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czbeardly
Edge is now based on chromium, so there is really no need to try and hate on it, besides, after 15 years in IT, all browsers sucks ass.
jansenart
@OP They goddamn did this to me in the last 7 update!!!
JhericFury
Frankly, it could be amazing. I wouldn't know
BorkLocutus
At least Edge didn't uninstall my Firefox. It just hijacked the browser history and sent it to Microsoft.
PotatoKing139
https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools also install o and o shut up 10 and yes it also works on win 11 and set the recommended toggles then reboot and windows its the shit again, it even reboots hella fast now
jethroismaxbaer5772
ThanatosElNyx
They did Fuck Off with Edge, they now have Chromium which is fine.
WskyTng0Fxtr0t
Flawless explanation...
TomahawkJackson
Undeserved. Edge = Chrome now. I loaded up all my Chrome Store plugins, and it works just like Chrome, and uses less memory. So, whatever...
graehall
I accidentally clicked on it, & had to to install it, & it loaded & damn. It's like Chrome. They did a decent job. I won't use it but, s'ok.
soundnote8
It is Chrome. Or, Chromium codebase, Goog services gutted and replaced with MS ones.
3dartwork
You can't even remove it without third-party software is bullshit
Fargus57
Even then, it isn't really removed. If you recall MS's defense in the anti-trust suit, the browser is coded in as an integral part of the OS
SumptuousMeat
Yeah, I literally did this two days ago.
PotatoKing139
the tool lets you force remove edge and other useless windows features, my process count is down by over 50!!!
ADMNtek
as it should be.
DraxusBane
I literally did this at 9am for my work machine. Edge went right in the recycle bin.
Domehammer
"I made a desktop icon for edge don't you-" In the garbage you go.
Valterren
It's the same with Skype. I keep removing it but it comes back with every update.
Elroydb
Keep it installed but disabled in the Startup menu and it shouldn't bother you
CheapBeerAndBadDecisions
Microsoft took over Skype in 2011 and are now phasing it out for Teams. Uninstall it again and it wont come come back
Fargus57
We were part of a Teams enterprise test group reporting to MS. We 'broke' Teams in under 4 hours. MS wasn't happy, at all.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Yes, but maybe during initial project planning they should have considered setting a goal to make Teams not shit.
Fargus57
Like SharePoint, Teams is a hodgepodge of native and acquired products/code. Those types of things almost never go smoothly.
CheapBeerAndBadDecisions
as someone who uses Teams and SharePoint everyday, I agree on the lack of smooth
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
This is both 100% accurate and also 100% not my fucking problem. For SharePoint AND Teams AND a half dozen other MS projects just like them.
blueridgedog
New edge uses Chromium...I am still Mozilla all the way, but it is not crap.
AgnesMcGillicuddy
Meh - it is just basically a reskinned Chrome. It is cetainly NOT IE
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Microsoft is so fucking seedy about updates. They force you into them. Why? Why can't I just do what I want with the machine I paid for?
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
This might sound a bit conspiracy-esque but I wouldn't be surprised if it was monitoring/tracking devices...
soundnote8
Because without forced updates you get WannaCry. In this case, MS stopped developing their EdgeHTML renderer and switched to Chromium
soundnote8
If they force the new Edge to everyone, they have one up to date web rendering engine rather than people being stuck on a decrepit browser
soundnote8
that's no longer maintained and a growing security risk.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
...or you could use Google Chrome like a normal person. You realise the issue is not Edge itself, right. It's updates without consent.
CynicalPrints
Immediately deleted it down to the root folder, but part of me wondered if it is any better. Might be time to replace the Chrome hog.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Don't worry, just update Windows and everything you deleted will be installed again.
Abbotblues
Remove it using powershell and it won't
RyanHaynes
It's literally just Chrome now. I use it, because my Chrome bugged out on me and won't open at all even with a un/reinstall. Still 1/2
RyanHaynes
Microsoft lost a anticompetitive suit way back for doing the exact same thing with IE. MS should get the gavel again
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
A lot of debate in the comments about whether Edge is good or bad. That's not the point, the point is it being forced down people's throats
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That's all well and good, but: have you considered using Microsoft One Drive for all your cloud storage needs? Windows is always ready to sy
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Also here's an Xbox thing on your PC that you can't remove. Why? Fuck you, that's why.
RideTheStimutacs
BUT WE GAVE YOU A DESKTOP SHORTCUT AND AN UNSKIPPABLE INTRO AND A TASKBAR LINK! DO YOU WANT IT NOW!?
Mderms
I get it but technically by even using windows 10 you agreed to it by not reading the terms and conditions.
FeralFarter
To be fair, (IANAL) it is an established defense in court that terms and conditions that are prohibitively long and tedious are not admissable for anything outside basic protections.
SlyeFox
I don't have Win10, was still installed(not updated, installed) as an """important update"".
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
While I'm a Firefox main through and through, what's so wrong with the new Edge? It's basically a slightly better version of Chrome.
SlyeFox
The fact it was installed as an "important windows update".
takhat
Straight up edge is underrated. Works perfectly fine and uses like half the ram of chrome
lysani
Edge is also the only browser that actually supports true 4k resolutions in media players like Netflix.
SequoiaHughes
Honest question: really? I’d switch over for that. How is it that other browsers dont actually display 4k? I never heard about that
lysani
Apparently they upscale the resolution to try and mimic 4k, or that's how it was last time I checked it out.
EverydayIdleness
But what about that one month trial of youtube premium? You can keep videos playing while the screen is off!
HenryLongfellowIII
Chrome has this great feature that lets you find which of the 300 open tabs is making sounds.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
Who the fuck even wants that? video is their whole deal why would I want that in radio format?
TrapsAreIllegal
youtube vanced my dude
EzraFell
No thanks Microsoft, Mozilla is my Lord and Savior.
Domehammer
The thing Mozilla did to make archive sites not work pissed me off. Sure you can manually fix config but I plan to switch browsers.
Anonymous0199846
Yes. chrome/edge are just greedy pieces of shit. Safari is just unintentionally a piece of shit.
altrdgenetics
I wanna say yes, but the whole webp file saving thing is starting to piss me off
omadonnadellerose
pluviofile
Try opera gx
deweydefeatstrumanagain
https://xkcd.com/111/
Sanotassard
but the doom and destruction of your ram
detectivekagami
WAY better than Chrome though
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Compared to Chrome? LOL.
LadyNetrex
Not really. At least not more than Chrome. I got 17 windows with many tabs in each, works just fine :P
AeonQuasars
I had Opera untill they were bought up by China.
pluviofile
Try gx. It's not bad.
vayxes
They WHAT???
AeonQuasars
2016. Used to Norwegian, but now bought up. Norwegian link: https://www.digi.no/artikler/opera-stykkes-opp/349543
TrapsAreIllegal
Opera became awful when they switched to Chromium. I had hope for Vivaldi, but just went to Firefox instead.
fake40nedeso
Vivaldi is a cluster fuck… usability comparable to how mechanics see a Tiger II
ojakojako
It started out well and then just become a bloated mess. Last few times I tried reinstalling it I quickly dumped it again.
MattGlade
Brave
CrabbyFlapjacks
It is simply the best.
fake40nedeso
jm151
it's based on Chromium now, so I switched to it to get away from Google's crap
BlasphemousPigeon
Yeah, there's other options that aren't tied to either company that are based on chromium.
Cheesynipnop
Sure, but ive tried a bunch and i dont care for them. Edge is pretty good. Been using the beta ~6mo now.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Microsoft and Google aren't your only options. Thankfully.
jm151
I don't feel like faffing about with 6 million re-spins of Chromium or Firefox to find one I "like."
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Sure I guess - I mean, just regular Firefox is pretty OK...
FisterMantastic
Try Opera. I've been using it for coming up on 20 years now.
ihaveamonsteraddiction
The "new" Edge really isn't bad at all. Working in IT, I make a habit to use all browsers so that I'm familiar with them.
CitizenPrime
It's really good!
VodkaReindeer
Exactly. I haven't installed Chrome so if a webpage bugs out on my Firefox, I can just launch Edge and see if that fixes things.
moe181
But but but!! It's cool to put down any Microsoft made browsers without any knowledge about them!
Mephistolese
IT bro here. The new Edge is just a repackaged Chrome for the most part. When installed, it will literally just hide the old Edge. ......
Mephistolese
When using Edge in kiosk mode (built into Windows 10) you’ll literally have to revert to using the old Edge. Anyways, at best it’s meh.
bot1010011010
Not sure why it needs to run in the background all the time. Out it goes!
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
To ensure that it loads quickly when you click the icon, Microsoft simply keeps it *always* loaded and it just opens a window when required.
ribnag
Disable it as a background app, then run gpedit.msc. Computer -> Admin -> Windows -> Edge. Disable allow pre-launch and start&load. Reboot.
rockiesmagicnumber
I use edge for a lot of web dev. The chromium script debugger is just better than the Firefox debugger.
SpacemaniaXu
It could be the best by a mile. I still won't use it out of spite. Lol
RavenBlue
Edge uses the Chrome back end so it's mostly just a visual difference.
CandidGamera
Sure, I'd expect a doctor to know how to handle a stool sample, so IT folk should know Edge. Doesn't mean I have to.
ChristianMomsAgainstFortnite
It runs off the chromium system so it's basically a re skin of chrome
chocolateandmilkwin
More like both chrome and edge are skins on chromium.
CrownedHeadJohn
Who is this Chromium? Does he make browsers
Ghlargh
Chromium is the open source development project run by Google, Chrome is the Google branded product name.
FisterMantastic
Where's my Opera fans at
LeonSpinks
Ryzen 3900x, Win 7, Opera 69 (kek!) checking in!
FisterMantastic
I KNEW THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE MORE OUT THERE. BROTHER! <3
saganworshipper
*crickets
FisterMantastic
I'll take the crickets!
FisterMantastic
Ayyyy thats one fan!
saganworshipper
I'm more of an Alta Vista fan.
TheMojaveWanderer
I agree, I don't think it's the best but I don't think Credge is bad either.
TiredOfTheBS
I’ve completely switched to it after I learned how fucking sketchy google is.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That's like asking China to protect you from Facebook. If your *main* concern is a non-sketchy browser, Firefox is the best in class.
TiredOfTheBS
It’s really not. Microsoft is world class for privacy, and the protections built into the new Edge are great. Firefox may be marginally
TiredOfTheBS
more private but to say MS is not is uninformed.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
I'm not suggesting they would ever give your information to third parties. THEY are the third party I don't want handling my information.
saganworshipper
A fellow IT nerd told me that Edge is a privacy pervert, so i have always removed it off of every endpoint.
Covidnineteen
Old edge wasn't bad either. But it wasn't worth switching.
70617373776f7264
Seeing how it's just chrome with a different skin...
Wor3q
And some improvements, which will eventually be backported to chrome. Currently Edge is way better on touchscreens for example.
70617373776f7264
Yup. Everyone hates on it for it's ugly past it seems. While it kinda sucked in the beginning MS moved past it's ego to fix it.
YugiJoe
I find the memory usage is only a bit lower then Chrome, but that the CPU usage is significantly lower and more stable. I made the switch.
MrTay
Chrome kind of blows it uses more memory than most video games.
soundnote8
https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-and-google-at-odds-over-memory-saving-tactic-in-edge-and-chrome/
WoTLert
I'm sure it's quite good, in its own way. But I am choosing not to use it, and wish it would just fuck off with its popups already.
IraqiWalker
Honestly? It's better than Chrome in almost every respect. Bing sucks (except for porn searches, apparently), but new Edge is great.
TheWhiteBarry
If more people understood data privacy the world would be using Firefox. Edge is doing what Google's been doing for years with chrome
Deathtospam
It’s basically vanilla Chrome, which is fine by me. Firefox is still my daily driver, though.
tepmoc
i mean compare to what MS use to ship with windows its day and night. So yeah i just leave it for my parents computer.
Snipez911
Used for a while. Went back to chrome because the volume is FUBAR with EDGE. Would not recognize the browser volume control or pc master vol
PolarbearsToenails
Same. I'm liking it as well
CarVersus
IE was a great PDF reader, and they gutted a lot of functions in the Edge. As a grad student, I miss the "read aloud" and easy highlighting
cmv1324
Not to mention tossing the pdf toc navigator and pdf printing.
Mack1986
I'm experimenting using edge for my browsing the last week. Its a fuckton faster than chrome or Firefox. Uses a lot less memory. Bing sucks
TrapsAreIllegal
I just like the way Fx behaves a lot.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Is it? I generally use Firefox at home but it's such a memory hog. I tend to have a lot of tabs open and it regularly takes all my /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
memory. I can't recall how much I've got, but a year ago I doubled it and Firefox *still* drives it up to 100%. It has a memory leak or /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
something, when you close a tab it doesn't seem to release the resources. I shut it down a lot to clear it. /3
AfterTheRainComesTheRainbow
Friend of mine tried it and it gave him ads. We are sticking to opera GX
SirBagels
Try Brave. Blows most browsers out of the water.
secretdpp
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smelborp
Brave is excellent
EquanimousSerenity
Dot
SirBagels
(It also pays you...)
kmikl
BAT is a cool idea, I wish my IT Dept would let me run it, considering I'm in IT Security.
kmikl
Use the great suspender, uBlock Origin with most of the privacy lists. I use Chrome with under 8GB ram and it's always good.
HenryLongfellowIII
Bing is not as censored as Google and probably somewhat less tied to feeding personal data to the US government.
Mack1986
Agreed. But the actual results aren't what I want. I'm toying with it for work research too
LegendaryLoser
Add in DuckDuckGo for unfiltered results as well. The more the merrier!
Elroydb
One thing that has always been true is that it is the best browser for streaming media
Mack1986
Yes! I noticed this. Because there is no other bloat. Chrome stutters all the fricken time and it enraged me
kookyabird
For a long time IE and Edge were the only browsers to support true 1080p from Netflix.
kmikl
That was by agreement with Netflix, not a technological reason.
Deathtospam
Google is getting less helpful at search, so I find myself using Bing more often.
Justtoberight
Try Ecosia
GreekTrojan
In some ways I agree. People have been getting too good at SEO-hacking Google (and mostly ignoring Bing). Not perfect but a second option.
LoopStricken
Goddamn Pinterest.
RingSting
An entire page of sponsored ads before I even get to the actual content I wanted, switched to duckduckgo instead.
Deathtospam
Yep. Ecosia is also worth considering.
Rengii
I use it for Netflix because apparently Chrome caps the Netflix stream at 720p.
complimentpin
Why though?
mimomisu
There's an extension for 5.1 sounf and 1080p for Chrome but it only works some times.
BeingTheGuythatshere
The new edge is based on chromium. You know the stuff Chrome is based on :)
Rengii
That's why I specified Chrome, not chromium :)
pariah76
Yes, but everyone loves to hate Microsoft browsers because it's the "in" thing. Only a step above Apple sycophants
Covidnineteen
Use the app. But due to encryption requirements you can't watch a lot of movies or shows above 720p on any browser that's not embedded in
Covidnineteen
The OS.
kookyabird
Edge is not "embedded in the OS". IE is baked in, but not Edge.
darkwingduckInaMiniSkirt
So if IE is baked in, does that mean it will go past 720p with netflix?
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
I understand in what sense you mean - but for something not embedded in the OS it's sure as fuck hard to remove it.
Snadethebeast
They restarted my computer on me for an "urgent update" and what came up was their fancy new edge. Deleted the entire browser instantly.
CrownedHeadJohn
You should delete their share market.
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
Windows 10 won’t let you remove Edge without a special program. So even if you delete the browser it’s still there like mild herpes....
ultradongle
Pretty sure it will just reinstall itself on reboot/next update. IE used to do that too.
Meatmissile3000
It doesnt even let me uninstall edge anymore and I'm pissed
romkasmirnoff2000
I added it to the antivirus blacklist, otherwise it just pops up randomly and not even loading anything at all, worse than a virus
reddogg9877
Same, wouldn't let me uninstall via add/remove, deleted its whole program folder manually.
Mderms
I'll be back soon enough. I added a "1" to the end of the folder it was in and it was reverted within 72 hours.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
You almost certainly didn't delete it unless you set a domain admin policy on your PC, or performed the equivalent of a jailbreak on your...
klbearsfan125
It will also likely cause other problems in the OS as it is so heavily integrated into it. On 7 I deleted IE and fucked everything up.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
To be fair, IE and Edge are integrated differently into the OS. For example Windows 10 still has IE installed by default for compatibility.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
...Windows install and then had all the Edge feature components manually removed one by one. Otherwise it's still there, and when Windows...
LiamPhoto
Updates next time, you'll think theyre better than me, they defo have the edge
RobThaRobber
Windows update service has the permissions to remove it, you can queue an update to do so using a script.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That removal is not permanent - unless your domain policy is set to exclude Edge in default Win installs, or something along those lines.
pariah76
Weird. I never have that problem. You need to adjust your settings for updates (or stop leaving your computer on 24/7)
Elroydb
The new version of Edge does not require a reboot. They probably tossed it in with a dozen security fixes
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
That they still never actually explain what those security fixes are.
OmegaKamidake
Yeah because I've never touched it to update it, they forced it to update with security patches
kmikl
This is actually a good thing. Security hotfixes for most users that don't run IDS/IPS on their local network is what keeps them from /1
kmikl
/2 getting fucked every time there's a new exploit in the wild. I disagree with packaging other shit like Edge in with it, but that's how
kmikl
/3 things go with them for now.
GalacticMile
CogPrimus
Maybe they delete the shortcuts then celebrated their own genius.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
Oh yes, DLLs and a single directory are the highest of hoops...
WhatsYourCovidStory
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UncleMeaty
If he got Edge from an update, he isn't running Windows 10. 10 came with Edge already. Windows 7 got Edge a little while ago.
soundnote8
They pushed the chromium Edge through Win update on Win10 too.
LifetimeCrisis
With the way my computer updated, I have no option to remove it and microsoft seems to have no plans to change that.
FreeGrammarLessons
I can’t get rid of it either.
Foxcross
Same lest I got rid of the f1 thing
Snadethebeast
Weird, I created a shortcut, opened file location, selected everything that was edge related and pressed delete.
Snadethebeast
I know I at least did enough damage to prevent edge from booting.
Scalam1
If you cant remove it cripple it
arednecksquirel
Disable it in the registry
Elroydb
That's great but they'll just repopulate it during next month's update rollup
Imalwaysready
And two more edges will grow back in its place.
mdlusk22
Hail Hydra!
DVERIOUS
Just gotta do 40 fire damage in a turn to prevent that
ddet1207
You have to cauterize the stumps.
ElPenisGrande
Now that's alotta damage
HenryLongfellowIII
Does it also prevent your computer from booting? Because you know they would do that if they thought they could get away with it.
SociopathicHousePlant
nah, there would be a full-on chimp out if they ever attempted entangling edge with the core OS files