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TrijezniMujo
Umm to be honest I liked more of the client stuff
TachyonCode
It's more about delivering what the client *said* they wanted, when they apparently didn't understand what their own words meant.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
To be fair, a designer probably does his job because of money too. Homeless is not a fashion trend... Yet.
BreadyStinellis
"I give you...DERELICT!"
craggyp
the client doesn't have the designer's experience with design. the designer doesn't have the client's experience with running a business.
Niphanos
I don't think that they're saying either viewpoint is bad, just that there's a difference.
spicypiggy
As someone who works in the print industry. Yes.
wrackspurts
Oh my goodness it's almost like they have totally different professions and skills!
lucillethelooseseal
Can you make it warmer but more blue?
photographiks
Don't fool yourselves. Most designers do not take their own photos.
idontevenskate
Bigger studios, if they have the budget, usually outsource to professional photographers
skirtsanddesserts
Thank you for saying this. I use libraries and graphic sites that I pay a lot of money for. Nobody has time for pics
BaconPotato
Freepik helps a lot also.
ThisIsTheBestUsernameEver
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Junktrunkjunkie
I prefer not to use photos I like to illustrate my own vector art.... If my client lets me get away with it.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
The items are about "ideals". The designer would like to order custom photo shoot to get the perfect photo for "their" project.
OriginalSyn
Yea I was thinking that should be a search bar of istock/shutterstock/etc
Maballanes
If you're good at Photoshop you can even remove the watermarks. And considering no one pays for Ps... Win-Win
OriginalSyn
I used to work for istock, be careful with that they have really good reverse image searching tools and lawyers will come a calling.
CrazyCatLad
As a 3D modeler, jokes on you! I render my own images.
Excel1337
Do you make your own textures?
CrazyCatLad
Nah, but I do customize them in Keyshot
TachyonCode
"Where do you get your ideas?"
CH3CK50UT
#5 should be reversed
beeratius
If you use up 80% of the screen for useless whitespace I will personally come to your house and murder you in your sleep
schrodingerscatfood
Ah, but we're not talking about useless whitespace, but functional white. Which doesn't have to be white.
InvidiousSquid
You have my sword.
spookhook
Bad clients are like the people who go to doctors having already diagnosed themselves as having cancer and prescribing chemo.
spookhook
Despite being perfectly healthy or just having a cold.
CrazyCatLad
Saw this in a porno once! It was legit the plotline. Wish I was joking. (Karlie Montana as doctor)
vehkiya
What's with the hate on Excel? It's a very powerful tool. You can also write and execute advanced code in it.
reposthaterdeluxe
Excel is great, but not for graphicdesign. Its like painting with a screwdriver.
MaxiGamer
Well, I learned how to use Excel to make interactive PDF forms in computer graphics design class, so I would not say it's not fit for that.
LapisScarab
The the clients could already do everything designers do they wouldn't bother hiring designers. I don't get the point of this.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
It's about different "ideals". A (random) client cannot do what a designer can and would surely end up in different places (end result).
NerdN1
The issue is that the client believes that they know more than they do and will give parameters that aren't good design. >>
Frederf
"I want the website to feel smooth and dynamic like this one." "Let me pick the font, color scheme and layout though." "No your design bad."
NerdN1
In an extreme analogy, it would be like hiring an engineer to make a car, but insisting that the wheels be square.
electricgoldfish
"Make it pretty" is never a good design note.
ninmonkey
In general it's a play on "the client thinks he knows what he wants, but he's actually wrong".
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
or.. the client knows what he wants, but "me" the designer thinks i am better than him, just give the paying client what he wants.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
or.. the client knows what he wants, but "me" the designer thinks i am better than him, just give the paying client what he wants.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
When the designer pays for it, he can do what ever the hell he wants.
PineappleSlam
BunniesLair
So true. Speaking from the Client side of things. When I say I want color.. I do not want muted pastels.. Give me FUCKING COLOR.
WelcomeAboard
And some lens flares! And some funny illustrations from the 80's! And some moving lines of text!
indoorliving
The words you need to use are BRIGHT and SATURATED, not just COLOR. There billions of colors...those include muted pastels.
TheDreaded1
"Let's try a light green?" "You mean a pastel green?" "No, like lime." "So you want BRIGHT green, not LIGHT green?" "Same thing, right?"
xenryusho
Thats weird, you understood what he was talking about without him needing to say bright or saturated. How did you do that? Hmmm.
indoorliving
Because he said he didn't want muted pastels in his comment...process of elimination ^_^
lefishfish
If your perspective is that clients have poor taste and make bad decisions, then what does it say that they hired you?
MustardHeadmaster
What's up with the photoshop hat?
gribblet
Yes, please explain... For a friend.
TheBlackThorn3
Photoshop magic is my interpretation.
Skankhunt46
I am both and I can confirm I HATE MYSELF
JudgeRhymehold
Now try to do their job and compare the finished products
GrumpyAvatar
Damn right!
ElmurFud
I have 2 graphics design degrees. I HATE muted color palettes. I vomit on vanilla Fallout 4 graphics...and then I customize my game.
TheDreaded1
Bit of a tangent: I swear one of my colleagues is tetrachromatic. She can see color variation that just ARE NOT THERE. Weird, but awesome.
WelcomeAboard
And then you tip your fedora?
ElmurFud
I didn't down-vote you. Though it seems an odd (and incorrect) assumption that anything I said would imply anything about my fashion sense.
StrangelyCalm
I just built my first piece of software. An AR app for med students. The client was a student and every step of the way was iterative 1/3
StrangelyCalm
Agile and continually improved upon, it was glorious. There were *issues* raised because the student couldn't be the client apparently 2/3
StrangelyCalm
And as soon as the old fucks got their hands on it being the client it became exactly like this. No you cant use 3 different color palletes!
Paul567
Generational thing for sure, but also you weren't doing the iterative development with the actual clients which was probably your problem.
EvidenceBasedPractice
I don't understand any of this
NerdN1
Designer knows the nuanced principles of design at the lowest level, which the client is both ignorant and has different priorities.
Elroydb
An uncouth design that adds to the client's bottom line looks FAR better in a portfolio than unsuccessful good designs
MisterSausage
It's better for the client to be ignorant of the design process than for the designer to be ignorant of the client's needs.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
if the designer is paying for it, he can do what ever he wants, if the client is paying for it, the designer better do what the client wants
triflersNeedNot
Congrats on being a client
ZombieZooZombieZoo
designer designs, client doesn't like it
CuteGoblin
Client wants eye-searing garbage. Designer wants Twoo Art. Both are assholes.
LemursForThePeople
twoo?
EvidenceBasedPractice
ah gotcha
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
well if the client, who is paying for it, wants something, he should get what he wants, not what the designer wants
RayMC
True, but he should trust the designer on what LOOKS better.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
yeah that's true, but completely different situation, then he is paying the designer to do what he wants.
acme64
often times the client will come up with hot garbage, wonders why it failed, then blame the designer
craftcraft
Di anyone else just say "designer, client, designer, client" over and over?
ForTheLoveOfTalosShutUpAndLetsGetThisOverWith
Yuuuuup
ImJustASalad
marcusosappus
yep
CrazyCatLad
Can't turn off my subconscious reading mechamibobjing in my brainpiece.
Elconquesodor
Like Jack Handy with Good Idea, Bad Idea
thenotoriousginger
Panda. Panda panda panda
DonDraperSC
Credit- @Teacakesandcrumpets
TeaCakesandCrumpets
This deserves more credit
DonDraperSC
This credit deserves more credit
kerms
Woah we must be like some elite group of unique individuals with this "reading things in our head" thing
ManualWindowedSubmarine
No, but I thought it.
DingoMatt
"Template." "Hello." "Response." "Hello."
spx39
sk8rjess
Designer. Developer. Designer. Client.
ErikForman
Developers developers developers developers developers........
mridontgiveafuck
I still hear the voice in my head ("designer, cliente, designer, cliente")
idownvoteplottwist
Good Idea | Bad Idea
aShogunNamedMarcus
Stupid clients, wanting bullshit like return on investment
R4NDP4UL
ROI: Radio on Internet
chrisjfinlay
Unrelated but, uh. I thought it was boring in Jordan. Can I come out to you for a day?
grovberg
Nowhere in this does it say the client is wrong—their priorities are just different. A good designer has to remember this.
tep4
how dare they! we all know when running a buisness, what realy matters is color choice
MrMayberry
The fact that you don't seem to understand how design affects marketing, branding, & sales leads me to believe you know shit about business.
tep4
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
This isn't about running a business, it's about commissioning someone to design for you. And logos and color do actually boost image &sales.
GrumpyAvatar
I'm a Graphic Design Undergraduate, and I have worked with only a couple of clients so far, but I understand the point OP is trying to say.
lily10110
Exactly. A bright yellow and bright red together can deter people away from the site. Why? Cause it fucking burns their eyes.
rophiandis
And the proper color choice is apparently drab and washed out like we live in a Zack Snyder movie
EveryoneDownVotesMyEverything
It's called subtlety. You're looking at loads of it just by being on imgur
NiHZ
Opposed to those over saturated colours from a default palette, yes.
SerialChillinSpree
I know right, what was google thinking.
NiHZ
Don't get me wrong, it works sometimes. Just not very often.
RedroverRedrover
And designers aren't perfect either. I work in software dev and I work closely with the designers, but I also understand the customers, /1
uhhMurdok
The client is also paying for it. Fair to deduce their opinion should matter.
RedroverRedrover
the requirements, and the technology better than the designers do. Good design is a group effort, you need to be able to give the /2
RedroverRedrover
designer feedback without them getting all bitchy. If one of our designers displayed the attitude I see here, they'd soon be out of a /3
RedroverRedrover
job. We take design very seriously in my company. A designer who doesn't see themselves as part of a team where we all have valuable /4
RedroverRedrover
input doesn't belong. And is unprofessional. /5
GQBound
This animosity would be alleviated if more designers learned how to explain their rationale better to clients, instead of being indignant.
Robvp
But being bitchy and condescending works sooo much better
moraismeep
There are bad and good on both sides. Bad is someone that expects you to mind-read what the fuck they mean. Ex: Did a project for a client
moraismeep
that wanted a logo for a line of bees-wax candles. She says "hey do whatever you want just bring me a sketch" so me and my gal Friday
moraismeep
working on the project said "sure! No prob" we had at least 20 drafts for her to play with. She liked 0 of them, gave no feedback until
moraismeep
prompted further and she said "I need to see something more finished" meaning she wanted it colored and inked so we went with the base
dpidcoe
and also if more understood the difference design choices that are subjective and design choices that are objectively good/bad.
user82650
And stop falling for bullshit design trends like "everything flat and low contrast".
MrMayberry
As someone who has spent a SIGNIFICANT amount of time studying design...what would you categorize as subjective vs. objective?
dpidcoe
If you've spent enough time studying design to warrant an all caps significant, then you should already have a good idea. Anything that 1/2
dpidcoe
affects the usability/readability significantly (e.g. super low contrast/headache inducing) is going to fall under the objective category2/2
MrMayberry
Any good designer will echo my sentiment, that it ALL matters. From the Type to Figure/Ground, color, form, texture...the market it's in etc
FigurativeGarbage
If clients were so smart, why'd they make the Y-axis time?
ularg
OP just proves designers dont need paid because they fuel themselves with happy thoughts.
MrMayberry
If you, as a client, don't understand the connection between what I design and the service or product you offer, don't hire me.
IsThisADog
Both come with various sticks rooted in anal cavaties
Stostri
I think this is more about letting professionals you hire do the work that you hired them to do, and keeping your own 'expertise' out of it.
apolloin
Note that you did not hire them to win an award for designing your website. You hired them to improve sales.
poochyena
uhh, I think I understand what I want for my business more than some random designer.
Stostri
Not the point I'm making.
poochyena
you are implying that the client shouldn't change what the designer does, right?
Stostri
Within reason. Obviously the designer needs direction, but undermining best practices tends towards an inferior product.
HypnoChanger
Designers may know how to design better than you; but they don't know your business like you do. One random designers artistic vision 1/
stygyan
Thing is, most of what we hear is "make the logo bigger" or "put that funny font, comic sans".
HypnoChanger
may not match what your company wants to portray. Communication is part of the process, not an obstacle to it.
TachyonCode
Unfortunately, most clients are bad at communication, which is why this post exists to begin with.
TachyonCode
4) A good designer is like a good teacher: they can explain, clearly, what their choices reflect, to the customer, without offense.
TachyonCode
3) Otherwise, interpreting what one client wants can be completely different from doing the same for another client.
TachyonCode
2) Not to say none of the blame for that can be put on the designer, but it helps for both parties to speak a common language first.
Stostri
But my point wasn't to have no opinion, it was that insisting upon ignoring all best practices is idiotic. Which the image is about.
TachyonCode
5) The problem is when the client is stubborn and refuses to make an effort to digest that information.
seqouia
If you're not successful enough to choose your clients, you're not successful enough to bitch about who pays you
Stostri
Given that these types of clients typically try to do everything in their power to avoid paying designers at all, yes they fucking can.
seqouia
Have fun working for Starbucks!
Stostri
http://clientsfromhell.net/post/151054479051/i-was-making-a-website-for-a-small-computer-repair
Stostri
"Wait, I have to PAY you for designs? I thought you just did this for FUN!"
WarPatron
Would you hire an architect to design a house for you and not have consideration for what you wanted?
Lilly64
For the most part, I want him to make what I say. But if what I say is a terrible idea, I'd like to be corrected
Stostri
There's a difference between consideration and insisting on something fundamentally broken or garish. The client never knows the difference.
WarPatron
If the client wants garnish give the client garnish. The designer is payed to create what the client wants not to give what he or she wants.
Sterconigrak
Damn straight. If I want six pounds of parsley on that plate I better fuckin get it.
p75369
There's a difference between "I want a conservatory" and "make the roof out of cardboard" (follewed by "your roof is leaking!") though.
WarPatron
This is more like asking for renaissance columns on a gothic structure than a structural flaw.
1metalnation
When you want conflicting ideas that are impossible to do, yeah you should trust the professional
craggyp
but none of these ideas are conflicting, some are just dumber. but if you're EMPLOYED and asked to make some changes, you DO IT.
1metalnation
That's terrible advice, to use your architect example, if I ask him to build a house that will literally collapse and kill me with the 1/?
EhmJean
If someone wants a really shitty design it's got my name on it. Word of mouth is really important and if other potential clients see
TachyonCode
An artist who values the integrity of their art produced for hire is no graphic designer.
EhmJean
That, they dont know it was the customers shitty decision, only my name.
iShouldBeWorking42
It's hard to explain that something that feels better will result in a better reaction from customers and thus more sales
reptim
This was written by a novice designer. The "fuel" for a senior designer is the opportunity of brand building and improving user experience.
TachyonCode
Let me translate: fuel = money + exposure + responding to statistical/review-based feedback.
motherfuckingjesuschrist
"This job would be great if it wasn't for the fucking customers."
TacoPrime
Stupid Designer not knowing how to do work for people hiring them.
tyfi91
Can you do it for exposure?
zerothoughtgiven
You mean your having a logo contest and I can submit my entry and the winner will be tons of likes and recognition? sign me up.
TygrF
GTFO...
wimau
This post feels incredibly pretentious. Your clients are the only reason you have work as a designer.
motherfuckingjesuschrist
This job would be great if it wasn't for the fucking customers.
TachyonCode
It may feel pretentious, but this is the basic reason communications classes exist.
Robvp
You can communicate without being pretentious and condescending, it might even lead to more business
TachyonCode
And generally speaking, even those who complain about this very problem wait until they're out of their client's earshot to do so.
RoboGumbo
Customers are the only reason just about any industry exists. Doesn't mean they are above reproach.¹
RoboGumbo
Sometimes they just need to shut up, sit down, and let the person they're specifically hiring for their knowledge/skills do their job.²
TygrF
#6, tho. If you're in for accolades instead of maximizing client's profit, you're gonna have a bad time. Only devout capitalists need apply.
nwreck
Also the graph doesn't make any sense at the sales go back in time. Or the company has non-whole number sales.
ExperimentKraj
I....just figured out what you were talking about.
GlowstickJedi
Graph was obviously made by a designer
LongCommentChainAppreciator
As a scientist: The graph is wrongly constructed. The X-axis is for the thing that is varied, which would be the year, not the sale 1/?
LongCommentChainAppreciator
the x-axis is not even labelled as sales. The Y-axis is for the caused effect. This graph proves time travel is real, since the sales 2/3
LongCommentChainAppreciator
affect the year.
TachyonCode
This is one of the major reasons I feel that the "creative spin" aspect of design oughtta be banned from advertising.
TachyonCode
Essentially, it turns designers' efforts into a tool of exploitation and an obstacle to wisdom.
TachyonCode
Too bad so many people are climbing over each other to be the one to make a living off the backs of unsustainable businesses...
TachyonCode
... or else more of those businesses might have a harder time meeting their budgets, and actually throw in the towel.
giveitagentlesqueege
Comic Sans is the best!
txtmylife
I'm upvoting this just to start some shit. Yay! Comic Sans!
TheDreaded1
Kicks in the door and lays down 4 characters of "Bleeding Cowboy" that take up the whole table.
Lilly64
If you use comic sans, you're going to have a bad time
ghostanom
in high school they wanted me to make a video representing the yr12 class to show to the school so i put it all in comic sans
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
Cal1te
A lecturer at my college uses comic sans in all of his workbooks and slideshows. I'm pretty sure this is why school shootings happen.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
*Bold italic underlined rainbow-colored Comic Sans
jesusisherelookbusy
TygrF
Comic Sans vs Jokerman!
NerdN1
Comic Sans has its niche. A very narrow niche that is primarily jokes about comic sans, but it theoretically has other uses.
delaneige
Elementary schools. It's a child font.
EnByOwl
School teachers teaching preschool and kindergarten. Im okay with it there too. In fact, it can stay there.
giveitagentlesqueege
The company I left 2 months ago had a VP that sent out a memo to the Dev team in all Comic Sans.....it wasn't intended as a joke.
NerdN1
I'm not saying it isn't annoyingly over-used where it isn't appropriate. For a while, wasn't it bizarrely the default font for MS Word?
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
Actual comics, and not much else
hcar
It looks perfectly fine in comics actually
hexer123
that's because it was MADE for use in comics....hence the name.
reux
#1 a shitty designer fails to understand branding and target segments
DarkUranium
Or a shitty designer fails to understand the need for contrast for readability (e.g. gray on white text).
trekkiedane
All good, but the last one almost had me in tears.
TygrF
*uncontrollable eye twitch*
skoam
As someone who uses mainly Open Source software for all of his projects, mocking the choice of software like #3 does annoys me every time.
skoam
Also, you cannot expect your client to be knowledgable in Desktop Publishing programs. Of course he'll use his office software to do stuff.
fifidarlingf
What are some of the open source programs you use?
skoam
For DTP I use a mix of darktable, inkscape, gimp & scribus (so thankful for scribus) and for game development it's some of the above plus /
skoam
blender for 3D, LibreOffice, Openshot and Simplescreenrecorder for trailer-making and vim as a pseudo-IDE for C# in Unity3D (Linux Editor) /
skoam
these are only some examples, but the freedom it gives you is quite a relief. I can understand why someone would want to use Adobe /
skoam
Products but for me personally it couldn't be better. :)
BooksmithCo
Honestly I hate stuff like this, bickering about how horrible clients are just proves you don't know how to manage your clients.
WelcomeAboard
Have you met my fucking clients?
TheDreaded1
I have. "I have no clue what I want, but that's your job. You're the artist, right? Durr hurr hurr."
viskag
omg name your layers!
FlyingGhostAvocado
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
I never do.. but then I use Photoshop like twice a year and never have more than ~5 layers.
gruffgamer
Glad I'm not the only one. Anytime I have to edit someone else's files and it's 15+ unnamed layers, I cringe. And use folders, dammit!
RandAIFlagg
layer1 layer2 layer3 layer4 layer5 pasted_layer layer8 layer6 layer7 layer10
damskivitch
This, every time, this.
hybridjosto
um they have names
BuyMeBoozeAndWaffles
There's Peter, the one over there is Alicia, Dave is on top of Tammy and Carl is at the bottom, again.
KevinChe
...... you have sink into work too much
DeidalosFlg
aint nobody got time fo dat
ayrehead
I have a co worker that does this.... he's the most senior designer *twitch*
KaboobieTheFlyingCamel
Found the designer!
viskag
Developer, actually :) And there's nothing I hate more than when I get handed a PSD with a billion unnamed layers.
Rorlax
Upvote for awareness
stopreportingmemegan
I name them when im done
AngryGraphicDesigner
You tell them!
Compendyum
He gave up at layer 45
Keiliana
I'm bad at never naming layers
drunkbs
My clients usually don't pay me enough to spend the time need to name my layers. They also don't want my psd files.
viskag
Then you're not charging enough! Tell 'em what you're worth man. Creatives deserve it.
drunkbs
It's competitive, man. Ive been in the industry for 20+ years & get steady business but sometimes you have to cut corners to hit deadlines.
ExactlyZeroNipplesSeen
God, and add some folders man....
blackguard89
you should see illustrators. Layer 124 or more commonly known as "Some more extra color blending on that 1 cm spot right there number 5"
craszystring
I laughed too hard at this. I love Illustrator but goddamn does it take some getting used to at first layer ergonomics wise.
iPostDogs
Nothin' quite like opening up someone else's Photoshop or InDesign file and seeing a million unnamed layers. That sigh.
ImGonnaRickRollYou
I just nope. Name your shit or I'm not continuing your work.
iPostDogs
Untitled1.indd, Untitled2.indd, FINALFINAL.psd, FINALFINALV2.psd
gglower
I tried to teach my boss to name his layers and use folders and "smart objects", i failed.
FloppyFingers
CNTRL + CLICK = Auto select layer. But if you are going to share you PSD files.. name them!!!!!
Zantek2
THAT'S A THING? I will have to try that later.
FloppyFingers
Yup, you can buy me a beer later ('-* )/
DanNeedsLoveToo
GROUP THEM
mentallychallengeaccepted
omg thank you
ekyxor
I have prorper layer names and then I have uncontrolled mess of "asdsad" "asdlasjdj" "asd8" layers.
Ulthirm
Or do like me and just remember them all (I'm joking once you reach like 50 that's really hard)
TearlessTaco28
But why do you wanna change theirs birth given name tho? Like layer one is an amazing name tho
capri2004
I'm a newbie and I name my layers. idk
Octwo
Don't tell me how to live my life
Mehdals
No, I do what I want.
KhakiChan
Renctangle 10 copy 78.#
Cthulhukitten
More than often I know where I've located them, I rarely loose a layer. Probably should name them though.
viskag
It's not about you, silly! it's about the other people who have to slug through the same file. (this coming from a developer)
Cthulhukitten
Oh, I've never had to. Probably will, silly thing is I would probably name them something gibberishly out of lazyness..
thegrimnar
But I'm only going to need a few, maybe a few more, just need a couple more...shit was it Layer 55 Copy 5 or Layer 54 Copy 9 Copy 2 :(
Catsnakes4life
Seriously!
Gonnaderpya
Only bads don't name their layers. I always like seeing the new peeps clicking the hide/reveal button over and over to find where they're at
aDapperBear
Bad, bad bads
TicoGuy
Ughh I do this. I'm a bad person.
kytanii
I mean i've been drawing since I was a tadpole and I still do that LAUGHS, CRIES
PedestrianElectrobastard
Hell, I don't even name my files. It's just "copy of unnamed (n)" all the way down.
Improbabilitydrive42
HEY! I'm still learning that part- so thank you :P
SwaghettiYologneseWithMemeballs
You bet I'm bad. I'm bad at everything. *winks with both eyes*
QuidditchAllAmerican
I am very guilty of this
iwannadipmyballsinitguy
4 years in and I still forget to name my layers
triniamit
Same
rokhar
ctrl+alt+rightclick, on the layer i want now.
serenityfast
Move tool, auto select layer, click, done :P
UseTheForceLuke
Cmd + opt click gives a list of all layers (by name) in a menu
serenityfast
What the hell, get out of here with your mac shortcuts. Didn't you get the memo? Macs for artistic work is dead!
TheSultanWithTheBrownTurban
How so?
SandyTentaclez
SHUT UPSHUT UPSHUT UP! *browses through 86 different layers to find the left corner of the right eyes 23rd version*
kkus
omg add a space before you copy paste shut up
GerberLegalTeam
Hey why don't you upshut.
kkus
sorry I didn't realize imgur comments trim trailing spaces
kkus
. and leading spaces too apparently .
BunsaSteel
At least pu them in folders for christ sake
leopardg
I agree: put your unnamed layers in unnamed folders. The mark of a truly sociopathic master (or me).
ellekitty
If you set up your "Move" tool correctly, then you can CTRL+click your layers to select them wherever they are, even in folders. Just a tip.
Bakseed
Fuck me thank you!
TachyonCode
Yeah, but it's not about "Move", it's about opacity and other layer arrangement-based issues.
TachyonCode
Adjusting layer characteristics is simply made easier by doing it to a whole folder. Especially when clipping masks are involved.
TachyonCode
This makes things much easier when, for example, you have a bunch of layers that constitute a single object in an image.
BunsaSteel
I think its more about workflow. If you're expecting revisions, than its best to organize in a way thats going to be easiest to revise later
TachyonCode
That was part of what I intended to convey by making that comment, so yeah. It's also about the actual image editing process.
TachyonCode
4) Saves you the trouble of fussing with selection tools and getting the edges just right, since it's pixel-exact.
TachyonCode
3) Then you don't even have to select anything in the folder, you just duplicate it and merge the folder into one layer.
TachyonCode
2) Like, for example, if you wanted to generate a clipping mask the shape of an entire folder to mass-adjust blending modes.
ellekitty
It really is about "Move". Move activates when you hold CTRL, and Move tool lets you select layers by clicking them in canvas. Go try.
TachyonCode
I've done this. It's still not the one and only important thing relevant to layers and folders.
TachyonCode
4) That said, I've got no complaints about your advice. It's just, for me, the Move tool is quite literally "kid stuff".
TachyonCode
3) The reasons I cited above are the main reasons you'd want to sort layers in named folders rather than naming each one.
TachyonCode
2) Source: I've been using Photoshop since I was twelve years old, and I know more about it than most professionals.
TachyonCode
5) In other words, "the most basic thing you would want to use Photoshop for". So believe me, I know all about it.
BunsaSteel
18 years of exp. as a professional designer, it's just right click if you're a pc. ;)
edgyteen2015
Right click them what?
BunsaSteel
Right click on what you want to select on the canvas. It will give you the option of selecting whichever layers are in that spot