A rare example where an engineer thought about the mechanic.

Sep 17, 2021 9:23 PM

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5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is what happens when the marketing department minds their business.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But do you have to unbolt it from the transmission before you slide it out ?

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Nope. Cause this is how you adjust the seat.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm doing a body off on a C3 corvette. EVERYTHING is the opposite of this.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

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5 years ago (deleted Oct 21, 2024 11:38 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

oof a 5-star. For shame @op

5 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 3

M113 engines do this too

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Very common on military vehicles. It goes back to the at least M7 medium tank from WWII if not earlier.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Jokes on the Dealership. I won't buy vehicles that suck to repair.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My friend doesn’t get it

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The one and only example. /s

5 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 1

Saw a video of a dodge delivery van. If they had to do an engine out, they had a special crane to get the engine out through the body cabin

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Well it was also when getting 100k km on an engine was considered an amazing feat.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This would require the engine/transmission to de-couple from the rest of the drivetrain. Having to unbolt the transmission to change the /1

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

air filter would be a pain.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

a well machined spline would work well..

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You say that until a whisk gets stuck in it and it won't slide open.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

wait a minute. what kind of transmission? drive shaft?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bluetooth driveshaft

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Notice the last time this was thought about was when the world was in black and white. Now vehicles are recyclable.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

until the locking mechanism fails

11 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The who?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1950 DAF-Domburgh diesel!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is a generator basically. Modern class a motor home still use this design.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Is this the right place to bring up the Framework laptop that has the tech reviewers all giddy? https://frame.work Still a start-up, so 1/2

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

limited selection and afaik only ships to US. LTT review: https://youtu.be/0rkTgPt3M4k. Rossmann review: https://youtu.be/vQLws5KfntE. 2/2

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

(Linus himself invested a quarter of a million dollars in the company after that review. If this takes off, it's a game changer. 3/2)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Not the magic bus I was thinking about

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Guessing this is an approach to high availability where this APU (someone said it might be AC) can be swapped out rather than serviced.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

back in the days b4 'minimise cost above all else.'

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

5/5 The motherboard tray is removeble

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Similar to the DAF-Domburg Diesel Bus from 1950.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is the one I mentioned

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Engineers are paid by the car manufacturers to try and cut out your average mechanic so you have to go to the dealership.

5 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 9

I'm with @bcuzz: The dealership also employs mechanics.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

False. Prove me wrong. Source?

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

My source was my father, who worked for GM. Sadly, I can't direct you to him as he has passed on years ago.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Agreed. I have some fairly new high-end cars and the maintenance and repairs aren't really any harder than anything else.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes there are some dealer-only jobs and special tools but they are fre and far between.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How about requiring a special tool to access a normally east fix? Adding torx screws, 10.5mm bolts, removing entire dash to replace sensor

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

OEMs rarely spec fasteners outside of power/drivetrain - that tends to be on suppliers. And hard to access components are simply 1/5

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

a result of cost vs. risk of component failure. I.e. if the chances of said sensor failing is suspected to be very low, increasing 2/5

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

complexity of the dash/layout for the sake of easier access increases costs with no benefit (assuming sensor failure rate is indeed low) 3/5

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That looks like an auxiliary engine to run the air conditioning like old GM 4104s used to use. It's too small to be a bus's prime mover.

5 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 2

Nah it's plenty big to be the main engine. Would be amazing if one could pull the whole engine out and work on it or place it so easily.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

ha. we were mislead again. thank you.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

TBF, it's apparently a Dutch minibus so not exactly an articulated city bus or anything.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah now that you mentioned it it’s kinda small to be primary bus engine.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Plus it's mounted on the front, i don't remeber ever seeing a bus with front mounted engine

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

School bus

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Could you even slide a full-size bus engine without some kind of machinery? I have to imagine they're pretty hefty.

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Older Detroit Diesel powered-buses had a subframe-like structure at the back of the bus that carried the engine and transmission and...

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

... which could be decoupled and removed entirely with a large fork-truck but not really anything someone could reasonably...

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

... move by hand: an 8V92 DD weighs ~2400-lbs.

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The engineer was fired for this as it added cost to production, weight and different engineering to decouple the engine in said way

5 years ago | Likes 815 Dislikes 6

Came here for this. Not that it wouldn't be doable, but maybe on a concept, it's too complex for standard production.

5 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 0

Was he really?

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

No lol

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

5 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 1

That looks like the air compressor

5 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 4

It looks like a compressor was put on the back of the engine, but it's clearly not just a compressor.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

That’s a heck of a big motor to drive an air compressor..;). Think it has an air compressor on the side, but is most likely a V8 diesel.

5 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Which does still compress air even if fuel is mixed with it. ;)

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Likely the most repaired thing

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's not that engineers don't think about mechanics, or that they don't know what mechanics want, it's that mechanics are fourth in line 1/n

5 years ago | Likes 161 Dislikes 1

for priority, after their employer, the dealerships, and the customers. Anything that can make mechanics lives easier will be added IF 2/n

5 years ago | Likes 123 Dislikes 0

it isn't a negative for the company, it's dealers, or its customers. 3/3

5 years ago | Likes 78 Dislikes 0

And if course, anything that makes it easier to maintain reduces future sales opportunities.

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That can be the case, but it depends a lot on the product. Some things are expected to be a lot more durable than others. If a public 1/2

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

transit vehicle can't last 16 hour days for 30 years, it's not cutting the mustard. 2/2

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Actually, probably fifth in line after government regulators.

5 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 0

All we need most of the time in the ship business is like, an extra 2mm gap between the valve and the PCD nuts. Like dude, a ring spanner

5 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

should fit at a bare minimum!

5 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Oh man, I was just thinking of automotive. Commercial marine is so much worse. Are you private or government?

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Nice try.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was just thinking about battleship videos on YouTube and how their was no dealership, customer or government regulation to worry about

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And they still seemed to make maintenance tasks pretty damn hard.

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I have worked on frigates and tank-landing craft carrier ships. They do not make things easy, and often the pipework doesn't *actually* fit,

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

they just slung the flange ends into the right place with a pulley to assemble it when the ships were built instead of remaking the pipes.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0