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PersianPrince
12ft.io
dafwinj
They want us dumb
CleverGroom
I've begun to think anything worth doing should be not-for-profit. Profit turns good to evil and evil to good.
todaysies
Agree with the sentiment, but that's not what the paper was about. Also scihub will get you most things for free.
easterndaylighttime8
Or try zlib.org. I found it in 1 second https://booksc.org/s/The%20growing%20inaccessability%20of%20science
MrRobotMaker
Honest question, why do authors not get paid (like book authors) when they publish something?
ChrisWsrn
Here you go libgen.fun YAR!
showmeyourAorBhole
Wait until you see how much it’s costs to keep up the credentials for the people who wrote the studies
FoxGodRecords
The author self-published: http://people.soc.cornell.edu/dph1/lexical-analysis/schoolbooks/Papers/HayesGrowingInaccessibility1992.pdf
PrincessNausicaa
You should be able to access it through a library (university libraries usually welcome people), library groups, and national libraries.
Haaaaack
Email the authors they are typically happy to send you a copy. Tedious but effective
SlagathorTheThird
You can,but you still pay indirectly, while the authors virtually get nothing
kaijuuGold
most articles are available with school credentials
Lazyfell
https://www.sci-hub.st/
IPoisonedDorcasMutton
Had a course on Open Source Culture that wanted me to spend $130+ on an online software and textbooks.
Northstar219
David Mitchell has a great line in a funny rant, in society you want to subsidize the things you want and tax the things you dont >
Northstar219
> like a sin tax on cigarettes or a tax credit for donating to charity. It would be cool if you could write this purchase off as >
Northstar219
> a tax credit (especially for students). A monetary incentive for people to learn more things. Idk just musing, probably flawed somehow
Northstar219
Also, I forgot to put quotes on Mitchell's line but I also paraphrased the crap out of it
Thephedora
Jjst.. email David.
MorallyCasual
Honestly that's a cheap article. They are usually $40. But scihub is free.
rossimus
I mean I'm pretty science literate and I've never read an actual paper published in Nature.
MaxximumB
It's the publishers / middle men. Scientists love talking about their work.
Legageddon
I tell my first years to follow their curiosity furiously now while their bonkers tuition has them on this side of the paywall.
UsuallyWelsh
I'm doing my MSc at one university and since started working at another one, STILL don't have access to a load of the papers I want
Legageddon
That blows. I’m guessing you already talked to the subject librarian. I’m lucky enough that our library is pretty well stocked up
TopFurret
Sci hub my dudes. All you need is the DOI
wesruv
Also academia: you just have a master's to teach a bachelor's course, job experience doesn't count, even in a brand new field where none...
wesruv
of the existing staff have any experience. The system isn't made to make sure the students get a great education.
EroticZombiePants
Authors get shafted by publishers even worse than many musicians get shafted by music companies.
dxGGxb
Oh! You mean the guys who pay thousands to get their paper out and do not get any financial gain from it??
BobbyVegana
Alexandra Elbakyan said 'fuck'em!' and oh boy she mean it https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/
TheWeebleWobler
How ironic
DaNylz
sci-hub
Rectalexam
Wait until you find out how much they charge the author to make the article open access or the print version to have color pictures.....
soulsource
If one is lucky, the research funding agency (aka "the taxpayer") pays for it.
Rectalexam
Funny how funding budgeted for use by the end of the month for other research magically gets moved to pay for things
FnordGallop
Let me guess... $3,852.47
jdplomin
Sounds like you might have some experience in this topic.
FnordGallop
I might.
FnordGallop
somewhere between 2-5k, depends on the journal.
MyNotSoCoolAndRatherAwkwardPersona
What do they charge?
Rectalexam
For us it was $2450 for open access and another $300 per figure that needed to be in color
Rectalexam
And that was back in 2019
MrOysterMeister
In my case: $2200 for open access, $325 per figure printed in color.
dukegonzo
Then all the profit belongs to you?
MrOysterMeister
They have the perfect business model, charging both the supply and the demand!
Xenarion
Hahaha no, oh no.
dukegonzo
Ffs. It's a joke they get away with it.
stunnedmudshark
It varies, but I’ve seen open access fees up around $5000. Don’t remember what they charge for color pictures, but also too much …
Quasar87
https://arxiv.org/ <= Free access to a remarkable number of physics and maths papers.
EvilKrikkit
Capitalism ruins everything.
HeldCaptiveByJeffGoldblum
Without capitalism this likely doesn't see the light of day. While a lot of things capitalism does wrong, there are plenty it does right
VaultGirl69
I didn't always agree with this, but it's never been so grossly unregulated. My generation's lives are completely rented.
xXxSTEVOxXx
CREAM! Enslaved by money! Pay your fuckin bills yall!
HelloMax
That’s a nice Internet you’re using there…
Bhargo
you mean the internet the US government gave shitloads of loans to communications companies to upgrade and they pocketed it?
Deunderscoremoralize
you absolute moron, the internet came directly out of the government - google "ARPAnet". OUR tax money, capitalists just make you pay for1/2
Deunderscoremoralize
access to the infrastructure. it's a total racket. 2/2
ElSephiroth
While I agree about Capitalism, this is not it. It is a Mafia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usDdBOGdEV0&ab_channel=Margins
IconicM
I'm sure we'd be much better off with politicians controlling access to information.
PostsNComments
We'd be about the same.
IconicM
Making it completely unavailable is the same as making it available for a price?
Bhargo
Ah yes, clearly letting individual billionaires who align with fascists to control access to information is the better option
IconicM
Which billionaire is running that publishing site? Also, don't like it? Create one yourself that's better. That's the thing you couldn't do
IconicM
If government was running that business.
TA2019
OR a generation grew up in a time period where the internet was basically free and now there's industries made out of it because
TA2019
No one will make content without wanting some sort of compensation for it?
TA2019
Unregulated capitalism is definitely an issue. This is not the reason why this particular thing is an issue though.
kennapattyanne
I get what you’re saying, but publishers in stem double dip at the reader level, the author level, and they ask for the peer reviewers to…
kennapattyanne
… do it for free, which makes sense. However publishing companies are kind of looked down upon for their money grubbing.
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
Capitalism? I don't think so. Letting everything be dictated by capitalism, yes. Some things should be market-independent
Deunderscoremoralize
there is such a thing as "market socialism," you know... markets are not unique to capitalism, private ownership is.
Maelwrath
We're all going to die because of unbridled capitalism and still you're here kissing up to it?
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
I'm unsure how to answer this because it's bad in so many ways. 1) human continuity is a massive variable that you have no means of >
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
Predicting, 2) in what way am I "kissing up"? I specifically say it's not suitable to many domains. There's more but let's keep it to those
ReaperCDN
Like what? The only thing unregulated markets get you is monopolies.
MrZev
You write a book, you should be able to sell the book for any price. I buy rights to book, I should be able to sell book for any price.
MrZev
Or do you think all books should be free or priced equally. Gov should pay you to write books so they can sell or give away then?
MrZev
Capitalism is about being able to set a price that you think it's worth. Don't default all books or writers the set costs or wages.
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
Capitalism isn't about lack of regulation. It's private ownership, encouraging free market and competition. Monopolies are the result of >
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
Any market system that runs long enough. Monopolies happened throughout history, in every Era. You haven't identified a capitalist problem.
ReaperCDN
Define free market.
PostsNComments
'NOT ALL CAPITALISM!' Alright there, Elon, relax.
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
You're right. We should just have unnuanced generalizations. Thanks, Marx.
ihavethelowground
Iirc you could contact the author and they'll give you a free copy
swefur
Just copy the title or the doi and go to sci-hub
bokuwagukuma
As author, can confirm I barely ever read requests for copies in my inbox, don’t have a system to dig through my files
user3827492
Just don't use websites like SCI-HUB to pirate them. SCI-HUB may give free access to any paper, but don't use SCI-HUB because piracy is bad.
cyrilzeta
ArXiv.org has free "pre-prints" of almost every article in many disciplines
pandaM3CH4
I tried but they're too busy. It's an inconsistent solution to a serious problem :(
drgonzo67
If only there was some kind of decentralized network that could deliver information quickly and freely to millions of people... Oh, well.
Whopkins
I had to pay $70 extra when publishing my dissertation to allow it to be publicly accessable for free. Quite annoying.
pandaM3CH4
*academically triggered to riotous violence*
seenunseen
All knowledge is free if you know where to look but a healthy society requires easily accessible knowledge
rbudrick
I tried this once. They didnt respond.
Wyattcon11
After entering upper academia, I'd say you're lucky to get a response unless you're using a credentialed email. 1/2
Wyattcon11
My research advisor says he gets so much spam after publishing thateven if there was asking for his work he wouldn't see their email 2/2
IShibaBeastIsWhatNameImgurChose4Me
Or SciHub for millions of articles
VasyaTheCat
I've done this myself with great success, but as others have commented it's unsustainable, not timely, and can be unreliable. The author >
VasyaTheCat
I contacted let me know he only had so many copies to share freely.
Idontneedrealfacts
There be other ways too lad, the sea has her own laws, and she cares not Fer the ways of the riches
justiPumpkinTaker
The article is from 1992. If the guy even has a copy of it around
TehGuard
Can't see who wrote article half the time tho
DaveTheScientist
Every scientific article has the author list very prominent on the "preview" page. At least, every one of the thousands I've read.
knowallknownothing
That’s nice while they’re alive.
EmptyHouseBurglar
Or just wait a year or two. They often go open access after a time. And yeah, I send mine on any request.
wilkins1952
This is happening less and less, A place I know even goes after people sharing there papers with legal suits to prevent it.
EmptyHouseBurglar
Yikes. Well, seems to be normal in my field, epidemiology
cyrilzeta
In Europe, making papers open-access is becoming a law, I think, because the research (and publication costs) is paid for by tax money.
FuckThemIfTheyCantTakeAJoke
Much easier to go to Google Scholar, type in the article name, and download your free copy from the link to the right of the article.
SpacemaniaXu
This is generally true, most writers are excited to share their knowledge.
LittleIrishTurnip
I had to write a paper and I couldn’t access a journal article. Turns out, my boss wrote it— he was excited to share!
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Yeah it helps them if you end up citing their work in your work.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Or just get it right away from sci hub... assuming it's even still fucking available god damn it.
WalkingWithPythons
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ProbablyOnlyOnce
Still works for me.
LordNergal
Not available, according to my efforts.
xXxSTEVOxXx
FUCK.
Vesane
It's ok, it's still available, just doesn't have articles beyond 2021, I think
Vesane
Are you on a network blocked by the ddos screening or something? Several mirrors still accessible on my mobile data, but not thru hosp wifi
LordNergal
No. And ddos screening wouldn't stop me anyway. I can find the original article on Nature itself, though. Downloaded directly, no payment.
Deunderscoremoralize
working, as is z library which is pretty good
Vesane
It is, not sure what the other person was talking about https://sci-hub.ru/10.1038/356739a0
Geodoge
.ru is a Russian website. I'm not going to give them traffic. Thanks though.
TheRealFireFrenzy
its only hosted there to avoid legal issues but i can see your reasoning
TrueTalk
That's oddly racist/discriminatory; it's not like their site/mission to make knowledge accessible has anything to do with supporting Putin
Shaodyn
The vast majority of them will happily do so. Very few authors see one cent of the fees to read their papers.
OriginalEducatedCohort
As much as I hate to say it. THIS IS HOW MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS USED TO WORK.....
mksu
That's not really sustainable at a rate that would promote widespread scientific literacy. It works because barely anyone does it.
uplookdont
What if they uploaded to the Minecraft library?
VillagerJeff
Widespread scientific literacy doesn't mean laymen are reading scientific research journals though.
greentights
But you've enough millennials with stem degrees doing work they didn't specialize in who can read & understand many of the papers in their
greentights
Related fields which helps them become more knowledgeable & frankly make society better. At least that's the hope
VillagerJeff
That's the job of science communicators. Unless you have a degree in a field there's an incredibly high chance a research paper from that
xXxSTEVOxXx
This application of the Kantian categorical imperative is most satisfying. I like it! It's very informative.
Deunderscoremoralize
well, the concept of universalizability is hardly Kantian, I would argue in order to be truly Kantian it would have to pertain to ethics...
xXxSTEVOxXx
"Universalizability" now I have a word that can replace the cumbersome & pretentious "kantian categorical imperative". Thanx smartypants! :)
MaleekTheFreak
Y quien entiende eta vaina?
Deunderscoremoralize
it's really just a bunch of language tricks, doesn't mean anything worth knowing
Spootanany
And if they did the authors probably couldn't keep up
barnwolf
They can just use like an auto responder bot.
silverspider87
That somehow knows exactly what article the sender is asking for? They don't publish only one thing and stop.
Solkanarmy
just send a list of links to all articles they've published, even the most prolific won't be much north of 200 or so
Ristari
Either set the bot up to ask or just...send em all.
ThomasThundersword
i mean if they had the bot scan for the name in the title. and respond with the right article or a “error not found” maybe