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SixSixxtySix
Autocrats also always seem to think "it'll work out differently for me than it did for Ceaușescu. I'm going to be fine."
circlebreaker
syko2k
The only thing that stops facists is death. Luckily, you Americans live in a country where you have many death applicators. They come in a variety of tasty calibers. Get to work. If the lads in Nepal can tear down their government and fix it in a few days, so can you.
Margrave9000
Only non-Democratic solutions are effective in restoring democracy.
VodkaReindeer
What? Who could benefit from a post that tells Democrats it's useless to vote!
michaelfire
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archon325
But what if we hold signs and chant? Or try to change their minds with honest discourse? That will work, right? /s
I wish people could see where things were going before they actually got there. When people finally realize what has to be done to stop them, it will require a lot more sacrifice if victory is even possible at all.
rbudrick
Ok, sure, cuz none of them ever ended and the allies in ww2 didnt exist. What is this shit?
Sleepsintrees
When food becomes an issue there will be problems.
rebelft
LincLoud
The average person isn't fully aware of what is going on around them, they see the part, not the whole. Those who do see it are scared to take action, for fear of death or life long imprisonment (which may also include torture)
heatenDiver
Get over it, or watch it be normalized all the way to your doorstep
JanglesPrime
OK, buddy, you go pick up the gun first.
heatenDiver
So everyone has to put their lives on the line to protect you? No, you join rank if able or you contribute in some meaningful way.
Oatmealman1
Well it's already mostly understood that the Nazi right will have to be removed by force. It's just sad that it hasnt been done yet
PumpkinDriver5
Bolsonaro. The Putin puppet in Ukraine. That dude in the Philippines.
It does happen.
brokehackfourlane
was the ukraine guy voted out?
PumpkinDriver5
I don’t remember exactly but they didn’t have a civil war about it. At least not then.
But I thought the Ukraine person was a woman? You might be thinking of the Hungarian asshole; he’s still in office.
gft8gd5khn101
Didn't Poland overcome this?
DorkJedi
by being overrun and made part of a fascist empire? No, that is not a solution.
MisterLuminous
Some weeks ago, Poland elected a fascist.
herejusttopointouterrors
STFU! STOP JUST STOP!! THEY STOLE THE ELECTION. They "won" nothing democratically. You're an effing asshole for instigating shit.
freshthrowaway1138
Oh fuck off with this BluAnon bullshit. The Republicans won the elections by getting more votes. They spent 40+ years gathering and putting the foundations into place. They followed the laws and rules of elections. And they won the elections. Was it a dirty win? Yep, but they did what liberals wouldn't do, so they now control the government democratically.
heatenDiver
Stop. You all need to stop saying 'not yet' and 'there's still some steps'. No you need to stop being reasonable. You need to stop discussing it. Nazis cannot be reasoned with. They have already declared war. YOU need to admit that to yourselves.
Organize. Get together and start arresting by YOUR authority. It starts with WE, THE PEOPLE. You are responsible for what happens in your country every day. Own it.
SMarkt
stop working for them. the only power they have, is money.
destroyer1125470
Sure, we don't need to eat have anywhere to live in the meantime. I agree with the sentiment but logistically that doesn't work
SMarkt
realy? you say, you need people like donald trump to earn money? you got knowledge. you got power. you can organize . today it is so much easier to organize and work together with all this social media stuff. get together, build your own business and help other people instead of buying bullshit or give all the money to your boss.it will still be not easy, but it will be honest.
SJBSavageInk
Didn't both the British and Italians get rid of them after electing them just recently though? Granted they actually had their Congress equivalents not pandering to the fascists so they could actually impeach them
lightfoot2
Sure, but getting rid of them is fun when they're voted out.....
MySushi
There is not going to be another fair election in America. That is not hyperbole
lightfoot2
There hasn't been since 2000. And yeah, when people realize that the ballot box doesn't work anymore the next step is.... well there.
heatenDiver
IF you beat them in whatever contest it comes down to, I recommend putting each and every one of them on the business end of every one of their worst policies. And remind them with video about their attitudes when they complain about it.
PunnyTiger
fascism is a fatal disease, you can only survive by cutting it out and burning it to the last scrap. The united states left too many of their slavers alive, which made trump possible
echonite
So when cheaters write the rules, the legit players can never win? Shocking... color me so fucking shocked...
cytherians
Well, the last election is still questionable, but there was a tremendous onslaught of disinformation, domestically and foreign sourced (Russia FSB most definitely). Social platforms kept open, they were flooded. FOX News spewed false propaganda 24/7.
Republicans are actively working to undermine the next election. Gerrymandering being forced way ahead of schedule protocol. It's a serious concern. And we know if Republicans lose the House, Trump will cry "FRAUD!" and make 2020 look tame.
Eeaglepine
No, you're wrong. Spain returned to democracy peacefully after Franco died. So did Germany, Italy and Japan after some outside help. And as has been mentioned in other comments, there is Brazil. Also there is hope for Hungary and Belarus. Who knows, maybe after Putin Russia is in store for a "new day".
ItawtItawApuddyTat
I wouldn't call a world war that killed upwards of 50 million people "some outside help"
Mrmisfit
"Some outside help" does some heavy lifting. In the meantime, German fascists devastated Europe, Italians devastated north Africa and all fascists and reactionaries devastated the east, killing millions. Sure, "they returned to democracy". After being beaten in the bloodiest war of human history.
JackSmiles2
./clippy resurrects from the grave. It looks like you need some outside help. Do you want to unleash the sun on that city? "some outside help" understatement of the year... some people right?
thanatos777
Franco ruled Spain for forty fucking years, and the only reason they returned to democracy is because Basque separatists ensured that his hand-picked successor wasn't in a position to assume the presidency shortly before Franco died (it's interesting that you consider enough explosives to throw a car over a five-story church "peaceful"). Referring to Germany, Italy, and Japan as "peacefully returning to Democracy" is such a butchering of the term "peaceful" as to render it meaningless.
MySushi
Hey, people stayed real hushed while the bombing runs were being conducted overnight. They did not even dare to light a candle. Everyone was inside their houses by 7:00 and curled up in blankets in a corner of their house which remained standing. No block parties or hooligans getting upto trouble on the streets past bedtime. If you think that is not peaceful, we can't be friends /S
pseudoersatz
Ukraine and the Orange Revolution, might show us a thing or two. I find this conclusion highly subjective, otherwise.
ElectricFops
So here's the thing that kills me about these kinds of posts. You don't think the Democratic process can save us? Okay, so let's entertain that thought. What do you suggest? Armed revolution? Okay. Who's organizing it? I'll assume the ones calling for it are armed up and ready to march into the streets, so when do we start?
ItawtItawApuddyTat
a year ago. Fascist regimes rarely fall from the inside. Mussolini had to lose a war before he was hanged. Hitler didn't shoot himself until the red army was at his door step. Portugal is a rare case where the army had enough shit and deposed the dictator. Usually the war was to start from the outside. The fall of the USSR and the eastern block was a case of pure economic collapse. When you can't pay the army, the army lets you fall.
ElectricFops
Doesn't answer question, though. Fascism may only rarely collapse on their own, but armed revolutions also frequently fail without some sort of central leadership and a plan for the backside to rebuild, neither of which anyone ever seems to consider. My point is there seem to be awful lot of people on the internet who seem more than happy to talk about throwing lead around and burning shit down, and they're underwear gnomes. They know Step 1 and Step 3, but Step 2 is a giant question mark.
zylokun
so the only way to get rid of them is kill them. I'm working on it.
enderite
Absolutely nothing. Americans are cowards.
IHateItH3r3
I'm sure that's real easy to say in your perfect little world, but it's an insult to all the people who are dedicating their lives to social justice.
enderite
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IncognitoEnthusiast
Oh stop acting like what is happening in the US is unique, it's following the same patterns as any other take over. There is a breaking point for things to happen, it'll happen in the US too. It's easy to say something when it's not your ass on the line.
enderite
My ass is on the line.
I’ve been calling this shit since 2000. My friends thought I was crazy. Yelling ignored warnings like Cassandra.
I don’t believe in this country or its people any more.
IncognitoEnthusiast
We're not talking about living here, we're talking about being out there and actively fighting, those are two different things. I hate the US too but Im well aware of where things stand and what I can personally do. It's easy to call for violence when you have nothing to lose, or no one depending on you.
enderite
… who called for violence?
IncognitoEnthusiast
It's literally the mention of the main post, don't move your goal posts now.
GoddessPurpleFrost
That's not true. We bravely post people being arrested by police on TikTok despite outnumbering the fascists 20 to 1. Some of us even chant slogans!
crateo
And what signs!!! You have some of the best cardboard witty signs i ever saw.
Heva18
As an American, I am a coward. Mostly because I'm too poor to get myself out of any trouble if I go looking for it.
SomeFukinWizard
That's been the plan since the sixties, if that helps. This has been in the works a long, long time
LespritDeLescalier22
What’s your suggestion?
crateo
Take notes from France, Germany or Spain.
enderite
Leaving. Hanging out till my kids old enough to go to college. Sell the house, send her out of the country on a student visa. Wish her a better life.
Get me and the wife out of I can.
Last decade of my life has left me with the beliefs that most of us are not worth fighting for.
heatenDiver
Talk to everyone near you. Organize. Get connected to as many others as possible for revolution.
Leaving is forfeiting the nation and allowing this enormous fascist player to remain on the world stage for everyone else to now deal with too.
The reason you report abusers is not only justice, but to save those they might abuse in the future.
Many heroes began as cowards...
It's better to die fighting than live in fear
enderite
If*
Khanamana324
And for those of us who can’t or are unable to leave? What should we do?
enderite
It’s entirely up to you. Maybe one day we’ll get mad enough to have the strength of the Nepali people. I’m not sure I’ll see that in my life time.
What’s most likely is we will be a mirror to Russias current state and the EU will have to send javelin missiles to Canada.
freshthrowaway1138
You're a selfish coward and the type of person who has led to America being taken over by conservatives. Liberals constantly ran away from Purple States, and now they are solidly Red. Liberals fled from organizing voter blocs, and now the GOP controls the Federal Gov. Over and over again. Liberals are cowards who run. Eventually the fascists will find you when you run out of hiding places.
enderite
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LespritDeLescalier22
I’m right there with you. But there are issues with parents health both on my side and my wife’s side, plus the kid’s in school. My wife and I JUST briefly talked about this this morning. I’d love to move to Northern Europe, but we don’t have the money to drop and leave. And the issues regarding the health of relatives is front and center.
enderite
I don’t want to move anywhere with any large presence in the international media. This fire of fascism is going to burn everywhere.
For me and the wife… cheapest moves are Vanatua and like… Paraguay.
Both of our fathers are dead already. And mothers still good with their boomer blinders on.
Gruesslibaer
"Americans are cowards! They'll never stand up to oppression!"
"What should we do?"
"Run away!"
enderite
Yes. The people we would have as allies would rather take it up the ass for the last twenty four years than fight. I’m not going alone. Sorry. I’m not an avenger or Superman.
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enderite
Making a lot of assumptions. But I didn’t say this was the best for everyone. Just my plan. My choice.
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Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
Money would be nice…
enderite
Which is why it’s unlikely me and the wife will be able to get out.
But if we liquidate our assets for expenses for the kid, she can.
It’s probably too late for us. Best I can do is help her find a quiet safe place.
jeejeejerrycotton
Yeah but they need to vote for *checks notes* Pete Buttigieg? in the next elections and THEN something will happen. (PRO TIP: what will happen is they'll lose again.)
taez555
America had it's test run with a 1/2 black president(voted in nearly 2 decades ago now) and it was soundly rejected by the majority of voting Americans. I love Pete. He's very smart and does a great job of clearly articulating the issues in a simple way many can understand. But sadly.... the majority of America will not vote for a black person, gay person, non-Christian or woman again in my lifetime.
thisisnotfineffs
He's also more corporatist status quo, he's another centrist which is a braindead approach, didn't work with Biden, didn't work with Kamala, the US needs an actual leftist populist, you can't beat fascism with more of the same bullshit that let it fester and grow in the first place
LoudBirb
It sucks, but I don't believe that a leftist populist can win right now, either, frankly. Roughly half of the Democratic electorate either leans conservative or is straight-up centrist.
They will vote for a "reasonable Republican" over a leftist populist every day of the week. And yes, you and I know there aren't any of those, but the non-progressive half of the Dem voting base is only slightly less delusional than MAGA about the state of our government.
You can forget about the GOP voters.
RoutemasterFlash
How do you mean, "didn't work with Biden"? He beat Trump, didn't he?
thisisnotfineffs
And yet he's back in office, so it didn't work, just another band-aid on a gaping chest wound
RoutemasterFlash
Well it sounds like you're moving the goalposts a little here.
Biden actually did a pretty good job at getting the economy back on track after it all went to hell under Trump, such as creating jobs and tackling inflation. Unfortunately most Americans are economically illiterate and many watch Fox News, so they thought the inflation was Biden's fault, when it was largely a consequence of Trump's policies (or lack of them).
taez555
I don't really see him personally as more corporate status quo, especially when comparted to Biden or Harris, but... to each their own. That being said, I completely agree the democrats are a weak milquetoast center right party at this point, hell 30 years, and moving more and more to the right to chase the right vote is losing strategy. The US needs an actual populist left party. Their vacuum has simply let the maga-nazis suck it up.
Thornaxe
Center democrats have shown the ability to move leftward when given a push via primaries etc.
But the left left can’t be bothered to show up for these things. Or can’t agree on a unicorn candidate that satisfies everyone with zero compromises.
The right votes and then steers the party once elected. The left demands the candidate come to them preemptively and doesn’t show up at the polls.
Remember, I’d you don’t vote you don’t exist politically.
thisisnotfineffs
Very true, purity testing will be the death of democracy. People are idiots, it's obviously easier and preferable to organize under a neo-lib than a fascist but since dem candidates are still garbage, better than Republicans by miles but still garbage, those purity testers will just throw their hands up and let the entire thing burn down. Infuriatingly shortsighted and emotionally fragile
jeejeejerrycotton
Buttigieg is gay?
whereismymind86
Yes? How did you miss that?
KilroyLichking
but not as gay as Lindsey Graham
jeejeejerrycotton
I don't know who that is.
KilroyLichking
its a joke lindsey grahm is republican senator who allegedly is gay
xmaneds
Chasten Buttigieg -- the male man husband married to Pete Buttigieg -- believes his husband Pete Buttigieg to be "gay" -- https://people.com/who-is-chasten-buttigieg-pete-buttigieg-husband-7642604
whereismymind86
Compelling evidence, but how can we be sure?
loma45
Maybe they're just roomates?
datphone777365
Close friends.
RoutemasterFlash
Isn't the most frustrating part that Clinton brat Trump.by millions of votes but somehow lost anyway?
taez555
Not really. She was a terrible and uninspiring candidate. Him winning the 2nd time was worse.
RoutemasterFlash
It doesn't even bother you that much that she lost despite being more popular?
I mean, I agree she was a lousy candidate, but that's a pretty terrible electoral system right there, isn't it?
taez555
The electoral college has always bothered me. After Gore you kinda became numb to it.
Franklin666
It’s Newsom or no chance
whereismymind86
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taez555
Sadly I agree. Although Pritzger has been really stepping up pushing back on taco-teets. We'll see. Still 3 years to go. Also... we'll see if we even have fair elections now that they're rounding up "antifa".
Jewdakris
Soundly rejected? How fucking stupid are you? Hillary was rejected cause no one wanted her in the first place while the racists were given their shithead to rile them up. This has nothing to do with who the American people want and everything to do with the machine that is pushing the fascist agenda down the throats of the poor and uneducated while rigging a system for their reps to win seats. Obama is still beloved by normal people, if you hate Obama, well it's usually easy to guess why.
RoutemasterFlash
Hillary beat Trump by nearly 3M votes but was fucked over by the electoral college.
Jewdakris
She never bothered to try and really campaign. She thought it was her turn. Said she was right and he was wrong and that should be enough and funny thing is that failed twice. She wouldn't let the real candidate people wanted (Bernie) push her aside again. Crazy thing is that no matter who won that election, the Epstein files would have been important.
RoutemasterFlash
Yes, I'm aware she was a pretty poor candidate, and if she'd been more popular she would have won, even with the inbuilt pro-GOP bias of the electoral college.
As far as Bernie beating Trump, I don't know. Maybe he would have done - maybe he'd had have lost worse than she did. But if they'd gone with Bernie as candidate, at least they'd have known if there was any mileage in a left-wing candidate. They went with the 'safe' candidate and lost anyway.
rossimus
I get what you're saying but there's nothing wrong with Pete in particular.
whereismymind86
There’s quite a bit actually, go look up early primary videos, he was a progressive initially, the moved to center right the second it presented an opportunity. He’s a phony just like newsom. We can do so much better than Pete
rossimus
I closely watched that election. He was pretty objectively one of the better candidates available. Pete then spent the entirety of the Biden administration doing a good job at DoT and was one of the most effective political communicators on the left. Probably should have been the 2020 nominee.
newyorkmetsalhead
Can't imagine being stupid enough to think this when he presided over disasters on air, land, and sea (Boeing, East Palestine train crash, Baltimore bridge collapse). He's also a racist who fired South Bend's black police chief who caught white officers using slurs and used a list of fake endorsements from prominent African-Americans in a failed attempt to gain black support.
walnutbreath
Except for him being a corporate-owned stooge, who won't do anything beyond talking. Shitheads like Pete are a big part of the reason why we have Trumpism. Status quo Dems have got to go. Voters don't want the BS they're selling. They've made that abundantly clear. America can't afford another one of these milksops. We need an actual leader who will fight for actual change instead of protecting a broken system.
rossimus
This is a pretty bad take tbh. Very difficult to take someone seriously who thinks Pete is "the reason why we have Trumpsim."
walnutbreath
Of course, your straw man of what I said is a pretty bad take. That's the entire purpose of straw men.
rossimus
Directly quoting someone is not a "straw man." You now have two garbage takes in a row. One more and you get a free smoothie.
xj4low
If we have elections again.
whereismymind86
We will, at least in blue states, but I’m less confident the federal govt will recognize and accept the results
xj4low
We have election deniers that got into the certification of the poll stations here in Texas. Even if we all vote blue here, they will toss the votes while claiming fraud.
RyanH42
America was never going to vote for a gay guy anyway.
whereismymind86
Unfortunately no, shame because my state has an openly gay governor and he’s been pretty solid, easily won reelection in 2022, but he’d never win in a red state
whereismymind86
What about Gavin newsome?
Oh they lost worse? How about an actual goddamn progressive with actual popular ideas? No, can’t have that, someone like aoc or mamdani might actually win
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
I'm sorry to tell you this but AOC is literally unknown outside of the internet and she'd lose worse than Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris
freshthrowaway1138
Do you actually believe that small parts of NYC are representative of the US? I really hope that someday you get out of your echo chamber and go for a drive. Heck, New Yorkers outside of NYC have more in common with rural people from Alabama than with NYC voters.
Centroid
It’s true. Drive 20-30 minutes out of any major city and its MAGA-land.
robotsp
Pete Buttigieg vs the guy who is trying to create the 4th reich and you’re still not sure?
whereismymind86
How many times are you going to try that argument and fail before you try running an actual progressive who might actually be popular? Advocating for The lesser of two evils is how you get 90 million people not voting at all.
WienerBeener
It's not about being sure. Its about voter apathy. Voters are apathetic about voting for 'ish candidates that don't represent what they want out of an elected representative. Most people are not 'voting against' the opposition, their voting for someone that represents their interests.
JackSmiles2
They are vibe voting and just want to hear the right things. The problem is that the left will punish their side for not doing enough and the right doesn't. The right gets to make all the promises. They will give you ponies, unicorns and dragons. Then they show up and shoot your dog, zero consequences. Our only chance for an ideal candidate was to prevent him from wining to begin with. Then and only then could we have been "pickier". People played games and now we all lost.
astrangehop
Ooh the amazing star power of a bland centrist who was waffling on Gaza years ago and stands for libertarian principles and such. Like I get that "ki d of inoffensive and checks some nice ority boxes" is a dem strategy, but it doesn't actually work. Kampala was twice the candidate he was and she failed.
Radoonichan
What's wrong with Pete?
(I genuinely want to know, because I hardly find time to look properly into politics).
ThatGuyInTheMountains
Absolutely nothing. But he won't get elected.
newyorkmetsalhead
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freshthrowaway1138
He's gay. That's pretty much it. It is highly unlikely that a gay man, even if he is a white man, will win to any heterosexual man in a national election.
freshthrowaway1138
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. Do people actually think that the US is sort of progressive nation that would put a gay man in the Whitehouse? Have y'all never left your liberal echo chamber?
whereismymind86
He’s fine-ish, but moved pretty far right over time, and sold out pretty hard to corporate/donor interests.
As corporate dems go, he’s probably the best option, but we really need to stop trying to win with that, it never works. For him especially, since the soft conservatives corporate dems always want to woo would probably have an issue with Pete being a gay man. Better to run an actual progressive than someone in the middle again.
furrnandovalenzuela
He's a competent and successful gay man. That's enough for about half the country to hate him, sadly.
lackinglife
I was listening to people covering this exact topic awhile back and Trump's missing one very important thing all successful fascist dictators had.
A high approval rating.
It would seem for as long as we've been able to record such things, every fascist dictator took over in a coup with a 90+% approval rating in said country.
Meanwhile trump is competing with himself for the lowest rating ever and actively bleeding supporters thanks to him destroying their lives financially
So some hope
Thanshin
He just needs a war. A year before the end of his mandate, if he's still alive, he will try to invade Canada.
VictusVonGuyver
You can manufacture an approval rating. As of June 2025, Vladimir Putin's approval rating among Russians was 86%, but this approval rating is dubious since Russians fled the country when the invasion of Ukraine turned sour. Putin has had the biggest protests in Russian history, and that is not an exaggeration. Not to mention that he is constantly killing political opponents, including the ones we don't hear about.
There is no reason to deny that Trump will do the same.
DemSumBigAssRidges
That's one of the two reasons he had Kirk killed. The other was to distract from the Epstein files.
a1b3117
One other thing - none started out as old or in such poor health as him. Our best hope is a heart attack
ItawtItawApuddyTat
there will be no (fair) "next election". There will be marshal law declared in blue state and cities and those vote will never be counted and their representatives not seated. National Guard in Chicago, DC and Portland is just a warm up. The Texas leg is already putting rules in place to throw out the vote in Houston. The time has passed.
dragoonwraith
Trump is also gonna die, and they’re not going to have anyone to replace him or keep the coalition together. Hopefully. I am a little worried that they’re going to successfully beat the clock, at this point; he needs to die really, really soon now, I think...
IdolHandsDevil
Surely Vance is the glorious leader everyone wants
kroetoj
The thing is that dictators record their own rating
So Stumpy's will rise, even in the past
mjperk
Actively bleeding supporters. Really? I mean okay, the link I just looked at says he's down a few percent for this month relative to last. But at the same time I've also been reading tons of [anecdotal, I guess] examples where people will actively come out and say they'd let Trump rape their own daughter. Also, the survey that was just released which showed 75% of Trump supporters said they'd still support him even if his name was in the Epstein files. His base isn't going anywhere, IMO.
SavageDrums
Yeah, but they hold all three branches of government and are changing laws to keep them.
IdolHandsDevil
Also, Teflon Don is the only one his base finds immune to criticism. Everyone else Mr Tangerine Man has actively sown distrust in. Gonna be chaos once he kicks it
Eyeetsass
It’s going to be wild.
kerrigan778
Lol, the most of the vote Hitler ever got in a remotely free and fair election was 37% you are living in dreamland. Dictators record their own approval ratings.
Eyeetsass
When he dies his movement dies with him. He’s surrounded by incompetent opportunist vultures. This movement comes apart when the factions in the movement compete for dominance. They’re already doing it. There’s no one to operate, or maintain the Trump machine when he goes. The man can’t stand the idea of a successor because he has no values. It’s all bullshit.
johnnyhavok
If you think they don't have a plan for when Trump dies, that's just lack of imagination. I said it when Project 2025 first came to light, if THAT is what they realese to the public, what the hell are they planning behind closed doors? Sadly, I don't see any end to this without violence. I'm convinced people will not wake up in enough numbers to matter until it is either nearly too late or too late.
JackYouMagnificentSoB
I agree. This is more of a cult than a political movement.
Eyeetsass
There is a fascist movement riding Trump, and the cult. Without Trump they will lose the cult.
cytherians
The powerful "THRUST" of the movement will be severely cut, but the movement won't die. The question is... who is poised to take over? JD Vance is certainly not that person. The right-wing barely tolerates him. Stephen Miller is a fascist extremist.
I think they were hoping Elon Musk would end up rising to the occasion and they'd find a way to override the "natural born citizen" rule. But Musk is a mess. Speaker Johnson is a meek little weasel. So... who could it be?
TheZerax
I really hope it does what it seems like it will do and it fractures into a bunch of different subgroups that hate each other, that will basically take the wind out of their sails.
Eyeetsass
I don’t see anyone in their landscape. Trump would perceive this person as a threat right now.
TheZerax
Exactly, and by eliminating those threats, he also sets up the empire to fail.
genepoolboy
Does it need to be an actual approval rating, or just one that is reported?
Grenateh
There have t been successful fascist dictatorships.and their approval rating was high because they deleted disapprovers.
Whitebeardthepirate
except trump doesn't give a fuck. he's in now, and has what he needs. the people and the will of the people are now null and void to him. he has his SS of ICE, his bodyguards in courts and congress and senate to protect him, so what's left to threaten him?
cytherians
If a tsunami of voter turnout causes a flipping of the House to Democrats, it won't be settled easily. Trump will cry "FRAUD!" immediately and use everything in his power to muster doubt about the election. He will try to override it. Of course, his claims will be totally hollow. But I wouldn't put it past Miller architecting a false flag operation to make it look like there was intentional fraud. I really fear November of 2026. It's going to be a nightmare, no matter which way you look at it.
Eyeetsass
The more lives he ruins for his whack job gun nut cultists the more likely it becomes that one of them will take matters into their own hands.
Whitebeardthepirate
it is literally a countdown to civil war
Eyeetsass
It will be a war within their own party. He’s much much older, and has accomplished much much less than Hitler.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
You just wait .. once the media is fully locked down his approval rating will hit those numbers.
Imnotasithlord
Thank you for stating this.
OneGuyOnTheInterwebs
Also lacks the support of the military.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
They have been steadily replacing the top brass.
aRabidGerbil
They seem to have been perfectly happy to do whatever he wants in LA and DC
CallMeCourierSix
That's not required anymore.
Because none of those coups happened in the richest country in the world. With the backing of the richest people in the world. Once you have the 1% on your side, you can do anything, to anyone, and stay in power.
Photeus
My hope is that when people and corporations look at the bottom line (you're fucking with their money) there will be a snap-back. However if farmers are any indications, it'll just turn to begging for handouts until things 'get better'
Arkvoodle
If only being unpopular stopped him from doing terrible shit. He needs to be removed. He will not leave if we boo loud enough.
GuysJustWannaFish
He received 77 fuckin million votes for his third election. That's enough of an approval rating
grool
Every little shred of hope counts
JohnSmithterms
I think you are wildly optimistic. This is death by 1000 cuts if you look at the things stephen miller , steve bannon said or listen to the senators or reading project 2025 this is going to take time, and they have 3 years. I dont think trump will even make it to the end. I think he is a useful idiot who will be discarded along the way for someone worse.
startedfromlurkingnowimhere
Thank you. Needed this take.
rulek
Until they control everything you watch, everything that gets published, including ratings.
Stefnos
but he's not bleeding support fast enough.... and the ones he have left are all the murder horny gun nuts
cytherians
THIS IS TRUE. But, it does make you wonder about statistics. Look what Trump just did. A jobs number report he didn't like made him fire the non-partisan head of labor statistics. She was just doing her job. Now he's inserting a loyalist in her place.
Trump is an idiot. Clever, and intimidating, but makes so many blunders. People are pissed. But if the GOP loses the House? He will definitely cry foul with no proof, making 2020 look tame by comparison.
RoutemasterFlash
He's definitely the cleverest idiot going.
Bobbutnotthatbob
That’s simply not accurate. The Nazi party wasn’t the majority party. They mirror our situation pretty well, a minority hate group takes control and changes the rules, stuffing positions with incompetent loyalists. The recorded popularity of despots is always absurdly high BECAUSE THEY SAY WHAT IS TRUE.
Gerokeymaster
Yep. Up until the day they took over, the Nazis never controlled above 30% or so of the vote in the reichstag. But the bigger coalitions all ignored them and fought amongst themselves, which let them manage to gain a controlling interest in the government and a chancellorship despite being a minority party. At which point they immediately used their new power to disenfranchise the other parties to ensure they'd *stay* in power.
ChosenChaos
In the November 1932 election (the last even vaguely free election before Hitler was appointed Chancellor), they got 33% of the votes. That was still enough to give them more seats than the next two parties - the SPD and KPD - combined, though.
The reason Hitler was appointed Chancellor was that he promised Hindenburg that he could deliver a functional coalition government that wouldn't need the borderline abuse of emergency decree powers to get any legislation passed.
ChosenChaos
I don't count the March 1933 election because the words "free", "fair" or "democratic" can't be used due to Hitler unleashing the SA on the other parties. Even then, they didn't secure a majority (43%) which is why the Enabling Act was rammed through with the support of Zentrum and the DNVP.
CPTBRUMBL3Z
We're literally being taken over by modern day nazis and Mamdani still can't get an endorsement from Schumer or Jeffries. History doesn't repeat, instead it rhymes.
Gerokeymaster
Yup. We never *really* learned the lesson of earlier far right groups. People forget the Nazis weren't jackboots and gas chambers day 1, and so they'll *obviously* see the next ones coming. But movements like that don't go full supervillain until they know there's noone left to stop them. TFG himself, and the MAGA movement as a whole ,owes its current power, and possibly even its existence at all to people assuming they're too fringe or too small to bother uniting against for too many years.
Bobbutnotthatbob
Any elected official with a vote that wins by more than 60% is a red flag. Votes are counted in the margins, with exceedingly few instances of large groups agreeing on anything, let alone 90+% agreeing on who should be in charge
ridureyu
Except that’s why they are removing the vote.
Look at the USSR. Do you think that the Soviet premiers were popular when people starved on sawdust bread? Of course not! But what recourse did they have when they would be crushed and shot if they protested? Most people will keep their heads down and suffer under a regime in the hopes that maybe it will fall sometime later.
Selfinflictedwounds
It took the economic collapse and troops refusing to shoot citizens for Russia to collapse. Trump will handle the economic collapse just need peaceful protests for the rest
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
Have you heard of Nepal?
MeestowKitty
But they were popular when they initially took control in the Revolution. It doesn't matter if they maintained the popularity, that's what the violence is for. It matters if they ever had it. He did not.
historymemesandstuff
No they weren't they actually never got more than 25 percent of the vote. There was an election shortly before the revolution so we know this for sure
FaeVikingPrincess
I would think the people would really hate the group that overthrew their own revolution and interim government because they didn't like the idea that the people wwre forming a democracy and not a 1 party totalitarian state
ridureyu
He had enough popularity to seize power. Remember how evil most Americans are.
MeestowKitty
Again, for like the 5 millionth time, he didn't seize power, he stole an election. And it is most Americans, its barely 1/4.
MeestowKitty
isn't*
RoutemasterFlash
He won fair and square with 50% of the votes. Or 1/3 if you want to include everyone who could have voted but didn't.
The 25% figure is nonsense based on the idea that children can vote, which they obviously can't.
DoctorCaptainProfessorAmazing
So...... he took something. Something that wields a lot of power. One might say he even seized it.
kickahippie
Idk if this is entirely true. Brazil just voted out and jailed their wanna be dictator. He was opening calling for a military coup.
Once the courts are corrupted is when the real problems start, or the legislature willfully hands over its powers to the executive.
And neither of those things have happened yet.....
Bojovnik84
Well, you are slightly incorrect. Brazil elected someone before it got as bad as it did. Had Balsonaro won a second time, they'd be right here. We did the same by going to Biden, but we failed to hold Trump accountable and now we're here.
The right is always projecting and by calling us the violent left, they are telling everyone that we are gonna get violent and remove them.
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Margrave9000
Both sides trolling = closeted fascist speaking.
History shall judge you.
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Margrave9000
There are two sides in Brazil.
One is the fascist side. The other is ther antifascist side, obviously. Lula is a hero of the international working class, who has condemned the Zionist genocide and supports 2S+LGBTQQIA rights.
Decent people (and you very clearly aren't one) support Lula in his fight against fascist Bolsonaro.
Strangeboke
Its not true at all, there are dozens of examples of countries sliding into authoritarianism and pulling back. This isn't even new for the USA arguably since we had Nixon doing a lot very authoritarian things. Fascism is ultimately just a label.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Omg what? Your supreme Court is already gone and many of your lower courts.
Also your legislature has been handing over powers like no one's business.
Are you some kind of pro trump bot?
NickRivieraMD
Sarcasm?
rfleming1080
The courts already favor the white, upper class.... what exactly is left for them to take?
RoutemasterFlash
That's the difference between winning an election and seizing power. Bolsanaro did the former but didn't get round to the latter. Trump has done the former, and it remains to be seen whether he's achieved the latter.
swofromtherock
Didn't the court have a justice taking bribes and still keep his seat? How do you honestly believe they aren't corrupted?
imaynotbeasmartmanjenny
In the July 2024 case of Trump v. United States, the Court granted presidents broad protections from criminal prosecution for official acts performed while in office. and In June 2025, the Supreme Court ruled in Trump v. CASA that lower federal courts have limited authority to issue nationwide injunctions against presidential policies. They've been slowly handing it over
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
It already started.
tzahtman
SCOTUS is already corrupted and has been for a while now.
oldguyexlurker
Nice. You forgot the /s, but I think we all understand it was there in spirit...
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
that "yet" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here...
SeriousHustler
As a Brazilian I’d like to add 2 points about our case and where it may unfortunately differ from the US:
1. The courts didn’t bend the knee: our Supreme Court is luckily much more moderate than the US, and have repeatedly ralied behind Alexandre de Moraes in his fight for democracy. Will SCOTUS act the same?
2. The left has a very charismatic and beloved face: Bolsonaro didn’t just lose the election, he was beaten by Lula, and it had to be Lula. What’s the face of the American left?
Margrave9000
AOC, most likely.
LokJok
No shade on AOC, but definitely not her. AOC leans left, but she still didn't explicitly denounce genocide. She also lacks the experience or skill to project her message as say, Bernie.
AOCs popularity is largely a creation of right-wing media. Their intention was to make her the avatar of the left, while painting her an inexperienced, dumb, uppity woman of color. Turns out she's actually pretty intelligent and steadfast, and subsequently gained experience. Maybe in 10-15 years, but not yet.
zechor
Then who?
I keep getting the feeling on here that everyone subscribes to the "no true scotsman" view of the populist left.
LokJok
There's a general feeling of "no true scotsman" probably because the Democratic Party leadershik has been so, so disappointing.
I don't know the answer to "who", but the left leaning pols with the best chances are probably Beshear or Pritzker. I wouldn't even call Pritzker left, but at least he seems to have some interest in helping people.
SJBSavageInk
Korea did too. Difference is, the other politicians actually helped to get rid of them. Ours are outnumbered by the sycophants
factcheckmate
That happened after Lula came to power. We should have done after Jan 6 during Biden, now maybe too late
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
The moment our courts became compromised we became fucked. I don't think the military will disrespect unlawful orders at this point. Turns out this system of rules and laws we built were just pinky swears. "He can't do that!" hasn't stopped him yet. Everyone is perfectly placed to kiss his ass. Unqualified people who have had zero experience in the positions they hold but swore loyalty to him.
santawashere
The military was never going to refuse unlawful orders. The amount of right wing lunatics who go into the military is just as bad if not worse than those that go into the police force
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Good point!
IncognitoEnthusiast
Brazil got hella violent, I don't know where you are coming from there. And in the US they haven't quite gotten the reins entirely, somehow they are still so inept they keep jumping the gun. THe mid terms are the last chance to end what is going on in the US without open violence, and even a win there you will still have some pockets occuring.
wadatahmydamie
I don’t think the midterms will be canceled - I could be wrong, but I think their strategy will be to stifle progressive messaging across all the media platforms they own, which will give the election a veneer of “this is what the people voted for.”
I don’t have high hopes. I’m still regularly scolded by purity leftists for participating in voting.
ItawtItawApuddyTat
They will be canceled in some places. Those "lawless" places where the national guard is needed. Those votes won't be counted. Those reps will not be seated.
IncognitoEnthusiast
The fact that midterms are even scheduled shows they dont have the grip on power that they really need right now. I dont have high hopes either but even a simple majority in a single house would reek havoc on their plans it it went left.
Also I dont get your last line there, scolded by purity leftists?
wadatahmydamie
There are leftists who, in spite of having deep, well-founded reservations against the DNC, still voted for Harris because the alternative is what we’re dealing with now.
And then there are leftists who did everything they could to join MAGA in attacking the DNC, then stayed home because they were too pure to vote for an imperfect candidate.
stephseviltwinII
*wreak havoc