Sep 17, 2021 9:23 PM
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andaWoss
Urgalicity
This is what happens when the marketing department minds their business.
NyxieStyx
But do you have to unbolt it from the transmission before you slide it out ?
PerryTheInventor
Nope. Cause this is how you adjust the seat.
BaddyOneShoe
I'm doing a body off on a C3 corvette. EVERYTHING is the opposite of this.
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HeadJamistan
oof a 5-star. For shame @op
Cheomesh
M113 engines do this too
tlamstrike
Very common on military vehicles. It goes back to the at least M7 medium tank from WWII if not earlier.
Frio937
Jokes on the Dealership. I won't buy vehicles that suck to repair.
AlexanderSupertramp
My friend doesn’t get it
MajikMessiah
The one and only example. /s
BobHubert
Saw a video of a dodge delivery van. If they had to do an engine out, they had a special crane to get the engine out through the body cabin
thundercactus
Well it was also when getting 100k km on an engine was considered an amazing feat.
LeMegachonk
This would require the engine/transmission to de-couple from the rest of the drivetrain. Having to unbolt the transmission to change the /1
air filter would be a pain.
imnotthatblonde
a well machined spline would work well..
ReginaKasteen
You say that until a whisk gets stuck in it and it won't slide open.
anotherIngloriousHandle
wait a minute. what kind of transmission? drive shaft?
buickgnx88
Bluetooth driveshaft
ChristopherTallant
Notice the last time this was thought about was when the world was in black and white. Now vehicles are recyclable.
ChaoticSystem
until the locking mechanism fails
EngineeringComedy
The who?
warfman9000
1950 DAF-Domburgh diesel!
Tswiggs
This is a generator basically. Modern class a motor home still use this design.
StoreCitizen
https://twitter.com/daftrucksuk/status/852499111496601600
Higure
Is this the right place to bring up the Framework laptop that has the tech reviewers all giddy? https://frame.work Still a start-up, so 1/2
limited selection and afaik only ships to US. LTT review: https://youtu.be/0rkTgPt3M4k. Rossmann review: https://youtu.be/vQLws5KfntE. 2/2
(Linus himself invested a quarter of a million dollars in the company after that review. If this takes off, it's a game changer. 3/2)
Waytigo
Not the magic bus I was thinking about
looseasamoose
Guessing this is an approach to high availability where this APU (someone said it might be AC) can be swapped out rather than serviced.
bloxxing
back in the days b4 'minimise cost above all else.'
Tangentbordskrigare
5/5 The motherboard tray is removeble
Rauca
Similar to the DAF-Domburg Diesel Bus from 1950.
This is the one I mentioned
MeshelleBain
Engineers are paid by the car manufacturers to try and cut out your average mechanic so you have to go to the dealership.
HaloArchitect
I'm with @bcuzz: The dealership also employs mechanics.
bcuzz
False. Prove me wrong. Source?
My source was my father, who worked for GM. Sadly, I can't direct you to him as he has passed on years ago.
TerribleGoose24601
Agreed. I have some fairly new high-end cars and the maintenance and repairs aren't really any harder than anything else.
Yes there are some dealer-only jobs and special tools but they are fre and far between.
outdoorsman537360
How about requiring a special tool to access a normally east fix? Adding torx screws, 10.5mm bolts, removing entire dash to replace sensor
Penguin427
OEMs rarely spec fasteners outside of power/drivetrain - that tends to be on suppliers. And hard to access components are simply 1/5
a result of cost vs. risk of component failure. I.e. if the chances of said sensor failing is suspected to be very low, increasing 2/5
complexity of the dash/layout for the sake of easier access increases costs with no benefit (assuming sensor failure rate is indeed low) 3/5
Blackfinity
That looks like an auxiliary engine to run the air conditioning like old GM 4104s used to use. It's too small to be a bus's prime mover.
mirotvorez1130
Nah it's plenty big to be the main engine. Would be amazing if one could pull the whole engine out and work on it or place it so easily.
NoClueII
ha. we were mislead again. thank you.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
TBF, it's apparently a Dutch minibus so not exactly an articulated city bus or anything.
Zzombee
Yeah now that you mentioned it it’s kinda small to be primary bus engine.
ic3m4n89
Plus it's mounted on the front, i don't remeber ever seeing a bus with front mounted engine
Squelchtone
School bus
guitarfourtysix
Could you even slide a full-size bus engine without some kind of machinery? I have to imagine they're pretty hefty.
Older Detroit Diesel powered-buses had a subframe-like structure at the back of the bus that carried the engine and transmission and...
... which could be decoupled and removed entirely with a large fork-truck but not really anything someone could reasonably...
... move by hand: an 8V92 DD weighs ~2400-lbs.
JAPONfan
The engineer was fired for this as it added cost to production, weight and different engineering to decouple the engine in said way
Peachos
Came here for this. Not that it wouldn't be doable, but maybe on a concept, it's too complex for standard production.
reddenbocker
Was he really?
lildumptruck
No lol
thrashingcows
Gray365
That looks like the air compressor
It looks like a compressor was put on the back of the engine, but it's clearly not just a compressor.
That’s a heck of a big motor to drive an air compressor..;). Think it has an air compressor on the side, but is most likely a V8 diesel.
Eyhlix
Which does still compress air even if fuel is mixed with it. ;)
thedill2000
Likely the most repaired thing
Really241
Source or lies
BADASSartoo
Here https://images.app.goo.gl/GuEwgb9ERyfkcx1n8
DavidBrooker
It's not that engineers don't think about mechanics, or that they don't know what mechanics want, it's that mechanics are fourth in line 1/n
for priority, after their employer, the dealerships, and the customers. Anything that can make mechanics lives easier will be added IF 2/n
it isn't a negative for the company, it's dealers, or its customers. 3/3
BigFatFailureTurtle
And if course, anything that makes it easier to maintain reduces future sales opportunities.
That can be the case, but it depends a lot on the product. Some things are expected to be a lot more durable than others. If a public 1/2
transit vehicle can't last 16 hour days for 30 years, it's not cutting the mustard. 2/2
Actually, probably fifth in line after government regulators.
AmHumanNotLizardMan
All we need most of the time in the ship business is like, an extra 2mm gap between the valve and the PCD nuts. Like dude, a ring spanner
should fit at a bare minimum!
Oh man, I was just thinking of automotive. Commercial marine is so much worse. Are you private or government?
DonKeydic
Nice try.
jdwagBugVillain
I was just thinking about battleship videos on YouTube and how their was no dealership, customer or government regulation to worry about
And they still seemed to make maintenance tasks pretty damn hard.
I have worked on frigates and tank-landing craft carrier ships. They do not make things easy, and often the pipework doesn't *actually* fit,
they just slung the flange ends into the right place with a pulley to assemble it when the ships were built instead of remaking the pipes.
andaWoss
Urgalicity
This is what happens when the marketing department minds their business.
NyxieStyx
But do you have to unbolt it from the transmission before you slide it out ?
PerryTheInventor
Nope. Cause this is how you adjust the seat.
BaddyOneShoe
I'm doing a body off on a C3 corvette. EVERYTHING is the opposite of this.
[deleted]
[deleted]
HeadJamistan
oof a 5-star. For shame @op
Cheomesh
M113 engines do this too
tlamstrike
Very common on military vehicles. It goes back to the at least M7 medium tank from WWII if not earlier.
Frio937
Jokes on the Dealership. I won't buy vehicles that suck to repair.
AlexanderSupertramp
My friend doesn’t get it
MajikMessiah
The one and only example. /s
BobHubert
Saw a video of a dodge delivery van. If they had to do an engine out, they had a special crane to get the engine out through the body cabin
thundercactus
Well it was also when getting 100k km on an engine was considered an amazing feat.
LeMegachonk
This would require the engine/transmission to de-couple from the rest of the drivetrain. Having to unbolt the transmission to change the /1
LeMegachonk
air filter would be a pain.
imnotthatblonde
a well machined spline would work well..
ReginaKasteen
You say that until a whisk gets stuck in it and it won't slide open.
anotherIngloriousHandle
wait a minute. what kind of transmission? drive shaft?
buickgnx88
Bluetooth driveshaft
ChristopherTallant
Notice the last time this was thought about was when the world was in black and white. Now vehicles are recyclable.
ChaoticSystem
until the locking mechanism fails
EngineeringComedy
The who?
warfman9000
1950 DAF-Domburgh diesel!
Tswiggs
This is a generator basically. Modern class a motor home still use this design.
StoreCitizen
https://twitter.com/daftrucksuk/status/852499111496601600
Higure
Is this the right place to bring up the Framework laptop that has the tech reviewers all giddy? https://frame.work Still a start-up, so 1/2
Higure
limited selection and afaik only ships to US. LTT review: https://youtu.be/0rkTgPt3M4k. Rossmann review: https://youtu.be/vQLws5KfntE. 2/2
Higure
(Linus himself invested a quarter of a million dollars in the company after that review. If this takes off, it's a game changer. 3/2)
Waytigo
Not the magic bus I was thinking about
looseasamoose
Guessing this is an approach to high availability where this APU (someone said it might be AC) can be swapped out rather than serviced.
bloxxing
back in the days b4 'minimise cost above all else.'
Tangentbordskrigare
5/5 The motherboard tray is removeble
Rauca
Similar to the DAF-Domburg Diesel Bus from 1950.
StoreCitizen
https://twitter.com/daftrucksuk/status/852499111496601600
Rauca
This is the one I mentioned
MeshelleBain
Engineers are paid by the car manufacturers to try and cut out your average mechanic so you have to go to the dealership.
HaloArchitect
I'm with @bcuzz: The dealership also employs mechanics.
bcuzz
False. Prove me wrong. Source?
MeshelleBain
My source was my father, who worked for GM. Sadly, I can't direct you to him as he has passed on years ago.
TerribleGoose24601
Agreed. I have some fairly new high-end cars and the maintenance and repairs aren't really any harder than anything else.
TerribleGoose24601
Yes there are some dealer-only jobs and special tools but they are fre and far between.
outdoorsman537360
How about requiring a special tool to access a normally east fix? Adding torx screws, 10.5mm bolts, removing entire dash to replace sensor
Penguin427
OEMs rarely spec fasteners outside of power/drivetrain - that tends to be on suppliers. And hard to access components are simply 1/5
Penguin427
a result of cost vs. risk of component failure. I.e. if the chances of said sensor failing is suspected to be very low, increasing 2/5
Penguin427
complexity of the dash/layout for the sake of easier access increases costs with no benefit (assuming sensor failure rate is indeed low) 3/5
Blackfinity
That looks like an auxiliary engine to run the air conditioning like old GM 4104s used to use. It's too small to be a bus's prime mover.
mirotvorez1130
Nah it's plenty big to be the main engine. Would be amazing if one could pull the whole engine out and work on it or place it so easily.
NoClueII
ha. we were mislead again. thank you.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
TBF, it's apparently a Dutch minibus so not exactly an articulated city bus or anything.
Zzombee
Yeah now that you mentioned it it’s kinda small to be primary bus engine.
ic3m4n89
Plus it's mounted on the front, i don't remeber ever seeing a bus with front mounted engine
Squelchtone
School bus
guitarfourtysix
ReginaKasteen
Could you even slide a full-size bus engine without some kind of machinery? I have to imagine they're pretty hefty.
Blackfinity
Older Detroit Diesel powered-buses had a subframe-like structure at the back of the bus that carried the engine and transmission and...
Blackfinity
... which could be decoupled and removed entirely with a large fork-truck but not really anything someone could reasonably...
Blackfinity
... move by hand: an 8V92 DD weighs ~2400-lbs.
JAPONfan
The engineer was fired for this as it added cost to production, weight and different engineering to decouple the engine in said way
Peachos
Came here for this. Not that it wouldn't be doable, but maybe on a concept, it's too complex for standard production.
reddenbocker
Was he really?
lildumptruck
No lol
thrashingcows
Gray365
That looks like the air compressor
Peachos
It looks like a compressor was put on the back of the engine, but it's clearly not just a compressor.
thrashingcows
That’s a heck of a big motor to drive an air compressor..;). Think it has an air compressor on the side, but is most likely a V8 diesel.
Eyhlix
Which does still compress air even if fuel is mixed with it. ;)
thrashingcows
thedill2000
Likely the most repaired thing
Really241
Source or lies
BADASSartoo
Here https://images.app.goo.gl/GuEwgb9ERyfkcx1n8
BADASSartoo
Here https://images.app.goo.gl/GuEwgb9ERyfkcx1n8
DavidBrooker
It's not that engineers don't think about mechanics, or that they don't know what mechanics want, it's that mechanics are fourth in line 1/n
DavidBrooker
for priority, after their employer, the dealerships, and the customers. Anything that can make mechanics lives easier will be added IF 2/n
DavidBrooker
it isn't a negative for the company, it's dealers, or its customers. 3/3
BigFatFailureTurtle
And if course, anything that makes it easier to maintain reduces future sales opportunities.
DavidBrooker
That can be the case, but it depends a lot on the product. Some things are expected to be a lot more durable than others. If a public 1/2
DavidBrooker
transit vehicle can't last 16 hour days for 30 years, it's not cutting the mustard. 2/2
DavidBrooker
Actually, probably fifth in line after government regulators.
AmHumanNotLizardMan
All we need most of the time in the ship business is like, an extra 2mm gap between the valve and the PCD nuts. Like dude, a ring spanner
AmHumanNotLizardMan
should fit at a bare minimum!
DavidBrooker
Oh man, I was just thinking of automotive. Commercial marine is so much worse. Are you private or government?
DonKeydic
Nice try.
jdwagBugVillain
I was just thinking about battleship videos on YouTube and how their was no dealership, customer or government regulation to worry about
jdwagBugVillain
And they still seemed to make maintenance tasks pretty damn hard.
AmHumanNotLizardMan
I have worked on frigates and tank-landing craft carrier ships. They do not make things easy, and often the pipework doesn't *actually* fit,
AmHumanNotLizardMan
they just slung the flange ends into the right place with a pulley to assemble it when the ships were built instead of remaking the pipes.