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KalciBone
Im in the USA, we are dumbasses. Our leaders are worse dumbasses.
ThailandExpress
remember when all the repugs were saying we wont be like Italy, & how crappy Italy's universal healthcare was & thats why it was so bad?
Ranier
bUt ThE uSa HaS mOrE pEoPlE
efemral
A direct result of poor education among other things.
DeKetsendeRechter
Americans: "Oh, no, it's okay! We've got more population so it's okay to let more people die!" Their misuse of data around COVID19 baffles.
todayok
Remember when Trump supporter's 2016 message was "facts over feelings". Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Battle4ngel
"Alternate facts" maybe.
RememberTheC4nt
I once posted a per capita data about Germany and the US. I still got comments like that
DavidBrooker
I get that. I usually follow up and ask why they think whatever property scales faster than linear with population and they go silent.
Brute765
Almost like allowing mass protests during a pandemic was a bad idea.
Cyaphas
'Allowing' this guy gets it.
spict
I checked, the US has ~7500 / M people cases and in Finland where I happen to reside, not always so happily, it is 1300 / M. I'll take it
spict
Oh and the not happy thing was restrictions that are gradually lifted. The health care is amazing. ;)
newsguycraigevans
Never forget it was a REPUBLICAN president that called it a hoax. It was REPUBLICAN politicians that said it was fake.
rwb813
Can I claim sanctuary and move to one of those I’m covid free
klean9
trippingthelightfantastic
Quick mafs :)
backrideup9
Math was not my classmates' strong suit 25 years ago. They are now tweeting that shortcoming with reckless abandon.
motay12145
So dude is okay with the spread in the USA cuz the other countries stats are whatever???
CrackedCookie
Is nyc and 20 other American cities not DENSLY POPULATED?
newsguycraigevans
The EU as a whole has a higher population in a smaller territory than the US. They have significantly fewer cases. Leadership matters.
CognosNerd
I hate showing deaths per capita. Belgium's DPM is 851 vs US 379. That diminishes the fact that 125k people in the US are dead. 9k in BE.
coronalmassejection
"And, you know, when you say “per capita,” there’s many per capitas. It’s, like, per capita relative to what? But you can look at..." 1/2
coronalmassejection
"just about any category, and we’re really at the top, meaning positive on a per capita basis, too. They’ve done a great job."Pres trump 2/2
firstandlast85
had me in the first bit thinking you were having a keyboard stroke
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
france and italy have higher population densities, but america has a denser population
EmperorSteppeppers
Haa
nightof11bangbangs
Before people grab their pitchforks. Their conversation went on and was quite civil. I dont have sauce, it was in reddits comments.
TinaEveFox
Hey we can use idiocy to spot the Trump voters and then hate shame them into oblivion.
mity0k23
Their notion of country is unexamined as well. Is it landmass? Is it population size? No one knows.
pandemicpolemic
Number of llamas?
mity0k23
Might as well be.
ilovethisdog
It's that same dumbass argument against universal healthcare where people just pretend our country is the biggest so it's pointless to try.
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
Leadership matters
zerogenix
they dont have people strapping bibles to their faces, blaming 5G towers and other conspiracy shit, acting like a mask is a political stance
joot
To put it another way that may be more digestible: the U.S. has 5.4 times as many people as Italy, but 176 times as many covid cases.
GroumphLePreux
But people in the US are FRRRRREEEEEEE !
Nigbad1984
The way trump is spending them it’s just as well.
joot
U.S. has 4.9 times as many people as France, but 412 times as many covid cases.
joot
...7 times as many people as Spain, but 101 times as many covid cases.
Dominiricanish
Or the EU has 1.36 times the population of the US, but the US has 6.75 times more cases.
PanNonOpticon
And those are most of the worst hit countries in Europe
Zdrast11
Why don't people stop sensationalizing information and simply just refer to it as the generally accepted... per 100,000 population
VresiBerba
Is that 100.000 or 100000 or one hundred thousand?
ConorOSully
Per million is superior
Eatsdenim
That is simplifying it. Different frames useful in different contexts.
ChoccoMilkandCheetos
I was explained to how the ratios work. I decided to agree
Ninjainslippers
That's still a gross oversimplification, don't act like that slight adjustment makes it a perfect metric.
slandr
Because he intended to bait someone into looking stupid
banterlecht
Well you see America has the most people per capita in the world so that wouldn't work
ChoccoMilkandCheetos
Dude, wtf? No way
UVAChemE2013
How about the amount of cunt per cuntry? How are we doin?
banterlecht
/s if not obvious
ChoccoMilkandCheetos
Oh wait. Just saw this. Sorry, carry on.
ilasid
Lol that’s what per capita means
jackmiton
Honestly, because most people don't know what that means
The2ndman
Need population density taken into account too. 100 people in 100 Square miles vs 100 people in 1 Square mile is very different.
LurkerOfDarkness
The US doesn't need help looking bad in this...
lazerfrog
Yes! For a pandemic, population density is more important in some ways than normalising spread by population. Less density = less contacts
PotatOSLament
Which just makes the us even worse by comparison because much of Europe is densely populated.
MrTay
Like per capita isn’t used to sensationalize information. While useful here it’s intended to show a very raw number without outliers. It’s1/
MrTay
Designed to cut outliers and we commonly use it as a metric in situation fraught with outliers in many different data sets. For example 2/
MrTay
Comparing testing per capita. Between small and large nations. Supplying limited resources doesn’t scale linearly. Capita is better w linear
hatchforlife
That and accurately represent the data, the US cases are following the same trend, densely populated areas are high in cases.
gooberthehat
Are you thick? Following the same trend? Use Google rather than fox!
faultysage
dekket
It is - unsurpringly - more complicated than that too. But yea, it's generally better than JUST the raw numbers.
cheesypundit
https://imgur.com/6kM5JyW that's exactly why I made this
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TheCacklingJackal
9 out of 10 doctors can be represented as 90,000 out of 100,000 doctors. Ratios can be scaled up.
yourCleavageUsername
That’s how Germans ended up having 1.4 kids per capita. Not all of us are cannibals.
ThatUsernameHasAlreadyBeenChosenAndlsNoLongerAvailable
Density matters
babycheesehead
As trump said, there are too many per capita https://www.merriam-webster.com/amp/news-trend-watch/trump-there8217s-many-per-capitas-20200521
DeadTramp
Most cleverest president ever. He understands the per capitas better than probably anyone else ever. He has huge knowledges of the capitas
UnorthodoxLady
Holy shit talk about birdbrained!!!!
babycheesehead
Barely even made the news though with this guy
ICampOntheFirstDate
Thank you. When checking the county maps for my state I use the per 100k for inter- comparison and per square mile for a ballpark density.
gradeD
Thank the advertising and PR industries for helping to turn us into imbeciles with regards to numbers.
BaklavaMatatas
Yea. Switzerland is often left out in graphs cause tiny but we were going to be the 2nd Italy. And we locked that motherducker down 1/2
BaklavaMatatas
3/2 also our leader of disease control has become somewhat of a national icon. More authority than the actual government at some points
BaklavaMatatas
2/2 beg March 1200 registered cases a day, population of 8m. Lockdown 2 months, slow opening. All restrictions gone. +/- 25 cases a day now
amglasgow
Vatican city has a pope incidence of 121 popes per 100k population.
madeejit
Spare a thought for Italy; formidable mountains to the north, ferocious volcanoes to the south, and worst of all; a Pope in the middle.
LurkerOfDarkness
They also have a little over 2 popes per km²
bigfatpanda89
I love this statistic
Markuspsyches
Doesn't it currently have 4 popes/km² right now?
LurkerOfDarkness
No, the undead one resides outside the vatican.
Markuspsyches
When did he move out of Mater Ecclesiae Monastery in Vatican City?
electroshockwave
That's a lot higher than the world average.
TheWhiteBarry
Jesus that's a lotta popes
Holdshift2countercaps
Highest crime right per capita I think as well in that country.
ActionJohnnie
Can I get a soap pope on a rope?
sonianosia
dumberthanyouraveragebear
That can be problematic too. I live in a place with 30,000 people. We often get cited as having a super high crime rate because of the ...
RawSuger
...how is that problematic, if your risk of getting mugged is five times the national average...?
Tesseract09
Because not everything scales linearly with population
qwaszx8888
Not trying to be mean. Nobody has enough chars to explain this to you. Its complicated.
RawSuger
you mean its so stupid if you put it in writing you'll have to admit you were wrong? there's an argument to be made for small pops, not 30K
qwaszx8888
Youre an idiot. Thats a period there. At the end of a sentence. At the end of the book.
Einstein9073
It really isn't. And if you can't explain it, you don't really understand it
qwaszx8888
Lmao. Okay. A town of 1000 people randomly 100 get weird cancers. Does everyone now have a higher chance of cancer? No. Fuck off.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Just guessing here because this shouldn't be hard to explain like they say it is - Outliers are more common in small populations.
CanadianEngineer
You can say “the variance is higher in a small population” instead if you want.
CanadianEngineer
Well that’s just not true. Outliers will occur at the same rate regardless of the size of the population.
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
I feel relevant.
TheDuK
Yes but they effect the data from small areas more.
RawSuger
the margin of error for a population of 30K is a few %, if he said 100 he might have a case but 30K its a ridiculous point
dumberthanyouraveragebear
I’m from the yukon, I believe it has our murder rate almost 10 times that of the rest of canada, but our actual number is quite low....
qwaszx8888
Its this simple: in a small pop one person’s decision has a statistically significant impact on others. Wiki this shit. Stat is not simple.
hdcompatible
If you round down though, you don’t exist.
nppraxis
Technically a single person committing a crime counts as >3 per capita. Wow
vowofloudness
Per capita is per person. Per 100k is something else.
dumberthanyouraveragebear
100k comparison.
jesting
30 people murdered in 30k is the same as 100 people murdered in 100k. That's the point, to make the simple people able to compare equally.
jesting
Oh, then I saw your username. I get it now...
Groogruxx
Haha, I just saw your username. You had me, you had me there
MouseCheese1
This is what happens when you dont trust education and science but the good old bible cant be wrong!
Cyaphas
This is what happens when people riot and protest in large groups in populated areas.
spectralfury
Because the breath of God breathed in life! And with a mask, I can't breathe his breath! *sarcasm
GratuaCuun
Funny thing is that not even the bible says go out and murder your neighbor so you can have a bbq :P
Mewmus
most of the cases are in densely populated areas, guess where liberals/non religious folk tend to live ?
destinoz
The Bible? Every rush to reopen was lead by business interests, political leaders said exactly this when justifying their reopen plans.
Spidey209
I take it you missed the churchs demanding to be able to hold mass in the middle of a pandemic?
destinoz
I noticed a handful of churches doing that. Didn’t see any major denomination get on board. Not one.
strawberryabbey
My mom said that if ppl don't have enough faith that they won't get it in a church, they shouldn't go bc they don't believe it's sacred.
strawberryabbey
The co. next to us had an outbreak from a church choir practice. I studied bio in college. You'd think she'd trust her own daughter on this
FallingStar7669
Narrator: "But what he didn't know was, it can."
WaitingonCoffee
Just 2 weeks ago we were saying it was okay to gather en masse in the streets. Now we're blaming...the bible? Low hanging fruit, do better.
floofnmeeps
Ancient scribble scrabbles
NewDemosthenes
Are there people out there claiming the Bible tells them not to wear a mask?
IHuggedaCorgiToday
you're going to find someone saying the Bible said so for every situation out there
EyeLoveLamp
Yes. Literally. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn
NewDemosthenes
That’s ridiculous. I read the Bible. It helps calm me down. But I don’t use it to excuse poor decisions.
jasontylerb
Literally no one in the video says, “the Bible said”. I’m lost how its relevant. And please stop with the science/religion war. 1/2
jasontylerb
Not every people of faith is extreme radicals. And not every doctor /scientist is arguing the same perspective. 2/2
MouseCheese1
This makes my point very well thank you. They dont trust experts and scientific evidence. I have no time for religion, this is why.
cazaron
I'm no longer religious but please, don't lump all religious people and all religion in with the idiots.
NewDemosthenes
Most religious people aren’t like this. The ones that make the news are always the extreme cases.
Painkiller1020
Japan only had 400 Covid deaths. Imagine places like Tokyo and Kyoto having so few cases. Incredible.
scotttenno
The also didn't go into any kind of lockdown
HandoB4Javert
Facemask culture having seen what the 1918 influenza did. They remember.
shadowheart65
Its cause they dont have problems wearing masks.
BSwann
Bloody perverts, I for one am not into BDSM.
BabySharkEtc
Does anyone remember the recent panic over the global shortage of masks? Now nobody wants to use them.
Somanyquestions
Individualism vs collectivism
TheCosmicDrifter
It’s also about general knowledge / education level as well as trust in experts.
Bandlith
Agreed, cause really, its collective groups of idiots that are the problem.
ConspiracyTheoristsLilBrother
“I love the poorly educated!”
Somanyquestions
I still think that line was brillant, as no one thought it applied to them, and it made them feel smart to not be in that group.
Teratoid
That quote still chills me
OneNameHere
We're #1!
TevishSzat
And that's fucking up every policy response except they all wore masks. Wear your damn mask.
Threadnomancer
AND they're super cities!
boblives
Yeah I read they did everything as bad as the Americans except everyone was wearing masks
2graves
Worse really. But masks are normal there
TheLazyLibrarian
Actually, it's because the "400 Covid deaths" claim is pulled out of thin air. The actual death is 971 https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
That's still crazy low for a country of 125M, with one of the largest cities in the world.
TheLazyLibrarian
Probably bc Japan has focused on testing vulnerable groups like elderly rather than widespread testing; although, it does come w/ 2 1/2
TheLazyLibrarian
problems. 1). Japan's testing rate is far lower compared to other nations, 2). Japan only test symptomatic patients; there is almost 2/3
JetSetGo
The Japanese government suppressed a lot of COVID deaths in the hopes of keeping the Olympics going, so the real number is likely higher...
JetSetGo
...but still, their number of deaths are so low compared to the US (where a lot of states, like Kentucky and Florida, are also supressing...
JetSetGo
...COVID deaths). Masks decrease the spread of COVID by upwards of 80% but because of our president and right wing media, no one wears them.
somepoorjerk
That happens when you make it extremely difficult to get tested.
dmelt253
Japanese people have been wearing masks when they get sick since well before Covid was a thing. Even if it’s just a cold
BornToDoStuff
Been to Kyoto. The mask % pre covid was around what it is in my area in the US mid covid so... makes sense to me.
Magus25
Wearing a mask in public places if you are sick is just part of the culture. It's always made sense to me, hopefully it sticks around.
Streiquer
Taiwan, 447 cases total. 7 deaths, total. So much we could have learned if we had leadership that was willing to listen.
BSwann
Not all about leadership,take some personal fucking responsibility.Just this week I saw a video of an old man bumrush a Walmart without mask
JPBStory
I realise they aren't Asshoe China and they are doing damn well but I find 447 and 7 a bit...utterly impossible to believe. Props to 'em tho
LucyMei
Health care available to 99% of population at reasonable cost, mask rationing, vice president an epidemiologist, quarantine all arrivals,
LucyMei
Moreover, the painful experience from SARS, the airport controls from fighting African swine flu, contact tracing technology available
LucyMei
It is also easier on an island but most importantly people, government and business are in this together and acted fast.
PhiIIipJFry
Japan had a lot of cases, just very few deaths
ctotheg2
Over 900 deaths actually. And they’re not testing and they don’t publish pneumonia death rates.
MaeMaeMoans
EXACTLY! People keep saying wow look at Japan but they're not testing so of course it's lower. Mask culture helped but for real
DerelictTwitterCrash
I have many friends in Japan and it's a shitshow. They don't talk, treat or count cases, gov's acting like it's not touching the country.
ctotheg2
tagyoureit
Yup.. and stories of people getting turned away from dozens of hospitals. Definite shitshow..
moricai
To be fair, masks were a part of Japanese culture before the outbreak, and also their government has people with triple digit IQ points...
LaffertyDanie1
Especially with their older populations
TheBluntSoldier
And how small is Japan compared to the USA?!?!11 Smaller country = smaller cases thats just good old american science.
postalval
but they've also gone the ,'If we don't test we don't have it route!'
FakeusernameDave
The asian nations are years ahead with virus response, due to previous severe outbreaks.
TheLazyLibrarian
Actually, it's 971 total Covid-19 deaths in Japan. Also, 89 new cases today. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
onedoesnotsimplysimplysimply
But from what i saw, Japan is not testing that much people? Like 4k people tested per 1m?
BSwann
Ok but how many dead? testing is kind of Irrelevant as long as people aren't dying.
onedoesnotsimplysimplysimply
They might be dying but under different cause name. Just saying. It's done like this in Poland so we won't have to many deaths from covid.
spicepoet
Incorrect. They test anyone suspected of dying of covid-19. Unlike say Florida and Texas.
somedudeyoumightknow
Japan isn't China or USA, they have yet to be shown to be hiding cases of COVID in dead.
BSwann
Ok but it's not hard to see that, like Florida hmmm you have a 600% increase in pneumonia deaths wonder what caused that.
SonOfTheDarkStranger
They were all putting on masks as soon as the news leaked from Wuhan, without even being asked.
Undaftiness
It's polite to wear a mask if you feel like you might be ill.
NoLongerLiving
I'm a walking disease. 1/2
NoLongerLiving
Human.
Undaftiness
I guess we should all invest in this next then.
somepoorjerk
Or ugly. Or didn’t shave, or put on makeup.
gingen
Not to mention Japan as a society already social distances on the regular without a pandemic, same with wearing masks. Good job, Japan :)
RevolutionOnHerLips
They do? I think their personal bubble tends to be higher than some places but don't they pack their subway cars?
arcenlapin
1. My best friend living there for a couple years already said that it was mid-end March and many people were without masks for the
arcenlapin
Cherry blossoms because they were told it would be fine/under control. I was very surprised as usually the My seem very diligent.
arcenlapin
*they seem
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Even before this thing Japan, South Korea et al, wore masks alot anyway. A bit of a carry over from the spanish flu. Wear your masks folks.
BSwann
It's not a carry over from the Spanish flu you bellend they get things like this, SARS etc semi regularly. Also it's just good hygiene.
notashill
I heard they wear them because they are allergic to ceder pollen which was planted to rebuild japan after ww2 and since its not.native they
notashill
Have a high allergy rate
SickSickIndividual
I thought it was because of air pollution?
DarkBusterBaron
either way they are still more used to and willing to wearing masks so it was much less of an issue to get them to wear masks to start with
MajesticGiant
In china it is common to do that but masks in japan, at least, are a social rule. Anytime someone is sick they self isolate and wear masks,
lunicow
South Korea it's commonplace due to pollution as well, they get alerts due to pollution and close all windows and kids come in masks. Though
MajesticGiant
for things as simple as a cold, flu, etc. Very polite and considerate culture
Wor3q
I wish everyone would wear masks during flu season.
RevengeByAnyOtherNameIsNotAsSweet
well flu season is over...
kaitekarue
I wear masks whenever I get sick. So I dont get others sick. Its just common decency.
CorgiOrgi3612
Honestly, I think I might just wear it every flu season after this
theemperortodspengo
Flu and allergy, honestly. This year has been brutal on my sinuses, but not bad at all when I wear my mask
SMhobo
If you promise I will promise
Barkinsons
The Asian countries had to deal with SARS back then and mostly learned their lessons, including the general population
Higure
Inhabitants of Japan and South Korea have been wearing masks as a matter of course since long before SARS.
csisvan
Well, they didn't entirely learn their lesson, nor has the rest of the world. Kansas Pig Farm Flu killed 50 mil, people keep eating meat.
csisvan
Most (75%) new diseases come from zoonosis. If people gave a crap about preventing the next pandemic, they'd ban meat eating.
aNamelessCreature
Japan is also very much in the habit of wearing face masks when they feel sick so not to spread. It's literally their go-to first response.
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
Makes me want to move to Japan. Imagine a country not filled with self-righteous assholes... I literally cannot
aNamelessCreature
Oh, they can be assholes in other ways.
Emiloo74
Yes. It is about respecting others. I am on board with that idea!
Feralkyn
Though caveat, Covid sufferers are probably infectious far before feeling sick
RoryBlack1
Japan already has a massive mask culture which helped a shit ton
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
Mask culture in Japan has been in place for 100 years and got a big shot in the arm 15 years ago.
yoshi
what happened 15 years ago?
GoodenAndItIsAGoodUn
25 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack?wprov=sfla1
yoshi
god damn. thanks for sharing
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
well I was thinking SARS, didn't remember the sarin gas attack... I'm sure that does help, though