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K3LLYWOG160
So a star wars version of Legend of the Galactic Heroes?
strideo
There's a series that knows what large scale means. The latest Star Wars trilogy totally lacks that epic feeling of a large scale conflict.
BlueLanternBraxx
Freakingdoomguy
Poor Kyle katarn
BluePaladin42
Merek Steele, Tycho Celchu, Soontir Fel, Kylan Farlander, Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, Wedge and his posse.
WillTheFifth
MAKE REVAN CANON AGAIN
lolwutface
And Talon Karrde, Mara Jade, the Noghri, and the minor relevancy the Bothans had. Also the Pelleon/Thrawn mentorship.
BlueLanternBraxx
I miss Seba Sabatyne, and Kyp Durron and Corran Horn...
BluePaladin42
Hello fellow person who doesn't hate Corran! o/
InquisitorBlitz
Gone but not forgotten
BryantTaylor
Diabeticdoginaminefield
This is why the Extended universe is great. It shows the ups and downs of both factions and that it's not so Black and White on who's- 1/2
Diabeticdoginaminefield
- the good guy. But if you only look at the main movies they're just like "Rebels good. Empire/First Order bwad and scarwy." For the empire!
RancidRance
Isn't that what the book Star Wars: Battlefront: Twilight Company was all about?
OverheatedLaptop
Thank you! Surprised I had to scroll down so many comments to find someone pointing this one out.
KingBeardy
That's Rogue One.
Memeceptioningintensifies
So we could sick with the expanded universe and use those gritty novels to write the proper Mandolorian movie? Yuzahn-Vong? Hell yeah I'm in
zanzeh
Star Wars is a PG13 D&D game in space, currently owned by Disney. U will not see complexity like that any time soon.
DickButtRiddick
A lot of things mentioned here can be seen in Star Wars: The Clone Wars and a smidge in Rebels, although it lacks grittiness.
Sapherno11
.....A LOT of the concepts here were covered in the old EU. Just putting that out there.
JediDavid
Nordenfeldt
‘Fire at that base.’ ‘Dude, you missed by like 200 miles, were you out drinking again last night? She won’t come back to you like that.’
benyamun
This kinda sound like "Legends of Galactic Heroes", grand anime, good and bad on all sides
roostercogburn88
Maybe like one space battle....
betrayedgambit
See I have been saying do a band of brothers esque series, but star wars
TheZulthar
Star Wars: Lost Stars by Claudia Gray does alot of this, two kids from the same planet on opposite sides of a war
KateroWolfe
Two friends, not just from the same planet. Easily one of the best reads.
espressoandpostrock
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm gonna pick it up
AKickAssUnicorn
Ive always thought Star Wars could stand to be grittier.
hitlersjuicyhole
That would involve Disney not Disneyfying everything
BarretXIII
yup. humor is fine, but don't insert "lul so random" awkward jokes all over the place. Don't open your "serious" sequel with a phone prank!
GentlemanScientist
First Superman and now Star Wars? When will it end with you people?
Deevanx
Novels written for the Expanded Universe (Now called Legends) are much grittier. Actual writing instead of Lucas and then Disney.
ricklesdee
X-Wing. You want X-Wing.
kylania
Use EotE RPG to play that out exactly how you imagine it. :) https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/star-wars-edge-of-the-empire/
zshreve05
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CraigKrieger
Came here to say the same thing. Tell your own story. It’s always better that way.
FieryWitherRose
If anyone's interested, I can provide all the books for free. I have them all scanned as PDFs
tmcg98
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nemesis7878
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marsuveesblack
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DotTheLurker
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ShrubNinja
I like EotE, but I don't really like the dice system. I feel like it gets hard to quantify difficulty using them sometimes.
saysomethingniceplease
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FlaccidErection
Doot
arocktaco
Fucking .
len3gum
. First dot that was not for porn
Eaglepowerz
Holy shit dude I just got out of a session of that game. Recommend the jewel of yavin campaign it’s pretty good
DoNotWaaaaant
Haha man I just finished GMing a session of Jewel of Yavin with my family. We just finished episode 2. Ton of fun, great campaign
Clos12995
Ty
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
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DukePaulAtreides
Yes, this! The three systems are cross compatible and as far as tabletop RPGs go it is EXTREMELY beginner friendly & lotta fun.
Datrenegadezambie
Saga edition is the tits.
Astrolife75
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henryclairmont
Might have to look at stuff.
AnDanDan
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/h351f05cfxs8y//FFG%20Star%20Wars%20RPG#h351f05cfxs8y Enjoy
AnDanDan
That's basically all the books as PDFs. If you have questions, I've GMd the game several times and would be happy to help
MadKingRyan
Ther three star wars "systems " by FFG, Force and destiny (Jedi shit), age of rebellion (dirty traitors), and edge of the empire (outer rim)
MadKingRyan
And all three "systems" are compatible with each other. For something nitty-gritty I'd recommend picking and pulling from EotE and AoR
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
I believe this is what Coruscant 1313 was supposed explore. Then they cancelled it.
koalatyassurance
Watching the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer made me realize just how much I want a cdprojekt red star wars game
LonelyHumanBoy
AurikNecal
Yeah. But a company with integrity and Disney do not go well with each other.
Radix865
A company without integrity didn't go that well either.
AurikNecal
True, EA has been quite horrible for star wars.
chuglikefox
But that's not star wars, that's something else
Threatonis
no, that IS starwars, that IS the star wars the ones of us who have read the books, the EU all of it, THAT IS STAR WARS.
Raguleader
Especially the part where Han kidnaps Leia and ends up becoming a slave on a feminist fantasy world run by witches.
Harveydanger
It's not like Lucas read any of those books, he just signed off for the check.
TheFriendliestGiant
Star Was is a space fantasy adventure epic that's ultimately straight up Manichean in its separation of Good Guys and Bad Guys.
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pallosalama
Before Disney decided so they were very much canon. CANON, not CANNON
combstranger
The EU includes a story where R5-D4 is a jedi that commits force-suicide, one where Luke loses the Force (which is powered by the Sun) and-
combstranger
joins a blob cult, an adventure in finance on a banking planet, Stinky the Hutt, Evar Orbus and His Galactic Jizz-Wailers,
combstranger
stormtrooper zombies, Chewbacca getting run over by a moon, and Moffs having Mofferences on their Moffships.
gibbon604
there are some cool ideas in here, but more than half of this seems like Imperial apologism tbh
Galdrack
There's a lot of that. I honestly wanted something akin to what happened in the later Gundam series with the new trilogy where the enemy>
Galdrack
becomes the underdogs and it's revealed the "good guys" weren't all that great either. But the more I read of this online the more>
Galdrack
it comes across as like apologism for what was objectively an evil empire based off the Nazi's...
longnNoodleDriver
We got Rogue One but everybody start losing their shit!!!
strideo
As far as I can tell Rogue One is relatively well liked in spite of some flaws.
Hiddenbehindmybeard
rumpyforeskin
pallosalama
Obi-Wan remember what Yoda said!!!! Drunken you are - Drive you shall not!
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Damn rebel tactics
DrPanzerfaustus
I gotta say that I don't mind aliens, but I would like them to be somewhat serious as well.
DavidHoag
I'd like to see more non-humanoid aliens. Like shiny sentient clouds, big blobs, eight-legged crystal turds... whatever. Just no more us.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
I like Ithorians
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Did you know that Ithorian Jedi have this Force Roar thing where they can basically Fus Ro Dah out of all four of their throats at once?
gregthegrug
I just wan to see an alien used more than once. There is so many it just isn’t interesting.
Locolarue
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Noghri/Legends
TheExpensiveBikeRide
True. The aliens are always fucking clown shoes.
Plates
There's some that can be played seriously. The Mon Calamari had some pretty interesting backstory from the expanded universe. Plus the 1/2
Plates
tall-necked guys who made the clones in the prequels. Kalmidorans or something like that? They weren't comic relief at all. 2/2
ElbowDeepInMythicalCreatures
Why not have aliens be serious like the attack on endor?
Chickenbuttholeremover
You mean the Ewok adventure movie, Battle for Endor?
BengalCat
iamkarlpilkington
Fuck these little rolled up socks with a face
ThisIsMyRealAccount
Aren't there hundreds of books and comics and graphic novels that cover this stuff?
Yinyang107
BluePaladin42
From a fan perspective, you can choose whichever canon you want. I have (largely) enjoyed the new movies, but I prefer Legends still.
MerToo
Sure, but it would be nice if someone threw a billion dollars worth of CGI at them.
PourUnMondeMeilleur
Exactly my thoughts. The books and comics that the disney fanboys have rejected all cover this stuff.
MoltarsGhost
With the exception of the Rogue Squadron and a few other stories, the EU was mostly wacky garbage.
pallosalama
Thrawn trilogy... Ever heard...?
MoltarsGhost
I was waiting for this, that's why I said a few others. Also Thrawn is canon, just a different story arc.
BluePaladin42
Anything by Aaron Alliston was going to be pretty swell, even if part of an overall garbage arc.
ShadowScorch
Yeah. Until Disney decided it wasn't canon.
Qualtagh
They're still there. Canon doesn't control how you interact with a franchise.
StoicJ
Any story that doesnt interact with the star wars characters or make any significant universe changes could be cannon enough to enjoy
pallosalama
Canon dude. Not cannon. Canon, like the camera. Not like the weapon.
StoicJ
I.E Slice of Life stories focused on characters not otherwise in the movies and their time in the Empire
GrossIncandescence
You could read some of the books. Start with the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn, or the Republic Commando books?
thisistheguy
Who are those by?
babababaBirdbirdbirdbirdistheword
Alliances is basically that as well... pre Thrawn (the book)
battery1979
I really wish we could get another Imperial Commando book. I want to know what happened to Darman.
fandsor
You know, I tried the Thrawn series and I got about halfway into the first book and gave up. It was boring. Is it really that good?
pallosalama
Yes, they are. But not for everyone, of course.
NeoHelios
Yup, this! But no, Disney know that big money comes from dumbed-down explostainment, so we'll never see a thought-provoking EU movie. 1/2
NeoHelios
the most "thought provoking" they care to foster is the provocative controversy surrounding political correctness. :( :( :( :( :(
Galdrack
I mean they made a movie with a diverse cast, it was the shithead fans (specifically the shithead ones) that made anything of a PC issue.
pallosalama
It's almost hilariously sad how the whole Expanded Universe worldbuilding was just swept under rug and made non-canon in a heartbeat
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
They're cherrypicking what they want out of it, mostly dave filoni grabbing stuff for the animated shows
Galdrack
A lot of it was garbage so I don't mind them starting anew. I would've liked if they kept more of the parts I liked but that's personal pref
LikeAMfingSorcerer
Star Wars Rebels and Rogue One...?
marquismarky
Thank you!
onlyhalfghost
Let's not forget the excellent game Republic Commando, though it's in the wrong era for what OP's on about.
Waterman1
Exactly what I was thinking.. Especially with rebels.
Niveama
Agent Kallus had such a brilliant character arc, from hard core Imperial to confronting his own demons and switching allegiance
Sauroctonus
And they want a terrorist Rebel, we have Saw Gerrera and the Partisans.
TheDementation
I dont. Its called space opera for a reason. Its fiction. Dont try and turn it into a gritty war drama.
espressoandpostrock
Instead let's turn it into another bland Hollywood blockbuster
TheDementation
Blockbuster infers they made a lot of money ergo a lot of people saw it. I might agree with you, but your comments show a lack of understand
espressoandpostrock
You know what I mean, pedant
TheDementation
Thanks for proving my point dickhead
Galdrack
I agree with this in large parts but if you're making a long running franchise it'd do to have a lot more variance and flavour to it>
Galdrack
a lot of the EU novels were more detailed and some gritty since that's what people wanted when going deeper into the universe. Though >
Galdrack
I don't want all of the Star Wars movies to be a dark grit-fest either. If Disney do want to make them for the next 100 years I really>
Galdrack
hope they don't stick to a basic formula like with Marvel.
Raguleader
Wasn't this basically Rogue One, with elements of TFA?
rememberthatonetimeyeahmeneither
Honestly sounds like Avatar to me
butteredtoast789
you need to see the CLone wars series if you havent alreadt; look up the playlist thats just about the troopers
GadenKerensky
Man, the best parts of that show were always to do with the actual Clone Wars, and the Clones that fought them.
SFMGifs
The Umbara series... that was just messed up at times. That scene with clones killing clones and The moment you realized it
butteredtoast789
this is why dave feloni needs to be in charge of writing star wars and kevin feige needs to produce
dangerousDoc
TFA didn't even get close to ti and Rogue went half way there before the second director changed it a bit
redmangc
More of second scene of Solo
espressoandpostrock
Rogue One just missed the mark a bit. I really liked the feel of it but it wasn't very memorable
dangerousDoc
It did have two directors KK kicked out the old one for being TOO gritty.
AgainstMethod
If New Hope had been made today, people would have hated it.
espressoandpostrock
ANH was wonky for a million reasons, but it still aged better than R1 will
Inkliest
A bit, yeah. I think a Star Wars series done like GoT would be really interesting.
Raguleader
"The Jedi Council sends their regards."
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Except Rogue One was awful and Finn was the bumbling comic relief.
StillNotapotato
Finn wasn’t in Rogue One? Did you mean The Force Awakens?
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Yes reread the comment. They mentioned TFA
Raguleader
To be fair, your comment is comment #56 of a long list of replies to what was evidently a very controversial observation lol
StillNotapotato
Oh shit my bad, I didn’t realize your comment was addressing it like that, I thought you meant “...comic relief” IN Rogue One
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Apparently everyone else did too.
meh0729
Yeah, but they probably want a good movie this time.
FistfulOfAssholes
And a bit of Solo
JudgementalMan
Don't know who downvoted you, that bit about poor kids joining the Empire is basically Han's origin.
FistfulOfAssholes
Cuz people are salty and want to hate it, and I dared point out it wasn’t terrible.
Shreksleftnut
Must be why I liked it so much. Make it rated R and you have my attention.
Raguleader
Let's get us some SW sex scenes and find out what cussing sounds like in a galaxy far far away.
ireplysometimes
Yeah Rogue One is fantastic
CyborgScribe
They probably would never be willing to take the cut in profit to release it R rated.
ChosenChaos
Deadpool and Logan showed that R-rated movies can be profitable. They just have to be *good* R-rated movies and not mindless gorefests
DanTheStanMan
It worked for Deadpool. They might just.
OriginaIPoster
The problem with rouge one is that they made both sides evil and left it at that. They never do anything with it.
dangerousDoc
Its more of shades of gray.
Imalwaysready
One of many problems.
Alfa66andres
Thats the beauty of it i think. Rebels are always portrayed as heroes but they show the dark side of what is pretty much a terrorist group
OriginaIPoster
I mean they didn't try to potray them as "bad". They were bad and then they killed the badder guys and we all go home happy.
BlastFingerton
The Death Star was its own city. Thousands of innocents (bar/restaurant owners, day cares, etc.) were killed when the Rebels blew it up.
mulligylan
well, it was called the "Death Star" so thats what happened to the innocents
MerToo
yeah yeah we still executed McVeigh
Imalwaysready
Any contractor working on that Death Star knew the risk involved; if they got killed, it's their own fault.
ydwyrd
strideo
None of that is shown in the movie. Not private ownership of any facility. Not children being present. It's all portrayed like a big 1/
strideo
battleship or military vessel. I think the audience could speculate on it but none of that seems canon to the actual film. 2/2
chiefs86
How could there not be, though? It's literally the size of a moon, with hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of personnel.
chiefs86
(3) the Empire military trying to provide all of that.
chiefs86
(2) When you get right down to it, having civilian contractors for recreation/food/etc would be the obvious approach rather than have...
YourFavoriteFriend
yeah well alderaan was a whole planet full of cities. the difference being the ones on the DEATH star knowingly participates in genocide
dontforgettolookbehindyou
I mean, I'm pretty sure a vast majority of the DS's inhabitants only knew it was a space station of some sort.
ydwyrd
"Ever wonder why this totally peaceful installation staffed by the military and the Emperor's main enforcer has "death" in the name?" "Nah."
dontforgettolookbehindyou
AFAIK, it was only called like, the 'deep space battle station' or something like that. Never the 'Death Star'