The uneducated masses of the US don't realize that our military, including the guard, are not trained or versed in civil law enforcement? My country is full of fucking retards.
This is just a dress rehearsal for slapping down any descent. It's also the real purpose of ICE.🚨 The Republican Party is facing a major backlash! 🚨 Their handling of immigration and ICE has been a disaster. And let's not forget their economic policies, which have led to rising prices and stagnant job growth. 📉 The federal courts have been a bulwark against their attempts to undermine democracy. 🙌
They should do this at an actual protest event. Get everyone involved. :) (also, as an ex-soldier I know what it's like to be harassed for things that are absolutely out of your control. Blame where blame lies.)
Soldiers don't hand over their moral agency at the barracks gates. These guys absolutely have control over if they follow the orders to occupy their own country in a show of force for a forming dictatorship. Of course they shoulder part of the blame for being there.
As a military vet,,.. not fulfilling your contract comes with pretty severe consequences the least of which is an dishonorable discharge, if you go AWOL during a deployment, there could be serious legal actions
So at what point do we expect them to actually stand up for and defend the Constitution/people? Sure there are consequences, but why am I supposed to care about consequences to them over any other random American whose rights are being trampled?
That's you, and I respect your opinion. They don't want to risk their future careers, criminal records, etc.. by going AWOL from the military. They signed the contract and knew the consequences.
This seems more like it was dubbed over, rather than played behind them, I'd've at least expected to hear some background noise, like the car that went past.
Those are some tight pants on the discount ranger there.
As a Staff Sergeant she should know that 1. Thats not now you wear a Patrol Cap. 2. thats not how you wear fatigue pants. and finally, 3. you don't shove a water bottle in your plate carrier.
Her First Sergeant or Sergeant Major needs to square her away.
Honestly, at least in this instance they're showing the kind of restraint that police have been incapable of. They have the good grace to look miserable.
This is cuz these guys are dong their actual JOB. Not cosplaying cops or whatever the fuck ice guys do. I think that if shit went down, they would not be the first to throwdown and would show some respect(And would be obvious they understand they are facing the very citizens they are meant to protect and serve, unlike most cops)
That's because our solider are more trained the our police. Its their command structure that's fucked. A cop can violate an unlawful order and the worst thing that could happen is they'll get fired. If a solider violates an order, lawful or not, they'll get court marshalled. I don't blame soldiers. I blame the commanders that allowed Trump to do this.
They are miserable. Same thing that happened in LA, they have low morale because they were sent there with no legitimate purpose. They're there as props for a wannabe strongman. They're away from their families on assignment that has a lot of them picking up trash on the street because they don't know what to do with all of them.
They are also working on 29- day deployments. Why 29 days? Because if their deployment is 30 days or longer, they get additional pay and benefits. Trump made sure they run consecutive 39-day deployments instead.
They could quit. And should. If Burger King asked you to throw coffee in the faces of Black people, I think a lot of people would quit. Or if Staples asked you to follow all the Latinos around the store to make sure they weren't stealing, you might quit.
Invading a city to be an intimidating force for what we know is all about the non-white people....
Revolt. Overthrow the man breaking their country and freedoms. That's what the us military swears to do, protect the Constitution, not the president. Trump has broken the law of the land repeatedly, he should be killed for it.
They're supposed to refuse illegal orders. They violated their oath by showing up. It sucks if they were pushed to make that choice, but they made that choice.
You can't reason with ICE. They're secret "police" with varying uniforms, no badge numbers or names, and they won't even show their faces. But military? Most of them still have some semblance of accountability - we actually all know the oath they took, they're subject to court marshalls and international humanitarian laws, and they wear uniforms consistent with each other that have their names displayed. They can be shamed
Heard an interview today with a community activist and she was not a trumpet but said her neighborhood was safer. Counter interview activist said the dealers went underground and are doing more stealing. Multifaceted situation dependent upon what you experience.
The national guard swore an oath to the constitution. they SHOULD be shamed. most of the "ice" clips you see are bounty hunters who didnt do anything but look for brown people to collect bounties.
it sucks for them but they are the representatives of the government who sent them. i think the imperial march is perfect to illustrate that, the grunts follow the orders but the real baddies are at the top.
This is true. I just think the hate at the lower levels need to be directed at federal ice agents who specifically signed up for this and any LEO that participates. They can quit. They should quit.
It's not something you can "just quit". They've enlisted, same as active duty, so "quitting" comes with desertion and dishonorable discharge (best case is other than honorable). That blacklists you from most civilian employment even as a part timer, so no, they can't just quit. They can do exactly what they're doing: a lazy approach to following orders and being as non-threatening as they can. Cleaning up trash. Most (can't say all) don't want to be there and know it's wrong. Don't blame them
Did 12 years in the guard, most of it active and overseas. We had one order that was illegal in the entire 12 years I was in. We brought the concern to our leadership, they kicked it up the pipe, order was revised and sent back down the pipe. Same order, new wording, made it legal. They could do this, easily. I'll also say this very slowly for you: Natl. Guard. Is. Dept. Of. The. Army. You. Cannot. Quit. They can, however, courtmarshal you. And then you receive the green weenie, sandpapered.
Not jail...prison. there is a difference. These people have families. They didn't sign up for this. ICE agents signed up for this. The nation gaurd is hands off. They aren't fucking with people. Sure they could go spend the rest of their lives in prison. Leaving g their family destitute. Again this isnt what they signed up for. I dont see you out there fighting and being thrown in prison for the morally correct thing.
Tell me you have never signed a US Army National Guard contract without telling me you have never signed a National Guard contract... it is irrevocable and you get to join for 8 years.
Tell me, how does one break a US Army contract? Cuz I spent 10 years in and saw a LOT of people try to quit... from Active Duty, from various state's National Guards and the USAR...
Unless you are going for a Big Chicken Dinner or Disability, you are not going anywhere.
You can just quit if you think the orders you have been given are an absolute farce and that it is worth the consequences to be against what ever the fuck is going on in the USA.
So they made the choice that actively participating in the destruction of democracy and rule of law and going to militarily occupy the capital is a smaller price to pay than facing a courtmartial.
I mean, that's their choice. But they carry the responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
That is very misleading. I am certain that you have no association with the military, friends, family, or even your own service.
They could get court martialed if they do something that would hinder the unit, like disabling the trucks. They could get a NJP for refusing the deployment. Yes, it could impact their future promotions, but so could enabling a fascist takeover.
The national guard is hands off. They aren't arresting people. They aren't assaulting people on the street. People are focused on the wrong people. The ICE agents are the ones that need to be stopped.
You're absolutely correct but still, the National Guard shouldn't be deployed in this way. They're there to help in emergencies, and to protect civilians. Instead, they're being used as a show of force, to intimidate civilians into compliance. They aren't protecting civilians from being abducted off the streets by the American Gestapo that we know as ICE, they're there to intimidate.
Ah yes, the good old comment section hero who would definitely resist and fight instead of just going with the option that allows him to continue living in relative comfort.
Immoral orders aren't illegal. They didn't join the NG to do Trump's bidding. These are state troops. They join to support their state in emergencies and to receive benefits like college tuition. Soldiers aren't allowed to question or criticize the president. Ignoring objectionable orders will result in immediate imprisonment.
I guess they will be of very heavy heart and sorry, when they come to occupy your city and assist ICE and police in dragging innocent people out of their houses. They are the real victims here.
I don't want ICE or the NG in any city. The NG should only be deployed for emergencies by the state governor. Trump is playing with words in order to get around the laws. There's no emergency. It's all made up. Publicly he says they are supporting the law enforcement but in reality he's just using their presence as a deterrent from interference.
The clue is, they are deliberately using red state national guard in blue cities. Most of those guardsmen are brainwashed and pumped to be there and "help cleaning Democrat cesspools from their self afflicted crime."
They could not meaningfully act against a national guard that refused orders en masse. They can act against individuals, but even most hard dictatorships get very careful to treat soldiers that refuse by the company or battalion with soft >
well I really think it is impossible to fuck this up so bad. How about to go back and actually read what I posed instead of vomting horseshit all over the post?
Yeah lots of lower court judges have done this. It doesnt mean anything to the trump administration. When it gets to the Supreme Court and trump ignores it let me know. I mean he'll still ignore it but no one is out there enforcing it.
"According to the U.S. Constitution and federal law, control of the National Guard is dual: state governors control their state's National Guard units for state-specific missions, while the President can federalize them for national missions, such as responding to invasion or insurrection..."
They could do do what the Marines did when they were sent to LA. Shit on the seats in the humvees and other vehicles the officers and snco's sat in as well as other things
dirtyFrenchman
nik282000
rbudrick
Fuck your morale.
narcoleptiKnickers
Hey soldiers. You on your way to collect the Epstein files? Are they this way? Maybe they're behind that hedge?
Thapoopthattookapee
The uneducated masses of the US don't realize that our military, including the guard, are not trained or versed in civil law enforcement? My country is full of fucking retards.
Helixninja333
Not a great song since they will think it's cool. Rather, give them an actually marching song that was made for soldiers: https://youtu.be/vnfWSx4fVMM
Shawnofavitch
This is just a dress rehearsal for slapping down any descent. It's also the real purpose of ICE.🚨 The Republican Party is facing a major backlash! 🚨 Their handling of immigration and ICE has been a disaster. And let's not forget their economic policies, which have led to rising prices and stagnant job growth. 📉 The federal courts have been a bulwark against their attempts to undermine democracy. 🙌
Firebird36
They should do this at an actual protest event. Get everyone involved. :) (also, as an ex-soldier I know what it's like to be harassed for things that are absolutely out of your control. Blame where blame lies.)
mercyPandaRunner
Soldiers don't hand over their moral agency at the barracks gates. These guys absolutely have control over if they follow the orders to occupy their own country in a show of force for a forming dictatorship. Of course they shoulder part of the blame for being there.
Serega81
As a military vet,,.. not fulfilling your contract comes with pretty severe consequences the least of which is an dishonorable discharge, if you go AWOL during a deployment, there could be serious legal actions
zFUBARz
So at what point do we expect them to actually stand up for and defend the Constitution/people? Sure there are consequences, but why am I supposed to care about consequences to them over any other random American whose rights are being trampled?
Serega81
That's you, and I respect your opinion. They don't want to risk their future careers, criminal records, etc.. by going AWOL from the military. They signed the contract and knew the consequences.
AshtonNight
https://youtu.be/TwPLqGkYnBA?si=N26j9GTEY3Vx9Jc9
teardropivyyearofthetiger
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlNWY2dDk0Z3ZyZDV1bm84NzA4MXU0OHlobGhjamVjZnMwOTN6cm15eiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/4Z9fSEFAuxpnlBVWQx/200w.mp4
thechelonianshelmet
This seems more like it was dubbed over, rather than played behind them, I'd've at least expected to hear some background noise, like the car that went past.
AtmaDarkwolf
is def dubbed over, can even see her (one on the right) turn and speak to the person filming.
PantsAreForTheWeek
That shit's objectively funny. Well done!
JUNK13B01
Dat ass
W92Baj
Isn't there a Tuba version they could use?
CaptainProcrastinaut
Top tier trolling. They look miserable, especially the one talking to the camera
OldBikerDude
That soldier is thicc!
terajack2048
I thought mp’s were like jacked up steroid people
clutchthepearls
Private Dump Truck.
Cilvaa
Draggin' a wagon
OvertleyBadpickuplines
Should play green acres theme with all the landscaping, or give them coupons for lowes and home depot.
LordHosk
Those are some tight pants on the discount ranger there.
As a Staff Sergeant she should know that 1. Thats not now you wear a Patrol Cap. 2. thats not how you wear fatigue pants. and finally, 3. you don't shove a water bottle in your plate carrier.
Her First Sergeant or Sergeant Major needs to square her away.
zFUBARz
Commanding officer possibly been transferred and replaced with an inept loyalist.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
MP = Military Police ?
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
Yes
unannouncedguest
Fuck em!!!
DarkVoivod
Hey, they're just following orders.... (:s because that's never not necessary these weird, weird days)
harmsebamse
Just need an i, before that mp
AshtonNight
For those saying they should just refuse their orders to deploy to cities, this legal eagle video explains it nicely.
https://youtu.be/TwPLqGkYnBA?si=N26j9GTEY3Vx9Jc9
FeralBurnett
Why waste an epic march song on those fuckers?!
TheCunningLinguists
Niagaran
No participating members of the National Guard should know peace so long as they are there.
Make their lives a living hell.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
That being said and laughed at, shortie on the right's got CAKE!
CP3oh
Honestly, at least in this instance they're showing the kind of restraint that police have been incapable of. They have the good grace to look miserable.
AtmaDarkwolf
This is cuz these guys are dong their actual JOB. Not cosplaying cops or whatever the fuck ice guys do. I think that if shit went down, they would not be the first to throwdown and would show some respect(And would be obvious they understand they are facing the very citizens they are meant to protect and serve, unlike most cops)
chuckaholic
I trained for 9 months before I could even be attached to a unit. And TRADOC training is 24/7. There's a difference.
malbec
Not enough. Bring Kids, explain to your kid loudly, “this is a traitor.“
GreenFox
That's because our solider are more trained the our police. Its their command structure that's fucked. A cop can violate an unlawful order and the worst thing that could happen is they'll get fired. If a solider violates an order, lawful or not, they'll get court marshalled. I don't blame soldiers. I blame the commanders that allowed Trump to do this.
ItsATrap
Barbers are more trained than our police.
pareidoliaperson
Looks like she's saying 'please stop'. He at least she said please.
Leaveittojebus
They are miserable. Same thing that happened in LA, they have low morale because they were sent there with no legitimate purpose. They're there as props for a wannabe strongman. They're away from their families on assignment that has a lot of them picking up trash on the street because they don't know what to do with all of them.
TopBananna999
They are also working on 29- day deployments. Why 29 days? Because if their deployment is 30 days or longer, they get additional pay and benefits. Trump made sure they run consecutive 39-day deployments instead.
johnxbear
That middle one wants to do something about it lol
Niagaran
For all the apologetic bootlickers saying the NG can't refuse a "legal" order -- they CAN and should be conscientious objectors.
AshtonNight
https://youtu.be/TwPLqGkYnBA?si=N26j9GTEY3Vx9Jc9
TheStealthHippopotamus
Conscientious objector in an all volunteer military force? How does that work? Does it work? Honest question, I have no idea
Niagaran
They could quit. And should.
If Burger King asked you to throw coffee in the faces of Black people, I think a lot of people would quit. Or if Staples asked you to follow all the Latinos around the store to make sure they weren't stealing, you might quit.
Invading a city to be an intimidating force for what we know is all about the non-white people....
TheStealthHippopotamus
They can’t “just quit”. This isn’t a fast food job.
Niagaran
No, it's not fast food. It's less.
It's a one-fucking-weekend a month job so they can play a part in a military white supremacist machine.
Exyr
The nationagaurd shouldn't be there but what are they supposed to do? It's these ICE mother fuckers that are the real issue
Strategicgnomer
Revolt. Overthrow the man breaking their country and freedoms. That's what the us military swears to do, protect the Constitution, not the president. Trump has broken the law of the land repeatedly, he should be killed for it.
mercyPandaRunner
What they are supposed to do? Not following orders by an authoritarian government to occupy their own country, maybe?
I guess those guys are even being thanked for their service...
hexephant
They're supposed to refuse illegal orders. They violated their oath by showing up. It sucks if they were pushed to make that choice, but they made that choice.
MapleSyrupMafia
They can shoot ICE, that would be a start.
abtei
"I just followed orders"
powwerbottom
You can't reason with ICE. They're secret "police" with varying uniforms, no badge numbers or names, and they won't even show their faces. But military? Most of them still have some semblance of accountability - we actually all know the oath they took, they're subject to court marshalls and international humanitarian laws, and they wear uniforms consistent with each other that have their names displayed. They can be shamed
Goldensands
This
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
Heard an interview today with a community activist and she was not a trumpet but said her neighborhood was safer. Counter interview activist said the dealers went underground and are doing more stealing. Multifaceted situation dependent upon what you experience.
GorillaPowers
They could fucking quit
idrinkcheapbeer
The national guard swore an oath to the constitution. they SHOULD be shamed. most of the "ice" clips you see are bounty hunters who didnt do anything but look for brown people to collect bounties.
WowThatUsernameIsSoOriginal
it sucks for them but they are the representatives of the government who sent them. i think the imperial march is perfect to illustrate that, the grunts follow the orders but the real baddies are at the top.
Exyr
This is true. I just think the hate at the lower levels need to be directed at federal ice agents who specifically signed up for this and any LEO that participates. They can quit. They should quit.
SternLecturePlumbing
Get the fuck out.
Exyr
Of where?
4Astaroth
The City and the reserve. Or they can help the citizens against Ice. That would be an honorable cause.
davcam
The Nation Guard is not the reserve
countervail247365
They could quit the reserve. It's a paid job. They made choices.
Weavedaddy
It's not something you can "just quit". They've enlisted, same as active duty, so "quitting" comes with desertion and dishonorable discharge (best case is other than honorable). That blacklists you from most civilian employment even as a part timer, so no, they can't just quit. They can do exactly what they're doing: a lazy approach to following orders and being as non-threatening as they can. Cleaning up trash. Most (can't say all) don't want to be there and know it's wrong. Don't blame them
ChristopherHaarlock
Did 12 years in the guard, most of it active and overseas. We had one order that was illegal in the entire 12 years I was in. We brought the concern to our leadership, they kicked it up the pipe, order was revised and sent back down the pipe. Same order, new wording, made it legal. They could do this, easily. I'll also say this very slowly for you: Natl. Guard. Is. Dept. Of. The. Army. You. Cannot. Quit. They can, however, courtmarshal you. And then you receive the green weenie, sandpapered.
Exyr
Yeah i dont think you can just quit. Pretty sure its a full commitment and quiting or refusing to work gets you prison time.
nik282000
So, support a racist, bigoted, dictator, or go to jail. One of those is the morally correct decision.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Oh fuck off, people like ypu are always the first to bend the knee in the real world when you can't hide behind a screen and pretend to be brave.
Exyr
Not jail...prison. there is a difference. These people have families. They didn't sign up for this. ICE agents signed up for this. The nation gaurd is hands off. They aren't fucking with people. Sure they could go spend the rest of their lives in prison. Leaving g their family destitute. Again this isnt what they signed up for. I dont see you out there fighting and being thrown in prison for the morally correct thing.
nik282000
Not my fucking country, you idiots voted for this.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Tell me you have never signed a US Army National Guard contract without telling me you have never signed a National Guard contract... it is irrevocable and you get to join for 8 years.
myotheralt
Tell me you have never heard that a contract can be changed or broken.
I am fully aware of what it means to sign that contract.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Tell me, how does one break a US Army contract? Cuz I spent 10 years in and saw a LOT of people try to quit... from Active Duty, from various state's National Guards and the USAR...
Unless you are going for a Big Chicken Dinner or Disability, you are not going anywhere.
hgfurgyhauh4uhghghuhgiqguhniij
The National Guard and the Reserve are different services. Both have terms of service form which you can not just quit.
nik282000
You can just quit if you think the orders you have been given are an absolute farce and that it is worth the consequences to be against what ever the fuck is going on in the USA.
davcam
That's really not how the military works. Guard troops have lives outside the military and refusing orders would destroy their life.
myotheralt
Ok, well let's not make their lives hard by standing up for what is morally right.
TheBurpyPony
That's desertion, even for reserve/guard. That could include prison time. You are obligated to disobey illegal orders. Not quit.
StarmineRendezvous
Good news(not really but...), most of the orders coming out of the White House and all associated, have been illegal.
Doompug
So say that you have become gay over the weekend. You'll be out in a day.
LazerSpacePirate
Probably what the Germans said about the SS too
mrthewhitee
They can protest and refuse imoral orders.
Exyr
No they can't. Not without being courtmartialed and sent to prison for who knows how long.
mercyPandaRunner
So they made the choice that actively participating in the destruction of democracy and rule of law and going to militarily occupy the capital is a smaller price to pay than facing a courtmartial.
I mean, that's their choice. But they carry the responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
suiseiseki
Actually they can be courtmartialed for following those immoral orders.
magikmarker
That can be the cost for standing up for what's right.
myotheralt
That is very misleading. I am certain that you have no association with the military, friends, family, or even your own service.
They could get court martialed if they do something that would hinder the unit, like disabling the trucks. They could get a NJP for refusing the deployment. Yes, it could impact their future promotions, but so could enabling a fascist takeover.
TheRedBaron8
The Posse Comitatus Act, passed in the US in 1878, prohibits federal military forces from acting as a domestic police force.
mrthewhitee
Oh no! Guess there's no choice but to violate peoples rights. No one has ever gone to prison in protest. /s
Exyr
The national guard is hands off. They aren't arresting people. They aren't assaulting people on the street. People are focused on the wrong people. The ICE agents are the ones that need to be stopped.
nation543
You're absolutely correct but still, the National Guard shouldn't be deployed in this way. They're there to help in emergencies, and to protect civilians. Instead, they're being used as a show of force, to intimidate civilians into compliance. They aren't protecting civilians from being abducted off the streets by the American Gestapo that we know as ICE, they're there to intimidate.
Itaru
Ah yes, the good old comment section hero who would definitely resist and fight instead of just going with the option that allows him to continue living in relative comfort.
mrthewhitee
Ah yes, good old comment section hero who doesn't want to see anyone fight back against anything.
davcam
Immoral orders aren't illegal. They didn't join the NG to do Trump's bidding. These are state troops. They join to support their state in emergencies and to receive benefits like college tuition. Soldiers aren't allowed to question or criticize the president. Ignoring objectionable orders will result in immediate imprisonment.
mercyPandaRunner
I guess they will be of very heavy heart and sorry, when they come to occupy your city and assist ICE and police in dragging innocent people out of their houses. They are the real victims here.
davcam
I don't want ICE or the NG in any city. The NG should only be deployed for emergencies by the state governor. Trump is playing with words in order to get around the laws. There's no emergency. It's all made up. Publicly he says they are supporting the law enforcement but in reality he's just using their presence as a deterrent from interference.
mercyPandaRunner
So why are they going along with it?
The clue is, they are deliberately using red state national guard in blue cities. Most of those guardsmen are brainwashed and pumped to be there and "help cleaning Democrat cesspools from their self afflicted crime."
They could not meaningfully act against a national guard that refused orders en masse. They can act against individuals, but even most hard dictatorships get very careful to treat soldiers that refuse by the company or battalion with soft >
myotheralt
Soldiers aren't allowed to *while in uniform or as a public statement for their unit*.
A soldier may have whatever opinion he wishes to have, and out of uniform can express it in any legal manner.
mrthewhitee
I don't care what is and isn't illegal in a nazi state
myotheralt
Everything Hitler did was legal. He saw to that.
Gayforbae
Thats easy to say when it isn't your ass on the line.
mrthewhitee
Well, they signed up for the job of defending the country. Don't take the job if you aren't willing to do it.
trhopkins
The court has already held their deployment as illegal. The commanders can take them home
davcam
Only the deployment to California, which for the most part has already finished
Exyr
Which court are you referring to?
trhopkins
well I really think it is impossible to fuck this up so bad. How about to go back and actually read what I posed instead of vomting horseshit all over the post?
trhopkins
"Judge rules Trump’s use of US military in LA illegal " : https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5481178-judge-rules-trumps-use-of-us-military-in-la-was-illegal/
Exyr
Yeah lots of lower court judges have done this. It doesnt mean anything to the trump administration. When it gets to the Supreme Court and trump ignores it let me know. I mean he'll still ignore it but no one is out there enforcing it.
justaguyinthebackrow
LA is different than DC. The federal goveenment has constitutional authority to control law enforcement in DC.
trhopkins
"According to the U.S. Constitution and federal law, control of the National Guard is dual: state governors control their state's National Guard units for state-specific missions, while the President can federalize them for national missions, such as responding to invasion or insurrection..."
Covidien8768
They could do do what the Marines did when they were sent to LA. Shit on the seats in the humvees and other vehicles the officers and snco's sat in as well as other things
Exyr
I'm all for that. I never heard of this happening.
Covidien8768
Its on the lance corporal underground