Lesser known historic bad-asses: Sherman

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Here he is at the end of the Civil War. A grizzled son of bitch, Crazy Billy Sherman sits for his portrait. He wears a black ribbon on his left arm, mourning the recently assassinated president he helped reelect. A president who was key in passing the 13th amendment (ending slavery for good in The United States) in his short second term. Sherman was considered crazy by many, a genius by some, and a blood thirsty demon by many southerners, Around this time he said of war... “Its glory is all moonshine. Even success, the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies... It is only those who have not heard a shot, nor heard the shrills and groans of the wounded and lacerated friend and foe that cry aloud for more blood and more vengeance, more desolation and so help me God as a man and soldier I will not strike a foe who stands unarmed and submissive before me but will say 'Go sin no more.' War is Hell”

Sherman was a career soldier that fought in the first Battle of Mannasses (Bull Run) in what was the old US army. The Union was defeated in it's first battle and the army retreated back across the Potomac. Here Sherman showed one of his best strengths, the ability to retreat. This doesn't sound too difficult but in pre-20th century asymmetrical warfare it was an art form. Retreating was important in keeping an army alive, but also dangerous in that an army could simply fall apart and disintegrate with desertions and collapse of morale.

'It was not however an easy job. To restore a sense of discipline, Sherman drilled his men hard. To stem desertion he held three musters a day to ascertain how many men, if any were missing. The men were not docile; so many wanted to leave camp that at one point Sherman unlimbered an artillery battery with a threat to blast some would-be deserters if they really tried to leave.'
-American General by General John S. Eisenhower

He gained the attention of top military commanders and at one point President Lincoln met him and his unit. Sherman was not one for parades and grandiose military gestures. From his own Memoirs he wrote about Lincoln's visit.

'I asked if he would like to speak to them, and he said he would like to. I asked him then to please discourage all cheering, noise, or any sort of confusion; that we had had enough of it before Bull Run to ruin any set of men, and that what we needed were cool, thoughtful hard fighting soldiers no more hurrahing...” Chapter 7 'Memoirs of General William T. Sherman.'

Sherman's Painting in Smithsonian Portrait Gallery, Washington DC

Sherman's no bull shit attitude impressed Lincoln enough to place him in charge of the Kentucky front. This ended up being a disaster for Sherman. Sherman suffered a mental breakdown. Until very recently mental illness has been a fairly taboo subject worldwide and though Sherman's breakdown is well documented by reporters of the time (Probably the reason he said, “If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.”) But it always seems like all the historical writers gloss over it. Usually there's a lot more excuses written about why he had the breakdown.

'Colonel Thomas M. Key spent Several days with Sherman and decided he was on the verge of nervous exhaustion... Sherman acted withdrawn and frustrated, and his wife and brother were unable to break into the shell of anxiety and depression he had constructed around himself.'

-Sherman: A soldiers passion for Order by John F. Marszalek PHD
He was relieved of command with wire service proclaiming GENERAL WILLIAM T. SHERMAN INSANE!

“...but his mental collapse and his recovery, unusually well documented present a riveting example of the understanding of depressive illness in the Victorian world, and the relationship of bipolar illness to creativity and inspired leadership during difficult times...
...she (his wife) began to nurse him back to health with a rest cure, the frequently effective 19th century therapy: favorite foods, books, especially Shakespeare, and calming him sufficiently so that he could sleep. The real cure, as in all bipolar illness, is nature: the average mood episode rarely lasts longer than six months before it goes into remission by itself.”
-Sherman's Demons (New York Times article) by Michael Fellman, professor of history at Simon Fraser University, Vancouver, Canada.

Personally this is my favorite part of Sherman's life. It shows how people can overcome adversity and rise up to do great things. History is difficult to teach and learn. Often we forget the humanity behind it, and it's easy to lose track of the real human beings behind the Great Men/ Women of history. Because of the press releases that so haunted him, we get a peak of real humanity in him.

Sherman was back and at the Battle of Shiloh regained his reputation. For anyone who doesn't know, a brief summery of the battle. The confederates launched a major attack that pushed the Union forces back to their Pittsburgh landing. There they rallied and repulsed the confederate forces then defeated them. Sherman's ability to maintain order in a retreat was demonstrated and he was a key figure turning a major Union Defeat into a Union victory.

Battle of Vicksburg

Over the next few years Sherman continued to rise through the ranks supporting Grant in major victories in Confederate territory. Tecumseh was a Native American name given to him by his father. When asked why he gave “a savage Indian,” name to his son he responded with, “Tecumseh was a great warrior.”

Democratic Election 1864

This is where the history making comes in, the big picture of history and where Sherman, who was a mental patient only a few years before leaves his mark. The election of 1864 was up in the air and going against Lincoln. George B. McClellan known by historians as Ratty McFuckface was running on a peace platform. McClellan had been in command of the Army of the Potomac and through ineptitude and pussy-footedness had helped prolong the conflict and now wanted to make peace with the South, and in the process recognize the Confederacy's right to exist. People in the Union were tired of a war that had been (and still is) the most costly in American history and had if anything become worse since Gettysburg. The North was winning, but it was a slow progress, and the siege of Petersberg had become a kind of mini sudo WW1 trench battle.

Cover for sheet music of the song, "Sherman's March to the Sea."

The last part of his civil war career is his march to the sea and his supposed inventing of modern “Total War.” The same strategy the US government would later implement against plains tribes {Not condoning that}. The best description I found of this was from historian Robert L. Connell's book Fierce Patriot: The Tangled Lives of William Tecumseh Sherman.

'Obviously Sherman had a great deal less available in terms of destructive capability, no bombers, no tanks. But he had something better; he had come to understand that defeat was ultimately a state of mind and he was in a position to utterly demoralize the Confederacy by making it look helpless...
'But not revealed would be the rape, mass murder, and population displacement that became so much a part of war in the twentieth century. These were his fellow citizens...
'What he had in mind was a super realistic horror show, one that didn't leave a dry eye in the house, scored and directed by Crazy Billy Sherman, the modern day Attila.'

Essentially Sherman fought the most humane total war in modern history. He broke the back of the south in his march and was forever demonized by the ancestors of those southerners.
'A T-shirt at the 96 Olympics featuring Sherman's image emblazoned on a peneumbra of flames along with the motto “Atlanta's Original Torchbearer.”

-Robert L. Connel PHD

House used by Confederate Sharpshooters.

Then in September before the election Sherman took Atlanta showing a victory to the public and even McClellan (Ratty McFuckface) flip-flopped and stated the war needed to end in Confederate defeat.

'The capture of Altanta was just the sort of tangible accomplishment the Northern public needed in order to grasp that the war was not, as the Democratic Party orators were telling them, a failure... victory was on its way...
'Licoln might perhaps have won reelection without Sherman's victory at Atlanta though Lincoln himself thought it unlikely...
'Throughout the campaign, Sherman had practiced maneuver warfare more skillfully and on a wider stage than any other Civil War general had done.'
Sherman by Steven E. Woodworth PHD.

Sheet music from the song, "Sherman's March to the Sea."

The last part of his civil war career is his march to the sea and his supposed inventing of modern “Total War.” The same strategy the US government would later implement against plains tribes {Not condoning that}. The best description I found of this was from historian Robert L. Connell's book Fierce Patriot: The Tangled Lives of William Tecumseh Sherman.

'Obviously Sherman had a great deal less available in terms of destructive capability, no bombers, no tanks. But he had something better; he had come to understand that defeat was ultimately a state of mind and he was in a position to utterly demoralize the Confederacy by making it look helpless...
'But not revealed would be the rape, mass murder, and population displacement that became so much a part of war in the twentieth century. These were his fellow citizens...
'What he had in mind was a super realistic horror show, one that didn't leave a dry eye in the house, scored and directed by Crazy Billy Sherman, the modern day Attila.'

Essentially Sherman fought the most humane total war in modern history. He broke the back of the south in his march and was forever demonized by the ancestors of those southerners.
'A T-shirt at the 96 Olympics featuring Sherman's image emblazoned on a peneumbra of flames along with the motto “Atlanta's Original Torchbearer.”

-Robert L. Connel PHD

+1 for renaming McClellan. Also, I like Sherman. Good post OP!

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Fun fact: Sherman is my 6x Great Uncle.

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The cartoon Histeria! has a Pee-Wee Herman's Playhouse parody episode on Sherman where the word of the day is TOTAL WAR!!!

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How can you possibly say lesser known, the guy has a freaking tank named after him.

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During World War II, a southern US force arrived in Great Britain they were greeted with Marching Through Georgia not the best song to play.

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General Sherman is one of the greatest known generals of all time. How is he lesser known?

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Sherman knew if he let the slavers sit back on their plantations drinking mint juleps, the war would never end. He did what was necessary.

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As a vet, anytime a general has a moniker like "Mad Max" or "Crazy Bill" you need to pay attention to them.

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/a/IwqHV For some reason it kept cutting off my ending and my begining I talk about the way he is known in the first image

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No mention of Sherman Neck Ties?

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Always thought Sherman's finest attribute was his unstinting support of his senior officer. I doubt there has ever been a better subordinate

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Ever since I did a report on his life for school I've found him fascinating. Great post!

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Lesser known? Dude had a tank named after him and has been parodied in a ton of pop culture

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If General Sherman is 'Lesser Known' to you, your high school diploma is hereby rescinded, and your education in general is questionable.

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Please surrender it post haste, or we'll bring him back and send him after you.

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"Ratty McFuckface"

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It's a bit hyperbolic and simplistic to McClellan, but he was just wee bit of cunt during that time period.

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Its his new name forevermore.

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Also bad-ass is that after the war he retired. Grant wanted to stay a big shot so he entered politics and business and got trashed in both.

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It may not have gone particularly well but becoming President of the United States isn't really "trashed."

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Getting elected was easy given his post-war popularity. (Sherman could have too.) But it wasn't a good term and ruined his legacy.

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I think you completey miss Grant's dedication to Reconstruction and Negro rights after the war ended.

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He did not retire. He became Commanding General of the US Army during the suppression of Indians in the Western Plains.

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Correct, my biggest issue with him

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He was just one in a long list of "Indian fighters" (several of whom became President) I don't think it reflects personally on him.

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This guy was brutal. The south hates him for a reason. That said, I think he did what had to be done... for the most part...

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fucker burned down my wife's family's farm (they didn't fight in war, didn't have slaves) then burnt the court house down destroying

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

all the records so can't trace her family back past the civil war., i forgot to add with some of the family in the farm at the time.

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Hence him being brutal.

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If you want to look up someone who was essentially Sherman on steroids and with zero moral compass, look up Alexei Yermolov.

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Proud southern great, great, great-grandson of a Confederate Veteran here: Sherman was a badass dude and an American hero.

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Sherman owns the term "And stay down"

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As a southerner, we know about W.T. Sherman.

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Every time when my high school history teacher saw McClellan's face in a video, he'd scream. That man had a set of lungs & HATED McClellan.

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I try not to judge historical figures but McClellan is just a big dumb.

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I've always wanted to get a bumper sticker that says "God Bless General Sherman" and drive around Georgia with it.

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I see you like to live dangerously.

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I'm figuring it would go about as well as top gears drive through Alabama.

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Wasn't that with the rainbow bumperstickers and such?

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Yes.

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Driving south from NJ, get pulled over speeding. Cop: "Nobody goes 80 miles per hour in Georgia." "General Sherman did." (Old joke.)

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We drive at least 85

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Well that's just dumb.

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We would hate you. Do it.

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I approve this message

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Very much a hero for the North during the Civil War, but his perpetuation of atrocities during the Indian wars should also not be forgotten.

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You're my favorite person on here for finding the same issue I have with him.

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Every time people talk about how 'how evil' he was against the south my brain jumps to the plains tribes who I really feel bad about.

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One point*

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I understand that, but again a product of his time. I understand it and don't agree with it.

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But for his part he still tried to find the least violent solution. You will the world imaginary award for best comment.

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He also defended rights of if natives on reservations.

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Award not world*

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Win not will*

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Im a bit tipsy

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How is Sherman lesser known? Obviously not from the South

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This

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The same way any popular movie makes it into an Imgur list of unpopular/obscure movies you never heard of.

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Be less America centric. I doubt if I lived across the pond I'd know about some random American Civil War general.

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I've never heard of him

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seriously

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He was a war criminal.

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Burning the homes and destroying livelihoods of a group of people fighting for the right to commit atrocities against a group of people.

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He committed atrocities to save lives. By showing the South that they were dominated he demoralized them to a faster victory. (1/2)

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This set the stage for modern war. If you break your opponents will to fight the war will end swiftly sending lives. "Shock and Awe" 2/3)

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This very tactic was used to end the War in the pacific during WWII. We dropped both atomic bombs to break japans moral. Had we (3/?)

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gone with the original plan of invading Japans shores they would have fought us tooth and nail to the end. This saved millions.

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I was about to say, lesser known my ass, most of Georgia still curses his name.

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Or the North. Who the hell doesn't know Sherman?

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I'm from Missouri, never even heard of him until today.

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Nearly everyone outside the US?

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Well, our friends on here from outside the States may never have heard of him.

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Must be from some country that's not North American or French.

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I was trying to give more in depth. I consider Napoleon a lesser known figure just because what people 'know' is either wrong or very basic.

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Then write "Lesser-known facts about Really Famous Person". What you've written means you're saying the person himself is lesser-known.

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No need to justify yourself. I'm a visit fan from the UK and he's very much "lesser known" here!

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PS Napoleon was a cunt

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Fair enough. Continue the good work @OP!

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That's because most people don't like history.

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Lesser known?

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I grew up on a Sherman St. My "porn name" is Buck Sherman, my best friend is "Kitty Lafayette," I owe this man a lot more than the union.

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So how quickly would I get my ass kicked if I wore this shirt around Georgia?

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Judging by the comments I'm going to stick to lesser known.

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Do that 'damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead' guy.

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Will you be posting more content like this OP?

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Southern schools spend a lot of time talking about the CW. In fact, US history in college focuses on the CW longer than they do on the WW's

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I'm a Texan and we didn't really spend much time on CW, but I'm my college American history class we did but mostly on the politics.

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That's I. The south. Remember that most of earth doesn't work the same. Again there's a lot that's glossed over I schools.

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I'm not an idiot. I was explaining why so many people might already be very familiar with Sherman. Take your condescension elsewhere wiseass

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Do Andrew Jackson. There's another genuine s.o.b.

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I'm doing a really cool polish guy next. I'm already working on it.

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In fact its really just going to be about the poles in general because they have a special place in my heart.

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He could have... ya know, not burned down half of the state I live in. Still a little salty about it

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I'm sure the slaves are not salty about it at all

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How are you salty over something that happened over 140 years ago?

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How about we invade Ohio and burn down half of that state. Its time we got whats ours

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There are more astronauts from Ohio than from anywhere else because space is the furthest away one can get from Ohio. Sorry just joking.

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Could burn Ohio and let the sea take Florida... We would be better off....

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But where would you Yankees go to when it gets cold? Seems like y'all are grateful come Christmas time

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With the way global warming is going, give it a hundred years and there won't be much of Florida left above sea level.

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Your state could of... ya know, not illegally split from the Union.

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Since you phrased it that way ... how does a state *legally* split from the Union?

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They don't.

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Did I say that I wish the south would have won or that I'm glad the war happened. No I'm sad that the it was burned to the ground at the end

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You need to actually read researched books about the subject, his March was far less brutal than keeping the war going and he knew it.

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I do not claim to be an expert but many Piedmont towns were destroyed. That is all I meant. You saying "you shouldn't have left"doesn't help

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