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#stranger_things #smoking #netflix
Jul 15, 2019 11:51 AM
PiffTheMagicDildo
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#stranger_things #smoking #netflix
tee2theT
Gremlynn4023
I don't know that any amount of broom handle sodomy in TV will normalize the behaviour though.
rd77Runner
What do we expect? some good parenting? That would be too troublesome. Better just blame the media...
Venfolnir
fantasticlight
Spicy emo ignoring context in his examples.
Theertzuinianer
Smoking is waaay more emulatable tho. I crave a smoke every time I see one on screen in the mouth of a character I like.
MercEasy
Oh fuck off OP your mother only loves you out of pity and you're a disappointment to your father. Keep your social justice bs to yourself
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Because violence doesn't make people want to do violence but products being used makes people want to use the product. Fuck off with your1/2
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
false equivalency bullshit 2/2
JHRD1880
How many fucking retards will keep posting this while leaving out the part that they will keep it in when it fits the setting?
CyborgScribe
They also leave out how in the last two years Netflix massively increased how much smoking they were showing for undisclosed reasons
CyborgScribe
By two to ten times over. I would link an article but finally this is my fourth repost about this shit and I'm tired
Youhavinagiraffe
... it's almost like an incidental detail is less of an issue to change.
LetumComplexo
Oh my god how many times do I have to say that Netflix specifically said they’d cut down on smoking when “not necessary to plot or setting.”
LetumComplexo
Which is diplomatic for “it’s set in the 80’s. Deal with it. You’ll all forget by the time season 4 comes out anyways.”
LetumComplexo
Which is my way of diplomatically saying if you’re going to jack your outrage boner at least do it over something real.
CyborgScribe
They HAVE really been showing a ton of smoking. Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt being the big example since for reasons they didnt disclose they
CyborgScribe
...suddenly went from less than ten to about 300 depictions of smoking per season. Which looks like what companies used to do when being...
CyborgScribe
...payed to product place by tobacco companies. It was part of why the watchdog group went after them.
Maelstromboli
Broom handle sodomy isn’t a public health epidemic whereas research links smoking in entertainment to smoking in real life.
Maelstromboli
Do people really care if they see fewer cigarettes in the show? Is it gonna hurt your immersion? Human well being > slightly less authentic-
Maelstromboli
-viewing experience.
tyrunn
Again, this is an outright lie - the second part of the statement "except where historically accurate"
Treblaine
So an arbitrary creative limit on any works set in a non-historical setting.
landofbob
Didn't it say "except where historically accurate?"
shitheadtookmyname
To be fair if they stop smoking I won't even notice. I grew up in the 80s and of all my friends and family, only ONE person smoked.
NotAmused1001
I grew up in the 80's and it was the opposite. Only like three family members didn't smoke.
ratfaceddog
Nobody would have noticed if none of the characters were smokers, to start with.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
Okay I do get your concerns, but any smoking on TV effectively glamourises it and some people are just too fucking stupid to know better.
Snooj
Also, to be clear, watching murder and arson on TV does not make me want to murder people and burn down houses, especially since I don't 1-
Snooj
do that stuff on the regs. But smoking is a totally different story. People do actually smoke, and this enforces that behavior. I'm 2-
Snooj
not decided on the issue yet, just drawing a parallel. Plus my wife grew up in a house with two chain-smoking parents and she literally 3-
Snooj
can't watch shows with a lot of smoking because it makes her throat close up and is too distracting from the plot. 4-4
Orion371
Yeah, there also doing away with smoking in the new Gears of War game. You know the game with guns with chainsaw dismembering aliens while >
Orion371
hurling f - bombs.
MrWobblyHead
Netflix should tell the critics to fuck off. If they don't like to see smoking they shouldn't watch the show. It's a part of the time period
checkcheckheyhey1212
If there was no smoking, pretty sure there wouldn'tbe people calling for more smoking because it was the 80's.
usfanon
Who gives a shit? If you're really desperate you can find old men smoking on YouTube to jack off too.
AnnieBahde
This was posted yesterday. I did some research. The initiative is run by an anti-smoking public health organization so of course they are
LumpWithaLeafHat
This might be an unpopular opinion, but: I won't even notice if they smoke less on screen, and if it helps some kids not get hooked, cool.
ensensu
E-cigarettes are the newest lung pollution/ drug delivery device.
AnnieBahde
focused on smoking prevention. (also other groups got on Netflix for the suicide depiction). Their goal is to minimize depictions of smoking
Nineteenletterslong
But the more people that smoke, the more lung cancer, and more likely that people will invest in lung cancer research. So probably worth.
CadillacRick
Great point, and a serious +1 for citing sources. The internet needs more people like you!!
charlietrundlethegreat
Hey. No! We’re gonna be on our high horses behind keyboards and make comments and you depend on me so change it to what I like.
AnnieBahde
In media aimed at teens, citing research that shows a link between teens viewing smoking and starting to smoke. The surgeon general and CDC
thatlamer
I certainly tried smoking when I was a kid because I thought it looked cool. Thank god I'm a fucking pussy and hated the experience.
AnnieBahde
Both support their efforts as part of a wider campaign to curb tobacco use among youth. You can agree or disagree but it seems reasonable to
AnnieBahde
Me that an anti smoking group would pursue anti smoking initiatives as opposed to giving a fuck about broom handle sodomy.
aquestionfouru
This is not about what a group wanted. It’s about Netflix listening to them, it makes Netflix look silly.
CadillacRick
I would say they could probibally appease the anti smoking initiative folks by showing the characters smoking (hopper for example) dealing
AnnieBahde
Here’s where I found this info about the campaign: www.healthline.com/health-news/can-onscreen-smoking-influence-viewers-to-light-up-too
AnnieBahde
Here’s one of the studies they cite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC60983/#!po=15.4762
LoudBirb
Wow, and you even posted your sources. Bravo. I... hmm... I have to reconsider my original opinion on this. You make sense.
getadogupya
Except peer pressure has, historically, encouraged smoking. Suicide and anal rape, less so...
Flambango
I think peer pressure has historically been a catalyst for suicide. Plus I think the rates went up with 13 reasons why
thatlamer
Does bullying count as peer pressure? Plenty of kids have been bullied to suicide. Plenty of rapes have been committed by dudes egged on.
Predicto
There's actually a principle in psychology where things done by a cool heroic character are imitated and things done by a villain aren't
Predicto
It's ok if Red Skull smokes but you don't want Captain America to be chainsmoking (ps this isn't about censorship so don't bother with that)
Salman9797
I wish i could also smoke in my sleep.
battlepants
Isn't conventional smoking kinda dying out these days anyway?
zztophat1
As someone who has lost family to smoking; I think if it could be retroactively removed from history, it should be.
RenaissanceFaireMan
All the alcohol in shows?
ratfaceddog
What about it?
prodmerc
Look, you can get sick, get brain damage, lose your sight, lose muscle function, destroy your organs. But shit, it's acceptable lmao
KartFnocker
probably unpopular, but that's a terrible comparison. Nobody is going to watch whatever that broomhandle rape scene is and be motivated ///
KinkoTheGoblin
If they get more influenced by a fkn show than by everything telling then about the health problems, they have a bigger problem than smoking
AttorneyAtBirdLaw
(1) Teenage suicide rates did increase after the show, & (2) violence in general is more the issue, not the broomhandle raping specifically.
KartFnocker
to go out and start broomhandle raping. Smoking being depicted favorably absolutely can influence people, though.
KartFnocker
Now I don't agree with cutting it all out from period-set shows, but let's use decent arguments, no?
MasterKrieg
Yeah but this is a period piece. People smoked alot in that time period so the show reflects that
thatlamer
A period piece about a psychic teen teaming up to defeat monsters from another dimension. I think some liberties can be taken on the smoking
KartFnocker
right, I noted that and agree it shouldn't all be cut
CatsUpvoteTerror
So seeing smoking normalizes it but violence doesn't?
Treblaine
It's the thin end of the wedge "hey, if it works against smoking, we can stop violence by sanitising the media as well"
KartFnocker
In a vacuum maybe it could be the same, but there's WAY more personal/societal pressures preventing people from normalizing broomstick rape
Predicto
What heros do gets normalized. What villains do generally doesn't.
VodkaReindeer
Sure it does. But you can't have interesting entertainment without violence.
actuallyjustluke
Well they should have the choice tp do it to themselves, just like smoking. Neither can really be done in public anymore, so yeah.
DigiT00l
Like the suicide thing?
Treblaine
But Netflix didn't say they'd get rid of "favourable" depictions of smoking but ALL depictions, even if unfavourable.
ShaggySnatch7
Dont underestimate the power of stupid.
SijunTheMemeQueen
Its not like they depict smoking as a cure all: but even if they did, its your own responsibility to look after yourself
MrDeadsr
Until the see the price of a pack of smokes :D
iamthisguy247
I dunno, I had a friend who saw broom handle raping on a show and gave it a try. Now they are up to broom handle raping two packs a day.
Rayfire3535
You're funny.
Rayfire3535
You're funny.
Rayfire3535
You're funny.
Rayfire3535
You're funny.
3nd3rwiggin
If someone is influenced by what they see in one show, and not by all the other information about how bad said activity is for them well...
AllThingsHotRod
Teenagers aren't known for their particularly amazing critical reasoning skills when it comes to looking cool vs being safe
3nd3rwiggin
So Netflix (and other content providers) is responsible for raising the nations children?
AllThingsHotRod
If they're marketing to the nation's children(or young adults) then they should take that into account during production
IamNotAshamed
suicides rates did rise after 12 reasons why though.
DoeEyes23
Yes. Teens/kids are gonna respond to romanticized teen suicide more than they're gonna pick up smoking cigs cause grump dad Hopper does it.
AttorneyAtBirdLaw
Thank you. They totally glorified suicide in that show. I mean just look at all those people who missed that girl so much after she did it.
Badonkachonk
Hate that show with a passion, horrible message for both people considering suicide and people who have lost loved ones to it.
checkcheckheyhey1212
Economy, weather, time of year, holiday, news, lack of funding of help resources, maybe.
Melondwarf
It's almost as if the show is set in the 80s when smoking was waaaay more common
checkcheckheyhey1212
Guarantee if there wasn't smoking included in the story line from the beginning, no one would be calling for more smoking cuz it was the80s
alazyamerican
So was racism, sexism, and discrimination in general. Is it necessary to highlight all of that for historical accuracy?
SijunTheMemeQueen
Yes. History is still history even if it offends you now. Its ok to be upset with the way things were lmao. Dont need to sanitize it
lobosrul
Come on it was set in the mid 80s not the 50s. Also I think they did highlight sexism in the workplace.
wintermute93
Probably, yeah. Fictional characters in a historical setting should act the way people acted in that setting.
IStillLoveYouNintendo
Should we just not talk or teach about the holocaust too then? Just sweep it away as if it didn't exist?
harshmell0w
I guess they haven't seen Mad Men yet.
JHRD1880
Good thing they'll keep it in for shows where it suits then.
CadillacRick
Strange that they would try and inject an element of authenticity into a show to make the setting of the show more believable.
GreenFox
Yes. They have the right amount of smoking. That's why Stranger Things is so believable.
Melondwarf
But they featured movies that could easily have been part of a nostalgia day at the mall..surely that would be enough!
ArtieoftheAbyss
I was born in 1987 and even I smoked in the 80’s
remko
MrGambit
emailme
and cooler
benpoon
I DO NOT care that the smoking was in there, BUT I do not think I would have missed it if it weren't and I grew up then.
potshot
Sure, you wouldn't necessarily miss it, but it is a trope common in 80s settings so it does lend authenticity even if you don't notice it.
minotaur5150
I am only a couple episodes in and I didn't see it as over done - seemed like they were trying to be as authentic as possible.
Melondwarf
That's because it's not over done, Hopper is pretty much the only smoker, and it's part of his character.
minotaur5150
thank you! He is a nervous chain smoker and it speaks to his character. I quit smoking a couple years ago and it doesnt seem overdone to me
minotaur5150
and thats including the extra knowledge of not wanting to be tempted into smoking again.
ChrisDoesScience
I re-watched Kindergarten Cop the other day. The main antagonist smoking in a mall! And the garish colored outfits. So 80's man.
Adderkleet
Other Netflix shows (Kimmy Scmhitt) also have a lot of smoking.
Formlexx
In Peaky Blinders there never a scene where you can't see a cigarette.
Adderkleet
I'm pointing out that S.T. is the wrong one to mention. A lot of modern-setting shows on Netflix have a lot more smoking than Cable.
belovedlover
It's roasted.
Dendrofiili
It's just as common today. It's not advertised like it was before.
benpoon
No, it's not. Less people smoke today and there are less places to smoke. It's way less common.
Dendrofiili
Bars should still allow smoking tbh.. Smelling that mix of sweat, piss, booze and vomit. No thanks.
RockHoppingYowie
It's not nearly as common as it was in the 80's. Plenty of surveys and studies show that.
swatz
I hope these people don't watch Water World!
Youhavinagiraffe
Would it really affect your enjoyment of the show if characters smoked less? If it's an effective public health measure then why not?
SijunTheMemeQueen
Because personally im kind of sick and tired of everyone bending to some criticism. Nobody is going to start smoking because they >
SijunTheMemeQueen
saw people do it 30 years ago. But lets say they did, so what? Thats their own choice to make. Just take responsibility.
CaptainJesusAndTheGodBrigade
...when was someone sodomized by a broom?
Lemongello
Mindhunter maybe
attila3000
It happens every day, here in this country. In the criminal justice system, broomstick based offenses are considered especially heinous.
wehavebeer
Peppa pig
dizzyturtle
The Unauthorized Bash Brothers Experience.
Owkey
13 reasons why... It was scene that stays with you a while though, wish I hadnt have seen that particular scene
Stellarcycle
it's a scene that should have cut just short of the act. The lead up implied enough. Worse is that he's a teen. Why you show that???
Corrodias
That sounds like just unpleasantry that isn't the kind of thing I want to watch TV for.
OriginalGunter
The scene really hits you different
magnuPlanetLifter
I'm glad you asked. I was lost too but didn't wanna ask...
Gayforbae
I, for one fully support (consensual) broom sodomy. And billy club sodomy, and baseball bat sodomy.
TheDenogginator
Please explain your support of non-consensual billy club sodomy and non- consensual baseball bat sodomy?
Gayforbae
Consensual covers all of that. Thoughthere are a few people who deserve nonconsensual baseball bat sodomy...
TheDenogginator
Agreed!
BalphEubanksLeftNut
Username checks out.
Kolps
where do you stand (maybe sit) on the topic of penis sodomy? or is your fetish with phalic shaped wooden objects?
Gayforbae
Thats fine too.
billybobthorton1
only "fine"? why are you shaming penis based sodomy. racist.
NotAmused1001
Gurl, it's not good when a fart sounds like a gentle breeze.
Gayforbae
It snaps back just like a disrespected black woman.
billybobthorton1
something tells me this is getting removed..but it was fucking funny.