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MyNameIsFriday
Our 2 party system is a bowl of crap, looking at itself in a mirror - Lewis Black
aurifex
I am gonna start a new radical politica The truth is one red baloon, unless you are Nena, then there are 99 of them in Germany somewhere.
fencerman
Both parties are flawed, but implying they're equal is batshit crazy. There is nothing close to a Democrat version of Trump or Cruz.
zeusdemigod131
Someone remind me the problem with Socialism? It seems to work well for Europe
AristotelianLogos
Please come back you glorious human being...
soupsis
You are an idiot if you can't tell that one of the parties is evil. Or Jon Stewart. Or a teenager.
englishdoyouspeakitmotherfucker
I believe this is from the fantastic 'America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction'. The audio book is a better listen.
Guanjyn
Earth (The Book) is great too (the audiobook has Sigourney Weaver in it)
HibiscuitsTea
He annoys the fuck out of me, but he's spot on with this.
RoxAFizzle
"Unbearable series of apologies" It sounds like an American's trip to Canada.
scottjaeger
Hardly. They're both the same party, the Business Party, just one is incrementally closer to Fascism.
BeenThereSeenThat
Sad but true...
Potatokil1er
Shaka! When the walls fell!
ohblackbetty
Stewart is a liberal hack!
Texantioch
lol, I've come to notice anyone who uses the word "hack" doesn't really know what it means
ohblackbetty
hack is a bastardized term meaning a professional who does a lousy job of their profession! Stewart hacks at one side no matter what!
Texantioch
Except he did a great job of what he was supposed to do. Disagree with him, or not find him funny, he did his job perfectly.
Histrionical
I think he makes it clear Democrats offer no more real solace than Republicans, but it also happens to be the time to be progressive. 1/3
Histrionical
That being said, I just have one thing to say to a /person/ like /you/....:
Histrionical
Bam-ba-lam.
graehall
It would just be a nice, and long overdue change if they grew up and worked with each other instead of acting like the other has cooties.
xTheMaestro
Thats the catch. If a republican compromises with democrats he will be ousted and replaced with someone more conservative and vice-versa.
graehall
Well it's not so much a catch as it is the status quo. You don't work together. And that's enforced. I'm saying grow up, do your damn jobs!
xTheMaestro
They are doing their jobs. Republicans are doing what their base wants, Democrats are doing what theirs wants.
IJustWantToHelpOut
Wont help. We need more parties. 2 parties will always lead to corruption with an uninformed electorate.
graehall
I'm not suggesting it is the only way forward. I'm suggesting that doing their fucking jobs and working together would be nice, like adults.
IJustWantToHelpOut
I here ya. Just wish more people would vote 3rd party. Need to pass rank choice like here in MN. At least its better than lesser 2 evils.
sumwisemonk
I'd vote for Jon Stewart in a heartbeat. I think a lot of people would.
ayeseaturtles
Yes. In a heartbeat.
fffrozen
he's a comedian, brah.
flatdeer
Wrong.
staringfrog
#rallytorestoresanity
TerribleAwful
http://imgur.com/u1CIf5m
Derplord
Wait - republicans are the left wing right?
STINKPICKEL
They have become criminal organizations masquerading as political parties.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
The world is powered by one and only one thing - GREED. Once you understand that everything else makes sense.
muddywatersmentalfapsession
Amen bro. The more I know people, the more I like pigs.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Very interesting interview of Milton Friedman in 1979 I recently heard: http://youtu.be/RWsx1X8PV_A
muddywatersmentalfapsession
That's funny. I have a U of C MBA. Will check it out tomorrow. Starting to watch Creed w/ my kids now. Look forward to it!
muddywatersmentalfapsession
Great clip. Gecko would be proud! But Marx says the success of capitalism will be its downfall, which feels like current theme-labor rebels
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
That is true. Unbounded it becomes a problem. Like the referee to gecko.
muddywatersmentalfapsession
Lol. If you are ever in KC, I'd like to buy you a beer.
muddywatersmentalfapsession
So many great quotes from the original Wall Street
muddywatersmentalfapsession
One last thing. Thanks for the Friedman reference. Have now watched 5 of his clips.
MateriaCaelestis
This is not a view of the world that leaves a lot of room for improvement. Just sounds like an excuse to accept a status quo.
staringfrog
In my opinion, the dems are light years closer to the happy medium than the reps are
bond100
Not really. The dems just hide their batshittery behind a screen of politeness whereas the GOP are proud of their asshattery
staringfrog
There's a difference though, Hillary and Bernie actually make sense when they talk. Because they know how to do that unlike cruz n drumpf
Skawomplious
This is rich, coming from the guy who defined "left wing shill".
LargeCanine
Steeart can't deny the truth about Democrats anymore, but he can't admit it. So... both sides bad!
leodavinci1
How non-partisan of him. But when push comes to shove, which party gets his ire the most?
AsianMilfslayer
So Democrats want to turn America into Canada?
DougForcett
What they really do is act as opposing forces ideally keeping the nation in a moderate middle on most issues. Everyone is upset about (1)
DougForcett
things but not as much as they could be keeping the nation from making drastic change every election cycle. Change becomes generational. (2)
FightClubConsumerism
Problem is current generations are very idealistic and want change for themselves, not their grandchildren. It was nice while it lasted.
DougForcett
I don't know if it's that so much as the sides are farther apart now than any point since the Civil War like an overstretched rubber band.
wanderingsibyl
Disagree, talking to the others of my generation has shown me we want our generation AND future generations to succeed and have the 1/
wanderingsibyl
the absolute best opportunities for themselves and their children. Ya kow, that American dream we've been hearing about our whole lives. 2/2
FightClubConsumerism
How can you believe the American Dream wasn't anything but nationalism? Why do you think you said the pledge of allegiance in class?
yikesaroni
yeah i get it, disliking both parties is cool, disliking the DNC is cool. difference is i know my political science and i love the DNC
ChokedAspirations
Why? I consider myself progressive and informed and I am really curious as to what drives your support for the DNC?
yikesaroni
i mean if the worst Jon Stewart can say about the DNC is that they tend to be more polite than a racist biker skinhead, wow thats terrible
yikesaroni
who backs up the president's veto to protect democrat laws? who prevents government shutdowns? who confirms liberty-friendly judges? etc
ChokedAspirations
I mean, they are obviously the better of two evils but why not support a party that's less corrupt? I see where you're coming from but,
ChokedAspirations
The DNC is precisely what you said. A more polite RNC. Granted a far less crazy one. Have you considered a party a little further left?
yikesaroni
hell no, i could have moved to europe if i wanted that much socialism or stayed where i was born. i was born in cuba and love capitalism
ChokedAspirations
I, for one, support the Republicans in their endeavor to sink the ship just to kill the captain.
ChokedAspirations
As a matter of fact, I hope the democrats do the same. Just burn the whole thing down.
tantricpooper
"When things get REALLY bad, doesn't some small part of you hope they get way worse? Just to see what would happen?" -George Carlin
ChokedAspirations
It appears that's the mindset of most of the population now. Just "fuck it, let's see what happens,"
Atzadio
If you're interested look up alexander de Tocqueville's review on the Principle of the Sovereignty of the people, its pretty similar to this
ChokedAspirations
His writing on the American Revolution is considered by some to be the standard in colonial theory so his views might be a bit slanted.
Atzadio
He was an aristocrat and those most definitely were the times, never the less he's passed the test of time. The "candidate" gets (1)
Atzadio
reshaped into a political force who can only get to power by "win[ning] their (masses) favor at any cost. false promises of return or utopia
thesixfingerman
The two party system has not been very effective. Still better than an one party system though.
cashdash25
Say what you like, but at least a one party system doesn't get eternal deadlock when it comes to passing laws.
TeddyMoment
Sure... throw your vote away! -Kodos
SaffronTeabagPierogi
Bring back the Whigs!
razmann
how about a no party system?
RobKnob91
No way man I love to party
Barkinsons
Parties do have a legitimate purpose in the democratic process, but they need to be flexible and numerous
thesixfingerman
Ultimately the problem is size. The more people you have, the harder it is for any government to work.
Barkinsons
That's true, you need federalism in a big country to share the work load. The downside is that it slows the political process down
thesixfingerman
Federalism helps, but I don't think it's necessary. I think that democracy need engagement and freedom of information to function properly.
Enzatron
There's another party?
thesixfingerman
A number of countries use a "one party" system where there is literally only one party. At least our system does give us some choice.
Enzatron
I'm sorry, but 'At least our system does give us some choice.' sounds like you're cool with not really having a choice.
thesixfingerman
I understand that in order to avoid violence change has to come slowly. The system is not perfect, but it's better than the alternative.
Enzatron
Thanks for intelligent conversation. Your comment makes it clear you get it. I don't want any violence, but the current system does beg it.
JustanotherdamnMinnesotan
I really disagree that is has been ineffective. Look at some of the great presidents we've had over the past hundred years all from that
thesixfingerman
A fair argument, I was trying to invoke that one Winston Churchill quote
JustanotherdamnMinnesotan
Ah yeah "Democracy is by far the worst system of government invented...besides everything else that has been tried that is"
thesixfingerman
Exactly.
AReallySatisfyingPoo
Actually Benevolent Dictatorship would be the most efficient, effective system. Unfortunately no human is capable of universal benevolance
SynfulChaot
Some are. The problem is what happens after said dictator steps down or dies off ...
thesixfingerman
Chang Kai Chek and Franco were both effective leaders who left their countries better than they found them. They still did terrible things.
monkeymuffins
I'm not sure you could say that China at the end of the Cultural Revolution was much better off than China at the end of the civil war.
thesixfingerman
That would be Mao, Chang is the guy who ended up ruling Taiwan. Which is now one of the most free and richest countries on the planet.
monkeymuffins
Chiang never thought of Taiwan as a country, and there was a time when he would have had you executed for suggesting that.
HereInDuckburg
Then why ever suggest it as an option
AReallySatisfyingPoo
1/2 Because under ideal circumstances it's the best possible system. It's wrong to say "what we have isn't perfect but still better than X".
HereInDuckburg
But if you follow it up with "but its not possible" then whats the point
AReallySatisfyingPoo
2/2 We shouldn't be complacent. There's always room for improvement. Even if it means being led by non-humans (AI?)
HereInDuckburg
Oh jesus christ. Im sorry I didnt realize you were joking
catprolly
It's called the illusion of choice
override367
oh look we got an edgy both sides are the same dude, well one of those parties gave me healthcare and one is going to nominate trump
septillion
except the parties really do enact very different policies that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people
TeddyMoment
Like when you tell a toddler he can either wear the blue shirt or the red shirt.
MaybeYouveBeenShadowBannedToo
But no matter which shirt you pick, you're still going to the doc for shots.
catprolly
When in reality they need to wear a green shirt cause it's St. Patrick's day and everyone's going to pinch them for not wearing green
koopaya
Grey, because he's colorblind
Jusmar
But nobody ever wears green shirts any more.
TruthHammer
Strawmen, strawmen everywhere.
jadespider
It's Jon Stewart...so yeah.
Texantioch
Out of curiosity what makes this a strawman? I thought this was widely perceived as true
azurepenguin
Please explain to be why is it a strawmen. You guys just write "strawmen" in you comments hopping to sound smart, isn't it?
RichCorinthian
Please elaborate.
Histrionical
You're asking a user called "TruthHammer" to support their shallow, pseudo-intelligent point? Good luck.
TruthHammer
It's a complex topic but I believe this gif can sum up my argument.
Histrionical