How's it taste ya'all down south, watching them serve you up the pile of ash and urine that was once the constitution and legal rights. Still think throwing 'court orders' and legal roadblocks at them is gonna bother them? Stand up and demand trump get removed from office. All of you, even the damn fox news brainrot crew who still desires NOT to be in a Nazi state. Vote down the Diaper clad clown.
What they are doing odds wrong but have they emptied the prisons of the actual convicted felons that are actual illegal’s that are doing their time for the crimes that they caught and are in state prisons that get deported after their sentence is finished? Instead our going after actual is citizens.
i have a lot of discussions with people saying that political violence isnt the solution, but weve had our right eroding away incredibly fast. They want to have the ability to hide their faces, not identify themselves and do a search without probable cause. Naw, its just a matter of time till these clowns start getting shot at, you cant keep pushing people like this and not expect something to happen.
If I remember correctly, they were in Texas and were stopped at a customs inspection stop, which do exist many miles from the border. And it has been found legal that federal customs officers can stop and search vehicles for drugs and contraband, certainly regardless of the drivers/passengers being white and aggrieved.
This was never about criminals or illegal immigration. It was always about harming and disrupting minority communities to send a message that you are not welcome in white America.
It was a matter of time before they started targeting American citizens, because they have a quota to meet, and they sure as shit ain't going after actually dangerous illegal immigrants to do so. Even if they did, I doubt there are enough of them to meet any kind of quota.
That's exactly right. And the Trump claim of there being millions of undocumented immigrants who have also committed violent crimes was totally false. Such a person, if caught, is going to be screwed--imprisoned then deported. Their crime rate is much smaller than for American citizens. So, ICE has to prey upon ANYONE who fits their racial profile. Even Americans. This is fascism.
What about the *GANGS* Crypts, MS13, Bandito's, Mongols etc.. Why they don't go after them? Because they will be SHOT DEAD! Easy pickings. They know where each individual gang member lives. Mortgage a set of BALLS & go clean up the worst of what you pontificate about being deportable.
at which point will American citizens start using that 2nd amendment right? because things seem pretty tyrannical now and I've always heard people argue in favor of the 2nd A that that's exactly what it's for.
Something I will never understand is why it seems to be standard practice for pigs to just repeat the same question time after time after time after time. When they aren't satisfied with the answer provided or the person refuses to answer and repeatedly tells them that, their reaction is to just ask the same thing over and over again. I'm sure it's some interrogation technique and there's a "reason." But to me it's repeating the same thing and expecting a different result. Bullying & harassment
They're making it clear they have the power to steal time from you, and often they can try to make those around you think you're a criminal if you kick up a stink. If you don't just cooperate they will waste your time detaining you
"Bullying & harassment" yes it is that. They know they have the power in the situation and the person will eventually just give up and go along with what they want. If they don't give up, that is when the handcuffs come out and oops bruises.
in an actual criminal investigation it serves to verify the witness/victim/suspects statement, because people tend to fill in gaps with made up stuff which is dangerous, also they have to make sure the entire investigation holds up in court when the person gets questioned there...so they go through the persons statements several times to check if the person starts changing their story or maybe contradicts themselves...but that should not happen during a routine traffic stop or when crossing a >
> border, there its just ask the standard questions and done, you need to actually have a real suspicion before starting an investigation and real questioning...its ridiculous what is going on in the US, as always somehow...<<<
SCOTUS recently ruled it's legal again to racially profile suspects. SCOTUS was on the line back in 2016. So this is the effect of what happened 10 years ago, Trumps 1st term. Imagine what the effect is going to be 10 years from now from Trumps 2nd term. You're in for a ride !
Step 1: Trump Dies in office Step 2: JD Vance becomes President Step 3: Vance chooses some Trump kid VP Step 4: Vance steps down (or is removed) Step 5: New Trump Potus names another Trump kid VP
I'm very worried about a chain of dictators, but I'm not worried that any of the other Trumps will be the ones at the helm. Ivanka will be closest to power, but I don't think she'll get any closer than she already is.
Thats the fun part. Since they don't believe that undocumented get due process anyone they pick up doesn't get to see a lawyer. So without due process you don't get to stand before a judge and prove you are a citizen without outside intervention.
You don't need to be born in the US to be a US citizen. That's what the whole naturalization process is about. The US allows dual citizenship. You can be BOTH a Mexican citizen AND a US citizen.
The question shouldn't even fucking come up, because it's absolutely useless and irrelevant.
The reason they're asking it is because the next step in the chain is to go after naturalized citizens. They want to couch citizenship purely on where you were born. Mark my words.
Indeed. Words Have Meaning Mexican = Mexican National Hispanic/Latin(x) = US National Most of the guys I went to high school with would probably have said something like... "Hell yes, I'm a Mexican! Let me help you out. I'm a Beaner. I'm a Cholo, ese - but I ain't no wetback, mannnn, and puta madre for suggesting it, cabrón. I was born in San José. You know...the one in CALIFORNIA."
Also that "I said I'm a citizen (of Mexico)?" is straight out of My Cousin Vinny. Do not use question inflection when making a statement which is not what you mean if that inflection is disregarded.
Sadly, it's the nature of people in the US to identify themselves with whatever ancestry they belong to. As someone from another country, it's weird as hell, but it seems to be common over there.
American born citizens will openly state how they are German, or Italian, or Mexican, even if they've never set a foot in those countries.
Because once upon a time you could wear your ancestry with pride because America is a melting pot of the world. Of course there's always been white supremacists looking to put down non-whites but that didn't stop us from acknowledging our roots. Not to mention it gives a clearer indicator of your culture because America doesn't really have one.
As part of my job, I have to ask people their race, which is what most people are identifying with when they say this stuff. That said, people seem to mix race and nationality up, it's silly the number of white people who tell me they're "American", to which I have to follow up with "native American?" or "American is not a race"
It's not that weird actually if your lifestyle fully still incorporates the culture of that nation. Your ethnicity is something you're allowed to be proud of. You're conflating ethnicity and nationality.
Especially for minorities, it often stems from being identified by others by your origin. For example as a Hispanic person, you get asked where you're from. Answering with "America" results in further questions, boiling down to being identified by ancestral origin to the point of just accepting that as the "correct" response. Just like mexican-american is a made up term to lessen the amercian-ness of a person of color.
Here's the thing though. MAGA/ICE might not even care whether it's you or your parents that were here illegally. This guy says he was born here, but his parents are Mexican. Are his parents illegal? MAGA/ICE won't care if he was technically born here, because his parents are illegal and thus he is illegal too and they'll deport all those scary brown "criminals". AKA they really don't care if you're illegal or "illegal-adjacent" etc.
I didn't say that. I said ICE will not care if he personally is legal if his parents are not. He makes sure to specify he was born here, but says his parents are Mexican. ICE could easily take that as the parents are illegal and throw him in the back of a van.
Racial profiling, racism, and that good old terrible guilty feeling of KNOWING that youre doing the fucked up shit the nazis did right before invading other places and genociding millions
Because ICE has no legal right to detain or arrest US citizens, and if they do, they are outside of their purview and mandate so qualified immunity doesn't apply.
Qualified immunity only applies in the direct and lawful pursuit of work duties any law enforcement person who steps outside those lines becomes personally liable for their actions.
a cop arrests you when you are drunk at a bar and you get hurt because you fight back. Covered. ICE knowingly arresting US citizens... Not covered.
Well it won't, crappy consumer level AI can already face ID me and my friends in winter when we wear face coverings and such and match them to the rest of our photos without all those things.
That does not preclude cowardice, he's a traitor for sure but he's too afraid to stand for it. He's afraid of the social (and possible not so social) repercussions. But then cowardice and treason often go hand in hand.
They did in 1931 and 1932 and a bit in 1933 but after that it stopped. Same thing is going to happen in USA. Soon ICE will not have to hide their faces anymore because it will be illegal to talk to ICE agents or something.
AtmaDarkwolf
How's it taste ya'all down south, watching them serve you up the pile of ash and urine that was once the constitution and legal rights. Still think throwing 'court orders' and legal roadblocks at them is gonna bother them? Stand up and demand trump get removed from office. All of you, even the damn fox news brainrot crew who still desires NOT to be in a Nazi state. Vote down the Diaper clad clown.
Renza0
cant help but think that second guy would have either broken bones or a bullet in him if he had a darker skin tone
somebackup
This won't change until Americans start executing ice agents en masse.
skynap
a tree, a rope, an ICE neck
kjbopp
Welcome to the, "United States of MAGA" :o(
Niagaran
On a tangent, those 'stitches' where someone just makes faces at the camera, they add nothing of value.
youreathing
Most social media adds nothing of value.
Peden1
American freedom is weird
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Hovencl00f
He doesn't look particularly Mexican to me. Not that the goon had a right to stop him.
gorillaClutch
I'd like to quote Ron white in this situation. "My name is fuck you. Spelled f u c k CAPITAL Y o u. Fuck you."
ilikepot8os
Funny, he doesn't look Asian...
Roaddog184
What they are doing odds wrong but have they emptied the prisons of the actual convicted felons that are actual illegal’s that are doing their time for the crimes that they caught and are in state prisons that get deported after their sentence is finished? Instead our going after actual is citizens.
psmith00
yes, America has graduated to the "let me see your papers." stage. you have no rights, no due process, no protections.
RCSpotz
Don't talk!
TaviRus
He needs to call 911 and report armed individuals impersonating police officers.
lightfoot2
Your. Papers. Please.
xizar
https://www.southernborder.org/100_mile_border_enforcement_zone
GeorgeCostabaplaps
Why don't more people shoot these cunts in the face? Their life is over when these ICE cunts decide, why shouldn't the public decide when they die?
drpain522
i have a lot of discussions with people saying that political violence isnt the solution, but weve had our right eroding away incredibly fast. They want to have the ability to hide their faces, not identify themselves and do a search without probable cause. Naw, its just a matter of time till these clowns start getting shot at, you cant keep pushing people like this and not expect something to happen.
TammoNL
The second part is years old and had something to do with people trying to cross a border.. Not with the current ICE situation
Firestar002
Language still applies today.
SlowboatToShortbus
If I remember correctly, they were in Texas and were stopped at a customs inspection stop, which do exist many miles from the border. And it has been found legal that federal customs officers can stop and search vehicles for drugs and contraband, certainly regardless of the drivers/passengers being white and aggrieved.
sevenfingerman
“Papers please”
IlCastradore
Glory to arstotzka
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Vee vould like to zee your papers, please.
makesense
Be careful saying you don't have to say 'anything'. Many states do require you to identify yourself upon request (dependent on the situation).
sadurdaynight
To police. Not to ICE.
sadurdaynight
Do you have a warrant with my name on it? No? Then fuck off, bc you're on an illegal fishing trip.
Dawgsarethebestpeople
Everything that makes their nazi job more difficult is a good thing, just be 120% obnoxious about anything they want.
Firestar002
I mean, it’s worked for Republicans right? lol.
thedarkcanuck
One of these days these cunts are going to roll up on the wrong car and get shot square in the face
necessity
That's what the Nazis are banking on to assume more power. I'm shocked that it has taken this long.
Mindcrime
They're escalating even without the justification of violent resistence.
DukePhelan
And the only question I will have is why it took so damn long.
XXXSpork
This was never about criminals or illegal immigration. It was always about harming and disrupting minority communities to send a message that you are not welcome in white America.
camn333
It was a matter of time before they started targeting American citizens, because they have a quota to meet, and they sure as shit ain't going after actually dangerous illegal immigrants to do so. Even if they did, I doubt there are enough of them to meet any kind of quota.
Goldensands
Yes that times called like a fking year ago
cytherians
"THEY HAVE A QUOTA TO MEET."
That's exactly right. And the Trump claim of there being millions of undocumented immigrants who have also committed violent crimes was totally false. Such a person, if caught, is going to be screwed--imprisoned then deported. Their crime rate is much smaller than for American citizens. So, ICE has to prey upon ANYONE who fits their racial profile. Even Americans. This is fascism.
BullittGT
This is fucking crazy, I hope a mf'er does this to me. So damn pissed off at our country right now. Fascist pigs.
DunnowForgot
They've been doing this for months, clearly the message hasn't reached everyone yet though.
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
What about the *GANGS* Crypts, MS13, Bandito's, Mongols etc.. Why they don't go after them? Because they will be SHOT DEAD! Easy pickings. They know where each individual gang member lives. Mortgage a set of BALLS & go clean up the worst of what you pontificate about being deportable.
slightlybrokenegg
They have been since day one
vldd
at which point will American citizens start using that 2nd amendment right? because things seem pretty tyrannical now and I've always heard people argue in favor of the 2nd A that that's exactly what it's for.
NicronusPrime
They've already kidnapped dozens and dozens of american citizens. It's a matter of time? No, dude, that time is long gone.
AShartInTheWind
Exactly, they did this shit back in the 30s too when the mass deportations happened during the depression.
RooGryphon
Show me your face and I'll show you my id otherwise fuck off nazi
Gryphonosiris
"Show me your face, and your badge number".
mjperk
Something I will never understand is why it seems to be standard practice for pigs to just repeat the same question time after time after time after time. When they aren't satisfied with the answer provided or the person refuses to answer and repeatedly tells them that, their reaction is to just ask the same thing over and over again. I'm sure it's some interrogation technique and there's a "reason." But to me it's repeating the same thing and expecting a different result. Bullying & harassment
sadurdaynight
They're making it clear they have the power to steal time from you, and often they can try to make those around you think you're a criminal if you kick up a stink. If you don't just cooperate they will waste your time detaining you
BullittGT
It's their bullshit tactics and it's fucking stupid and annoying as fuck.
Leaps
"Bullying & harassment" yes it is that. They know they have the power in the situation and the person will eventually just give up and go along with what they want. If they don't give up, that is when the handcuffs come out and oops bruises.
RecurringNightmare
in an actual criminal investigation it serves to verify the witness/victim/suspects statement, because people tend to fill in gaps with made up stuff which is dangerous, also they have to make sure the entire investigation holds up in court when the person gets questioned there...so they go through the persons statements several times to check if the person starts changing their story or maybe contradicts themselves...but that should not happen during a routine traffic stop or when crossing a >
RecurringNightmare
> border, there its just ask the standard questions and done, you need to actually have a real suspicion before starting an investigation and real questioning...its ridiculous what is going on in the US, as always somehow...<<<
GrandmasterSpank
SCOTUS recently ruled it's legal again to racially profile suspects. SCOTUS was on the line back in 2016. So this is the effect of what happened 10 years ago, Trumps 1st term. Imagine what the effect is going to be 10 years from now from Trumps 2nd term. You're in for a ride !
ilikepot8os
And just to reiterate how assassin that ruling is, law enforcement can use your race to arrest you, but colleges can't use it to help you.
"(The law is) Powerless to help you, not to harm you" Chief Wiggum
gesel
There won't be any more anti-Trump voters in the US than there are anti-Kim voters in the DPRK.
GrandmasterSpank
Thats the future of the USA and I seriously don't understand why Americans are not more worried about this....
gesel
We are. It may be just that not enough people are ready to volunteer to be part of America's Tienanmen yet.
Mxlespxles
You mean I 10 years during Trumps 4th terms because they're stealing our country from under us
whereismymind86
Well, no, because there is no way that rancid sack of cholesterol lives another nine years
GrandmasterSpank
Pretty sure he'll be dead by 2036
pete8772
You better put down the pipe if you think that walking scrotum will live another ten years.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Well, they didn't say _which_ Trump.
whereismymind86
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Step 1: Trump Dies in office
Step 2: JD Vance becomes President
Step 3: Vance chooses some Trump kid VP
Step 4: Vance steps down (or is removed)
Step 5: New Trump Potus names another Trump kid VP
delecti
I'm very worried about a chain of dictators, but I'm not worried that any of the other Trumps will be the ones at the helm. Ivanka will be closest to power, but I don't think she'll get any closer than she already is.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Depends on how well the can transfer the MAGA cult to the next figure head. They could do it more easily to someone with the Trump name.
MrFancyPanzer
Saying youre Mexican might be an unfortunate slip in these times.
Gibleteousjack
Chess
sakasiru
Yeah dude, just shut up and demand a lawyer. Do not talk to these guys!
Onebigcanuck
Thats the fun part. Since they don't believe that undocumented get due process anyone they pick up doesn't get to see a lawyer. So without due process you don't get to stand before a judge and prove you are a citizen without outside intervention.
cytherians
He should've said "I'm of Mexican heritage, born in the USA. I am a US citizen."
LoudBirb
You don't need to be born in the US to be a US citizen. That's what the whole naturalization process is about. The US allows dual citizenship. You can be BOTH a Mexican citizen AND a US citizen.
The question shouldn't even fucking come up, because it's absolutely useless and irrelevant.
The reason they're asking it is because the next step in the chain is to go after naturalized citizens. They want to couch citizenship purely on where you were born. Mark my words.
WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
Ya no kidding. People who are a citizen of America should just say they are american
TomahawkJackson
Indeed. Words Have Meaning
Mexican = Mexican National
Hispanic/Latin(x) = US National
Most of the guys I went to high school with would probably have said something like...
"Hell yes, I'm a Mexican! Let me help you out. I'm a Beaner. I'm a Cholo, ese - but I ain't no wetback, mannnn, and puta madre for suggesting it, cabrón. I was born in San José. You know...the one in CALIFORNIA."
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Especially saying yes when asked if he was a mexican *national*, oof.
LoudBirb
The US allows people to have dual citizenship. You can legally be both a Mexican citizen and a US citizen. Born in one and naturalized in the other.
It's very telling that the question was even asked. They're making it plain and clear that they want to go after naturalized citizens next.
Frederf
Also that "I said I'm a citizen (of Mexico)?" is straight out of My Cousin Vinny. Do not use question inflection when making a statement which is not what you mean if that inflection is disregarded.
PrincessWasabi
But also it might make them hesitate the next time they see a “Mexican” cause he probably made an impact in their pea brains
talomox14
It won't. At all.
PrincessWasabi
:(
Trustinlies
Unfortunately you are right. If they were that kind of person, they would hesitate to begin with.
camn333
Sadly, it's the nature of people in the US to identify themselves with whatever ancestry they belong to. As someone from another country, it's weird as hell, but it seems to be common over there.
American born citizens will openly state how they are German, or Italian, or Mexican, even if they've never set a foot in those countries.
Midgarmerc
Because once upon a time you could wear your ancestry with pride because America is a melting pot of the world. Of course there's always been white supremacists looking to put down non-whites but that didn't stop us from acknowledging our roots. Not to mention it gives a clearer indicator of your culture because America doesn't really have one.
Cptbluebeard7
As part of my job, I have to ask people their race, which is what most people are identifying with when they say this stuff. That said, people seem to mix race and nationality up, it's silly the number of white people who tell me they're "American", to which I have to follow up with "native American?" or "American is not a race"
threepotatoesinatrenchcoat
Yeah, it took me a while to get used to that when I moved here too
afroniner
It's not that weird actually if your lifestyle fully still incorporates the culture of that nation. Your ethnicity is something you're allowed to be proud of. You're conflating ethnicity and nationality.
larndt31411
Especially for minorities, it often stems from being identified by others by your origin. For example as a Hispanic person, you get asked where you're from. Answering with "America" results in further questions, boiling down to being identified by ancestral origin to the point of just accepting that as the "correct" response. Just like mexican-american is a made up term to lessen the amercian-ness of a person of color.
thotterpop
"but where are you from-from? But where are your parents from? But where are their parents from? Ah, I knew it- you're Mexican!"
PrincessWasabi
This ^ this so much.
MCFLYYY
Here's the thing though. MAGA/ICE might not even care whether it's you or your parents that were here illegally. This guy says he was born here, but his parents are Mexican. Are his parents illegal? MAGA/ICE won't care if he was technically born here, because his parents are illegal and thus he is illegal too and they'll deport all those scary brown "criminals". AKA they really don't care if you're illegal or "illegal-adjacent" etc.
johnxbear
So you assume his parents are illegal?
larndt31411
Not the point he was trying to make, just that ICE tries to get as many people as they can for any reason they can
MCFLYYY
I didn't say that. I said ICE will not care if he personally is legal if his parents are not. He makes sure to specify he was born here, but says his parents are Mexican. ICE could easily take that as the parents are illegal and throw him in the back of a van.
PrincessWasabi
It’s totally normal if you still practice the language, culture, foods, and holidays abroad. America is a blend of immigrant traditions
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Except the food, never put American Italian food in front of a real Italian and expect praise.
Tho as a Swede it do be neat that a few areas settled by our kin still speaks (tbf broken) ye olde Swedish in America.
PrincessWasabi
I’ve had surprisingly authentic Lebanese, Indian, Ethiopian, Mexican, Turkish, and Cuban food in the states ! I think it depends
Snowman25
Why is the fucker hiding his face?
Shmotzel
Give him a break he's probably suffocating or so I've heard
GreenMnM
Racial profiling, racism, and that good old terrible guilty feeling of KNOWING that youre doing the fucked up shit the nazis did right before invading other places and genociding millions
arthlvias
You should be asking why the woman agent isn't. Clearly she didn't get the memo about their dress code. Fucking bitches the lot of them.
LordHosk
Many states have passed laws now that say law enforcement is not allowed to wear masks while carrying out regular duty.
BishlamekGurpgork
It's what you do when you're breaking the law.
PunnyTiger
because he knows he is comitting crimes
lostwalllet
Fuck ugly.
datphone777365
Hiding the lack of chin. Or abundance of habsburg chin.
Sorcatarius
Because even the KKK realized if people knew who they were, they'd get targeted.
KoalaOnTheJuice
Crimes and stuff.
LordHosk
Because ICE has no legal right to detain or arrest US citizens, and if they do, they are outside of their purview and mandate so qualified immunity doesn't apply.
Qualified immunity only applies in the direct and lawful pursuit of work duties any law enforcement person who steps outside those lines becomes personally liable for their actions.
a cop arrests you when you are drunk at a bar and you get hurt because you fight back. Covered. ICE knowingly arresting US citizens... Not covered.
2graves
Qualified immunity for police is complete BS as well and should go away
WireWynaut
Because they think it'll protect them from the trials after this administration is in shackles.
SaltySlugs
Well it won't, crappy consumer level AI can already face ID me and my friends in winter when we wear face coverings and such and match them to the rest of our photos without all those things.
BullittGT
Ohh, I am praying for that day to come.
porphyre1e00
Got pulled over about 15 years ago and the cop told me to take off my sunglasses cause he wanted to see my eyes.
Now, I'm thinking about putting some N95's in the car so I can hide my face too
SandpaperCock
Because he's a goddamn coward
thisisagreatusernamedontworryitswonderful
Im convinced that's not it. These guys are all for sure from American nazi orgs and are trying to hide that fact for as long as possible
Bollramm
No!
He's a fucking traitor!
YouCanCallMeAnything
He's both.
SandpaperCock
That does not preclude cowardice, he's a traitor for sure but he's too afraid to stand for it. He's afraid of the social (and possible not so social) repercussions. But then cowardice and treason often go hand in hand.
GrandmasterSpank
Would you not if you were doing crimes against humanity?
Morganelefay
Well, proper Nazis from 1940s Germany didn't hide their faces...
GrandmasterSpank
They did in 1931 and 1932 and a bit in 1933 but after that it stopped. Same thing is going to happen in USA. Soon ICE will not have to hide their faces anymore because it will be illegal to talk to ICE agents or something.
Snowman25
I'd not work in that job, TBH
GrandmasterSpank
Good !