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awesomecat42
Wikipedia is reliably, but you still can't cite it in a paper because it's a tertiary source. Same reason you don't cite encyclopedias.
TheFishFace
Most Wikipedia vandalism is reverted quickly, but most vandalism is also obvious. Subtle vandalism can stay for years.
IWantACleverUsername
Encarta Encyclopedia on CD-ROM is where the real info is at.
AstroFizX
Especially the two CD set
Etereo
Try use it on accademic lvl. No, it's not good.
TCGView
Professor taught us in college that we can't cite Wikipedia, but all the sources at the bottom are good.
jimicus
He's never looked at the sources then.
awesomecat42
The reason is that it's a tertiary source, you shouldn't cite paper encyclopedias either for the same reason.
echonite
Outside of controversial topics, Wikipedia can be reliably trusted. And if there is any doubt, reefer to the sources.
natachan
Uni didn't allow citing Wikipedia because profs wanted the students to a) buy their texts and b)go to original source and think for themself
Nalianna
more A than B, i am guessing.
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
The point is that online resources such as wiki aren't reliable due to frequent editing. What you quote today may be gone tomorrow. /1
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
That is why references to journals exist in printed form, even though we all use the online version. But wiki is a great starting point. /2
parasztarcal
I clicked at a random page, and you can look at the edit history for the last 14 years.
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Yes, but not in enough detail. They tell you 'graph x' has been deleted at [time] by [user], but I cant see what that graph was. Besides /2
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Students should learn to refer to peer-reviewed sources, so just use the original source instead of wiki. /2
Ulthirm
Which is something professors need to adapt to and recognize. Part of the problem with using MLA, APA, and Chicago is that they havent
Ulthirm
adapted to the modern world. References should now permit a form part for page date.
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
APA has had website references including date and time for well over 15 years now. The problem is I can't see what happened since. /1
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Wiki for example tells me a certain graph or illustration has been deleted due to copyright infringement, but I cant see the original. /2
Anatoos
Thing is, wikipedia pages summarize things, so they wouldn't be reliable for an in-depth historical analysis. Just fine for school though
baconmeplease
I got banned from posting/editing on wiki for 3.25 years because I put on information about a place I was at and a person didn’t like it.
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
I edited the page for Cincinnati Style Chili once because it falsely referred to spaghetti as macaroni
narniasreal
Wrong, you don't cite from wikipedia because you don't do second hand citations. Don't quote a quote.
unsolicitedadvice
-Wayne Gretzky
unsolicitedadvice
-Michael Scott
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
I tried to correct some factual inaccuracies on Wikipedia and was told I was precluded from editing because I was "too expert".
Zerberus
There is enough evidence that some heavily debated articles are edited to represent a personal opinion of the person who created it
FairweatherHobbyist
Do people not learn about Primary and Secondary sources?
Safebox36
Every change I've made has been to change minor spelling mistakes. If you make any change the masses don't want, they will revert it.
Safebox36
They even lock controversial articles to editors with high enough point scores. So fuck China, they don't have enough power on it.
tway44700
I created a completely fake page on wikipedia when I was in school over 15 years ago. It's still there, been cleaned up and added to...
JoJoSapiens
This. As a wayward teen, I managed to sneak a few fake facts in which lasted for months before anyone picked up on them. They're good (1)
JoJoSapiens
at catching that shit, but not quite as good as the commenter in the image suggests. (2)
ElfSIut
LINK IT
Curii
In my field (History) Wikipedia is a dire mess of bad.
1cksBE
Your field is a dire mess of bad. Historians are like scots.
Curii
What Ginger, like to get drunk and headbutt things while moaning about how everything is the fault of the English?
1cksBE
Rahhh English ... they ruined everything.
Evenmorehorrifying
I'm of age when the internet and wikipedia's invention was a thing as I finished high school and moved onto college. No wikipedia sources!
BorkBorkasson
Yeah, high school class of '93. Paper Encyclopædia Britannica was my main source at home. Wikipedia is easier though, I'll give it that. :D
GodEmperorOfImgur
But it IS unreliable. just look up the "Brazillian Ardvark" Citogenesis can be quite a problem in some cases.
Aubreycat
It's amazing that the veracity of Wikipedia is questioned when statements given in printed encyclopaedias are accepted as a record of fact.
AdmJota
Encyclopedias have never been acceptable academic sources.
Aubreycat
The last printed edition of Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians had the violinist Nigel Kennedy as having been a member of The Fall.
Aubreycat
Which, if you know either, is ridiculous; though there is a link, which is how it must have come about.
Fastjack2056
Once upon a time, there used to be something called "facts". They were true things, tested & proven, and lying about them had consequences.
KnifeKnut
Wikipedia did not always use to be this way, quite the opposite in fact.
Tokipudi
Wikipedia can be really biased when it comes to politics though. You cannot use only wikipedia when searching for something accurate.
BigJewishHulk
The page about IQ by nationality got nuked so many times, even with credible sources, it'sterrible
Penthesilean
The concept of I.Q. is so deeply flawed & problematic that it should be abandoned. But ignorant people believe it’s “true”, so here we are.
BigJewishHulk
It's absolutely not flawed. It's very reliable. That's why it's used in academia. You proved that you are the ignorant person
Aubreycat
Every source is biased.
Balddogcatcat
I edited The swedish Wikipedia 7 years ago. I said that surfing boards were a kind of boat, and its still there. Perhaps its true though.
AFriskyJacket
What defines a boat anyway?
ReginaKasteen
If hot dogs are sandwiches, I guess a surfboard can be a boat.
BestMelvynEU
How does a screenshot run out of black ink
Counterfit
This is from a ditto machine
weirdsmith
That's exactly what the deep state doesn't want you to know.
filiuspelei
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: a good place to start your research, but not where you should end it.
dragonfliet
I don't know why people have such a hard time with this.
BronzeLeaguePro
Look, Wikipedia as a jump-off point is great, but there are actual controversies on the site. It's better than most sites of course, but...
AFriskyJacket
Getting facts wrong or having a bias is not a Wikipedia only problem.
BronzeLeaguePro
True, but I was discussing Wikipedia. Not say, RationalWiki, or Conservapedia...
AFriskyJacket
I'm talking about Encyclopedia Britannica and College/High school textbooks.
SpartaWillBurn
I have a friend who has a Wikipedia page. A few things on it never happened.
FjordFiskursson
It can be really hard to remove old, entrenched errors.
Ninjainslippers
Exactly. It's a good tool to start your research with if you don't know how to research and/or don't have access to journals.
igivetheinternets
One of the founders says Wikioedia bias is his greatest regret and he wants to make a new unbiased source.
BronzeLeaguePro
Wikipedia isn't a neutral source of truth, and it's dangerous to blindly trust aggregated sources like wikipedia. That doesn't make it bad.
ElfSIut
Yeah theyre 100% not neutral. Got banned for changing derry to londonderry, as somr banter with irish friends
BorkBorkasson
Wikipedia itself does not consider itself a reliable source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
dormantmayonnaise
That's why you go to wikipedia and use their sources, already curated for your topic.
6313326
I had a professor who included this in a rules & expectations PowerPoint. I've re-created it for you.
TotallySaneScientist
That's been the cheat since the beginning.
ProjectKurtz
Years ago I had a paper on a ridiculously obscure topic and Wikipedia saved my bacon. Needed three sources, wiki had exactly three.
ProjectKurtz
I couldn't find a single scrap of information anywhere else, and my google-fu is strong.
Kiriande
That's what I tell my students to do.
zombiejon
I've had to fail a student for citing Wikipedia...when I told the student to look at Wiki's sources.
Kiriande
Well they should have listened to you xD
darkhermes
Wikipedia has breadth not depth. Fine place to start for general ideas, but need greater variance of original sources to research a topic
sunyudai
Yeah, use Wikipedia to write the outline at most.
LoudBirb
You just defined what an encyclopedia is and what it's for. So... yeah.
BlueDuckPale
This guy ^^^ I do that, one of my professors does it too.
LionOfRome
Any uni student with no motivation and 2 brain cells does this lol
BlueDuckPale
It's a great way to find keywords, and technical terms (if I'm on something unknown) lucky for me I've experiance in the field I study.
CaptainHollister
I referenced wikipedia in one of the first pieces of work I did at uni. Handed back with "as reliable as putting my friend Dave says" 1/2
CaptainHollister
2/2 then my lecturer came to me in person and said that of course the references on the wiki page are a legitimate source. Everyone does it
cgimw
Yeah, I feel like people have missed the whole point, which is that they're trying to teach that wikipedia is a secondary source.
FarkasMacTavish
Yeah, no, I got told "don't use wikipedia as a source", and nothing further.
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
I mean some teachers at my schools just straight up said don't use Wikipedia for anything. They were just adamantly against it all together
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
Some teachers told us to use it to get ideas, and branch from there, but others would make us get off wiki, if they saw us on it at school
mike13815
You're incorrect. Ignorant/lazy teachers have always suggested wikipedia is full of lies and "anyone can edit so it's always wrong".
GadenKerensky
In my experience it usually ends up coming across as - or outright stated as - being a total no-no.
Ninjainslippers
That's the trick. Wikipedia itself isn't a valid source, but it links to peer-reviewed papers that are.
Katalack123
That’s a tip one of the smarter lecturers gave us.
mdzmdz
Some people have said that it too readily allows newspapers as sources, when some of them are using Wikipedia for their source.
Isitjustmeordoweallthinkourcountryisthegreatest
You donate then? It's a very useful resource IMO but you need to be aware of its limitations. Also IMO mainstream media has far more limits.
katwa
Since the whole Corona shit is going down and we have online classes as well as not being able to access the library freely, we were told 1/
katwa
2/ in multiple classes to read through the Wikipedia articles to get a rough overview.
katwa
3/ also general advice: read through articles in multiple languages when you can speak them. Different or more info in diff languages
jasari
I had teachers that recommend doing this, they said don't use Wikipedia its self but the sources are ok
jasari
And back then that made sense since anyone could edit Wikipedia back in the mid 2000s so accuracy coul change from day to day.
laNikiNt
I have had kids use the link to their Google search as a source.... Fffffuuuu
Wankathon
Yea, it's more about not literally citing Wikipedia in your essay
JaromirAzarov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
FreeSpankings
cedarcomb
https://xkcd.com/978/
R100GSPD
Of course that has a wikipedia page.
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
Everything about it is spectacular, too
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R100GSPDs_snarky_comment
alsoAzrael
For a brief, shining moment, I wondered if you'd actually gone to the trouble of making a page for this.
TheFallenTwo
Maybe he had, and they just removed it that quickly
jrblast
This reminds me of the snopes article on whether or not snopes is a conspiracy.
BigJewishHulk
Seen so many snopes pages that are so factually incorrect, I see it used for jokes more than anything.
time2kms
https://www.snopes.com/faq/what-is-your-corrections-policy/ A gift for you.
Upinthecold
Example?
LordNergal
Are you looking at their "news" articles or their fact-checking section? The two are very different. When trying to report news, Snopes 1/
BigJewishHulk
fact checking
LordNergal
tends to be quite left-leaning in bias, while when fact-checking they are quite neutral. So the fact-checking is usually extremely 2/
LordNergal
factually correct, to the point it can usually be relied-upon without further investigation. 3/3
ScuseMeWhileIWhipThisOut
Where Wikipedia states on it's own "Reliability of Wikipedia" that "Wikipedia does not consider itself to be a reliable source. "
Tsumino79
the sources wikipedia uses are the reliable sources when doing a paper last year some of the papers i cited i got to via wikipedia
Tsumino79
but wikipedia itself was not cited in any way
LongoloidFartExplosion
It's to stop Wikipedia citing itself causing a recursive loop.
cousteau
Two-step loops do exist though (Wikipedia citing a site citing Wikipedia).
Ninjainslippers
It's not. It links to reliable, peer-reviewed sources but the actual wikipedia page isn't a reliable source.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
"I am not the expert. I can tell you how to find the expert." - "See, it's all lies!" - "No, I can help you find the truth." - "ALL LIES!"
Ninjainslippers
I'm not saying it's lies, I'm saying you shouldn't cite wikipedia. Cite the original, peer-reviewed sources and think critically.
time2kms
I love how Wikipedia's policing policy is evident on the wikipedia for their policing policy:
Nalianna
brb, editing that page...
Rrrrgrr
I see what you did there.
theirarefourlights
Wikipedia on Wikipedia has a very Thanos destroying the stones feel about it.
Ninjainslippers
How deep does it go?
J0765
The Bible did it first
TygrF
"FBI investigation finds no mishandling of FBI investigation."
whatifweblowupthemoon
Wikipedia attesting itself a high reliability, what a surprise. Seriously though, we‘d be screwed without Wikipedia
hisokafgl5
Do yourself a favor, next time read it before trying to criticize it.
Nalianna
Surprise, an anti-intellectual hates something before even reading it.
Nalianna
"Wikipedia does not consider itself to be a reliable source. Many academics distrust Wikipedia[23] but may see it as a valuable jumping... "
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Why is this lavender?
Charlawilliams70
Pleasing to the eye.
YeahNahNahYeahNahYeah
It isn't lavender, it looks normal.
Jupman
It's not a pin must be missing from you monitor plug.
hashtagvain
Could be a screen overlay, like another person replied. They’re also used for dyslexia and autism and other stuff too :)
FetaForMoses
Yes why?
OmnibusLatinName
They mimeographed it from their phone :)
bananasorGTFOsmother
Because lavender is relaxing?
WagglyGerm
Why aren't you lavender?
Giantmutantcrab
A nice lilac tint
ScienceTeachingRockEnthusiast
It’s a conspiracy!
Cranbananarama
Why aren't you?
minionsandbananas
this dont smel at all
trapdoorogre
Someone clicked on it.
IWantToSpaceBattleYou
Some ppl have trouble reading black on white. So they write with blue pen on purple paper. This might be the same. I have a friend with this
mathismygame
It's called irlen syndrome. I have had a few students with it and colored paper makes a huge difference for them.
Markamanic
Toner ran out.
gorillagram
It's lesbianbrachiosauras - i guess thats a little hint
Neoeon
Your hint isnt one.
CyborgScribe
Here is the second tier hint: http://web-static.nypl.org/exhibitions/1969/radicalesbians.html
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Because it smells nice
genepoolboy
Ugh I got school copier flashbacks from the 80's. I can smell this post.
onecowboytoo
OMG you memeist you can't just go around asking why memes are lavender.
UsernameMatt
Keeps mosquitoes away.
6pace
why aren't more lavender tbh
tesseract4d2
I imagine it's to avoid some kind of bot, like repost bot
westsidewizard
It's pronounced Luh-Vander!
ismysphic
Asking the real questions ✊
ObliqueRay
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
peachyrae392
The printer was running low on ink
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Andynator
im not homophobic btw just making fun of people that know 100 colors XD, i have trouble differentiating orange from red xD
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
"Oh no, someone has a skill that I don't! Guess I'll mock them for it."
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Is there something wrong with me taking dick?
Ac1dBurn72
For her pleasure.
tarquinious
Because when combined with crystals it keeps Covid at bay
retroman688
Is this the way?
TeddyBearHeaven
It is known.
bhangraking
Faded purple.
MartyVentura
Ask Wikipedia
o2tiger
The real question is: why isn't yours lavender?
eco79
Who is Lavander?
actualseal
Ditto paper
jedderrick
It helps with stress.
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ImBoredouttamyskull
Lavender cookies?? You should've called the police on her.
RayzorHero
First thought upon reading was marry me.
Drfilip
This comment pairs well with the posted picture of Lavender Town. Helps increasing stress.
Mrpointsouttheobvious
More things should be this colour. It makes me happy!
ambulancedriver
Put a drop of lavender in a bathtub
ConfederacyOfDunces
"imagine the ocean," AAAHH! OOH! ARRRRGH!
ConfederacyOfDunces
"oh, imagine a CALM ocean"
Dionysus187
sounds like bullshit
DeKetsendeRechter
BUT YOU MUST STILL FOLLOW! CLICK HERE TO FOLLOW!
NotNotDeadpool
It absolutely nisnt
ThePickliestRick
It's making me anxious more than anything. The colours are all wrong.
MartyVentura
Is that a Joe Gato reference?
jedderrick
No.
Doomgriever
*creepy music playing*
DontYouHateWhenAllUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
To the top with you dead Pokemon.
blumpk1npie
Mommy does this mean that the dog is going to die? Also, can I get him to fight other pets for money? For real though I love pokemon
tiduszecht
♫Safe and Happy, You will Be♪
Manzoman666
I can hear it
6pace
beow beow beow beow beow beow beow beow weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-beow beow beow beow beow beow beow beow
ChibiSaltman
Who needs suicide forest when Pokemon got a whole town for it
Ultralink1111
Look at this guy. Posting the real stuff. A+
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3DZeizHQ5I
TheGirlWithNoName
Ahhhh the horrible memories, always panicing immediately at the first *ping* because I’d turn down the volume just a second too late.
WhiteVanNoChildrenAllowed
https://youtu.be/0D_p8pcidJk
Vilgashem
There was a period during which the internet in general was off limits. Schools were deeply resistant to things getting easier for students.
Cliterate
I am from a generation that still had to make research notecards with books by hand, yet we also had the internet
Cliterate
Now, I can’t live without Zotero. I tried Refworks but Zotero is free & has software that works offline & has everything Refworks has
quzar
Are you me? I can't wait until they get the initiative to update their FF base so we can get minimize to tray.
SirTomcatTheObstreperous
YoU aReN't GoInG tO hAvE a CoMpUtEr WiTh YoU ALL tHe TiMe... oR a CaLcULaToR...
IdiotSavantTinker
I had a teacher in the 3rd grade or so that refused any homework I had "done on the computer".
EvilDeadTed
And yet they all used Encarta.
quzar
I wasn't allowed to use encyclopedias for anything but general info. The point was to both learn the subject and how to research/synthesize.
Ninjainslippers
It still largely is. Wikipedia makes research much easier, but it's not a peer-reviewed source so you still have to read the sources.
dividedby0
YoU DoNt LeArN iF yOu CaN jUsT fInD iT.
horsecrippler77
That’s right. No copying off the internet. You need to do it the right way and copy it out of a book instead!
Ltrain5
Still are
MisterLemons
"If it's easy they won't learn!" *kids don't learn anyway after concluding that learning is laborious and boring*
AnAccountToPostThis
Its the same as the "you wont always have a calculator" bullshit when calculator watches existed in the 80s
PlaceHolderTitle
I feel like calculators were added to cell phones to spite someone’s math teacher that told them that
erroniousmaximus
Lol, now my phone can do algebra and some basic geometry. Hope those teachers are still alive and feeling embarrassed every day by that fact
quzar
I never experienced that. I used the internet for research for the first time in 5th grade 1996 and did so throughout my K-12.
Iwontdoitunlessido
Ironic to the point it makes me sad honestly.
NewtonWren
It's valid though. There's more than a few biased editors who will religiously enforce false information based on technicalities.
bekkayya
"prepare them for the modern world of massive information and disinformation? no, its the internet who is wrong"
WorthEveryPenny
Conservatives rarely get irony. Inb4, yes, resistance to change, good or bad, is the definition of conservativism.
redstick
I went to a public school in a liberal stronghold, and every single staff member was liberal/democrat. They all hated wikipedia.
ChiefBeefyBoner
Gov. Is deeply against things getting easier for anybody, as tech and machines get better, our work weeks have only gotten longer.
ArcanistMMXIV
It gets easier for the factory owners and the corrupt politicians.
Cliterate
I agree. So anyway do you play Planet Coaster/Zoo or do you just have a boner that is like a burger
dubauchery
I go on the record to my students that Wikipedia is an excellent place to start for all the reasons you good people are talking about. /1
dubauchery
And then some just copy and paste from wherever they can, even though I told them we have software that can tell when they do. Le sigh. 2/2
yellowdove
Same :(
dubauchery
It's hard to imagine the arrogance or naivete that leads to the behaviour. Been a rash of it lately, and parents "looking over" work.
peterbozeman
I think it was just unproven at that point. What if you were a teacher today and a student referenced a thing you had zero experience with?
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Then I'd try to gain experience with it
ReleaseTheBeeees
I was the last year group to not be able to use the internet for homework
quartershadow
Because Wikipedia is a secondary source, not a primary source, use the links but by itself it is a synopsis, not a source
juxtjCandyBaroness
I think this had origins with the encyclopedia publishers- they tried to sell us sets and then the school got a discount
Oakshand
i just copy pasted the wikipedia article for Teddy Roosevelt when i had to write a paper. It was like 50 pages long so i got an A
chiefrunswithscissors
Wikipedia is still off limits in universities though. Although you can just follow the source links and use those
RulesOfImgur
I'm a university student, what do you think we do when we are told we can't use Wikipedia?
chiefrunswithscissors
Probably exactly what I described?
RulesOfImgur
Yep.
BronzeLeaguePro
A source with no peer review that makes no claims to validity is off limits? Who would have thought?
AFriskyJacket
Isn't the whole point of Wikipedia that it is constantly under massive amounts of Peer-review? Validity is another mater, sure.
BronzeLeaguePro
It's under editorial review from editors, but it's not under peer review.
bakminn360
That's not peer reviewed. It's wikipedia's editor reviewed.
antleroid
helps you learn how to read sources and evaluate them. wikipedia isn't wrong, but it slams together high&lowbrow references in one article.
apatternlanguage
This is exactly how it's supposed to be used. Primary sources are always superior. I love Wikipedia specifically b/c it compiles them
Skynet2xx
Exactly, I think the real issue is people just citing the source as Wikipedia. But its a secondary source you need primary
CyberZe
I had sources point straight to wiki on my defense thesis. And it wasn't even now. I got my degree 15years ago. I did clear that first tho.
CptSharps
Wikipedia is excellent as a learning resource for university maths and physics, often approaching topics in several different ways.
30Jonseredi
As an uni student can confirm. Our lecturers actively remind us that we should just click the original sources and use those
malkavian3str
Wikipedia is a tertiary source like other encyclopediae, and as such would rarely be appropriate to be cited in a scientific paper.
malkavian3str
An encyclopedia is for studying, not as an actual source to be cited.
malkavian3str
You can apply the same to textbooks and to some degree to review articles.
illogicalphallusies
right? Sorry, you cant use this meticulously up to date website, please use your textbook from 1954.
Brucecori2
At times professors required book sources ? I would grab a book from library and text cite it once then use online sources for everything.
Brucecori2
Citing those of course as well. Just thought it was dumb to try to make me use a 20 yr old book rather than online research articles.
J0765
The Bible did it first
PresidentCamacho0
It's because a lot of dickheads would just copy/paste a Wikipedia article and present that as their research.
AnAccountToPostThis
As one of those dickheads in middle school i would just do the same with wiki sources if wiki was banned. I often used more obscure sources
AnAccountToPostThis
anyway because teachers would always check wiki pages first.
PresidentCamacho0
I would copy the wikipedia article and just rewrite it in my own words.