This really grinds my gears...

Aug 29, 2013 4:31 PM

ohsnapdragons

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A girl on my Facebook posted this the other day

with the caption "This is what we all looked like at 12 weeks in the womb. Legal to kill in all 50 states. Anyone think its not a person? Pass this along. It literally might save a life." This is a girl who is studying for her Bachelor of Social Work. A field in which you study child development (including fetal development).

This is what a fetus ACTUALLY looks like at 10-12 weeks.

I believe that every one is entitled to their own beliefs on the subject of abortion. Pro-Choice? Pro-Life? Cool, but PLEASE for your own sake, do not use ridiculous propaganda to back your beliefs. No one is going to take your argument seriously if you use images like the first one posted. You come off as misinformed and uneducated.

Here is a picture of my cat, because Imgur.

"do not use ridiculous propaganda to back your beliefs" - Yeah. Um. This is imgur. That's pretty much all that happens here.

13 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 3

I don't see much difference

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Those look pretty similar...

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

You are right ,they do.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It is in our nature to fear death and guard all infants, whatever their age or condition. We will never be comfortable with abortion.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

However, we've travelled far from the treetops and savannas, and our nature is no longer our sole guide.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

From the thumbnail, I thought it was a picture of a T-Bone steak. I was sadly mistaken.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

a feTus-Bone steak?

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

If the child is unable to be supported, you're pro-birth, not pro-life.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

As a social worker ... our job isn't to judge and push our opinions. I fear for this girl's future clients.

13 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 5

+1 because cat.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

I scrolled down looking for this exact comment!

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This goes for politics, religion and really any belief in life. Don't use outlandish lies to trick people into believing you.

13 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

+1 for facts.

13 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 9

Pro-choice does not always mean "pro-abortion" ... but it does mean "I recognize it's none of my goddamned business".

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

You. I like you.

13 years ago | Likes 125 Dislikes 20

This will lead to a slippery-slope. If we just let everyone choose to bring their facebook fights here what would happen?

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

They actually look pretty similar to me.

13 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 2

Agreed

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's the problem. You can't debate abortion. No one is pro abortion. Some people just want the choice for a different life.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

The internet says that the first image is a sculpture of the size / appearance of a fetus at 12 weeks old, not an actual fetus.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

As a morally pro-life and politically pro-choice person, the real truth is that it isn't life vs choice but rather coat hanger vs doctor.

13 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 6

I have never before met someone who shares my sentiments on this issue so exactly.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

With the amount of birth control available, there really is no excuse.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 13

"Plan B" pills and what not are biochemically horrendous.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Birth control pills are not 100% effective.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

birth control is not readily available to all that want it.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

You cant refuse to outlaw something because somebody somewhere will do something stupid to get around it.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 15

You do understand that it's a fact that abortion rates SKYROCKET in countries where it's completely outlawed, while (1/2)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So all those would be mothers who would otherwise have kids, are rebelling and killing their kids out of protest where it is outlawed?

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

in countries where abortion is completely legal, abortion rates are at their lowest... Just pointing it out. (2/2)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

They tend to have much lower rates of birth as well.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

You clearly don't understand the psychology behind an abortion. If somebody is going to get one, they are going to get one regardless.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Same sort of logic is, "If I'm going to murder a person, I'll do it whatever the law says". Morality of a pro-lifer says abortion=murder.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Actually no, that is not the same sort of logic. Morality should tell you not to get one, not to force others to get back-alley botched ones

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Its not a matter of psychology. The fact people will break a law is not grounds to not have the law.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

Its not a matter of laws and lawbreaking, its a matter of life and death of an adult human being and active citizen.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

A death they chose to risk due to their own action.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

People will justify what they want to justify and employ double standards to do it. Don't let the down votes discourage you.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

The exact same argument can be made for any crime.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

If someone really wants to murder someone, they are going to manage it. Laws prohibiting murder are pretty pointless too.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

That's a horrible comparison, not the same psychological situation at all and a ridiculously skewed logical comparison infected by emotion.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Then point out the logical failures. What's the difference?

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Keep in mind you are trying to argue that illegalizing abortion will make NO difference in abortions. That's a huge claim.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I'm undecided on the abortion issue. On one hand, I support killing babies. But on the other hand, you're letting women make choices.

13 years ago | Likes 91 Dislikes 16

Lool

6 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

MRW I read your comment: http://imgur.com/d57UbiT

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

*clap*

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

I love this "joke"

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

brb going to hell for laughing

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I think that everyone should have the option for a safe abortion if the woman chooses to have one. However, I do think that if you are (1/?)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

choosing to have sex, you are choosing the responsibility or the consequences that come with it. That is the risk you are taking. (2/?)

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

And I understand that sometimes the unexpected happens (for example, contraceptives break or malfunction). Personally though, I would (3/?)

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

never get an abortion or recommend one unless it was a case of rape or if there was an issue with the mother's health. (4/done!)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No one happily walks into an abortion clinic. It's a very difficult, personal decision and it's a shame abortion rights are even debated

13 years ago | Likes 195 Dislikes 12

One's negative feelings on a particular action is irrelevant to whether or not that action is ethical.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

You all took that the wrong way. All I mean is it's not an easy decision and should be respected as a personal one. It's not your business.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Oh, well as long as they feel bad about, it's all okay then.

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 22

I don't think you know how everyone who walks into an abortion clinic feels.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 8

Exactly. This notion that everyone is sad when having an abortion is a myth. For most it offers amazing relief.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why does the enjoyment of abortion have any relevance? Its a private medical affair. The woman's feelings about the procedure? Irrelevant.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

How on earth is that a downvote? How are emotions relevant to medicine? If I felt chemo was wrong, would that matter? OF COURSE NOT!

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

it would to you

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Certainly, but my personal opinion on chemo would never be relevant to the treatment of another person. :)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

when you see someone do something you've been taught to be wrong, do you not try to educate them?

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

because that's exactly what you are doing

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh look...here is a post that i won't touch with a 50 foot pole....

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Am I the only one who thinks the 'picture' is pretty damn close to the 'actual'?

13 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

Looking pretty similar. The angle would make the one forehead look less large.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The fake one only has three fingers...

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fuck that shit. Who would deny the life of a human? It's not your decision, its not your body, it's a living SOUL. Put it up for adoption

13 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 5

As a pro-choice person, it's okay to be against abortion. It's not okay to be against contraception, education, and others' right to choose.

13 years ago | Likes 460 Dislikes 22

It's not okay to tell others what is and isn't okay to be against.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

As a pro-abortion person I'm against child births in general.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As someone who is pro-life, I'm all about education and contraception. Better to help prevent abortions. But that doesn't excuse murder.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

That's an empty statement. You're basically saying "It's ok to think something's wrong if you don't try to stop others from doing it."

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 11

I think that once the baby has brain waves it is a sentient being and therefore it would be wrong to kill it. That happened during the 2 tri

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

A bowl of Jello shows up on those machines, so you're "fact" is useless.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Really. Jello gives off electrical readings? Please, send me the article that told you that so I may be more enlightened.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Damn it! Your, not you're.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sentient or otherwise, it's a parasitic life form that requires another individual to exist.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Parasites are labelled parasitic animals whether they are in a parasitic stage of their life cycle or not. If the fetus is a parasite, (1/2)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

then every adult mammal, whether it be a human or an elephant, is also a parasite. (2/3)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If this is so, then the term has been so stripped of meaning as to be useless. (3/3)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'm sure you are familiar with symbiosis, and parasitism. Every fetus is parasitic in nature. That's not an opinion.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

While there are parallelisms that doesn’t mean that they are the same. (2/2)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

To be “parasitic in nature” is not to be a parasite. You are getting science wrong if you call a fetus a parasite (1/2)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

but... what if i thought it was murder? i don't mind being looked down upon for defending those who are defenseless.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

I'm pro-life, but I do believe abortions should be available. I just wish there were better institutions in place as an alternative.

13 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 3

should be available for what? rape? two wrongs don't make a right. maybe if it was a life or death situation for the mother but still foggy

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

life/death situations w/the mom. Abortion should be allowed. The mom's death would cause a greater impact that the child's death. (2)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't believe on a theoretical level that abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, but practically I understand it. As far as (cont 1)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Most anti-abortion people say it's murder. Are you alright with them being against murder, as long as they aren't against others murdering?

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

This a thousand times. Sometimes I don't think pro-choice people think the issue through, dismissing it as a religious stance.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

FYI I'm pro-choice. I think abortion can sometimes be for the best.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Exactly.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

As an unborn fetus, I downvoted this image.

13 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 5

Most fetuses can't survive birth before 25 weeks due to a lack of surfactant in their lungs. They aren't considered alive until that point.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

1/2) so... if it is not alive, then it could not grow? the cells are dying? does it no longer have a pulse? because it is growing, cells

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

They dont need their lungs at that point, so their lungs functionality dosent matter.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

In the event that a mother goes into labour prematurely, a lot of people would argue that lung functionality is essential.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

working lungs are not a criteria for determining if its alive.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

The ability to survive after birth is one of the factors used to determine the legal definition of being alive.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The earliest surviving child was born at 21 weeks. The definition of life should not be based on what med tech you have available to you.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

2/2) continue to multiply, and the fetus does have a pulse

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Indeed. However, in legal matters, the ability to survive ex-utero is essential.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/2) needs to be changed. This isn't the first time the Supreme Court was wrong, they once declared tomatoes a vegetable

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

1/2) how many of us could survive if we were stranded by ourselves cut off from society? not many. the legal definition of life is wrong and

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I don't like the terms "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice". To me, it implies that the other side doesn't believe in life or free choice.

13 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 8

The funny thing is that's about all that's been accomplished in this debate. We've gone from Pro-Abortion/Against-Abortion to these terms.

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I think they fit very well. Pro-Life, all for keeping life alive. Pro-Choice, all for allowing people to choose their own stance on abortion

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

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13 years ago (deleted Mar 30, 2017 5:20 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Amen.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Pro-Life often see it as: you're free to make choices BEFORE conception, but after, life takes priority over the individual's choices.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Pro-choice and Anti-choice work well for me. No Pro-choice person is anti-life, but Pro-lifers are anti-choice.

13 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 10

Unless we're talking about the choice of the unborn, then fuck that choice.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 13

I'm more than willing to ask every fetus what it chooses and do whatever it says I should do to stop it from being aborted.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Well, I haven't heard of any of them choosing.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The unborn can't make the choice.

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

If you don't even have a functioning nervous system, you can't really make a choice.

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

so let's pass laws that protect people with functioning nervous systems

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

yeah, we have those.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Wrong. Pro-lifers tend to be more conservative, which means less desire for governmental interference, which equals choice.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 14

Oh, if only simple obfuscation through word choice actually worked on intelligent people. Conservatives want smaller, more authoritarian (1)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

Pro-lifers tend to be for the death penalty.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yes, but due to the choices made by that person (so in essence respecting choice more than others).

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

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13 years ago (deleted Oct 15, 2013 12:25 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

by terms such as "free markets" and "deregulation." Take a peek at who actually benefits from those concepts, and you might see (3)

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

government and lower taxes, which actually works out to provide far fewer choices to the vast majority of citizens, disguised (2)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

You seem to have no idea what is actually being disguised. Pro-life = no right to CHOOSE abortion = no choice = anti-choice.

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Ugh, *discussed. I hate it when I find my own typos.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You're the one who is ignorant. The above statement said pro-choice folks "clearly" aren't anti-life because of other beliefs.(1)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

So they shouldn't be called "Anti-Life". However, that same logic applies to Pro-Life people and other areas of government intervention.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

that is is a very small percentage of the population, leaving the rest of the country with very few actual choices. (4)

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

Actually, the opposite tends to occur. But it's not very obvious and it's understandable you might not understand how the world really works

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

I'll give you some time to look up what "impugn" means and also what the Glass-Steagall Act was. I'm sure you'll need it. (5)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

That was considered a huge conservative triumph, along with the elimination of social safety nets, except, of course, the ones that (3)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

how deregulation of the financial industry and the repeal of Glass-Steagall has benefited so many people in this country? (2)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

tend to benefit white conservatives, like farm subsidies and Medicare. (4)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

It really doesn't, but nice try, and nice attempt at impugning my intelligence simply because you disagree. Why don't you explain to me (1)

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

As a pro-choicer who would never get an abortion, I see where both sides are coming from. At the end of the day, nobody LIKES abortion.

13 years ago | Likes 1204 Dislikes 41

4/?) why we have freedom of speech in the first place. Not to be accommodating for those who stand opposite of us but to stand tall to

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 8

i do

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Except on that one South Park episode.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ive recently begun to identify myself as being exactly the same. I was raised Catholic which is all very "BURN THE PRO CHOICER" so it's hard

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

For me, it came down to deciding which life I valued more, the life of the mother or the life of the unformed child.>>

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

>>It's easy to love unseen cells. It's much harder, but much more necessary, to love the woman.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

This is the whole point. Keep abortion legal and obtainable and as absolutely rarely used as possible. Same with guns.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

that's the thing. pro choice isn't pro abortion, and pro life is actually only pro birth.

13 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

Seriously. My recreational abortion clinic didn't even get past the first trimester.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I always say being pro-choice is like being pro-chemotherapy. Just because it's needed doesn't mean I want anyone to have to go through it.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

THANK YOU.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/?) that they don't care how other people are but that is why our society as a whole is downgrading when it comes to things such as

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Except Cartman, he's addicted to abortions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvXshxAb1w

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

3/?) morality. I am not here for a yelling match on imgur, but i'm here because everyone should voice their opinions and concerns. that is

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Except politicians. Politicians like abortion quite a lot.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 24

What is that even supposed to mean?

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Abortion = votes. On both sides. It's an issue that gets people to polls.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

pro choice =/= pro abortion. I am personally pro-life but who am I to tell another woman what to do with her own body?

13 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

That's the thing - the terminology is often reserved for whether or not you want there to be laws against abortion or not.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Exactly, and as a Pro Choicer, I don't believe that it is something that should ever be taken lightly.

13 years ago | Likes 159 Dislikes 4

It kind of sounds better as "Pro Chooser".

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Honestly, I think what bothers me the most about abortions are people who take it so lightly. Like it's a get-out-of-jail-free card (1)

13 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 4

why..? not everyone reacts the same to things.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

That bothers me too, very much.

13 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 1

Who do you know that does this? I hear a lot about them, like welfare queens, but I've never actually met one who didn't give a shit.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

rather than a well thought out decision with all of the consequences and benefits taken into account.

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

they insult the seriousness of abortion by saying people just want it as an alternative for condoms, and that's what disgust me the most

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

they obviously need to have a class (or lesson) on abortion in every school right around sex ed.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Yes but this doesn't happen often at all. It's the same way everyone thinks only lazy people are on welfare.

13 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Thank you for saying this. I'm on assistance because I developed a physiological disability, not because I enjoy being broke all the time.

13 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

<3

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm not sure of my stance, but I know that it's a very grim and tough decision to make.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

THANK YOU. I'm pro-choice, I WOULD have one if I were pregnant (I don't need or want kids) but it would NOT be a choice I'd want to make.1/2

13 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 7

Why not get your tubes tied or something like that? Figured it saves you a horrible decision if you don't want kids anyway.

13 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

I'm 25, and unmarried. There's no doctor that will do it here.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

a lot of times they won't do it unless you've already had kids.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Many, many doctors will refuse to do that for a woman under a certain age. Especially if she has no kids.

13 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Gotcha, wasn't aware of that.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

sorry, i see that two people have already answered your question. my bad! :)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Gotcha no problem! And I'm sorry if it came off as kinda brash, was just curious about it.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

curiosity is wonderful! asking questions is great! ask MORE questions, that's the only way anyone will get anywhere. worry not, friend :)

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Probably because AFAIK, tubal ligation is fairly major surgery. Plus doctors sometimes get shirty about it if you haven't had kids yet.

13 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

Ahah, yeah. I haven't "fulfilled my duty to god" yet was one excuse.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

...That a doctor would use that as an excuse makes me so angry that I could shit a live pitbull made of burning fury.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ah gotcha, don't know much about those procedures.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

they can do it while they're finishing a c-section, or as its own surgery - definitely major either way

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't like abortion. I love it. I hate babies, to be honest.

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Is it bad that I can't make up my mind for which side I stand on?

13 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

No - I took a Contemporary Moral Issues class in college that helped me to think about and solidify my beliefs, and see the other side.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Before that, I had a pretty narrow viewpoint of issues like death penalty, abortion, euthanasia and torture.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

No. It took me a long time and a personal experience to come to my standpoint.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

As long as you aren't trying to legislate my body, I'm cool if you don't have an opinion, or if your opinion is contrary to mine.

13 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

good thing the government hasn't legislated my body with conscription laws.. oh wait.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

Better than just going along with what other people are saying, in my opinion

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

And yet so many people also have a problem with birth control, which has the potential to completely end the problem!

13 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 3

Absolutely... when pro-lifers refuse to educate and only teach abstinence, it makes the abortion problem worse, not better.

13 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 2

The lifers care more about the appearance of godliness than the do about actually reducing suffering.

13 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

They've never known the life of an unwanted child. Those of us who have would never, ever, ever, ever force a child on someone.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

They dont get that part. It will either be aborted or abandoned

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Or worse. Kept, and punished with the knowledge of what a terrible burden they are, and how much their mother regrets their existence.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

True in most cases, however I personally got pregnant using two types of birth control. Super egg & spam. If you do it, it's always possible

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

And that's fine. It's your life, your body, and your business entirely.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I have no problem with birth control, I would just rather it not be paid for by the government.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 10

Oh, don't give me that shit. Who do you think needs it the most? Poor people. Stop being an idiot.

13 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 4

They can't stop being idiots. It's .. genetic, or hereditary. Something. They can't stop.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Starting off with insults, nice work. Birth control isn't that expensive, if you want it, pay for it yourself.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

As a female college student, even just my insurance copays were quite expensive! $30 bucks a month :P

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Birth control could actually be very expensive. Source: 23yo female with 23yo female friends all buying birth control until recently.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

If a woman is lucky, she can get generic pills, but it still requires a doctor visit. Other forms can be quite expensive.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Why? If some (younger, I guess) people will opt out because of the cost... Why not make sure it's free? It will also save the country (1/2)

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

money in the long run with fewer teen pregnencies/parents. (2/2)

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Because I personally don't think it is the government's responsibility to provide it. It isn't necessary by any means, it's not health care.

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

Oh... Well I guess that's a culture gap right there. I'm from Denmark and health care is very much the government's responsibility here. :)

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Oh, wait... I think I read it wrong. How is trying to prevent STDs spreading and teen pregnancies not health care?

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Birth control is used for reasons other than contraception all the time. Polycystic ovaries, for one. So.. that's just not true, I'm sorry.

13 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

THIS. IS. THE. MOST.PERFECT.EXPLANATION.EVER! Thank you!

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Even if you were raped?

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

I believe that ultimately good things can result from evil acts. Good people can be born from rapes. I wouldn't choose to abort.

13 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 6

I upvoted you. I can see exactly where you're coming from. Some of us believe that everyone is born for a reason.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Which... I get downvoted for? For enacting my right to choose NOT to abort?

13 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 3

Some people here will down vote anyone if it opposes their irrational thoughts.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

No, because of my own deeply-rooted personal beliefs about personhood. But I wouldn't expect others to act in a way that reflects MY beliefs

13 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

I'm sure if it really happened, you might change your mind. You are just so strongly opinionated that you can't comprehend what it's like.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 11

Or they might not change their mind. Some people do see it as a life they are ending, rape or not.

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

thats sort of how i feel about it. there is a good reason why i say i wouldnt get an abortion, its something that wouldnt change no (1)

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

True, but doesn't everyone come up with scenarios that they prepare for, mentally, even if they have no concept for what it might be like?

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Yep, then it happens and things change. You can never be certain how you will react, you can only have a plan. I no,y say this because

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

3/? she was. I don't blame her, having a kid that looks like the man who raped you, and always be reminded of that horrible day...

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

2/? i have a friend who was raped, and impregnated. She choose to get an abortion even though I heard her many times say how against it

13 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Please don't say never. I mean that not in a spooky foreshadow way, but it undermines that impossible decision some people have to make

13 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 5

I'm not saying it's the right choice. I'm saying it's MY choice. Pro-choice = my choice in the end, not anyone else's.

13 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

1/?) and the reason nobody likes it is because, we all have a conscience because deep down we know it's wrong. everyone here can pretend

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

You're not doing anyone a favor by including everyone in your statement. You can state what you believe, but don't speak for everyone.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

i don't like abortion, i LOVE abortion (joking)

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

abort em all I always say, 1 week, 2 week, 12 week, 20 years w/e

13 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

+1 for 20 years. 15-20 years is a prime age for abortion imo

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a super open-minded pro-lifer... Cool way to put it. Hugs to everyone.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Except for Planned Parenthood, which loves to make money off the slaughter of babies.

13 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 26

Oh get off your horse.

13 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

i hate planned parenthood...

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

dafuq

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

And no one I know who HAS had an abortion has done so happily. It's not an easy choice, nor one that anyone wants to make, or is glad about.

13 years ago | Likes 117 Dislikes 7

5/?) what we believe. and at the end of the day abortion is wrong. the fetus is a life worth protecting

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 8

Some people believe that, for a while, it's just a clump of cells. To force a woman to keep those cells based on your beliefs is also wrong.

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

2/3) begins at the embryo, Darwin was an atheist, religion isn't the decider between whats right and wrong. all religion was created by man

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 6

4/4 i promise) abortion is immoral. unfortunately we as a world have been veering away from the truth because we would rather accept a lie

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 6

3/3) which would make each and every religion have it's flaws. you have to see beyond the mistakes to obtain the truth. which this case,

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 6

1/2) cells that contain life, human life. not like an egg or a sperm but another growing being inside a woman. charles darwin says that life

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

v

6 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

fetus penis

13 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 31

even mure so when you consider hez actually enjoying it

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Well, I applaud your lack of tact in a post full of serious people. It's going better for you than I'd have guessed. +1

13 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 1

Careful, he doesn't look 18.

13 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Still too old

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

..weeks ?

13 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Can't unsee, thanks!

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a pro peniser I support your views.

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All foetuses have that nub (genital tuber), it will become either a penis or a clitoris and labia around weeks 16-20.

13 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

fetus deletus

13 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm just me, I don't like to join groups. BUT if you want someone to keep a child then please 1/2

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

be sure to sign up for babysitting duty at the very least. Otherwise, that song is not about you. 2/2

13 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0