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PhilMcrevice
If we just find out where the WiFi is and unplug it, I think that would be definitive proof.
RichardParkerTiger
According to my 6 yr old "If we talk about it, it's not a simulation anymore"
wrxagon
You're reality is just a reflection of your ego. Even I'm a figment of your imagination b/c you interpret my words as you want and (1/2)
wrxagon
so is unique to anyone else's interpretation. The world is as YOU see it therefore it is a different reality to everyone else.
FirstThingThatCameToMind
Anyone who thinks they're in a simulation thinks they're player1 when they would actually just be an npc
guntbagmunkball
What a load of shite. Keep seeing this, they proved nothing.
SlightlyFunctioningSociopath
https://giphy.com/gifs/adultswim-Eo3zFYUBdAtHi
Sm9yCg
It is only possible to proof that we live in a simulation if that simulation is faulty. It is impossible to proof anything else.
TiredoNames
Can't prove it is real either
littlemachete
CziltangBrone
What if the universe which contains the simulator has different rules than our universe?
ATLandNerdy
It would make sense that things get simplified the further down you go, Portal uses physics models, but it's not doing quantum simulation.
stormegedendarklordofall
Well, we could just be a car battery...
ATLandNerdy
CziltangBrone
What if the universe which contains the simulator has different rules than our universe?
MandatoryEels
So what if the most meaningful day of your life was a simulation operating at minimum capacity
AssapoopshitsMassachusettz
Contingency plan
Ch3mis7
The point of the paradox is you can't prove it one way or the other.
eadanke
They finally patched the bug that let you poor jerks notice you were in a sim? Nice. Now if only they made this game more alt friendly.
BrockAppDancer
The trick is watching for cats repeating!
Isaypoopythingsbecausemostofyouannoyme
This guys taking Roy off the grid!
covfefetarian
Source?
Tinkrr
If this is a simulation, I'm going to go full Agent Smith and try to ascend to the next level of reality.
Gatadata
how about i write a stickman who believes he is real, huh? what's he gonna do?
WhatTheDormouseSaid
I want peer reviewed evidence.
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
That is what the simulation makes you want!
Naseth
oh sure, those science shills are just part of the simulation! STAY WOKE!
WillJeSuis
If only we could hack the simulation to get better stats...but no, I'm just a shitty random NPC.
AtLastWeMeetForTheFirstTimeForTheLastTime
In unrelated news, physicist around the world taking strange blue pills.
Nicholascagewithacoathangerandnicklebackalbums
What's so strange about Viagra?
MarkusJunnikkala
RandomStardust
Though our birth rate is going down within those same margins..
Remainder
In related news, no physicist in their right mind would claim to know whether we are/aren't living in a simulation. At best, there's a
Remainder
strong statistical argument that we are, since one universe could contain many simulations, which could themselves contain many etc..
IWishIHadASoul
NikFeder
Do you want to know what matchmaking is?
Piornet
This is fucking stupid. If the universe is a computer construct there would be no way of measuring anything outside of it any more than we
GuardsmanMiku
well it may be possible to prove it's a simulation but not disprove. Similar to the whole god thing
GuardsmanMiku
i mean if we did some crazy physics experiment and sudenly an error message the size of Jupiter apeared in the sky that'd be a bit of a hint
Spaid47Trey57
No, it isn't 'fucking stupid'
Piornet
Can measure the world outside of the universe if it weren't. This is stupid fucking click bait shit.
heroofhyla
Agreed. The sims have no way to know they're living in a game, it's the only reality they can even imagine.
StinkFox
it just has to be designed that way, computers measure things all the time, like when they're attached to cameras etc.
ATLandNerdy
Ever seen a hacker escape a VM into it's hypervisor? Let's do it! Let's hack the bastards!
vowofloudness
That's not necessarily so. If the designers are imperfect, there may be ways for information to leak through. Still clickbait though.
Lilly64
I think the usual answer is that if we find an end or pattern to pi, then that would be evidence of a simulation
ArdentSlacker
Basic philosophy: If it's the universe you live in, it IS your reality.
vowofloudness
But if it can be proven there's another universe outside of it, THAT is your reality.
DongSayaDae
His reality is simply a universe within a universe - its not per se "limited to 1 reality", ans since we cant prove any of it we can only
DongSayaDae
Decide by what we feel/think - "is my bed real?" Its nice to lie on and i feel it so it is real to me, wheter or not it is real or not.
vowofloudness
I've always liked "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K Dick
ohjohnboy
It also depends on your definition of reality. I think the one here would be "the univserse which is most parent, or first". So if you did..
ohjohnboy
Live in a universe within a universe, it wouldn't be reality in that sense
Oliv1
We are not living in a simulation because it's would be so much easier for any aliens to just populate empty planet with us than build super
Oliv1
computer to run the simulations. Also the computer uses more energy than a real thing.
vowofloudness
This is nonsense. Humans run computer simulations of real-world phenomena all the time, saving time and energy.
MrPeebles
Our simulations don't account for quantum randomness, etc. The PBS article linked above/below explains the theory on that. That in mind,
MrPeebles
it also links to other scientists pointing out that these "findings" could just be more simulation data being fed to us and not true, heh.
Oliv1
But not at this scale. Simulating a small part of reality is cheap, simulating the whole planet is expensive.
N0q3
So I looked this up and this is the stupidest clickbait garbage I have ever seen, proves nothing, and only demonstrates something that 1/?
N0q3
everyone should have figured out if they gave the concept of what this "disproves" any thought at all; that you can simulate the universe2/?
N0q3
inside a computer inside the universe, something that is impossible through paradox. it does NOT account for the possibility of being a 3/?
N0q3
simplified simulation inside of a computer inside of a far more complex universe, or even a universe where our physics doesn't perfectly 4/?
N0q3
line up with it. It only disproves that we could be a perfect simulation of our universe on a machine within our universe. 5/5
aflarge
The thing about simulation theory is it is inherently impossible to prove. Any "proof" we find could always just be how reality actually is.
copingcabana
6 x 9 = 42
AdamantlyDislikingAllDogs
Just like multiverse theory, chaos theory, and most every other religion.
ChrisWsrn
Or reality is the simulation.
ATLandNerdy
We could never prove it false, only true, by escaping the virtual container or doing a side channel timing attack.
Aligatorlog
"Last Thursday'ism'"
DysgraphicProgrammer
Programmer here, read the article, all they proved was that one algorithm was impracticable. The usual overblown nonsense.
PeeonTrotsky
Thanks for being the voice of reason.
wrxagon
That's why its so difficult to figure out if you're dreaming. Your brain tells you "nah, man this shit is real, you're crazy"
FreakedFack
(2/2) However that's just by our conceptual computational devices. Who knows if infinite storage comes about one day?
ReaLifeSmeagol
Every program has a bug, we just have to find it.
Killstealer
well if that definition is used; unfalsifiable hypothesis fallacy would state that either the hypothesis is flawed or our definition is.
lordbucket
The thing about objective reality theory is that it's impossible to prove. Any "proof" we find could always just be part of the simulation.
PinnappleTang
It's like walking around a video game and trying, from inside the game, to prove that the computer is real.
Remainder
It's quantum cellular automata all the way down.
987654321111
And the opposite is true cos it could all just be a really good simulation
craaaaaaaaaaaaig
What if the earth actually is flat except its a hologram on a treadmill and we can never get to the edge. We need to do more CPU heavy tasks
ohjohnboy
We need to reinact that episode of Rick and Morty then
AkodoSturm
Think statistics. There is 1 real universe, that can run infinite simulated ones. So the odds are ours is real is 1: infinite => infinite.
wormfood
I don't think that's how that works. It's not random. You have to prove that there would be a reason to simulate a universe.
ohjohnboy
If I could simulate a universe on my laptop, I would for funsies. There's the reason
TheAdventuresofStealy
Haven't read the paper but I'd think this is limited to things like ancestor simulations, where the rules are meant to match the real world
DigitalSword
They found that computing the data of every state of even a couple hundred of electrons would take more atoms than are in our entire 1/
usernameczecksout
Thanks for the summary. Did they address the point that only what’s observed has to be computed, greatly lowering the processing necessary?
DigitalSword
universe, and it only increases at an exponential rate from there, even adding 1 particle would double the computing power necessary 2/2
DigitalSword
That would mean to simulate one universe you would effectively need trillions upon trillions of universes worth of computer power
WhatIfTho
It seems like a lot relative to our understanding. But maybe those running the simulation are just reeeally big with lots of power
Orangicus
you're incorrect. It would have to be a personal experience as proof. "Waking up" from the simulation would be the proof.
Orangicus
It is difficult on every level to determine what is real and what is not. I ask you: what do you presume is the mechanism of simulation?
dovebair
What if that's dreams time?
DongSayaDae
And how would you know you woke up? When you wake up from a dream, but you are still dreaming, it is inherently at that point impossible to
DongSayaDae
Know if you are in a simulation or not. Only way to know woild be if people went flickering/static - but again that may just be "reality"
DongSayaDae
End of the day - it is impossible to know or prove either path, so all you can do is decide for yourself "am i real?", if you think "yes"
DongSayaDae
Simply dont think about it all since it wont matter. "Truth is in the eye of the beholder" so to speak. So even if this is a simulation and
aflarge
Shit, even if some god-like entity appeared and told us we're a simulation, that could STILL just be some alien fucking with us.
wrxagon
http://gph.is/2j2sDxA
focusundrunkes
Fuckin a. Wisdom.
wrxagon
something something rick and morty
aflarge
and, of course, the REAL brain-teaser, is even if we are.. so what? That changes nothing.
HipHopSaint
That's the whole point of "The Matrix."
Fyba
It changes everything, but nothing. Nothing is different, but the meaning behind it all is completely different.
mufasa1028
Krympehl
copy paste?
damspam
Yep. We're all essentially playing Roy. Don't go back to the carpet store
StrawberryPrincess92
Unless only a few people are in the simulation, trapped for all of their lives, while in the real socialist utopia they are milk carton kids
legallynotabinder
That's not true! If we are then it's possible to hack it. This means cheating the system is possible
IlluminaBlade
Don't get noticed though.
aflarge
If you managed to "cheat" it, that wouldn't be cheating, it'd just be "Well shit, I guess we were wrong about how that worked."
Lionskull
that's called science.
legallynotabinder
But we could break science
NipplesTheEnchiIada
Have you played Star Ocean: Til the End of Time? I know for a fact that we can do something about it!
Canteu
I got every single battle trophy in that game. That... took a while.
NipplesTheEnchiIada
Did you beat the secret boss?
paladinofseattle
I named my daughter after Sophia!!
Koandaj
Now there's a game I haven't played in years! Loved crafting weapons in that game for some reason...
FreakedFack
Well, not quite. If we can prove an infinity is real, like PI, then the data storing of that in a finite computer is impossible. (1/2)
Alfadorfox
But pi isn't like a physical constant, it naturally arises from how we do math and geometry. You don't need an exact value for it "stored".
ATLandNerdy
In the real world, Pi equals 5.
poochyena
No its not. 1/3 is infinite, but I can store "1/3" just fine on my computer.
FreakedFack
Right, I should have said the digits of Pi, which a sim could procedurally generate regardless of it being infinite or not.
MaurogDark
Dude, if you managed to prove infinity is real, then that makes an infinite computer possible by definition!
FreakedFack
Not really? If you mean by construction, then no. Massive objects tend to compress into stars or black holes, in our universe.
aflarge
So who's to say it's a finite computer? Who's to say anything about the laws of physics that regulate whatever simulates our reality?
FreakedFack
The finiteness is addressed in (2/2). About the laws of physics; if we can't assume they're at least similar, then we can assume nothing.
aflarge
That's my whole point, though. If we're a simulation, we've got no way of knowing anything about "real" reality.
FreakedFack
If A and B are indeterminable from each other, their distinction is redundant. If so, then what? Pointless question by definitions.
FreakedFack
If we can't assume they're similar, then the question is meaningless 'cause we'll, by definitions, never know and never have the chance to.
stonebrood
that's been my contention with this kind of thing since I was 10. The whole brain in the jar thing just makes everything pointless
FreakedFack
Not everything else. The proposition is meaningless as it would not matter, wouldn't change things the slightest. Things' value is the same
LoadTheJumpProgram
Any entity that can create the system we know as our known universe has a much deeper grasp of all possible physics and reality combinations
Knilore
What if pi does have an end? Or does it start a loop or pattern somewhere?
FreakedFack
Not so far we know. There's some consequences to that I don't recall, but basicly if it did we could represent it as a series of fractions.
Knilore
I thought it was the fraction 22/7? It's been a while since school though.
FreakedFack
That's the first 11 digits of PI.
ParanoydAndroid
This is not even a little correct. "Infinity" is already proven real. What you're talking about is representing an infinite number
ParanoydAndroid
Which, in a similar, just means that for any n we calculate pi to the nth digit. But the sim can always just calc to n+1.
ParanoydAndroid
Since we could, obviously, never store or represent all infinite digits, we could never "check" the sim in the way you're describing.
facktrick
It's still hotly debated whether infinite is "real" or not...and it sure as hell hasn't been "proven"
Blrp0
Infinity is not "proven real"; it is simply a concept that we can define mathematically in a variety of ways. But yeah he is super wrong.
Blrp0
What in the seven fucks are you talking about?
FreakedFack
In computer programming there's a few ways to calculate numbers of many digits; you 'cheat' and reduce the amount of digits.
FreakedFack
This is because a finite computer can't represent an infinite amount of digits, 'cause memory. Infinite digits = infinite memory required.
FreakedFack
But that's just the limits of our technology as far as I am aware of. Maybe a quantum computer could have infinite memory.
Blrp0
Why would we want to store an infinite amount of digits?
FreakedFack
'cause memory is a large barrier to overcome when it comes to computers?
SavageRancor
Well the theory goes that while pi may be 'infinite' the numbers only exist when observed, so space is not required
novianc
So we need alot of robots woth their own piece of the pi
SavageRancor
...triggered. hahaha na i guess
McDouggal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wtcn_MkKL8
Allofyoush
In other words, Pi only needs to exist for how much we measure it.
ohjohnboy
Something infinite could never be measured larger than the observable universe, yet we can conceptually think of something larger. Interesti
Allofyoush
No we can't. We can't even conceptually imagine how big the universe is right now. It's mind blowing huge. We can't even comprehend how big.