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First the monkey on the left gets a piece of cucumber after giving the trainer a rock.
Then the monkey on the right does the exact same ting. Gives the trainer a rock, but is rewarded with a grape.
Monkey Rages at the Injustice of Receiving a Cucumber
The monkey on the right sees this and also wants a grape. It does the task, but receives only a piece of cucumber.
Clear frustrashion can be observed. It rattles the cage and slams its hand on the table (reasonable response I must say).
Then it performs the task again, but first checks the rock by banging it on the wall. Is it a good rock? It decides that it is, but still receives only a cucumber.
The reaction is the same and this shows that monkeys have the ability to understand fairness. As a biologist I find this very fascinating.
Check out the original video. Its not just interesting, but also very funny. From TED talks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
frecklesirish
As a psyc grad, this is awesome! Reward systems in learning are so interesting
Sandytoo
That is very sad to me.
toomanycatsoknotenoughcats
Anyone else feel kinda bad for the monkeys? All he wants is a grape! GIVE HIM THE GRAPE! :(
iESH
That does not display fairness.
LetsMakeSomeBadChoices
Plot twist: Monkey that received grape had patent for rock.
jluia
This is straight up fascinating
DutchProfessor
Thank you, I will use this in one of my lectures.
edgykitty
One of my professors used it in a lecture. It was the most entertaining part of the class yet.
DancingOnMyOwnnnnn
LET THE MONKEYS GO!
ChicagoBadger
Don't take medicine!
PriscillaYvonne
*frustration
ohnoanotherputz
I'M MAD AS HELL AND I DON'T WANT CUCUMBERS ANYMORE!
DarkStar1
This is why "planet of the apes" you know.
boonbringer
The funny thing is....if both monkeys had cucumbers, neither would be unhappy. Perspective changes things
doIneedoneofthesenamestogetupvotes
somebody PLEASE make #3 into an upvote gif
JustAddButter
Interestingly, sometimes the monkey who got a grape would share, but not always. Frans de Waal - love him and his research!
chocolatedisco
That little cucumber throw at the end gets me. "FUCK THIS FUCK YOU TAKE YOUR CUC BACK"
nokittythatsmypotpie
what does it say about me that i might prefer a piece of cucumber to a grape would i make a bad monkey
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Nah, of course they tested first what food each individual preferred!
ikmbaa
LIKE ANYONE PREFERS CUCUMBER ..
TowerJunkie
At least take him to dinner. He likes to be wined and dine after he's been FUCKED
braidedbelt
Basement Jaxx has scarred me for life... Cannot enjoy this post at all. http://youtu.be/5rAOyh7YmEc
germoid
Oh shit! I remember music videos! do they still make those?
CoconutCyclone
Well. I hope you realize that we are now mortal enemies. I will be murdering you shortly.
requiredfield
This seems a whole lot more like jealousy than fairness.
Pizza7
Economists did this with money, really interesting, the monkeys learned to manage it. It all ended with a Monkey paying another for sex.
lollylolly
wait this actually makes me kinda sad
eedathinks
I feel bad for the monkey.
SirusKing
Why? Its not very cruel to the animal and it is treated well outside testing.
Centroid
I studied primate behavioral biology and I can say that these little guys have a SERIOUS emotional, behavioral, and societal complexity.
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Can confirm.
TheDarkPotato
Can you tell me why it didn't like the cucumber?
Centroid
Because monkeys like grapes better and so does everyone else.
ohsillyus
Even the green sour ones?
KingsAndQueens
I love how he chucks it back
UpvotesForCalicos
"The fuck this shit, bitch?"
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Such sass!!
LearningOnImgur
It's just like what a spoiled kid would do. Cindy loved her Iphone3...until she saw Sue's Iphone4. Now she hates her Iphone3.
sarcasticguy
that third gif makes me chuckle
goodguyC
He has great accuracy!
Sakkura
I laughed so hard when I saw it.
Matoversik
Two monkeys*
ihateladders
Love ted talks, feel horrible for monkeys.
stutteringbob
Has anyone thought, that just maybe, the cucumber really sucked?
FlightoftheBumbleBear
poor tings
infectiousentity
Two monkeys, one grape.
spyderjay
Also: "The monkey on the right sees this and also wants a grape"... Should be left =P
Matoversik
Damn. You are absolutely right.
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Good description of the experiments OP, although I'm surprised so many people hadn't seen it yet. It's 10 years old and on the inet forever.
baronridiculous
This was an experiment in giving Imgur residents bad grammar to see how they would react. Here, have a grape.
Matoversik
Of course. I deliberately made a lot of errors to see if the content was front page-worthy on its own. *ehm* Totally on purpose
baronridiculous
Very cunning.
AlsoKnownAsRukh
WTF is this shit, man? You gave reddit TWO grapes. This is ridiculous!
baronridiculous
Observe how the Imgurite hoots and rattles the bars. It seems to actually have a sense of fairness!
AlsoKnownAsRukh
Oh I'll show you fairness! Where's the rest of that cucumber?
rubycube
FYI: Different video/monkeys, same experiment, also awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgC91kcmN0
rubycube
It's worth the four minutes, I swear.
Branahauk
Wasn't there a similar experiment where the monkeys would actually share food with each other, the one feeling guilty for receiving more?
hopethisisarelevantname
But what happens when there are 12 monkeys?
DeadlyRicochet
Planet of the Apes
BrassKicker
Planet of the Grapes
LeadByBadExample
Viruses happen.
EricsWaltz
What about the hundredth monkey?
BenderBendingRodriguez
Brad Pitt happens
waitwhereamI
And Bruce Willis.
Randomlythoughupnicknameinordertocommentonposts
I think this or a similar experiment was also mentioned in SuperFreakonomics or Freakonomics.
whooshby
Dogs know about fairness, also.
lizzieskwrl
TIL grapes are worth more than cukes in the monkey world. This will be useful... later...
ikmbaa
THATS PRETTY MUCH TEH CASE EVERYWHERE THOUGH, XCEPT FOR KAPPAS
whitechocolatethunda
*Looks at cucumber* .."The fuck is this? You tryin to fuck me, lady? FUCK YOU TAKE YOUR CUCUMBER BACK"
ElectronMagnifier
i gave you this rock, it's the most fucking beautiful rock you'll ever see, and you give me a cucumber
OlympicLlama
At least take me out to dinner before because I like to be whined and dined before I get fucked!!
riddlenigma
THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS, LADY!
thundrlipz
that was Melissa's cucumber!
lacole725
Call the cops because you're trying to fuck little monkeys. (Eric Cartman voice)
falconpuawnch
If your going to fuck me at least buy condoms so that you can fuck me safely!
GregCrasnow
"You know who I am? I'm the capuchin that's gonna burn your house down. With the cucumber."
Zephyrya
They ARE being tested...
BloodyRackham
He is, the One who Knocks.
dumbsonny
This lady will rue the day she gives Capuchin Johnson cucumbers!
StyleSavvyCupcak3
Mygirlfriends80085
http://singleblink.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/threw-it-on-the-ground.gif
nation543
i like cucumbers....
blitherypoop
Me too...but grapes are better.
funzies
Oh god, I laughed so hard at this. today you win ma'am/sir.idk.
jg594
You're breakin my balls hear lady
ayjayn
THIS ISNT AN ORGANIC CUCUMBER, ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME ?
WowSuchDoge
IS THIS EVEN GLUTEN FREE ? GODAMMIT AMY WHAT THE FUCK ?
ayjayn
JESUS CHRIST YOU MONSTER ITS LIKE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME
WowSuchDoge
*slams hand on desk violently*
ayjayn
*SHAKES FIST IN CAPLOCK RAGE*
TheForerunner
This just makes me think of Cartman. Lol
HerHighnessMySpleen
www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/other/grand/quotFuck_Mequot_Eric_Cartman_cc96d0d68fe729d34735b4f9d2d429cc.gif
maddubokbro
Do I look like a bitch? Then why are you trying to fuck me like one? Sorry. Just watched Pulp Fiction again.
cooplander
"This is not gourmet shit." - Monkey on the left
LoneDirewolf
"Is it a good rock." Poor monkeys. For those interested, Harry Harlows experiments with monkeys are also extremely fascinating but sad.
CarmenBonkalot
Reply only to find post ibn the future
cinnewyn
I already feel sad about the monkey checking to make sure it was a good rock. Like he was thinking "Is it me? Am I doing something wrong?"
JupiterJ
Right? I feel so bad for that monkey :-(
goingcrazy
I wrote a paper on that for an undergrad social class, and it just made me depressed.
exerticusnovem
Could you do a Harry Harlows imgur thingy?
FastandBiCurious
What are they?
LoneDirewolf
It's around 4 minutes long, http://youtu.be/_O60TYAIgC4
Terannosaurusrex
AND .....why I hate behavioral research
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
This is from a long time ago and western countries have very strict regulations so that's nothing to worry about anymore.
LeSpaceCadette
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Vahlek
Watched that in psych lecture, very interesting stuff but also walked out feeling crappy. Although, after Harlow and co. realised the (1/2)
Vahlek
cruelty, they at least tried to rehabilitate them. Don't know how successful it was though. Still, those poor monkeys (2/2)
zZCr0wZz
Im really tempted to look it up but I really dont feel like being sad tonight
msbilliejean
It's sad because of the way the baby monkeys respond to "strange" environments after they have established secure/insecure attachments
SpaghettiGiver
It involves baby monkeys being separated from their mothers. Otherwise no physical torture or anything.
LoneDirewolf
It's just goes to show how much you can be messed up if you're not loved
imanuglystinkyllama
There were some severe psychological consequences from it though.
LoneDirewolf
It's not graphic, just heartbreaking http://youtu.be/_O60TYAIgC4
Spongybunny
I've read about this experiment and it was sad, but watching the video was just upsetting on a whole new level. Poor monkeys.
MrSirNobody
And poor humans too :(
KlaatuBaradaMumbleMumble
I understand why they are doing the experiments, but why is it always so shocking to people that animals understand things?
msbilliejean
Well, most of the psych experiments back in the 20th century were used to deduce things about human nature or our cognitive abilities
droomph
Because for the longest time, "God created Man in his own image". Now not to say anything about anything else, but yeah.
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
It works both ways. From my experience, people either overestimate or underestimate the mental capacities of animals. Science news is vital!
OHmymischief
you can overestimate their capacities if you compare them to us, which is unfair really. they are perfectly able in their own environment.
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Depends what you look at. Even pigeons are better than humans at mental rotation (knowing which image is a rotated form of the example)!
OHmymischief
YES! thank you for that, been feeling like that for so long.
kimadactyl
And further, do they ever test to see if they like being experimented on?
snowy129
This is why experiments must be ethical and not cruel.
imnotgoingtodebateyoujerry
From the video: "This is pretty much the Occupy Wall Street movement."
TheDarkPotato
Let me tell you that the smells are probably the same.
krallisawesome
I dunno, both monkeys did the same work, now if one worked and got cucumber and one did no work and got 3 tons of pineapple...
LIXOsoundstorm
Except OWS was a bunch of kids protesting because they don't have jobs (and a fair amount of insane people)
shadowex3
That's what the six multinational megacorporations who own 90% of all american media told you about the people protesting them...
LIXOsoundstorm
Thaaaaat... And looking at them. With my eyes.
Edumicationfication
Or the OWS forums. I spent a couple months BSing and debating on there. I was told I "had a silver spoon in my mouth" because I had a job.
shadowex3
We're still in the middle of the worst economic breakdown since the great depression. an enormous portion of the pop. is still in poverty.
shadowex3
In this economy having a job, especially a safe job, and especially a GOOD job, IS having a silver spoon in your mouth.
TOPHthegreatestearthbender
YOU GIVE THAT MONKEY A GRAPE NOW!
Thirdy
fucking brutal animal testing !
Roski
As a Biologist, that monkey will never get the grape. This is both good science and fucking heartbreaking.
TOPHthegreatestearthbender
as a biology major in college, I know. :'(
BingleyBingleyBeep
Or, y'know, don't, because that would defeat the object of the experiment.
vicjang
Exactly what I wanted to say, lol. Take my +1
Darklinkuk
My thoughts exactly!
reasonstodoit
TIL I would be a bad primate researcher.
cooplander
I CAN SEE THOSE MOTHERFUCKING GRAPES! WHAT THE FUCK BITCH! I SAID GRAPE! NOT GREEN DILDO!!
hellafordays
I was yelling this while watching.
FingolfinHighKingoftheNoldor
I wouldn't be able to give that monkey a cucumber after it checked to make sure it was a good rock
afrofrycook
Science is a harsh mistress.
hellafordays
I know right? Aw, this rock is lovely, here are all the grapes ever.
RainbowRoses
I love this website
Aceofspades627
NO IT MUST SUFFER AS WE SUFFER!
LtCmmdrData
that would destroy the entire experiment.
Jovejove
That's full on animal cruelty. They're tormenting an animal by mind fucking it. This is coming from someone who loves meat, leather and fur.
LtCmmdrData
Well hopefully once they finished they gave him all the grapes his cute little monkey mouth could hold and more!
Rolli13
BUT IT WOULD MAKE A HAPPY MONKEY!!! And it wouldn't matter if the experiment was already finished. Unless there was more after this...
LtCmmdrData
I totes agree. Once the experiment is done, give that monkey ALL the grapes!
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Yes there was more, one trial is never enough!
twisti
"So what's your job?" - "I treat monkeys unfairly to see if they get jealous for 8 hours a day"
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Yes, but you can make an job look stupid like that. And in essence psychologists do stuff like that with people too.