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Probably a repost since everything is on this site, but still it's a good point to remember. Fighting hate with hate never works
Feb 12, 2016 4:58 AM
kscrim
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Probably a repost since everything is on this site, but still it's a good point to remember. Fighting hate with hate never works
tst5000
"to get your ego and slashed"
AgainstMethod
If that dude doesn't get the difference between finding someone attractive and catcalling or Sexualizing, he's doing it wrong.
kiwisi
Holy crap there's some offensive piece of shits in the comments section.
Rocksarefuckingmajestic
I hate discussing with people on the internet because you'll never win and kinda want to punch them in the face
Kiore
I really don't think many people need reminding that young and unstable people aren't fonts of wisdom on complex social issues but cheers
miapierce
yep
Mooseman1991
I don't normally make FP...but when I do....it's for an overly dramatic post to make up for the fact that I don't get laid.
sirinigo
Reposting it here probably doesn't work either. But at least you get fake internet pointe.
AgainstMethod
Feminism is so much easier to dismiss if you pick poorly argued points, huh?
PersonalityFire
Oh my god, people. Educate yourself on what rape culture is: http://badassdigest.com/2013/11/14/we-need-to-change-how-we-talk-about-rape/
MattDerKomponist
I think there's a middle ground to be reached... Both of these arguments seem a little exaggerated.
GarikEast
"A feminist got angry and wrote stupid shit along with the smart shit we desperately need to listen to as a society? Haha feminism is lame."
ButterscotchSquats
lol why she mad tho
ciarusvh
We call it culture because it's not about single acts which might be insignificant. It's when all those things together make life 1/2
ciarusvh
2/2 and everything in it feel somehow more threatening just because I have boobs.
liliputian7
Yeah, and I'm threatened because I own expensive things and theivery exists. Crime will fucking occur. Protect yourself, for God's sakes.
Acornlad
LOL hahahah you are so right. Just like murder exists, same with identity theft. Just like bad people exist.
liliputian7
That's correct. Bad people exist, so make sure they don't affect you. You can't stop shit like rape and murder.
MyFatBaby
TIL Trump is brain-raping me by imposing his idiocy into my ears. My ears don't belong to you Trump!
thetrulymaddog1134
Your ears should not have dressed in such a provocative manner.
BrotherofTheNightsWatch
Amen! Preach baby!
Shamorza
If it's a legitimate rape, the human ear has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
snakeeyes
Ah, so that's why my ears start bleeding whenever I hear him speaking.
PyrosHaveMoreFun
I mean, here it kinda does-- turn off the tv!
somenumbers
Well played.
GreenSscythe
I understood this reference
AMartianPotato
SOME feminists hate male heterosexuality. This kind makes all feminists look bad but they're not all like this. In fact most aren't.
liliputian7
Prove it.
wigglefluffticklebum
This is about as feminist as Al queda is Muslim.
Vosian
Well, Al Qaeda IS Muslim. They are made up of Muslims and use scripture from the Quran to justify their actions.
AMartianPotato
True, and these people ARE feminists. They're just extreme, angry and irrational and in my opinion go about it in entirely the wrong way.
liliputian7
At least you didn't "no-true-scotsman" us
octo8
As a heterosexual male, equating my sexuality with catcalls is just plain offensive. Male heterosexuality doesn't need to include catcalls.
carson9910
Come on guys, there's a difference between cat calling and flirting. Literally ask any women, we have all experienced both.
MrRgrs
That's quite the generalization to claim that all women have experienced this problem, also to generalize that guys have not.
TomtheVisionary
Most women have experienced this at least once in their life. Go ask some
AdoIfHitIer
Lots of people say there's no difference between catcalling and flirting as long as it's from a man to a woman. That's the problem.
NoMeatBigfeetIEATWOOD
You keep saying that, but I think you're referring to crazies, not the greater majority of feminists.
AdoIfHitIer
Yes, I am. There are still lots of crazies and I wish there weren't. But fuck me.
pimpmyquasar
The two are not separate groups.
NoMeatBigfeetIEATWOOD
So a crazy person can't take up a cause without the entire cause being labeled? That's just silly.
pimpmyquasar
No true Scotsman much?
theysaidtherewouldbecats
My boyfriend was followed while he was running by a group of girls to his apartment, but good luck having him call the police for that
NoMeatBigfeetIEATWOOD
I winked at a cutie at the gym. She laughed, we talked. She was a cool feminist and we had a good chat about what makes guys 'creepy'.
AdoIfHitIer
Congratulations on being attractive. Gold star (not the Jewish kind this time).
NoMeatBigfeetIEATWOOD
Oh, I'm not attractive. I'm maybe a 5.
LordMitchimus
Just because some feminists are insane doesn't mean we can justify some of these things. Catcalling IS demeaning and rude and makes women
LordMitchimus
Feel unsafe. It's wrong for a dude (yes I'm a man) to assume that those things aren't real problems. Rape, no. But it still isn't good.
StephanieWasTheTrueVillainOfLazyTown
My girlfriend keeps getting catcalled, and she says it's utterly humiliating and makes her feel really unsafe. It's more than just rude.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
I'm glad that you understand what she's saying about that. It is the humiliation that is the worst part.
MarieAmberwood
I have found that responding confidently works. I can't tell you how many guys I've called out on the mat for approaching me in such a way.
MarieAmberwood
They normally act embarrassed and apologize. If you're interested approach me like a gentleman, not a hooligan.
Bloominfreckles
Can you give an example? Friends and I have responded confidently and it often escalates.
Bloominfreckles
Or they just yell "fuck you"....meh.
MarieAmberwood
One time I got the heeeeey mami approach. I stopped walking, turned to them and as loudly as possible was like "has that shit ever worked?!
MarieAmberwood
You think calling a women like she's an animal is gonna get you laid?? How about you approach me like a damn man and start a conversation
Wombatant
But it's still not rape though.
Padowan
It's all black and white right? Blanket statements for everyone!
almog86
Blanket statements for some, miniature American flags for others.
TheTurboToaster
We could make a kickass blanket fort with all the blanket statements being throw around.
Kneeandrtall
I created an account so that I could upvote this comment.
cocoakoumori
Why black and white? Why are you opposing your binary view of race on everyone else? Jeez, bigot. (kidding! kidding!)
bootninja
s/opposing/imposing/
cocoakoumori
I obviously can't type in the morning. Though thank you.
octoberr
Women against feminism? How cringy.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
even if the original post is some feminist bul crap
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
everytime i see this type of stuff, i get the thought of 'omg look at me i'm such a boy's girl, i'm not like the other girls',
RobertNAdams
Source: http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/04/09/82-percent-of-americans-dont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/ (2/2)
liliputian7
It's cringy if you're so narrow-minded that you think that if someone doesn't call themselves a feminist they HAVE to be anti-women.
liliputian7
False fucking dichotomy, really. I'm a fucking humanitarian and egalitarian, not a fucking 'feminist'. What a load of neo-prog bullshit.
RobertNAdams
82% of Americans don't consider themselves feminists, and I suspect that middle reply is a big reason as to why. (1/2)
liliputian7
It's absolutely okay to not be a feminist. Women have all the rights men have in the Western world. Feminism is unnecessary.
Studentloanscansuckmydick
Story Time: Im a relatively strong female (squat 250+, bench press 120+). My boyfriend and I often play-wrestle and I often feel like (1/?)
Studentloanscansuckmydick
I'm holding my own...right up to the moment when he decides he's done letting me win. Then he can literally do whatever he wants with (2/?)
Studentloanscansuckmydick
Me and my body (of course he never takes advantage of this knowledge. We have clearly established limits). Let me tell you, once you (3/?)
Studentloanscansuckmydick
Realize that 40% of the adult population (assuming I could hold my own with 20% of men) could physically overwhelm you easily, it (4/?)
Studentloanscansuckmydick
Becomes much easier to take such verbally aggressive expressions of desire as threatening, and often downright terrifying. (5/5)
Yukonbumbleses
So how the hell do I get my cat back in the house tonight?
Kabba
Best
TumblrFeminist
Sexual assault
canibFrank
Well for goodness' sake, don't call her.
MiasmaCorrigan
Shake the food bag?
UpsetFace
How I get my dogs to do anyfucking thing.
fearandloathebananas
Don't know, but you can surely blame the patriarchy when you fail.
Husqvarnic
Food on the porch.
PurpleAid
Carefully
ninjagaidensigma
Look to the nearest feminist for assistance.
ldragons
Classic
PervyAesSedai
Have your mom spread her legs?
SteveLookather
Easily as long as you're willing to risk getting your throat sLaShEdededes
GeneralLazerKittenSadness
I don't know Yukonbumblesses I don't know
nuclearchicken
Lol
Cere4l
Have you tried a trail of katnip? experience says this leads to cats comming in your house
SSgtObvious
I tried that once... My cat just sat at the beginning of the trail, got stoned, and sat looking at the sky all night like an idiot!
Cere4l
Why didnt you bond with it by smoking a nice bong and looking at the same sky.
SSgtObvious
Because, my cat and I were in the basement....
Cere4l
ok, so you might have required a different kind of drug. THINK IN SOLUTIONS MAN, NOT PROBLEMS
jameskucera
Have a catnip bush in the yard. Every so often there is a cat party like the high school friends parents that are cool about smoking weed.
shimmyshimmyyashimmyyamshimmyyay
Oh so you think that you can replace catcalling with drugging these poor helpless beings you monster!
Cere4l
i think every sentient being should be able to make that choice for itself! cats are clearly sentient, they know theyre gods.. think atleast
ProneHub
I upvoted your comment to 1000 and it went down to 997 im so fucking sorry
Yukonbumbleses
The effort is appreciated... Banana for you friend.... For scale
ProneHub
Yay!
soupisforwinners
I think per OP, rape.
FiatLuxIam
The best answer.
kscrim
Lol omg take the upvote
IsSnatchPaleo
Feminist here that has no problem with male heterosexuality. Just sayin'.
Bloominfreckles
Right. Because most feminists don't. It's unfair to constantly harp about the extremists of the movement.
RobertNAdams
It's unfair, but it's not unreasonable when these are the ones that get attention in a lot of media outlets and online. If this is all (1/2)
RobertNAdams
people see of feminism in their daily lives what would expect to happen? More "reasonable" feminists need to call this shit out. (2/2)
Bloominfreckles
They do. People just don't upvote it to FP.
BugJuiceComesFromWhoYouAre
Because you're a real feminist. Imgur doesn't know what that is. They like to post & whine about Misandrists in order to discredit feminism
RobertNAdams
Is she a true Scotsman, though? How about that? There's no "membership card" for feminism. There's no overarching, governing body. (1/3)
RobertNAdams
People can't even agree on a definition of it. If someone says they're a feminist, you have to take them at their word, even if (2/3)
RobertNAdams
you disagree with how they do it. Call out bad ideas for what they are or you're gonna find your movement associated with loons. (3/3)
BugJuiceComesFromWhoYouAre
Gender equality. If you reallllly can't accept that as the definition, you are being willfully ignorant.
RobertNAdams
Who said I didn't? I genuinely believe there's feminists who believe that. But there's also ones who say shit like "Kill all men" & mean it.
Nueth
Does anyone want to attempt a reasonable discussion about the points brought up in that tumblr post or are we all going to be too emotional?
flamingflamingo
Depends on which point you're referring to. I'm not emotional, but I do feel like outrage culture is a joke.
bentwrenches
My$.02. I used to cat call. Mostly on the beach to scantily clad girls. I discovered I wasn't getting laid. Changed my ways.
bentwrenches
Bam! 140 characters without even trying lmaoams.
miapierce
congrats for becoming a better person :)
keeponyrmeanside
It's shite that the fact that it wasn't working made you change your ways rather than the fact that you might have been intimidating women.
bentwrenches
I was young and stupid. And that was more of a joke than anything really.
Nueth
See thats the part that concerns me. That it was a joke, I'm glad you changed your ways. But it can be v scarey and some men find that funny
bentwrenches
Never meant to scare anyone.
Nueth
Did you think catcalling would get you something?
bentwrenches
Eh, yes and no.
Nueth
Go on....
margaretolson
I'm a woman (and consider myself a feminist *ducks*) & I don't think there's anything wrong with checking out someone you find attractive 1/
margaretolson
but catcalling is gross. It's been happening to me since I was 12/13 and it can be very scary/intimidating. I even had some men follow me 2/
margaretolson
3/in their car once. Slowed down and opened a door and invited me in (I was 10ft from my house). It was terrifying
aModestSlayerTeddyBear
At that point, it changes from catcalling to stalking/luring. next time take a quick snapshot of the licence plate and run.
margaretolson
I didn't even have a cell phone yet :( I just kept my distance and then bolted to my house.
datbundoe
That one time I was 13, walking home down a dirt road alone, when 2 old men in a truck slammed on their breaks to back up and leer at me :/
margaretolson
That is TERRIFYING. *hugs*
jenniferbarkley
I do! I don't think the original poster really understands the concept of rape culture.
Nueth
I agree with you in terms of the tumblr. The person who replied did so in a poor manner. I am assuming this is what OP was trying to say.
jenniferbarkley
Yes, I agree. And everyone in that tumblr thread sucks in their own special and unique way.
Nueth
http://www.theskinny.co.uk/sexuality/deviance/gentlemen-prefer-bland tangent that might interest you rather than circlejerk
thegeeksshallinherittheearth
I don't always find catcalling threatening but it often makes me uncomfortable and depending on the situation fairly unsafe
Nueth
The only time I'm fairly comfortable with being catcalled is when I am in cosplay, and on my way to the con. Normal clothes theres no reason
HappyEngineer
Yeah, then you've clearly made a deliberate effort to wear something worth commenting on, rather than just trying to look nice for yourself
HappyEngineer
Catcalling is a symptom, it implies a certain attitude towards women i.e. the man feels justified in interrupting their day for attention
thegeeksshallinherittheearth
True, and it does not reflect any sort of respect for the subject of the catcall
Acornlad
Usually the people catcalling are people who have nothing going for them. I would call it desperation.
darearkin
This is the internet. What do YOU think.
Nueth
I am still young enough and foolish enough to hope.
darearkin
Don't worry. That'll get crushed outta you soon.
halcyon240
Compliments =/= catcalls & harassment. Compliments are meant to make someone feel good while catcalls makes us feel unsafe.
MrRgrs
Did someone say they were the same thing? I'm missing what this is in response to.
BornToDoStuff
I have gotten catcalled as a guy... it feels awkward and it was probably really mild compared to what happens the other way around.
DontNeedaReasontoHateYou
If I don't know you, I don't want your compliments. Still comes across creepy. The chick in this post is a thundercunt though.
flamingflamingo
Speak for yourself. Catcalls might make you feel unsafe. They make me feel objectified at worst, but then I MOVE ON WITH MY DAY.
Acornlad
Good job, you aren't a whiny sensitive bitch like half the people on this pussy ass site.
flamingflamingo
Jesus christ it's infuriating. People get on about this but ultimately it's all just a ploy for attention and validation.
miapierce
I commend both of you for your sensibleness :)
bewarethebearr
It took me a long time to get to that point. They can feel scary. Good for you for being able to do this but it's not easy.
flamingflamingo
It's absolutely easy. What isn't easy is generalized social anxiety, which many people have, but pretending it's victimization is wrong.
bewarethebearr
Social anxiety is not what causes me to be afraid when a large grown man yells something about wanting to fuck me when I'm alone at night.
flamingflamingo
And this is where we end the conversation because I'm not acknowledging this made-up bullshit.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
have some empathy. they don't frightnen you, but ehy might frigthen somebody else. callingthem a pussy only makes the problem worst
flamingflamingo
I didn't call them anything. But there's a fine line between having empathy and enabling bad behavior.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
and don't you think that by moving on, you're enabling the behaviour of the cat caller?
flamingflamingo
I'm doing the exact opposite of that. Enabling means that you essentially give them what they want and encourage them to keep doing it. Just
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
@Studentloanscansuckmydick sums it up nicely
flamingflamingo
What she's describing is essentially being a woman. It's what we all feel, all the time, but a disadvantage isn't traumatic and horrifying.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
i'm not saying it's traumatic and horifying. i'm saying that it's frightning to hae a gourp of men screaing at you for nor eason
flamingflamingo
I've been catcalled at, and "a group of men screaming at you for no reason" is not an accurate description of that.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
Good distinction. I don't mind if a guy compliments me. But a catcall feels...intrusive, like he is attempting to humiliate me in some way
TKBarbus
So how do you draw the line between them? When does it stop being a complement and start being a catcall?
kapp70
When sugar pie is replaced with sugar tits.
halcyon240
Yup. I for one love compliments. Catcalls are just degrading.
hugjob
It does draw everyone's attention to you and make you feel like suddenly your legs in a skirt are somehow more naked than a dude in shorts.
hugjob
The argument that it's flattering ignores the way it actually makes people feel, which is like a lesser person who is ashamed of her body
AssBall
As much as you're right, the person in the post mentioned that it's rude, however not rape or rape culture
AssBall
Sexual harassment? DefinItely
icameinlikeafeckingball
It’s a fine line. An isolated incident of sexual harassment that nobody else per sé approves of isn’t rape culture. Telling women not (1)
DwigtSchrude
sadly though, it seems complimenting a woman/girl is starting to be seen as being "creepy"
DoctorSchmoctor
It highly depends on how it's done.
tinybackpack
2/2 "Hey, you're really good at snowboarding" or "Your hair is a pretty color" then that's nice.
tinybackpack
Well if you break into someone's house and whisper, "You're beautiful" in their ear, it's creepy. But if you politely say something like 1/
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
That is so funny...you described the distinction so well! :)
somethingdark
Well stop being ugly then.
TKBarbus
Truuuuu
nebbulae
Oh, of course. No wonder this wasn't working.
christh1zz1
What is it called when I find you attractive and then don't cat call or compliment because I'm terrible at talking to females?
GoodEyeSniper1
shy
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
It's called polite and respectful. I sympathize - I had trouble talking to guys, took a lot of practice to get social interaction right.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
It isn't an easy world out there for people who feel they aren't good at talking to people they want to get to know, is it??
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
I say X. X is meant as compliment, but it makes you feel unsafe. My compliment was harassment in the eye of the beholder, which counts.
bewarethebearr
It's pretty easy to distinguish between a compliment and a catcall. Intent is the key here. Be smart and considerate with your words
CometRelief
Compliment: You carry yourself in a very confident way that's inspirational to others. Harrassment: Giiiirl, you lookin foine today! Mm-mm!
Crispiecat
Exactly! And as a woman sometimes not accepting a "compliment" is met with hostility or even violence. You never know sometimes!
Crispiecat
And by "not accepting," I mean, "not sufficiently acknowledging to the donor of said 'compliment'."
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
I can't upvote this enough.
theysaidtherewouldbecats
I guess I would have to see the distinction, as my friend had "lookin' good" shouted at her and she felt that was threatening.
TomtheVisionary
because it is. A compliment is 'You look lovely today', a catcall is shouting lookin good at you from across the street, notice me bitch
theysaidtherewouldbecats
Ok but I am a woman and I do this to other women passing on the street because I think they look nice. I'm not trying to rape them.
AdoIfHitIer
Problem is that there are people who say compliments from a man to a woman always count as catcalls.
halcyon240
yeah but I don't think that's the majority. Being a woman, i've had my fair share of catcalls. While some of them are kinda funny, the (1/2)
halcyon240
majority are scary. Women feel constantly threatened. It just in the society we live in.
AdoIfHitIer
Fucked that sentence up between my two comments, but you get it.
AdoIfHitIer
violent crime more often than men are.
Waaahmbulance
Sexually violent crimes, Yes
AdoIfHitIer
Why do women feel constantly threatened? Not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious as to why. I don't think women are more often victims of
halcyon240
not, to be cliche, but this fits http://www.buzzfeed.com/juliegerstein/29-things-women-avoid-doing-out-of-fear-for-our-safety#.wovKRn5bn
CometRelief
It's not about how you would feel if the same thing happened to you, but understanding the other person if you had their circumstances
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
go look at @Studentloanscansuckmydick comment chain. sums it up real nice.
PentagramDreams
Right cause when I ignore catcalls an keep walking I get "f**k you b***h, I'll beat the s**t out of you!" Isn't threatening at all.
theysaidtherewouldbecats
Well then that's harassment and a threat and you can call the police.
deltajesus
Nobody here's saying that catcalling and all that shit is ok, it's just that it ain't rape.
fistthemwithfire
yes, but that isn't catcalling anymore, that's straight up threatening
halcyon240
Seriously
atobi16
You are in the wrong town ma'am.
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sVAMP
Better yet, tell them to stop resisting.
wigglefluffticklebum
You should report that to the police, it's harassment.
TomtheVisionary
Yup I'll just report it to the cops & the jerk will just walk away and nothing with happen
wigglefluffticklebum
Or not report it and definitely nothing will happen.
fdgftajhgdajgjgfajkahg
If that actually happens to you, you should call the police, too bad it doesn't
Vosian
Not to be rude, but what part of town are you walking around, exactly, to get that? Is it frequent? What type of men are doing it?
Fatikis42
Too bad you have never heard that in your life.
flamingflamingo
I genuinely don't believe that has ever happened to you.
CometRelief
If not to her then me. I can record the guy for you that's given a few "bitch can't take a f*** compliment" around my workplace.
wigglefluffticklebum
So that's one guy. 3 billion left.
wolfgangundgeorg
...isn't the second part, the threatening one, illegal in your country?
Ihmhi
Direct threats like that are illegal in most Western nations.
theysaidtherewouldbecats
It's illegal in the US, people just don't know you can call the police about it
TeeFour
Yeah, try telling a police officer about it and see all the good it does.
Lockerd
where the hell do you live where the police don't react to an in person threat? they may not be able to do much but they can certainly check
exactlyhalfofan11poundblackforestham
I'm in the US, and one time a guy on the bus groped and then threatened me when I moved away from him. The police told me to be more careful
Lockerd
yea, unless he was within view and or you had his information, they can't really do much else. it's sad I know but its being worked on
BalianMoony
This is so painfully accurate
pimpmyquasar
Citation please. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
gingerayyIe
The only citation you need is to be a semi attractive girl and go out to some bad part of San Jose or Atlanta and see what happens.
Waaahmbulance
Only these are extraordinary claims darling, these are anecdotal and can be confirmed by every woman alive
pimpmyquasar
They're anecdotal, I agree that far. You don't speak for all women. They're not a collective, and you are not their appointed representative
Waaahmbulance
Are not
mudderfuck
Woman here, can confirm.
pimpmyquasar
Great. Now for the other 3.5 billion women in the world to all agree with you. Good luck.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
Anyone who equates rape and rape culture just didn't listen. Rape culture ENABLES rape. Rape culture FINDS EXCUSES for rape.
wigglefluffticklebum
Rape is bad.
liliputian7
m'kay
liliputian7
And America isn't a rape culture because it doesn't enable rape. Rapists are put in prison and hated by the public.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
Except when they're not. "She was asking for it", "But he's her boyfriend!", "She's lucky someone wants to have sex with her at all," etc.
liliputian7
Yeah, I'm sure that's the majority voice oh wait no the vast majority is appropriately upset about rape because rape is BAD
Acornlad
So would you consider a society that punishes rape and that is appalled by rape a rape culture? I wouldn't call that enabling.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
Does that society also ask what she was wearing at the time? Blame women who walk alone after dark? Blame her for being drunk?
Acornlad
Then the people who believe we have a rape culture point towards these small instances and then generalize a society of 345 million people.
Acornlad
I don't think any federal/state level institution blames the victim. I don't know personally anyone who blames the victim.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
And if you don't know anyone, and you don't think so, it doesn't exist?
Acornlad
No, I'm not. But if you believe its cultural I would expect to know someone who blames the victim. Cause thats the definition of culture.
Acornlad
Its not society asking those questions. Its people. A few people who gain a lot of attention.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
No, it's society. Police. Lawyers. Judges. Juries.
Acornlad
Give me an example. And the reason some of the questions are asked are to find suspects and understand the crime that was committed.
Acornlad
Where do you think a rape culture exists?
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
Among people who say "If she didn't want to have sex with him she wouldn't have asked him to come in".
Acornlad
I don't know where you see instances of this. Can I get a source where this occurs on such a wide scale that it can be seen as cultural?
liliputian7
To be fair, a rape culture exists in places like Saudi Arabia and Iraq, where gang-rape is considered a casual men's activity. Taharrush
Acornlad
I agree with you. In places where there is systematic oppression of women through Sharia law and rape occurs daily.
liliputian7
Rape occurs daily everywhere. That's not good, but it's not indicative of rape culture.
ProjectKurtz
This. Some middle eastern and asian cultures have rape culture. Really, anywhere that women are viewed as property.
liliputian7
And you know where that's not? ... The US and UK
ProjectKurtz
Agreed.
hugjob
Anywhere that people argue that it's OK to objectify women and then get angry when they don't think comments about their body are flattering
Acornlad
And its funny because I have gotten about three different definitions of rape culture. So there is no true definition.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
If you discard a sociological concept because imgurians can't explain it to you in 140 chars you have very high thoughts of us. Thanks!
Acornlad
Or you can split it up into multiple messages if someone really does care to tell me.
Acornlad
Men are objectified as well. Objectification isn't taught either, but is used a mechanism to promote things. It goes both ways.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
Men are sometimes objectified. Men are rarely—if ever—insulted or threatened when they try to avoid being objectified.
Acornlad
Men are objectified all the time in media. So many commercials objectify men.
Thefluffernutter
Technically sexualizing and objectifying a woman is part of rape culture (though it is not rape) as it is dehumanizing and makes it easier 1
liliputian7
AAaaaaaand men are objectified, too. It's going to happen, everywhere, all the time, forever. Fucking deal with it.
Fatikis42
100% accurate. Sexualization is natural and needed. It has nothing to do with objectification.
liliputian7
And you don't know where to draw the line, do you? Of course not. Because you'll think any female sexualization is objectification.
liliputian7
Well, not YOU. You're making sense, I think.
Thefluffernutter
Men are sexualized, they are not objectified to NEARLY the same degree as women are especially in advertising.
Fatikis42
*citation needed*
Thefluffernutter
To view that person as an object to use at your whom whichever way you choose. 2/2
Fatikis42
Technically you are actually retarded. Please go to the middle east or India where rape culture is real.
jenniferbarkley
I am sick of this argument. Just because an issue is worse in another society does not make it non-existent in our society.
Thefluffernutter
Said like someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
Fatikis42
Or said by someone that has done extensive research on the topic. You people are despicable. There are individuals that actually go through
Fatikis42
rape, and live in rape cultures. It is fucking sick that you would compare actual rape culture with your petty bullshit.
Thefluffernutter
You clearly are not reading a word that I type. If you want to talk this out then you send me a PM but only do so if you are 1
Thefluffernutter
I mean, you do realize that the term "rape culture" was CREATED to describe the United States, right?
Thefluffernutter
actually HAS studied this area academically, doing a google search doesn't count as "extensive research".
Thefluffernutter
willing to use your damn brain and think rather than lashing out because you refuse to understand what I am saying. Also as someone who 2
ShawnaRamsey
It might not be rape culture but it's still unnecessary, and in some cases very scary.
KnightHawk8520
My girlfriend was followed home one time by a creep and he didn't touch her or anything but it was still terrifying
liliputian7
No one is advocating for cat-calls
Eldibs
Depends on how it's done.
HappyEngineer
Compare it to a bum asking for change. The request is reasonable but if a group of men shout it across the street it can be scary. //
HappyEngineer
Plus if they feel comfortable and justified to publicly demand your time/money it says something about the power balance between you
pimpmyquasar
Yes. Because homeless people on the street asking for money have power over you...
HappyEngineer
I think you missed my point. Yelling a demand across the road is different to asking nicely.
SisterSinister
Some of them can be. I had a punk demand a cigarette off me and his whole body language said "gimme or else"....
pimpmyquasar
So, like for any women who feel threatened, the solution is to carry on walking, and if the person continues to aggress you, call the police
WinstonChurchmountain
The rudeness, yes. But expressing that I find you physically attractive shouldn't be scary (except by me because I suck at expressing myself
IronicUsername
Think of it like this. You're in a forest. You encounter a bear. The bear notices you, walks over, and start sniffing all around you. [1]
IronicUsername
imagine that's what it can feel like for a woman when a stranger starts making sexual comments. [3]
nightowlRN
When people keep expressing it when you make it clear you aren't receptive it gets scary very quickly.
WinstonChurchmountain
At that point, it's no longer just "expressing", it's pressuring. Which I find to be quite scurry.
nightowlRN
Sadly many people don't see the difference.
lordsmish
No but shouting it at a lone woman probably is.
IWantToGoToAWaterPark
This is the problem. A stranger catcalling you is not taken as a compliment, especially when out alone. It can be very intimidating
WinstonChurchmountain
I think that falls under "rudeness", no?
lordsmish
Still scary though
keeponyrmeanside
The boob staring thing is rude but catcalling is intimidating and scary, which goes way beyond rude.
Mtumbe
Kinda think that is far beyond the category in which we find "putting your bag on a seat on the tube".
WinstonChurchmountain
Not really. Categories can be quite large, with categories and spectrums within.
IronicUsername
You know bears don't typically attack humans but this one's shown an interest in you and you have little chance if it gets physical. I [2]
Bloominfreckles
THISSS
Thekingofbeans
well yeah that's the point. No one is saying it's good, but let's not go so far as equating it to rape.
hugjob
I love how two tumblrites equate it to rape and all the wizards flip their shit about their right to make lewd remarks and snap creepshots
Thekingofbeans
Not about their right, just about how rape is a very strong word and it shouldn't be used lightly.
johnvictor
It diminishes rape and the victims of just the same as the opposite side.
Bloominfreckles
Rape culture doesn't compare harassment to rape. It accepts those behaviours, leading to a culture that accepts rape, and blames victims.
Acornlad
So you are saying we live in a rape culture?
Bloominfreckles
I wasn't saying that, but yes, that is correct.
Thefluffernutter
that if you don't want trouble from men" or you see advertisements that use the body parts of women but not whole people to sell a product 3
Thefluffernutter
Aspects of rape culture include, objectification/sexy alizarin of groups likely to be targeted, victim blaming, and excusing bad behavior 1
Thefluffernutter
With phrases like "boys will be boys". We definitely surrounded by rape culture. Every time you see someone say "you shouldn't be wearing 2
QuestionablyHatefulGiraffe
I was sexually harassed from 4-8 grade and that's all teachers said. As far as reaching hands down my shirt, up my skirt during class.
Thefluffernutter
You are witnessing rape culture at work. 4/4
Acornlad
So rape culture essentially has nothing to do with rape? If people aren't being hurt or harassed, then it shouldn't matter.
Acornlad
And I don't think anyone in their right mind within the United States Court of law would blame the victim. Its severely punished.
Acornlad
A rape culture would be a culture that allows rapes to go unpunished and victim blames. Western civilization doesn't do this.
Acornlad
And what is wrong with the objectification of women and men to sell a product? Sex sells and it helps promote a product. Its not illegal.
Acornlad
If anything, places under Sharia Law are places where there is a rape culture.