.5-2 kids on top of each other =1 Bob. Let’s hope he tall thi cause that’s a lot of kids to saw in half
PikaChunin
Well, Bob used to be 1 child, so Bob no longer being a child is worth at least -1 child, right?
Alistairetheblu
Easy, 3 + a trenchcoat.
mratio
o_0
smashin56
Is this true? I'm genuinely asking... it seems high
nabacular
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
nabacular
Based off 2015 numbers. If they have decreased Trump will try and take credit for that
JayEnfield
TANF supports 4m Americans. Medicaid covers 110m. CHIP covers 6m. SNAP (food stamps) covers 43m Americans. EITC gives tax rebates to 27m.
JayEnfield
TANF is the program that most Americans call "welfare". But all the others can be bundled in to distort perceptions.
JayEnfield
Oh! I almost forgot that just over 2m are on what used to be "section 8" housing assistance.
12309845687
Welfare includes a lot of things. Seniors on Medicaid, veterans, children, widowed parents receiving SS benefits. It's not just poverty.
jasari
Hmm that probably includes social security which probably shouldn't count since each person pays for their own social security in theory.
Nemothenubbed
That's.... Not how it works tho? If you're working you're paying for other people's social security. It's not a savings account.
BobaFettApproves
ironically, a lot of bobs work for shell.
aquamaniam
As someone in the petroleum industry, i highly doubt that. Refineries pay high for minimum output. And gas station employees are not same.
BobaFettApproves
I didn't specify the position, but I count the guys selling cigarettes and mountain dew if the paycheck comes from shell.
aquamaniam
Don't think their paychecks do. Just because it's shell logo on the station doesn't mean shell owns it, let alone sells shell fuel.
aquamaniam
It's like Pepsi. They're an associate but not the retailer. Taco Bell sells pepsi, but isn't an extension of Pepsi.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
No but if someone works at a shell petrol station, they are getting paid by shell aren't they ?
Beetlebard
Shell employees 1,333,333.333 Bobs, they don't have that many Bobs, they're not slaves. A few are probably on Food Stamps too
PJVeddersGirl
It's not saying employees that many bobs, she'll is the equivalent of that many bobs.
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
I see your point but it’s 92,000. I know cause I wanted to make the same point but checked google first so no one “ackshuallys” me
Beetlebard
Yeah you're right. My point was that its not people, and people wouldn't die if a company fails, and that money needs to go back to everyone
Alibifire
When a company tanks, people's lives are definitely destroyed.
Beetlebard
Losing a job doesn't usually destroy your life, but not getting food stamps could. Or like many recently, rationing insulin
toolzgalore2
But what about bob
ThisIsMyNameAndYouCantHaveIt
But what about dragons?
Scuttlebutte
baby steps to the front page
JohnVessenmeyer
My favorite movie.
nxrble
PulpyOJ
I sail! I’m a sailor! Ahoy!
stabthecrab
ThisUsernameIsNotAvailableForYou
Grabmebythepussy69
My favorite part ♥️
ImitationBrand
Only real Bill Murray fans will get the reference
AknottheMangalore
Or Richard Dreyfuss fans.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
There are dozens of us!
YourFatMother
Obviously. Because he made that movie only for his biggest fans and all his biggest fans know about it.
greghaki
Only real Bill Murray fans have seen movies with Bill Murray!
rhombusrightangle
We subsidize industries b/c in a global market a socialized government can and will use its tax base to undercut the market to its exclusion
pronoun
Yes, no one seems to understand this. We don't exist in a bubble.
ryanstreet
We are a socialized government if we give bailouts to private businesses
ForseHucker
It's only socialism when its redistributing money to the poor. When its corporations and billionaires getting help its capitalism. /s
RedDwarfIV
Being serious, that's corporatism, not capitalism. Under capitalist principles, the banks should have been allowed to collapse in 2008.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
And that would have been absolutely disastrous for the country. What should have happened is that the gov't seized control of the banks, -
RedDwarfIV
I agree that the capitalist response would likely have been the wrong one. But the banks need to understand that they cannot drive...
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
paid out to members of those banks (non-investors) their money, snatched control of any loans they had, and just dissolved the corps. As it-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
But Shell employs thousands of Bobs! If we don't pay them they won't hire Bob! /s
newsguycraigevans
If your company can't compete without government intervention then you suck at running a company.
Virus322
You'd be surprised how often this sentiment gets swarmed with "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW BIDNESS WORKS!!!" comments
LizardEnterprises
CausticCake
If we dont pay them, they will continue business as usual because they're still out to make a buck. Saying they need subsidies is socialist
Hackaholic5069
no, saying that they need to be taxed higher because they make more money is socialist.
CausticCake
never said anything about taxes & they don't need these subsidies to continue to do business, which is corporate socialism.
Tarmaccian
Saying they need to be owned by a state-managed people’s collective is socialist. Bickering about tax rates is partisan propaganda.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Higher taxes is not socialist by nature. Especially not when you’re ONLY taxing profit.
CausticCake
also, your point is wrong, because the 40-70% tax rates in post-WWII era would be considered socialist.
superbadonkey
Shhhh, stop talking sense. There's lazy people on the dole that will hate this news.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
A business that relies on handouts and tax revenue in order to hire people is a failure and has no business being alive. Trickle down is BS
TheMayansWereOntoSomething
Found the Shell lobbyist
MokiYoki
He's being sarcastic. A business is ment to take risks not their employees and not their government
angelghoul
they were using sarcasm
jwingZ
Except no, this is how it works
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Conservatives confuse the fuck out of me. “I’ll happily give hand outs to the rich and multimillion dollar corporations, but making sure -
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Less fortunate people get access to healthcare and post secondary education at affordable prices, and thereby create the next generation of-
SociopathicOtter
Fun fact: Asked for employment at Shell, and they asked us to pay them to be hired. Sixty fucking dollars.
NippleLickerOfJustice
But its not about one single person. In 2017 roughly 9.2% of the US pop. Claimed food stamps. An average household of 4 claims 7k in food
Craicerjack
And its not about a single company either, so why dont you do the maths on that.
MichaeIScott
Craicerjack
Wallmart has gotten subsidies whilst workers need foodstamps. Thats pretty much another subsidy for wallmart cos they wont pay a decent wage
NippleLickerOfJustice
Stamps per year. Now 9.2% of 327.2million people is roughly 30million and some change. Which makes annual spending on food stamps roughly
NippleLickerOfJustice
$231,788,480,000. Now i in no way condone all the tax breaks given to shitty corps. But lets just be sure to show the actual stats and not
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Your numbers are staggeringly wrong. Like five fold too high. Also, paying $50 billion a year to feed poor children is not wrong.
NippleLickerOfJustice
Just one side here.
Bizarrogreg
If we're playing that game, Shell is certainly not the only corporation on the other side of the spectrum
spetcnaz
That's not showing the one side. One is a necessity for a citizen of a country to survive the other is getting away from doing your fair
spetcnaz
part and using corruption getting even more money back. It's obvious that social programs cost money, it's what and how they are used.
theyar
More simply: one is money given to someone, the other is money the government graciously allowed them to keep. The whole comparison sucks.
NippleLickerOfJustice
I see what youre saying. And thank you for the math. My point is just to display the numbers, not push any agenda. So thank you!
cptcr
30 million people get to eat food vs. Shell gets more profits. It's not apples to apples. They're both taxpayer dollars, but need vs want.
Rumpocalypse
I think that math is off. 7k per 4 people is 1750 per person x 30 million is like 52 billion, not over 200.
NippleLickerOfJustice
https://www.masslegalhelp.org/income-benefits/no-children-fs-chart max FS is $642 monthly for family of 4
CatsUpvoteTerror
This is what propaganda looks like. Fake tax facts to confuse people who don't know anything about tax law
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Ok, let's talk actual welfare. Walmart employees are so underpaid they collectively receive $6,200,000,000 in welfare per year. That's ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
welfare for the Walton family. They're worth a whopping $140,000,000,000 and force the American taxpayer to pay for food stamps and other...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
assistance in order to keep their employees from starving or sleeping in homeless shelters. Do you think that's propaganda too? And if ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
these ticks on the back of society bribe right-wing politicians to blame the poorest of the poor for high taxes, how is that not propaganda?
frodotheha
Walmart doesn’t force anyone to pay anything. Every corporation in the US has lower paid workers who are net benefit receivers.
TheFragnatic
https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=royal-dutch-shell No the propaganda visible here is the fact that you'd much rather
potatorat45
Yes, the money issued there is a total over nearly 20 years, and it includes nothing exclusive to oil companies.
Abekrampe
Holy shit did you miss the point, but in doing so you revealed the fact that ALL companies have equal oppertunity to abuse the tax code.
TheFragnatic
believe that the man who receives a miniscule amount of money is the villain. Rather than the corporations buying legislation and tax cuts.
TheFragnatic
Now that's successful propaganda. Blame the downtrodden to protect the powerful.
Chimponzoo
This is propaganda, they are trying to generate hate on a successful company and foster class divisions by misrepresenting facts.
Abekrampe
You are the one defending a multi billion dollar enterprise selling fossil fuel in a time where climate change is a global issue. 1/2
Abekrampe
But somehow the person who tries to point out the blatant abuses in the system and tax codes for corporations is the propagandist? 2/2