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Cyclophile
To those that think abortion should be illegal: http://youtu.be/926Amrykyiw
AbyssusPuella
RIIIIIIGGS
Ugh, I come here for dank memes, not overwrought Facebook memes.
PicklesAreCapitalism
It wasn't the END of it either. It was just.. a small section of women now able to have safe ones, if they can afford it. Many still need it
brrpr
America confuses me everyday in a new way.
Joylove
As a Europe I'm stunned this medieval discussion is still live in the USA.
SanchoPanzaWasFat
Until around the Victorian era, abortions were mostly accepted. Only when immigrant birth rates started outpacing Americans did this change.
princeaizen
We need to stop saying pro life and start saying anti choice
AlabasterScarf
"rare"
MiguelOBarbaro
All abortions end with at least one dead.
copingcabana
It's also the two most common ways to cross a river.
NeoStone
I'm ashame to confess that I feel against it until it happen to me. I got pregnant finishing college and no money. I always have a good sex
NeoStone
2 a good sex education, but anticonceptis neither birth control are 100% exact. I was scared and I wasn't ready. When I have my first obs ap
NeoStone
3appointment they told me the fetus has not heart beat( normally appears at 7/8 even 9 weeks ) it was not there. I live in a country where t
NeoStone
4 the abortions are illegal. And doctor(prolife) try to convince to wait more. But that's never good, I could get an infection. But she didn
NeoStone
5 she refused to give the pills. So I got it anyway and finished. I did it. No risk upper than 5% with a pill. Don't get anything like infec
NeoStone
6. Infection or anything. I don't regret I wants ready to be a mother. Although was one of the worst moment of my life. Here I was crying
TheArcticAC
Americans arguing between Pro choice and Pro life, never realizing there's a middle ground (like most of the rest of "the west" have)
GodofBacon
But I'm not pro life or pro choice. I'm just pro abortion. There's too many people as is.
RageCuddles
That's what happens when a small group of hardcore religious people think abortion = actual genocide.
TheArcticAC
Pro-choice is a ridicilous side as well. There is a reason why most places have limits on non-medical late term abortions
crackedatlas
Pro choice is for non-medical early term abortions though. I don't think anyone argues for 3rd trimester abortions without complications.
TheArcticAC
There is no big side in the US that is for something reasonable like the abortions laws most European nations have
TheArcticAC
No, pro-choice is, by definition, for abortions for any reason at any time. This includes "meh, I changed my mind" abortions in week 40
Drosophilamelanobastard
a significant reduction but not the end. Late term abortions are still invasive, though usually performed when the mom would die otherwise.
SuzieFantastik
Abortions are still safer than actually giving birth so...
Drosophilamelanobastard
And invasive late term abortion of miscarriage are more dangerous than healthy normal birth. its all about the details.
castlemacaw
It varies for everyone. Every case is different. Generalizing like this is a bit rude imo.
Drosophilamelanobastard
You are absolutely right. Getting an appendectomy is much safer having appendicitis, but there is still a nonzero chance it will kill you.
SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
Not going to bother arguing with y'all. But please stop purposely misinterpreting/oversimplifying being pro-life's side. You know 1/2
SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
2/2 it's not about controlling people's bodies, it's about life and death.
castlemacaw
No... this is about whether it is the government's right to control whether or not we do it. Same with medicinally assisted suicide.
castlemacaw
Not arguing = not listening imo. I really don't understand how you can disagree. There are already tons of restrictions on abortions.
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
Your own title proves that this isn't entirely true...
FatForYou
If you wanna stop abortions change people's minds. Don't try and change laws to force them into something.
PureTechnicality
I've gotten into the pro-life/pro-choice debate with my family recently. They're really only pro-birth and think I'm pro-death.
castlemacaw
Some people see life under a religious black and white and it's literally a waste of time taking to them, but it's painful not to try.
Cheomesh
Sounds familiar
RageCuddles
I think of people like that as "anti-choice".
BentPlanet
what about the female fetuses being aborted?
adventureanna
If you're worried that your daughters are going to go out and be irresponsible, teach them responsibility, don't lock them up.
MississippiGirl
If parents trusted their parenting skills/abilities/whatever then we wouldnt have "helicopter parents" or parents that shelter their kids
TeardropIvy25
And sons... girls don't get pregnant by themselves anymore. Not since you know who
nigglemaster
Thanks Obama.
Larkos
Doesn't make sense why Christians blame women then. Mary was a good girl who had no extra-marital sex and she still got pregnant.
nigglemaster
Thanks Obama.
RaisinZetaJones
1/Countries that have an open and honest relationship with sex have less teen sex (nobody's fucking to break taboo) and less teen pregnancy.
RaisinZetaJones
2/ You want your hormonal kids to be responsible, a whole lot of "hey, this is how we all got here, here's the risks" goes a looong way.
RageCuddles
In Scotland we had sex ed every year in school since the age of 9. I don't get why in the US they refuse to teach it in some schools.
Falanxzealot
The 'Christian' Right.
MarvaNipp
That's why I'm pro choice. Nobody likes abortion, but it's better that it comes from a doctor instead of a coat hanger.
rainbowabsolutglass
Speak for yourself. I love abortion.
RangersApprentice
So, are you also pro murder?
IreallyMGur
I hate the fake term: partial-birth abortions - it's not a medical term but used by many pro-lifers. They ONLY occur for non-viable fetuses
IreallyMGur
There is a state where they don't have $ for public defendera but they will assign a lawyer to represent an unborn fetus against the mother
Veggisaurus
The people who started that should have been aborted.
tumblrcansuckmybum
That is horrifying.
lawlysmoke
^Catholic here, I really wanted to adopt this stance, but my husband likened it to: Some men are going to want to marry underage girls 1/2
lawlysmoke
no matter what, so we might as well legalize underage marriage so that it's safer. Really gave me perspective on why that doesn't work. 2/2
Occasionalfunnycomment
When compared to a pedo marrying an underage girl
lawlysmoke
I realize this thought process isn't great, so I posted in the hopes that other folks might have some thoughts. Thanks!
Occasionalfunnycomment
100% understand there is a fallacy but this is closer to some women were forced into the marriage and now need to legalize divorce
gerdygerdygerdy
Okay let's put it this way. Women are going to kill their children no matter what. I'd rather the child die at the hands of a doctor than
gerdygerdygerdy
The end of a coat hanger.
carebearsandstares
False dichotomy. How about being responsible with your life? Just because you get drunk doesn't mean killing by drinking & driving is okay.
dashers
Most developed nations have a policy of mums having greater rights than unborn. Hopefully America will catch up sooner rather than later.
Cheomesh
Er, we do have those policies.
rubmymanclit
In a majority of red states access is seriously limited.
Cheomesh
Yeah :(
flarflarf
data point: my mom got an abortion after I was born because dad had left and she couldn't raise TWO kids all on her own.
flarflarf
it was before roe-v-wade and she couldn't afford to travel to where it was legal. She got a back alley abortion and she was never well after
flarflarf
she had constant problems with excessive blood loss during her period, to the point where she couldn't stand w/o fainting.
flarflarf
it's not some weird thing that only happened to a few people. It happened ALL THE TIME. Keep abortion legal.
ramenbrothersandsisters
Jesus, I'm sorry your mom had to go through that. This is the way things used to go all the time. §
ramenbrothersandsisters
There's a Finnish novel about a woman having to get an abortion in the 1930's called "The Usual Story". The title says it all.
thatsaboldmove101
According to freakonomics, Roe v. Wade is also correlated with the substantial drop in crime rates
keyserv
In this day and age we're still telling other people what to do when it is no concern of ours.
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
Murder is something of a concern, or so say some people
keyserv
What do you say?
Imnotu
So I guess someone murdering you or a loved one is cool. Because no one has the right to tell them to stop. Got it.
keyserv
You wanna help raise this unborn child?
Aelinsaar
lol
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
An independent, thinking person is not the same as a fetus that may or may not survive under the best case scenario. Its not nice, but it
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
isn't your business either.
Poopoopeepeevagina
So that's what you got out of this...
YoureAllFarTooHilarious
Here. I got this to help you out: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/analogy
Rayxzerox
The rights of one person end where it infringes on the right of another.
TechLeague
Unless they are a baby that can't speak for itself yet right?
Rayxzerox
A fetus is not a baby, but semantics aside that is why there are limits on how late, barring a life-threatening complication. Potential 1/2
Rayxzerox
human life does not count as a human. 2/2
redsalmon
The point of the post is that abortions happened before Roe. They happened in back alleys with coat hangers, though. Because women/1
redsalmon
who were raped, or survived abuse or incest had no options. If you are pro life, are you pro-birth control?
AluminiumFalcon
But Jesus says were supposed to have these babies.
DoctorPitt
That was before the planet was going 7 billion strong.
imaginedear
Preach it!
keyserv
People on imgur can't take a joke. Sorry.
imaginedear
No he didn't. (site verse) and God himself aborted a few.
AluminiumFalcon
I was being sarcastic.
imaginedear
I know you were
imaginedear
I wasalong a point to the people who do believe that
RepostSadistic
Legal yes. Safe, yes. Rare, no. More than a million abortions a year. Not exactly rare.
BuffyFan1900
Sadly,Planned P.hood, which could prevent far more abortions per year, has been hamstrung by idiot pro-lifers who increase the abortion rate
partyczar
Statistically, of all the adult women over 18 in the USA, only .63% of them will have one in a year. Is that rare or not?
RepostSadistic
Put it this way: there have been about 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade. That is more than 10% of US population. Is that rare or not?
partyczar
That's 40 mil people who were unwanted. That's 40 mil humans who would have been deprived any number of privileges wanted children receive.
partyczar
A percentage were of rape/incest. A percentage would have killed the mother. A percentage would have been chronically ill.
partyczar
I don't know... but they didn't make it. Death has ALWAYS been a part of life.
RepostSadistic
Did I say anything against abortion? I only questioned 'rare'.
MississippiGirl
This Christian pro-lifer agrees.. I don't believe in prohibition. I believe prohibition of anything creates a black (& in this case 1/2)
mallywanders
I'm a Mormon who believes abortion can have its place while being prolife, pro welfare, and pro health care, as well as supporting
mallywanders
The right for gay couples to adopt. Abortion in case of rape, danger to the mothers physical or mental health, dead fetus, or similar
RageCuddles
Thanks for being open minded. I'm pro choice but they would hardly ever be needed with open/easy/cheap access to birth control.
mallywanders
Situations should be legal everywhere. To decrease the demand for abortion, we should make birth control free, let gay couples adopt (I have
mallywanders
Researched enough peer reviewed articles on the subject to agree that it has no negative impact), fix up adoption and the foster system,
mallywanders
Health care should be free, especially for maternity and children, and the welfare system should be attended to. Oh, and sex ed should be
FuckKnows
That's an unfortunate place to split that sentence.
MississippiGirl
I know. I blame imgur for 140 character count
FuckKnows
140 character counts also creates a black.
MississippiGirl
Hahaha never thought a comment on an abortion post would make me smile. +1
FuckKnows
You know what they say about preconceptions...
MississippiGirl
a dangerous) market for whatever is prohibited. Live & let live and love one another as you love YOURSELF
kittykat
So you're pro-choice?
MississippiGirl
Politically yes. I wont force my personal beliefs on anyone. But personally, no.
Thebaneofmyexistence
SAME! I would rather see life preserved, but I will damned if the government meddles into the private affairs of a woman's body.
MississippiGirl
I agree. I dont think any1 should force their beliefs or opinions on others; or be judged by others for decisions that doesnt affect others
Carefuler
Rape, thief, assault, murder? Any of those?
nosoupforoldmen
This comment went in a totally different direction than I thought it would.
IreallyMGur
I hate the fake term: partial-birth abortions - it's not a medical term but used by many pro-lifers. They ONLY occur for non-viable fetuses
colbyku3
https://youtu.be/dhtphabTpIs
override367
But Donald Trump said they're literally murdering babies a day before they're supposed to be born!
flippywizgig
Dunno why you were downvoted, that's basically what he said.
IreallyMGur
I mean, these are horrible situations where the parents want to keep the baby but can't which is brutally painful already
IreallyMGur
What really pisses me off is when none of the news folks correct any of the pundits or surrogates when they repeat that term
override367
My mom lost a baby before I was born, it would have been her only girl, a few weeks before her due date. She couldn't finish the debate
override367
Trump saying shit like that I'm just glad she didn't throw something at her TV and break it
colbyku3
Only? You mean typically or it's literally an illegal practice unless the fetus is dead or will die?
IreallyMGur
ONLY, it's infanticide 2 perform abortions on completely healthy feti that close to birth. Only used when fetus won't live or Mom could die
lonelyspacemeatball
In most places it's illegal as far as I know. Even if it wasn't, most pregnancies that have gone on that long are wanted pregnancies (1/2)
lonelyspacemeatball
Also, the ban on partial birth abortion has been instrumental in denying parents of wanted, unviable pregnancies closure. (3/2)
lonelyspacemeatball
and the procedure is only necessary in the case of health risks, congenital defects or miscarriage. (2/2)
javierjabanero1
That's... That's not pro-life tho...
MississippiGirl
You can be personally pro-life w/o being politically pro-life. I wont force my beliefs on anyone. I even encourage my kids to soul search1/2
javierjabanero1
Fair enough, but in my experience the terms "pro-choice/life" have been reserved exclusively for describing position on political policy.
MississippiGirl
I can understand that but we'll have to agree to disagree at most. My motto is live & let live & to love 1 another as u love yourself
canibFrank
This is awesome. prob more like what Christ would have said than most of this argument.
MississippiGirl
& to have their own beliefs. Last thing I want is them believing something solely bcuz I told them. I want them to question everything & 2/3
MississippiGirl
To form their OWN opinions and believe what makes sense to them & makes them happy, productive citizens 3/3
Sindritec
Did you know that falling crime rates in the 1990s was linked to legalizing abortions in the 70s-80s?
hepcat10
Someone's been reading Freakonomics.
rubmymanclit
Seems like correlation not causation, but it sounds like an interesting idea.
HeyItsHerrTrigger
ehhhhhh. .
Sakkura
It's still only a hypothesis. But an intriguing one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
HessianGhost
Thanks, Abortion Clown.
Sindritec
Abortion Clown?
HessianGhost
KiltedinSeattle
Well, in back alleys, anyway. Women sometimes still die or have other severe complications from this procedure (both physical & mental).
FishOnTheInternetz
The mental ones come from the judgement and pressure from "pro-lifers". They are hurtful.
SuzieFantastik
Still less death than normal birth so...
BuffyFan1900
A shot of penicilian is more dangerous than a first trimester abortion, FWIW
KiltedinSeattle
I haven't ever seen a shot of penicillin perforate a uterus before, but personally know of a suction device that did to someone I know.
BuffyFan1900
Well, you're anecdotal experience clearly trumps actual science and statistics.
KiltedinSeattle
Yes- if you are allergic to penicillin it would be. However that is a straw man argument and does nothing to negate the truth that 1/2
KiltedinSeattle
2/2 there can be grave medical issues from a woman undergoing an abortion. I'm not anti-abortion, by the way. I am pro-informed consent.
redsalmon
I have never been able to process being anti-abortion AND anti birth-control. Does not seem internally consistent/intellectually honest.
flarflarf
it's because of this: http://i1.wp.com/www.amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/pro-life-belief-chart.png?resize=575%2C1330
irealtubs
I think some of it has to do with the way certain birth control operate. Allowing the sperm and egg to fertilize but not nestle.
crustypotatoes
Because christians want to push chastity on the masses when it's incredibly impractical and down right assinine.
GreaterDog
Mostly religiously motivated, that sex is for procreation and not pleasure and that anyone who didn't get pregnant from sex deserved to.
Greeneyeddevil
Many pro lifers don't understand how birth control works so think it causes abortions as well.
ohnoofcourseyourright
When sensible ppl talk this issues out without politicians and news outlets as source but just logic They usually agree I've found.
pipedreamer57
Don't forget they also tend to be anti-sex ed - y'know, just to get the trifecta of stupid.
hitshappens
It's a bunch of dudes who want all women to be abstinent, yet want to pay prostitutes to fuck their brains out. What's not to understand?
override367
I have a handy chart that explains it
redsalmon
This is awesome. What is this from?
milkdude
Also not common.
anotherdickat
Too common.
WhitePhoenix
It's consistent if you believe in the religious idea that you shouldn't have sex before marriage. i.e. It's fucking stupid.
HereticsAllOfYou
That's not just a religious idea.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Stems from religious ideas.
TheodoreWitchfucker
I guess you could say that it stems from religious views though.
ThatGuyVinny
A person that has that view tends to also want no one to have sex outside of the sole purpose of reproduction within marriage
BilldeTurlock
Your intuition serves you well.
Greeneyeddevil
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html this is an interesting read
redsalmon
Wow. That is cogent and well written. Astonishing to find it here. :) Thanks for sharing it here.
Greeneyeddevil
You're welcome! it really opened my eyes to what a lot of pro lifers are being told, helped me talk to them differently.
SaintMaceToTheFace
The point is if you aren't sleeping around 9/10 times you wouldn't need one to begun with.
crustypotatoes
Your stupidity is giving me a headache.
anotherdickat
One word. Puritans.
Kidiri
Every sperm is sacred!
StandingOutsideABrokenPhoneBoothWithMoneyInMyHand
Every sperm is great!
SmellyPotatoMan
If a sperm is wasted...
Koshunae
If a sperm makes it outside, its never a waste.
bladderinfection
Yeah, well, still...god gets quite irate.
thegarlicawakens
Why does life begin at conception yet our lives are not celebrated until the anniversary of being shat out of our mum's womb?
TheRighteousWhizbang
Seek greater understanding of your political opposition? Also most conservatives are cool with BC as long as you don't give it to their kids
HPWombat
"People need to be responsible for their actions, and sex is something people need to take more seriously" - my religious family
SaintMaceToTheFace
I agree with that
SpencerAssiff
The thing I never understood is the mindset of heavy handed punishment for human error. You made a mistake and had sex with out BC? 1/2
SpencerAssiff
2/2 You deserve to raise a child now and essentially ruin not only your own life through massive financial burden, but also your child's.
stupidstray
Most wouldnt endorse you keeping the kid if you weren't a fit parent- they'd advocate adoption. And the biggest thing is that they (1/2)
stupidstray
Literally believe abortion murders a child and that birth control is... Like... A form of that? Hard to explain in a comment. Point is (2/3)
IreallyMGur
I hate the fake term: partial-birth abortions - it's not a medical term but used by many pro-lifers. They ONLY occur for non-viable fetuses
UncomfortableTruths
It's not that complicated. Some folks don't want women being completely free to live their own lives. Some folk are just like that.
RedroverRedrover
Religion. Isn't it wonderful?
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Pawnderlust
Condoms ARE a form of birth control.
TweakerTheBarbarian
I think they both come from a religious view that conception is a divine gift.
imaginedear
Feel that way all you want. Don't mandate others religious feelings.
crackedatlas
God people are stupid.
SmellyPotatoMan
Indeed, God people.
crackedatlas
this guy gets it.
Huor
BECAUSE JESUS MUHFUKUH
imaginedear
Jesus didn't say a word about abortion. God actually did it several times.
LilSis061016
My bigger one is anti-abortion and anti-welfare. Why does a fetus have more value than a child?
HereticsAllOfYou
I agree. That's why I joined the American Solidarity Party.
ZeroZeta
One I hate "pro-life" "pro-family", where a pregnant mother will die due to pregnancy complications, leaving a single dad and any other kids
LilSis061016
Yup, or forcing a rape victim to carry her attacker's child. I don't agree with it as birth control, but 100% bans are cruel on many levels.
Maggiemypet
All of this +1
Flyndaran
If you believe fetuses are babies, why do the lives of those whose fathers were criminals matter less. That's grotesque.
LilSis061016
I never said I did (I have a specific opinion on this that won't fit here), and bc it isn't that simple. Why should a woman have to carry 1/
SurfHill
Very few feel that an exemption for rape should not exist.
LilSis061016
Most "pro-life" supporters I know or have listened to support total bans, no exceptions (ex. the Catholic church) even medical necessity.
Slagathor69
May I ask what you mean by using abortion as birth control?
BCEQT
Some people don't use BC or condoms and just go at it, then get abortions when they get pregnant. It's stupid, but stupid happens
MississippiGirl
I agree. My friend who has went thru over 45 foster homes agrees also.
LilSis061016
It's just so very sad; those poor kids. One day, I hope to be able to adopt at least one child.
MississippiGirl
Same here. Her biological parents left her at 12 & she was abused beyond imagination & is still pro life so that's another reason I am. 1/2
MississippiGirl
If I could foster a child, I would. I just don't have the room or finances :( but like she told me, a shitty life is better than no life :/
worldsokayestspeler
Hell part of the reason im pro choice is because im anti welfare. Part of the reason. That and bodily autonomy
milkdude
Why do you think welfare needs reform? You shouldn't get more from taxpayers just because your dumb ass had a kid you can't afford.
LilSis061016
It's not always that the parents can't afford it. It could be medically needed, or bc of rape, or maybe full-term baby is given up for 1/
LilSis061016
adoption, and therefore in an under-funded welfare system lacking interest from the general population. Those kids don't deserve that. 2/
LilSis061016
And even if it was that they couldn't afford it, you'd let kids starve or have no clothes bc their parents fucked up? How very cruel. 3/3
MississippiGirl
It's like no 1 thinks of parents giving up a grown child (not a baby or a toddler) but it happens more often than they think
LilSis061016
A child is a child for 18 yrs, and should be protected/supported that entire time, even if by the state when parents can't/don't.
therealgiraffe
So the kid should suffer because of their parents?
MississippiGirl
A shitty life is better than no life. At least w/ a shitty life, u got a chance to make a better life. Most adults that realize how close1/2
MississippiGirl
They were to being aborted are very grateful for their "shitty life". I have a friend who was given up @ 12 & abused horribly but is prolife
therealgiraffe
I really think you're proving the point that some prolife people don't care at all about what happens to children who ARE born.
SteveHarringtonBabysittingServices
THIS. I had this argument with my really Christian mother in law who hates both abortions and welfare. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Thornaxe
They want "fallen" women that they can feel superior to. It makes sense when viewed through this disgusting context.
Carefuler
Sure you can. It's the You should take care of yourself, without hurting other human beings band wagon. You need someone to take care of u?
LilSis061016
Free healthcare, love the poor and sick, do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Jesus was a socialist. :P
SteveHarringtonBabysittingServices
Yeah. Try telling them that. Love thy neighbour*. Disclaimer: not if they're gay, any other ethnicity, different in anyway, etc haha. Sigh.
MississippiGirl
Tbh I'm Christian & cant stand most bcuz it's like they didn't even read Jesus's teachings. Plus, I've met too many that believe Jesus 1/2
MississippiGirl
Ugh. I dont even try to argue w/ other Christians who believe like this bcuz it's just not Christian-like beliefs. Or anti-birth control ppl
EvenStevensEvenSemen
There's a lot to unpack in the fallacies wrong in your statement
Stefanlogi24
Then, by all means, unpack
ronkooby
Yeah, we're waiting
EzraFell
Then please expound good sir.
EvenStevensEvenSemen
Well most arguments against wellfare aren't "fuck em they're poor", it's more about people becoming dependent and becoming societal drains
LilSis061016
It's also not just food stamps, etc.; it's the foster system, too. People want babies to be adopted, but don't want to support foster care.
LilSis061016
True, but most users don't abuse the system, and forcing people to have kids they don't want and can't support doesn't help.
TGWeaver
Statistically most people on welfare have jobs and do contribute to society.
LilSis061016
My sister's family was on food stamps and kids on medicare while my BIL got his PhD. Now he makes 100K+ and more than covers what they used.
godskook
Most pro-life people are prolife because we believe the fetus is a human being. Doing things to actively kill innocent humans is bad right?
Flyndaran
Your side is horribly anti-science and logic. Can't use evidence to argue you out of a position that wasn't chosen with logic. :(
godskook
A fetus is an individualized entity from its Mother. Again, DNA testing proves this. 4/4
Carefuler
"Can't use logic because my argument has none" fify.
godskook
A fetus is alive, y'know, not dead. Its a living growing organism. 3/4
godskook
A fetus is human, we know this by looking at its DNA. It has human DNA. Its not a squirrel, its a human. 2/4
godskook
A fetus is A)Human, B)Alive, and C)An individual distinct from the mother. 1/4
cuddlesaur
Yeah but are you also anti-birth control? I think that was the point this comment was going for.
godskook
Personally, depends on the birth control method. Pills ok, plan B isn't. Otoh, I don't find the anti-birth-control position conflicting.
cuddlesaur
There's just a lot of literature out there that shows a strong decline of abortion rates when birth control (pills) and proper sex ed (1/2)
cuddlesaur
are offered but a lot of the pro-life movement is also anti birth control and pro abstinence only sex ed. (2/2)
godskook
Also, people who are anti-both tend to also be strong believers in the idea of man-woman lifetime marriage. 1/2
godskook
Birth control just isn't as useful a tool within that environment as it is in the more frivolous relationships common today 2/2
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Consistent if you're also anti-sex.
BalfMalark
I'm anti-sex. Not by choice though
HereticsAllOfYou
Or if you just do not want to disconnect sex from procreation and human life.
imaginedear
Only if you are anti sex which is pretty anti human if you ask me.
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Major religions would disagree with you. I suppose I should amend my previous statement to "anti-sex for pleasure."
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
They believe the purpose of sex is procreation, and only procreation.
draco91
Sucks to be them.
imaginedear
so sad to be them
Koshunae
Humans are destroying the world 2016
imaginedear
That's why we need fewer of them.
HereticsAllOfYou
Read Humanae Vitae, a papal encyclical explaining why the Catholic Church has the stance it does.
imaginedear
Not Catholic. Basing a law on your religious dogma is not constitutional. Follow if you want. Leave me out of it.
lobstasalad9095
I understood your reference, however, I appear to have divorced the Catholic Church. "Recovering Catholic"
thepilgrimpoet
Wow I never thought I would see "Humanae Vitae" on imgur. Go you!
KRicci
I'm not willing to take advice about reproduction from a group of people who pledged never to reproduce themselves.
apresminuit
nice bigotry you got there. do you want your anti-Catholicism with a side of anti-Semitism?
KRicci
My family is Catholic.
thelazyninja
and then molested children and lied about it.
stupidstray
I mean whether or not you agree with it (I don't) it's a good idea to know why people think the way they do. Most of the pro-choice (1/?)
stupidstray
Arguments I see online would never change a Christians mind because they don't address a Christian's concerns about abortion. (2/2)
KRicci
This is very true. It's always worthwhile to try and understand an opponent's position.