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May 19, 2019 6:51 AM
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pritolus
Home of the brave and land of going about things the wrong way
justhereforthefun
The average conservative:
dontmagpie
its almost like information leads to better decision-making
NightfallEverdark
Holland was also not founded by Puritans, so they have that going for them.
BraveYoungJaybles
So a well thought out and comprehensive plan actually could impact some or our societal issues? I dunno
stronomer
This knowledge is decades old. The Alabama et al. laws are purely religious fundamentalism. Nothing else.
belindashort
The issue is that they are trying to legislate morality, not actually abortion. The far right want people married abd raising kids.
Daapie
As a Dutch 19 year old, can confirm, no sex yet
thedrippypanda
Are you fat or ugly?
amsterdam1981
It's free untill you're 18. Than it comes out of your deductible
Hardstylelover
hangt er vanaf. bij aanvullend wordt t nog vergoed na je 21ste (anders gaat t van je eigen risico af. ) bij cz wordt de pil dan vergoed
sannafay
Are these words?
LazyLoes
Heck yeah
LazyLoes
Ligt ook aan wat je gebruikt volgens mij
dazzer65
And they win the Eurovision song contest because of it.
sinkuvapolija
I wish that boring ass guys parents had free contraception
NoNoNoPleaseGodTheBees
I don't think a country's stance on abortion or sexual education has an influence on winning a singing contest.
dazzer65
Bet you're a right laugh at parties you. Chill.
BOSSMOPS
Can someone call a bondulonce? I think I had a stroke
HelloDarknessMyOld
Wow, it's like, when people are educated, they don't go out and experiment.
Nedster64
Or know what's coming. The lack of education makes youth not know they actually get pregnant. I experimented but always with protection.
thecoldmage
America isn’t just one single homogenous zone. It’s 50 individual states. California and Illinois are very different than Alabama and Texas.
SuscriptorJusticiero
In fact America is a lot of countries, including the likes of Cuba, Canada, Argentina, the USA or Chile. I guess you meant the USA.
Obnoxious
Dutch here. Can confirm, my 2 oldest (10 years) are starting to get sex-ed in school. Which sometimes leads to amusing conversation.
OrionRed
Please tell the finger in the dyke thing comes up.
Obnoxious
That's an advanced class.
ElioAuditore
1) Right but there's a LOT of cultural differences that this doesn't take into account. We glorify sex to teenagers. Our celebrities are
ElioAuditore
2) people like the Kardashians and Cardi B who are popular because of everything they do is about sex and how selling it made them money.
mormacil
You don't think we got celebrities that sail almost entirely on their sex appeal? Our movies are famous for the frequency of nude scenes.
ElioAuditore
3) That being said I do want all those things, but if you think that's what's going to fix things you're wrong. You want children to do
ElioAuditore
4) better and have more knowledge about sex and be safe while doing it? It starts at home. To make them better we have to be better.
Ismellofhockey
It starts with education. Whether they get it at home or at school doesn't matter. And I seriously doubt that sex doesn't sell in the NL.
survivorofdetroit
Providing sex education and easy access to contraceptives do work. Colorado instituted similar policies and saw a 60% drop in abortion. 1/2
survivorofdetroit
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/local/colorado/2017/12/02/colorado-iud-program-leads-decline-teen-pregnancies-abortions/916760001/
ChrisMorray
As a Dutchie I can confirm, though contraception is no longer free. Abortion is never an easy choice.
JHawke
I might be an exception, or I might just be too old. But I'm Dutch and my sex education was just the teacher showing off her toy collection.
ChrisMorray
Yeah I didn't get anything like that. I got my sex ed as part of biology class in middle school.
EnigmaNL
My sex-ed was just an old hippy woman telling gross stories about her free love escapades in the 70's.
TrustmeIamdutch
Some contraception is still free. (Staafje) but the pill isn't.
EricFromAccounts
Staafje sounds like a delicious waffle-based treat but I trust you
ChrisMorray
It translates to little stick. It's a stick placed in the upper arm that distributes hormones up to 3 years. Equally effective as the pill.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
From what I've heard, its actually more effective. Plus your dont meed to remember to take pills, so definitely more IRL effective
Dugongdugongitsthecowofthesea
Wat is een staafje? Nooit van gehoord.
TrustmeIamdutch
Implanon.. ideaal en minder pieken en dalen qua hormonen dan de pil. 1x in 3 jaar en vaak minder ongesteldheid
mormacil
Implanted hormonal contraceptive.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Anticonceptiestaafje. Voor onder de huid. Een implantaat? Sorry, my Dutch is bad :) Ich hab nur hier und da ein paar Wörter aufgeschnappt.
skywards
Reading this comment remjnded me of watching Inglorious Basterds.
justlurkinfornow
Well that was pretty much flawless Dutch. I wouldn't have been able you're not a native speaker.
gabrieldragulia
For one, as a Dutch guy (dunno about women, and different insurances) I got a free box of condoms when I turned 18 I think? After that 1/2
gabrieldragulia
you're on your own, but hey... you get a start. 2/2
ChrisMorray
It's mostly women contraceptives that are subsidised
madestout
As a Dutch female, I am happy I was born here.
Markamanic
Proud to be dutch! Just dont mix up The Netherlands and Holland again.
OutwoldCats
Wait, what? They're not the same? Are they at least near each other?
BasiliskArt
Holland is the name of two provinces of the country The Netherlands. Holland isn’t a country, The Netherlands is.
OutwoldCats
Thank you, I had no idea. Must have been staring at the beautiful girl in front of me when we got to that part in World Cultures.
BasiliskArt
Absolutely no problem. I can understand the distraction
mormacil
Holland is 2/12 provinces within one of the 4 countries that make up the kingdom. They're however the most populous and have Amsterdam.
SolaceHaestas
The Kingdom of The Netherlands..don't you need Belgium and Luxembourg for that?
mormacil
No just Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten as well as the mainland. Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands is the Benelux union.
SolaceHaestas
Huh.
pinkystar
holland is a part of the netherlands.
TheMomaw
More data: One of the leading reasons for abortion in the USA is that couples can't afford a baby. Holland's poverty rate is 2/3 that of USA
Sensenotsocommon
Yes, please. I'm especially a fan of the extensive education and encouragement of personal responsibility.
risenphoenix62
Well said.
BoltAurelius
The reason splitting the bill is called "going Dutch" is because it turns off traditional women who then dont have sex with you.
removekarling
Just don't let people conflate personal responsibility with "well fuck you, you've gotta pay for everything", as it is in the US.
admiraldookiebritches
I think this is the biggest reason for the difference. It seems like in the US we don’t teach kids personal responsibility.
pogoblaster
We used to, until people figured out it’s easier and more profitable to be the victim
DigitalBang
Fine line between responsible and then some starts screaming about sexual freedom, like those can’t go hand and hand.
LurkerOfDarkness
But how will they blame the democrats then?
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Education IMO is one of the most important topics in politics. You could solve so many problems if people just had a little more insight.
malakim
But smart educated people tend to question the decisions you make. Much easier to govern uneducated cattle, that think the Kardashians are
malakim
the most important thing happening this week.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Sure, but that isn't what democracy should be about. Some more rational decision making wouldn't hurt.
malakim
Never said it should be. Just that it is way easier this way for those who know how to exploit it.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
Part of that education has to be shifting the mentality about sex. It isn't something you give someone else, it's a fun shared activity. I
MobileKeepsMessingUp
Have read and heard too many accounts of people having sex unsafely and before they were comfortable just to appease their partner.
Sutashi
There's also teen rebellion thrown in. In the US notice we tend to do what we're told not to as teens. Drink smoke sex etc. It always...
Sutashi
seems that countries who allow it or at least don't make a big deal about it have lower numbers because it's not exciting or taboo.
pareidoliaperson
There's a Dutch show, where the guessts + hosts take all kinds of drugs, just to teach about the effects. Am american I used to watch where1
pareidoliaperson
they were so cautious about not telling about their experiences using drugs as it would be "teaching" audience(read in a negative way). 2
pareidoliaperson
The two different mindset amazes me. Tho, imho, there aren't so much young druggies out here. I think teaching has a long term 3
pareidoliaperson
positive effect on kids/young adults, they're not as incompetend/irresponsible as we think they are. 4/4/F
TheHawkRules
I too would enjoy knowing how the fuck any of this works without looking it up, because it’s actually kinda difficult to find a good source.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
Very true, I'd highly recommend Drawn To Sex: The Basics (book) or reading the author's educational side of their website. Also Scarlet
MobileKeepsMessingUp
Teen (website) and Planned Parenthood's website give good information on just about everything.
joeys2323
The truth is the people that are against things like this are generally stupid. I know some of them, they barely graduated from highschool
JHawke
The strange thing is we had a study about anti vaxxers sometime last year that said most have a higher than average education.
LurkerOfDarkness
Because they live in an environment that encourages ignorance.
joeys2323
Yup, their reasoning is usually based off of ignorance. 100% serious, he said we shouldn't have it because women should just use plan B.....
CousinEddy
While I agree with this, it is going to take decades to undo the mindset of how sex and nudity is perceived in this country.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
Honestly, the biggest problems I've seen are viewing sex as an obligation and making sex taboo, so even seeking info is shameful.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
So people are social pressured to have sex before they are actually comfortable and they feel too nervous to learn their safety options.
CousinEddy
Very true. It's not the big deal that it's made out to be by movies and it fucks up peoples ability to enjoy the early experiences more
MobileKeepsMessingUp
It makes giving in to a guy/girl for a few minutes during a party easier than going to your doctor and preemptively getting contraception
AllMawgsgotoEleven
The abortion rate is actually 8.6 per 1000 as of 2015. 1995 was last time it was 6 per 1000.
Penthesilean
Your razor-sharp precision has caused you to entirely miss the larger point.
AllMawgsgotoEleven
I was not disagreeing with the point. But if facts are used they should be accurate.
PhantomOfTheDopera
Does the US not have similar programmes?
OrionRed
Oh no no no... the opposite.
darkdragonempress
Certain areas have heavily subsidized contraception and certain areas have good sex Ed. But it varies greatly area to area.
georgejimmydoodle
There are places wehere the sex education is "abstinence only". Guess how well that works.
soepie7
As a Dutch, can confirm.
AlfonsetheChinchilla
Do you think they really have sex less frequently? In holland for the summer. Stories told over beers seem to imply the Dutch are horny AF
mormacil
Average age of losing your virginity in 2017 was 18,1 years old. About 97% of those under 15 never had sex in 2017. So yes?
BillHubbard
No, in general not less then other countries. Proper sex Ed just makes the risks (STD/Pregnancy) lower. And it takes the taboos out.
fstrutzkoff
they are too busy riding their bikes around
florisvanmaanen12
Apparently kids 20 years ago on Holland were sooner with first time sexual activity. The cause: kids are too busy with Social media / games
Brionmushrooms
As someone with a thing for the Dutch. Can confirm
maclaglen
Get out of here with your facts. Abortion is murder because the voice in the sky that only talks to some people says so
NoNoNoPleaseGodTheBees
What facts? There are zero references and most of what's said is just "I swear, the entire country does exactly this!".
MabelandDipperPines
Sounds like good logic to me
schrodingerscatfood
Except the Voice never mentioned any of that in the Writings.
FrogBotherer
Oddly the Old Testament seems to condone abortion - e.g. the fairly gruesome test for adultery in Numbers 5:11.
Medusapenis
Christians citing the old testament don't understand christianity
dmitriid
Christians tend to pretend Old Testament doesn’t exist (because New Testament is for all intents and purposes a new religion)
SirButcher
Except for hating the gays, because that is an important thing. The rest doesn't count tho'
Zraxus
Well also because past Jesus's death the rule do actually change, since we've been "forgiven" or something.
eggmuffin
American Christians do the opposite. They clearly believe that Jesus was not the messiah, no one got saved, and the old rules still apply.
maclaglen
But my pastor that I gave lots of money too says so. You have to trust a man that wealthy.
MabelandDipperPines
Of course! I give so much money to man who tells me to or else I'll burn in hell. No ulterior motive could possibly be there!!!!
AskingTheRealQuestions
Yes, he seemed too busy bashing gay people and giving up to date "how to"-guidelines on slavery.
massaka123
Unfortunately, you live in a time where common sense is absent and the earth is flat again. Clowns leading the country. No one will listen.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Crazy cheeseburgers.
onlyangrywhenitsbs
*We
FinnishLogic
No-no-no, my friend, it has been so from the very beginning of time. Here is, what has been changed /a/JKu7EyU
fartalert
I will listen. And that's what I'm gonna do. I'll never give up on humanity
lilmookieesquire
It's the death throes of a dying out generation. Things stand to get better in 10-15 years, politically.
Doumdidoum
By then, it's gonna be the X and they ain't better.
lilmookieesquire
Less worse? But much less of them.
SomeSatisfyingGifs
But by then the earth will be dying of climate change to the point of no return and then politics won't matter as we wait for our whole
SomeSatisfyingGifs
planet to die
lilmookieesquire
Ya, but it's political practice to tell people that and demotive from real change. Business is scared of the zenials. When the revolution1/2
lilmookieesquire
2/2 comes, don't compost me bro.
Clockworkdancerobot
Finish babies sleep in cardboard boxes. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22751415
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
I mean worst case scenario, a dry cardboard box with a mattress ground is still pretty warm and cozy.
TanDumpLord
That's a little simplified.
MabelandDipperPines
I mean this actually looks like a good idea lol
Clockworkdancerobot
Yup. One way to cut infant mortality, give mothers stuff that helps.
Abbysomeoneabbynormal
We also, here in Scotland, give these boxes out to expectant mothers. It was taken from the Finish example, I think
Jordinatinglybeautiful
That’s true. A mate of mine just having a kid and they got it through. Sturgeon lifting it from the Nords.
BoomGoesTheThermonuclearDevice
They've started doing it in Canada too, or at least Ontario. Useful little bundle of baby stuff.
squintish
Have you see those boxes? They're pretty great.
PuddingBuks
Watch it, they might start calling you a Libtard (oh, and this story is true, though the free bit is now partially free, but inexpensive)
Armouredfalcon
I got called a socialist for saying In my country I dont have to pay for surgery in the hospital... Americans are weird af.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
It's called brain washing
HighlandPotatoe
Yeah, our 20wk termination was paid for by the county and the funeral (cremation) they even offered funeral cars to take us to the funeral.
HighlandPotatoe
We kept it simple as possible because we wanted the funds to go to parents who lost children / full term. We did it to get his ashes.
TisIChenoir
What is wrong with being socialist? That's an economic structure, nothing more.
BiggestofBears
BeCaUse tHe NaZiS wErE sOcIaLiSt.
lilmookieesquire
Sorry.
EricFromAccounts
What are you CANADIAN
lilmookieesquire
I went there once and I got Geese flu. The goose absorbed my meanness, and now I say "sorry" more than before. Sorry.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
Hey I made this same point and got called a sexist for suggesting prevention of pregnancy is better than termination.
MabelandDipperPines
I mean if the way you say it is "well if you sluts just used condoms this wouldn't happen!" Then that doesn't get received well because that
MabelandDipperPines
doesn't take into consideration rape, especially rape of children. I'm not into going around telling 9 year olds they need to cover up their
MabelandDipperPines
Shoulders if they don't want to have their internal organs crushed by being forced to carry a pregnancy to term
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
1)I said that when talking about abortions everyone ignored the more sensible option of contraception got called sexist. And rape isnt the
BlacksMcNutt
Its expensive, you just dont pay for it at the cash register. Actually very expensive.
Rumpocalypse
We pay more per capita for healthcare than any other nation for similar results.
RonnieHubbard
Have you lived elsewhere to experience how expensive it is? Cause I lived in the US for four years and it's cheaper in Europe. Significantly
PuddingBuks
You fail to see the point, it's cheaper in Europe because we don't accept the extortion of pharmaceutical companies
RonnieHubbard
Who says that I don't think Americans should behave like that? 140 characters guy. Not gonna write a thesis
PuddingBuks
No, it's not. Birth control pills cost between $10 and $50 a year, anything more than that is extortion.
CreepyPhlox
Birth control is free in the US now. Thanks, Obama.
MobileKeepsMessingUp
As an American woman with birth control and a friend to someone in a very low income bracket with the same, this is false. It costs me
MobileKeepsMessingUp
A couple hundred dollars to get an IUD AFTER my good insurance paid some. My friend may get hers for free only because my democratic
MobileKeepsMessingUp
State with a specific program for free contraception. This is not the norm
Lollooooo
What's a libtard ?
CondescendingCunt
It's a portmanteau of "library leotard"; a leotard for librarians that is said to facilitate faster reading by relaxing your body when worn.
VitaminJay
An ad hominem attack on someone is when you have no other way to refute their position. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
retgarr
Just some term used by the ideological types. 'Liberal' and 'retard'. A counterpart for libtard is 'Rethuglican'. Some people are jerks.
ChainmailleAddict
People who can see basic cost-effectiveness (Socialized medicine) and people having their own agency (abortion in addition to
ChainmailleAddict
2/2 the ability to let people be what they want to be because it's not hurting anyone (LGBT/transgender rights)
NoOneKnowsImLying
"liberal retard"
villlllle
I guess it's better than a literal retard, which is spelled "republican voter".
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Someone who can read and interpret information without the assistance of fox news.
justlurkinfornow
jonisnilsson
It's just what american conservatices loves to call everyone who doesn't agree with them. Mix of "Liberal" and "Retard".
admiraldookiebritches
Some American conservatives* I personally cringe when I hear it
retgarr
Used by some. I have a number of conservative beliefs and would never use a term like that. Tribalism is gross.
MabelandDipperPines
Thank you! I like debating political topics with conservatives to get a different point of view but I often just get called (1/2)
starrocket98
It is free before the age of 21!
ThisGuy8089
but wouldn't people have to pay more taxes to support said "free" contraception? though i agree sex education needs to be brought back.
RupertR
I would gladly pay more taxes to increase sex ed and access to birth control/ reproductive health centers
Stolf
Yes. Well that or we can stop blowing up countries with brown people in them....so i guess higher taxes is the only option
osteoporoosi
This pays the taxes back, less costly social problems in the future.
HighlandPotatoe
Contraception costs less than the services they'd have to provide and tax cuts / benefits for people having more kids
HighlandPotatoe
So it overall and long term works out more cost effective.
HatofTacos
I would gladly pay more in taxes for everyone’s healthcare if it meant the $400 or so a month in healthcare premiums disappeared.
RonnieHubbard
But you wouldn't be paying insurance anymore. And trust me I lived in America, you pay more to insurance than you would in taxes. So you'd
RonnieHubbard
Save money actually. Now you wouldn't be able to demand whatever prescription pills you want. But considering the US has a major pill issue
RonnieHubbard
That would be a good thing for your society as well
Evermourn9
And?
ThisGuy8089
women have 4 choices, morally speaking.. contraception, abstinence, adoption, or motherhood. viability is not an argument, either.. 1/2
ThisGuy8089
2/2 many elderly would die without help, children would die without parents providing for them..
ThisGuy8089
i'd rather not have to pay more taxes for people being irresponsible with their choices then not wanting to take responsibility afterwards
TrueNorthernLights
How is using birth control "irresponsible with their choices"?
bnm12
No I'm sure you rather pay for home protection, insurance, hospital when the unwanted child grows up poor and comits armed robbery 1/2
bnm12
Than a cheap condom for a stupid teenager
Cho2672
And that “fuck you, got mine” attitude when it concerns your fellow countrymen’s lives is the exact reason for this post.
Cho2672
That and the ABSOLUTE DENIAL AND FAILURE to consider the long term results at all, such as by observing other more successful countries.
Fistouille
In Western Europe many "libtard" things are part of the everyday life and accepted by conservatives... US still has a long way to go
georgejimmydoodle
The right resisted Medicare when it was first proposed, too. Liberal values become American values in time.
STINKPICKEL
Yes because, liberals here don't subscribe to nor promote "an ethic of personal responsibility" for any of one's own actions.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Except the UK, which is the Texas of Europe
millanbel
That's because US right is EU far right and US left is EU centre.
lilmookieesquire
I kind of feel like the US Left is EU a-little-right-of-center still, but yes.
Artemisius
As a left of US left person im inclined to agree with this, I seem centrist by EU standards
MabelandDipperPines
I mean we still can't decide if people with different skin colors deserve human rights so yeah lol
AlkeneThiol
European countries aren't anywhere near as demographically diverse as the US. Our problems are kind of unique because of that
GSCultist
Not really. The larger the group the more democratic power they have. We in Europe would be able to abuse our systems much more than you.
BlueLanternBraxx
How dare your skin contain more melanin due to your ancestors' proximity to the equator! We don't take kindly to hot weather adaptations.
Fomlefantastic
I mean, white people are the ones that adapted, tbf
BlueLanternBraxx
MabelandDipperPines
I get called a Libtard a lot hahaha it's one of my least favorite words in the English language
AvagadrosAvocados
My own mother called me a libtard. I told her at least I'm not a rebulican't.
iworkforjesus
It's also just not a word in the English language. It's a bastardization of two different words to create something uniquely hateful. Sucks
MabelandDipperPines
My little bro has autism and the R word is really hurtful. Then to have people use it as a way to insult people who have human decency...ugh
TheWhiteJonJones
That would assume every liberal has human decency. You can't group people blindly.
EmanNiemThcin
You guys need a 'competition' like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un-word_of_the_year (That is if you don't already have it)
ThePastmaster
... Racist? o_O I can't keep up with all these X-Words. The A Word, the B Word, the N Word, the L Word, the C Word, FFS.
MabelandDipperPines
We were literally talking about the word libtard which is based on the word retard like idk why it's rocket science to get context cues
ThePastmaster
*Shrugs* Sometimes I have a hard time trying to figure out what people want to say. Aspergers getting in the way I guess.
fartalert
Retard
ThePastmaster
I would question why that's an X-Word but I'm not going to. Thank you. :)
PuddingBuks
I'm against PC and freely spout all sorts of profanity, but I understand your point, and would respect that in a conversation. People are
skylin05
See PC in my view is just not being an asshole to people and calling people slurs. Profanity is fine I'm super liberal by US standards and-
skylin05
I'll say fuck shit and whatever and tear into someone if they're being a dick but I'll never use a slur.
PuddingBuks
Assholes
MabelandDipperPines
Typically when I ask them to stop using that word they say "retard isn't a slur it's a word for autistic people until you snowflakes decided
NoOneKnowsImLying
I get called libtard constantly and I'm a fairly conservative libertarian.
BiggestofBears
Anyone that doesn't like Trump in the states gets called a libtard by his base. It's quite annoying.
HowNowBrownCowBowWow
And anyone that supports trump is called a nazi... very polarizing times we live in.
BiggestofBears
It's almost like his supporters are rioting for white supremecy and wearing swastikas.not all obviously...but if you support Nazis....
GoshKarenYoureSoStupid
As a Dutch woman, contraception is NOT free here.
Falkh12
If that's the only inaccuracy in this article, it's still miles better than whatever the US has.
justlurkinfornow
It's not free anymore but it's very affordable.
GoshKarenYoureSoStupid
Thats so true and I can’t even begin to compare how much better we have it here. Still I must say it’s not as perfect as op said it is.
Hardstylelover
Heb je basis of aanvullend? bij sommige krijg je bij aanvullend alsnog vergoed (cz bijvoorbeeld doet t dan wel)
GoshKarenYoureSoStupid
Ik heb aanvullend, maar het spiraaltje (de enige contraceptie zonder hormonen naast condooms) wordt niet vergoed. De pil ook niet meer!
LazyLoes
Toen ik 21 werd moest ik het ook zelf betalen. Ben nu +- €130 pj kwijt
LazyLoes
Oh en ik gebruik evra pleisterpil
mormacil
The pill has stopped being free but there's fully converted contraceptives still out there covered by insurance. Also isn't the pill free1/2
mormacil
for young woman? There's a cut off point in the early twenties IIRC. 2/2
GoshKarenYoureSoStupid
Yeah the pill isnt free if you’re over 18! I got an iud when i was 18 and had to pay around 360 euro for that
mormacil
360 wasn't your Eigen Risico? And I'm pretty sure the pill is free til 21, at least these days.
GoshKarenYoureSoStupid
Yeah youre right about the pil! My mistake. But an iud isnt covered by insurance, and wasnt covered by eigen risco. My mom paid for it
LifeIsDukka101
Never let facts get in the way of ideology and propaganda.
NoNoNoPleaseGodTheBees
But this entire post is propaganda.
mormacil
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7971545/
KuistiPanu
Banning abortions doesn't work - people just start cooking their own in their bath tubs...
cepacolusmaximus
Not here in the US! 'Murica!
raknor88
But my God said it's bad. So then the government should make it law. /s
mormacil
Funnily enough the Koran states a fetus won't get a soul till 4 months making it equal to an animal till then.
valen00
My god said you can't do that
rkhale01
Fuck your God, get him out of my face before he gets these hands.
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
You don't count the dead with god on your side
DeepAnalTongue
Ah, them. You answered my question. Thanks.
g0st
Well the fact is, if embryos are people I'm gonna freeze dozens and claim the on my taxes. I'll also take out life/miscarriage insurance .
ragekritz
They actually shifted it to be zygotes in their arguments so it would be fertilized eggs. But I agree with the sentiment
SundaeSchool
when people call abortion murder I call euthanasia animal abuse
AlphaVirus2g
Ha! This is a good one.
rusrsdude
It was also a post here just a day ago.
BamDiggity
Social security numbers aren't assigned until birth. Only thing those frozen babies will be good food is a snack.
iravendarknessi
Oh god don't give them ideas!
DeepAnalTongue
Who the fuck down voted this. OP statement is factual and verifiable. What 'tard is so indoctrinated with their "beliefs" they're upset?
Canuckleheads
I didn't downvote but correlation does not imply causality. The argument is a logical fallacy and just pushes a political ideology
Aristoo
DeepAnalTongie over here, keeping it real
NoNoNoPleaseGodTheBees
I generally don't believe anyone who claims to be factual yet fail to cite sources. I'll give OP a red arrow because of you.
DeepAnalTongue
Except I was replying to LifeIsDukka, obviously. And you could go educate yourself about the Dutch stats. I see someone saved you the work
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DeepAnalTongue
Summary, among lowest abortion rates in the world. High level sex education. Contraception readily available. Any questions?
DeepAnalTongue
Thanks for doing the work for everyone. Saves wear on the internet.
RanOutofWit
Good thing this is a site where points are meaningless, or I might actually feel bad for downvoting that.
DeepAnalTongue
See, you even get down voted! Down votes for everyone!
bab73
Yes, talk about facts. After rapid researchs, 17%o aborts in USA in 2011. 14%o in France in 2017, slightly better. And my condoms
bab73
Are paid by the health care. The tomorow's pill is free and we have sex ed. It doesnt do everything.
mormacil
So what DOES explain the difference with the Netherlands?
ZombieVarwick
A lot more White people.
alsoAzrael
Too bad this post only has ideology and propaganda, is what I would say if I were a fucking retard.
cepacolusmaximus
Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half...
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
alsoAzrael
Same. :)
NotAHomunculus
I think people missed what you were saying here. ♀️
alsoAzrael
Yeah, I was trying to make a joke, not start a flame war. Guess it's too early for some. :D
NotAHomunculus
I think they would have got the joke if there were quotation marks in your comment. Don't worry, I got you.
MabelandDipperPines
Lolol not gonna lie it took a couple reads for me to get it.... Dyslexia ftw lolol
alsoAzrael
Really? I legit thought it was really obvious. It honestly never crossed my mind that people would misunderstand me.
MabelandDipperPines
I understand you are actually backing me up here but please don't use the R word it's not ok :/
alsoAzrael
I can understand that. My bad.
MabelandDipperPines
I'm not saying that no one can use any bad words it's just that words like retard are a slur against peeps like my little bro who has autism
alsoAzrael
My bad man, I didn't mean anything against actual autistic people. I have nothing but respect for the autistic.
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alsoAzrael
Are you seriously incapable of reading an entire sentence? Are you actually this dumb, that you read the first half and then fell asleep?
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alsoAzrael
Let me know if that was too many words for you.
alsoAzrael
Try reading my original comment, only this time read the entire thing.