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Mar 14, 2025 1:32 AM
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forelle
You have had an education peoblem for decades. As an European when I first heard stories as a teenager of how dumb people in the US can be I thought these were made up, because nobody could be *that* dumb. Well ot turns out.. Your problem is that many dumb and mean people will outvote the good spirited intelligent ones.
KatInTheCorner
I've noticed that the Trump voters who are obsessed with him make up a very vocal portion.
But, terrifyingly, there is quite a large contingent that doesn't pay attention to anything political. They don't watch the news, they don't read the newspaper, they don't have anything political on their social media.
They voted for Trump because he had an R next to his name and they vote R every time because everyone around them does too. A lot of women who just vote with their husband.
Idiots...
zanaria
Most of the people who voted democrat knew... Most of the people outside the US knew...
karlfrack
Not even a little bit surprising.
Pokegeologist
One of the "more powerful" attack ads late in the campaign was "She is for they/them, Trump is for us" pushing she was betraying all of America in the name of special interest minorities.
SnowpersonHitInTheFaceWithALackOfCreativity
That's exactly right. What more can you say? If you want to win elections start talking about some other shit
GenXHippie
You can’t live here without realizing how fucking stupid most of this country actually is.
JackSmiles2
it's because the real message is "you can be disgusting pieces of shit and we will validate you for it".
AllAnusMorissette
landisfloatingrock
Any educated individual.
howieCosmosJumper
This is what people wanted
tenkindsofawesome
jaxomdad
*raises hand* I have known this since I was a teenager watching my social studies teacher straight tell us we should only vote republican because the other parties will "ruin everything" and the principal saw nothing wrong when we complained as a class. It has been 30 years since then and it has only gotten worse.
LumpPump
how it was when i had a mock election at school, was only 2nd grade so didnt have enough brains to think about it, but was basically told "our state mostly votes red" and felt like we were being taught thats just how we are supposed to do it. i dont recall a damn thing about doing our own research but tbf that was long ago and buried with a lot of repressed memories
xypotion
How awful.
YeOlRazzleDazzle
It's remarkable how hard some Americans just learned how unfathomably stupid and evil half their country is. -- While the majority of the world knew it for decades.
Nim449
it was pretty damned hard. yes.
ButtersTheCat
I've been trying to warn people for years. Like screaming into the void.
AngryBisexualWithAKeyboard
That's because you've been screaming into the abyss. Classic blunder right up there with starting a land war in Asia, or going up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
lightfoot2
We knew.
dirtyFrenchman
OperatorWay
an0therthr0waway
see also: "I love the poorly educated"
seehemewe
1st off, Trump is horrible for America & destroying our country.
That being said, the $25k for 1st time home buyers was the wrong move & I'd predict would've just raised prices and benefited older home owners who now had more buyers bidding against each other raising prices
What would've been better was a plan to massively increase housing stock ASAP. Pressure cities to change building codes. Push to allow tiny houses, so people can start small and go from renting to owning.
AngryBisexualWithAKeyboard
Ban corporations from purchasing single family homes. Build actually affordable affordable housing. Tax the shit out of 3rd+ houses. (And if anyone thinks that's not fair, you tell me: who needs not just one, not even two, but 3 or more houses? I'll wait.)
seehemewe
This is so much better than $25k for new buyers
I feel like it might be a game of whack a mole as those corporations will keep trying to find loop holes, but then keep whacking them and maybe make penalties if / when investors try to dodge regulations
afgncap
Wanted to say just that as this happened and still happens in my country. As long as houses are treated as an investment for flippers and landlords, giving people money just leads to increased prices.
Some sort of tax for homeowners who just buy more houses and keep them empty might be a good move if done correctly.
seehemewe
+1 to this, and I’m a home owner
Yes, I can benefit personally if my house keeps increasing in value, but also, I think it would be better for our society and nation if housing got cheaper even if that comes at my personal expense
Honestly, it would probably make it easier for me to move in a couple decades when kids are grown, and I think people free to move is better for the market than people feeling “stuck” in their “investment”
cubistpterodactyl
I did
varonicaED
There are people who say Australia isn't racist, a lot of us know that's a lie, there are racists everywhere and given the opportunity they would behave the same way here, it's up to us, the ones who aren't racist, or at least try our very best to not be racist, to control the direction of society. But it's inevitable that if you get to many racists in a small area they will empower each other, got to keep up the fight! That's the problem in the US South, they teach racism and pass it on.
SerialChickenLover
Yeah, well, she laughed weird
ShimmerinStrider
Lot of racists, lot of people that hate women in this country.
GTimgur
A copout. Of all the flyers and ads I saw from Dems, none of them mentioned these issues, although I know they're more likely to support them. Their campaign was hilariously out of touch and utterly failed to make their case. They are weak and divided and over-focused on hairbrained issues and identity politics instead of the working class.
SarcasticComment
with toxic might makes right views of Christianity
Raileks
lots of racist women who thought DEI only meant black.
SalmonTheWise
Lots of vets who thought DEI only meant women (and/or black)
JestersWing
I think it was decades of teaching that (R) beside a name meant more than anything. Then, The (R) wasn't enough, and needed to be MAGA for a few years. Now, MAGA is the only thing that they CAN/ WILL vote for, regardless of how much it directly hurts them.
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
Definitely propaganda. Economy was not bad. Highest standard of living except for corp greed. That caused housing to be too high. That’s a big problem. And wages. But that’s either by design to bring this chaos or just greed. Maybe both.
TheRealArclight
eromitlab
Don't discount that millions of people have been exposed to extremist right-wing propaganda on all media fronts for two generations that have turned their brains to mush when it comes to politics.
SmellingMistake
We were all exposed to that propaganda. The people who fell for it did so because that was what they wanted to be true.
The701
I think there's varying levels. I'm sure there were plenty of kids who grew up with Fox News, or similar, constantly on a TV in nearly every household they'd live in or visit. And there were plenty of kids who didn't grow up with that sort of thing.
Merdock
Carlin knew
CaptSchmidtGaming
They are not dumb. They are hateful. The sooner you accept this the sooner we are gonna move forward.
TI99Kitty
Or maybe dumb AND hateful.
RadasNoir
Both can be true. Their blind hatred also makes them dumb. Even the ones on top will forfeit long term profit if it means the ones beneath them will suffer more. It's ridiculously irrational.
Nim449
They are so very dumb. And yes they are also hateful. The hate comes from the dumb.
CaptSchmidtGaming
well... yes... that is actually it. But I mean. They aren't full blown retarded because they are so hateful.
Shoutrr
they hate what they don't know, and oh boy, do they work really really hard to avoid knowing things. They are malevolently stupid.
Corvidqueen
I have a hard time with it because it's people I love and thought I knew. But I'm getting closer to acceptance. I've definitely given up trying to change their minds.
CaptSchmidtGaming
It is hard. Because they don't hate you. they never directed their hate at you. And they didn't make loving them contingent on joining them in the hate movement.
They them selves are a bit unaware of their emotional domain or how much influence they have over it. truly sad.
CaptSchmidtGaming
as all things in life. there is a "trans"ient scope to these things. some are more forgone then others. some have merits to back their now folly cognative dissonance. nuance is always key. nuance is the spice they them selves are lacking.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They failed this test before. This was the second time. No one was surprised. Just disappointed.
Catterverse
If you want true democracy, you need to start with a properly educated population. Which we all know US has been dropping the ball on HARD. So why are people so surprised? Keep them dumb and give them silly TV shows. Easy to control and "lead"
zeusdemigod131
A lot of them care more about ensuring people they don't like either A.) don't get anything or B.) get hurt than they do the well being of themselves or even people they consider their 'in group'. Like some of the people who got fired from National Parks jobs, ones for whom it was their dream job, are finding their FAMILIES are basically like... not even 'well I'm sorry that happened but..' not sometimes their parents are outright saying 'good'.
Thoth43
Voters these days like sound bites and the Dems suck at making them. They should have been saying over and over again that Trump is a pedo and a draft dodger, say shit like Republicans want to check your kids genitals. Hammer it over and over again just like Trump does. Voters eyes glaze over when you discuss actual policies. This ain't the Obama years. Nobody wants hope and niceties it seems.
thanatos777
Harris' website literally didn't have policies on it, just fundraising links. Where was the Democratic Project 2025? Where were all of their great plans? She was too busy palling around with the Cheneys--who literally nobody likes--and listening to Mark Cuban about not criticizing corporations to make any policy proposals of significance. At no point did she bother to try to appeal to Democratic voters, just spent the whole campaign trying to appeal to Republicans, and shock of shocks, 1/2
thanatos777
90% of Republicans voted for Trump and 90% of Democrats voted for Harris, it's just that Joe Biden got 81 million votes in 2020, and Kamala Harris got 75 million votes in 2024. The Democrats really need to be asking themselves where those 6 million voters went, but they're not at all fucking interested, because by the measure of the lanyards running the party, the election was a massive success; more money raised than any campaign in history, and their biggest fundraiser is back in office. 2/2
1stDrunkJoe
GOPedos have Fox, OAN, and countless radio pundents. Dems have CNN and NPR Without critical thinking feelings trump facts.
pandemicpolemic
It’s time we face the dark truth that many Republican voters *like* the idea of authoritarianism. It’s not that you’re wrong (I’m here for the Dem criticism all day long), it’s that many voted for Trump precisely because the idea of choosing fascism over democracy, and especially Trump’s brand of it, was deliberate. It’s not “they were so dumb!” or “how could they be fooled?”, no, they wanted it this way. They like it. Democracy dies slowly and then all at once.
SprinklesMckitten
Bruh, dude and musky fail at the basic perfomative masculinity Obama, W Bush, Clinton, and H Bush did in their terms
can you picture either of these lords riding a bike or showing up with a split lip from basketball?
MelfsAcidArrow
I would personally love to see either of them ride a bicycle or play a sport more than golf
MissSiesta
Hate, outrage and lies is easier to sell. On social media anyhow.
Banzai51
"You lefties elected a BLACK man that fixed Bush's fuckups. And we're never going to forgive you for that."
CornwindEvil
"You lefties elected a N-WORD." Fixed that for you.
NibblonianNibbler
The only one who has the best sound bites is Bernie
StarSumiaki
Tim Walz had some good ones too. They need to let him cook.
Comet260
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/12/politics/tim-walz-national-tour-town-halls/index.html 😁🇺🇸
Thoth43
He did do well with calling MAGA weird. What did Bernie say though?
abraxasfury
Absolutely everyone outside of the US
WrongUn
It's true, we did
billstranger
As a Canadian, I've known this for a decade.
SeaJaySail
Correct.
kleinkaasje
Not everyone, unfortunately. Idiots are everywhere.
Dogstar23
Yep, been that way for a long time.
chiefrunswithscissors
Not true. Most people in my industry in Australia would support Trump if given the opportunity. It's gotten to the point where I'm exhausted from correcting all their bullshit propaganda
feetonthegroundheadinspace
What industry are you in, if it’s ok to ask? Clive Palmer is appealing to those very people… your statement is terrifying in its implication.
chiefrunswithscissors
Mining. So like half the country. To be fair a lot of them are coming around with the current situation
feetonthegroundheadinspace
Thanks for your reply :) Hopefully the ‘Trumpet Of Patriots’ is as successful as his last attempts at political office.
FrancsTireur
I had hope, but I also had a massive knot in my stomach telling me I was wrong.
It felt like being on the corner of Franz Joseph street in Sarajevo one afternoon in July 1914 watching a scrawny delusional kid pull out a pistol.
The world was never going to be the same and all we could do was watch.
lightfoot2
And most people in the US.
SergeyPrkl
False. If most knew, this wouldn't be the result. Most are okay with this. Don't fool your self.
Marsupialmessiah
Most? How come these idiots won? A lot of them sat the election out, which is worse
secretdpp
The electoral college is what matters for the big one
Uptoo11ven
He lost the popular vote again. Our votes don't matter.
Marsupialmessiah
They do, we just have to show up and vote, but a good 50% of elegible population didnt care enough about their fucking country and their place in the world to do their civic duty. Fuck em too
Uptoo11ven
Even with many people not voting or votes not counted, he still lost the popular vote. Yet the convicted criminal and sex offender still became president. You still think our votes matter? What, did he need to lose by a bigger margin? It's time we do more than cast a vote.
LitheXD
Yup! 2/3rds of Americans are idiots. Sounds about right!
LitheXD
Source: Am American and work in retail. The amount of stupid I see because people can't read coupons is concerningly high.
LiarLiarPantsUntier
I work retail, but am not American; I have never ever had a customer who couldn’t read and didn’t understand basic human interaction.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Nah, there's a goodly sized chuck if them living in Australia
...mainly Queensland
RayneOfSalt
Yeah, because the southern states keep sending their cookers, crackheads, cranks and conservative creeps up our way. If you'd keep your trash to yourselves, my state would be in a much better place.
NothingPrince
they did vote in Pauline Hanson.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Yah....I was thinking along the lines of deadeye...but they definitely breed them differently up there
RayneOfSalt
Victoria voted in Ralph Babet, Bridget Mackenzie, Michael Sukkar, Dan Tehan and Lidia Thorpe; NSW voted in Gladys the Koala Killer and Bruz "Pork" Barrilaro as well as Susssssssan Ley & Angus Taylor and gave us Mark Latham; SA voted in fascist Gerrard Rennick, Alex Antic, Anne Ruston as well as being the birthplace of the neonazi gang the ADL and white supremacist political party Australia First.
RayneOfSalt
That's ignoring all the neonazi gangs that Victoria and NSW have produced, like the one that regularly marches around various parts of Vic that the cops won't arrest because their leader is the son of a high ranked cop. Sort your own states out before tossing shit at mine.
NothingPrince
Thank God I'm in WA less Covid less racist.
RayneOfSalt
Southerners getting mad and downvoting me because they're being called out for their own voting records, I see. Can't blame Qld for any of them, or your neonazi problems.
NothingPrince
But QLD stated it. Touchy much.
acetothermus
And at least half of the people in the US.
HUGHgReaction
Meh, a third at the most
FragileDonkey
⅓ voted Harris. ⅓ Trump. HEAVY ⅓ didn't vote. Trump won by only 2.2 million votes. This country may be ignorant, but Trump definitely doesn't represent half or anywhere near that. It's a fucked up situation and I hate it.
NOINITIATIVE
remember, Hitler won by a plurality too.
nation543
⅓ = 33.33%. Two of those = 66.66%. If one half of the ⅓ that did not vote still supported Trump, that means that 16.5% to 17% did not.
If ⅓ = 33.33% and one half of that supported Harris, that means that 33% + 17% = 50%.
Therefore, @acetothermus was correct, or at least accurate, in saying "And at least half of the people in the US."
acetothermus
Thank you for doing the math. I was being general on purpose because Im sure the numbers are plus or minus depending on a lot of variables.
SergeyPrkl
Except in reality 100% of the nonvoters supports the winner. This is why they are the worst voters. Because it doesn't matter what their actual opinion is. They didn't vote.
Itslukus
In my opinion, this is the most accurate take on non-voters.