I like the bare stage, and it seems each seat has a great vantage point. But give me a small, sweaty 1,000 standing-only venue over this any day of the week.
Now...MSG also makes me think about monosodium glutamate. The EU additive code for this substance is e621. So I am now picturing being ensorcelled and enveloped by a giant, spherical blanket of wondrous furry smut.
There is definitely something to be said for $50 dollar lawn tickets, but these are actually not *that* expensive. It's casinos, so they kind of subsidize shows and hope you blow money gambling. Estimated to be like 100-200 a ticket once the hype wears off, they're like 350ish now.
I admit this is a very cool thing and achievement. At the same time I wish we would have the commitment+money to achieve things like this for our environment and climate change.
One of the worst things about having to die for me is having to die now when the world is finally changing so quickly. The sense that a decade or two after I'm gone some really cool shit is going to transform everything and I'll be missing it.
The last concert I was at was Gordon Lightfoot. I was mesmerised by the voice and music. Here, people get lost recording with their phone and bedazzled by a billion dollar screen. What a waste.
There is a point where tech upstages the show and this is it. I would pay more to watch a psychedelic trip through the multiverse on this thing than I would to see any living band.
U2 showing their age by not understanding that they are NOT the artists to be playing on that stage. I agree I just want one dude with a sampler looping lo fi beats and David Attenborough sound bytes, and some weed. I want this https://youtu.be/-rPZSjSD9sw?si=f9ThzwjfazBDB_QB
I thought exactly that but with a huge side of, "Why does U2 constantly insert themselves into things," just jumping around my head like a Jack Russell fuckin terrier...
They're probably one of the few bands with an organization built around them that has the technical expertise and manpower to adapt their show to this venue on short notice.
I wonder if they use the speakers to create like a phased array. You might be able to improve sound quality for part of, or maybe even the entire seating area.
I am positive sound is delivered using line arrays for primary image and perhaps a grid of surround speakers for immersion. The place is large enough it may also have time-delayed satellite speakers to deliver more high frequency to distant seats. Here are my favorite line arrays: https://meyersound.com/product/panther/
I wonder about the computers or rigs that run it. Producing 16k images takes a LOT of throughput. Not to mention graphics cards. It's obviously pre rendered, but still. Even displaying it has to be computationally expensive.
There is some tolerance as the images are so far away. So the required resolution is 1 arc-minute (0.02 degrees). The screen is far enough away that 18k resolution is overkill.
Soundstage is different use of similar technology. But even if you are capturing 8k, 16k resolution will not show up in the signal acquisition. Which is what we want!
You might want to zoom in, or crop and scale in post. I suspect the resolution is just a byproduct of the components used though - the pixels were already a certain size and density when manufactured and they needed that many panels to cover the area... accidental 16k. At any rate, it's not THAT hard to drive that many pixels when we're already talking about building a stadium to put them on.
Post-thought - plus, that's just what we have now - this building presumably needs to last at least a decade or two for them to make their money back - and new tech WILL come out.
Agreed. But still wondering what they mean by “16k” here. That is only 2x2 4K panels. So are there multiple 16k projections or is this the entire resolution across the screen? If so then the pixelization on these images will be quite granular if seen up close. And in this day and age it is not difficult to push 16k down a visual pipeline.
I do AV work and I was just thinking the same exact thing, what those hidden rooms must look like. The machine that can render all those images at the same time.
Takes a lot less than mining one bitcoin. The answer is in server farms but the main bottleneck is video signal output, as this is definitely an edge blended multi-projection system. And there is off the shelf software that is available to do this type of video mapping. (I use projection loosely here, meaning any display of graphic information). Here is what I use: https://qlab.app/docs/v5/general/features
The weird thing is to tolerate failure, you have to create more point of failure. But, this also means the whole thing doesn't stop working when there's one problem. One bulb out of one bulb is worse than one bulb out over 200 bulbs. Well, old style Christmas lights would be a bid example for this. But, those only were daisy-chained and only had a single source of power.
I honestly don't think you could see a single Pixel failure on this screen not with open binoculars. I own an 6K display and resolution on it is so good that I have to scale something up to 300% and use a magnifying Loop to see the pixels
The concept of "4D" (the common marketing term) shows isn't particularly novel. Not usually done on this scale, mind, but I remember sitting through many different ones as a kid. Muppets, Shrek, I think there was a "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" one for a while... And many others. Pretty sure there's currently a [Lilo and] Stitch show still running at Magic Kingdom in Disney World, too.
I think I remember riding a janky one at the park inside the Mall of America (formerly Camp Snoopy, then The Park at the Mall, then Nickelodeon Universe) and it was literally like a jet puff. Like the same shit they do at the eye doctor to test your reflexes, just PUFF right in your seat arm with a smell. My sister just went to the Mall, we were talking about how unmistakable the log flume scent is. Remember that better than shitty puff "seats can tilt" ride. Don't mess with classics
They were willing to put together a show with the unique requirements of performing in that space. Its more difficult to design a visual show on a sphere interior.
It's quintessential inoffensive Dadrock for the olds. Just enough rock to feel like you're alive, not enough to get your blood pumping and give you a heart attack.
They are, and have always been, open to trying all sorts of tech stuff as part of their shows. Say what you will about their music and egos, but they know how to put on a good show, and they've probably done a lot more good in the world than bad, motives notwithstanding.
That was the moment U2 went from a band I didn’t care for, to the kid who always sat at my lunch table without being invited to proselytize about Eragon. ick.
I'm getting old. I was around for Achtung Baby and The Joshua Tree, I know how big those records were. I have never met anyone who describes themselves as a "U2 fan."
My dad flies around the world and sees them all over the place. He’s a huge fan. My mom did the same when she was alive; both members of the U2 fan club. It was insanely cringe
Superchief86
Give me a Muse show there. They already have kickass lights and effects.
xn1992
DorgEndo
Nope, too much vertigo for me
Stuey1221
I installed LED screens for a living, road side advertising, sports stadiums etc… but that thing is mind blowing.
ButteryBiscuitBass
I like the bare stage, and it seems each seat has a great vantage point. But give me a small, sweaty 1,000 standing-only venue over this any day of the week.
md22mdrx
So just fuck all of us with back issues, eh?
onlyheretoargue
So, this is what U2 has been reduced to? A house band in a casino?
foll0
The budget to upkeep all those leds must be fucking insane.
Stuey1221
You’d never notice if a few died. Depending on the pixel pitch you could loose entire chunks and not even notice
Wmcmwa
I assume they come in panels that can be drop-in replaced
Stuey1221
Yup. All varies according to manufacturer but most come in 32mm x 32mm squares
TheDouche
Good LEDs should last practically forever. I’m sure they didn’t use cheap ones.
keillrandor
I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see. And then, one day... I got in...
IWillFigureOutAWittyNameLater
hopefully that obnoxious guy isn't usually there
q2grapple
He has season tickets. In front of every open slot of tickets in the venue
yingjun
oh yes. reminds me of the tik tok guy that jumps off a balcony inside a trampoline park. Whoa-ho-ho!
burnsep
Jimmy Dolan?
brusten0
Melon husk?
Stuey1221
Bonio… the edge… which one. They’re both cunts
Gra55hopper
Wow, the Russian bots like U2 it seems; I’ve never met a real person that does!
firlefranz
cyno01
Bono never did a theme song for a Batman cartoon.
Sandalf
I wanna see and hear the Doctor Who opening on this.
cuddleskunk
Now...MSG also makes me think about monosodium glutamate. The EU additive code for this substance is e621. So I am now picturing being ensorcelled and enveloped by a giant, spherical blanket of wondrous furry smut.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
cuddleskunk
Imma have to watch this again. I really need a VR setup.
ramblercomet5772
Think of the money you'd save on LSD.
crapybarra
Think of the bang for your buck if you took LSD tho. You'd be losing money *not* doing it
Raileks
I still prefer at home but this is a close second on favorite places to get high
NaughtButOne
That'll be $723 a ticket please, plus $1 493 in venue fees. I dunno. Keep it, imo. I'll take an outdoor stage with $50 tickets.
Nateinthewild
I'm with you on this. Feels and looks kinda tacky to me, and just personally this isn't why I go see music. I'd be much happier outdoors.
giordanom
There is definitely something to be said for $50 dollar lawn tickets, but these are actually not *that* expensive. It's casinos, so they kind of subsidize shows and hope you blow money gambling. Estimated to be like 100-200 a ticket once the hype wears off, they're like 350ish now.
makeamericasmartagain9000
I admit this is a very cool thing and achievement. At the same time I wish we would have the commitment+money to achieve things like this for our environment and climate change.
trustworthyfart
I’m not sure an LED screen will help either of those all that much though.
nevertrustawetfart
xn1992
couple more pixels
FesteringStump
One of the worst things about having to die for me is having to die now when the world is finally changing so quickly. The sense that a decade or two after I'm gone some really cool shit is going to transform everything and I'll be missing it.
DigYourselfBaby
Yeah, the world is a fascinating place to be right now. I want to see what happens next! :)
etox24
The last concert I was at was Gordon Lightfoot. I was mesmerised by the voice and music. Here, people get lost recording with their phone and bedazzled by a billion dollar screen. What a waste.
EntertainMeNL
That's friggin U2 down there and everybody is looking at the pretty pictures. Not sure if it's an addition to a concert
Radix865
If you're in the backrow what the hell are you gonna see? You might as well be looking at ants unless you packed up some binoculars...
dancinshroom
The price you pay for such an event is being forced to sit through U2
hesbeginningtobelieve
I would be so much more interested in being there without u2 on stage
GravyEducation
I'll bring my own headphones just get me a joint
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
I CAN SEE THE ONE BAD PIXEL AAAAAAAAGHHH!
firlefranz
It‘s not a pixel, it‘s Bono‘s pecker!
v
Cactus21
“Scientific documentaries” would give a new perspective…
sweatybuttcrack
Are they going to put on movies? Aliens please
Omnimorph2112
U2 seems an absolute waste for this. Give me Tool dammit!
Stuey1221
Slipknot
thesmelge
Muse would do some insane shit with this.
ShipForBrains
I’ve seen them live twice, and hell yeah they would
flacoloco
oh man, I havent heard them in a while.
thesmelge
They've been a bit up and down recently, but their live shows are still top notch.
bezobzira
HeywouldJablowme
Fuck yeah
HeywouldJablowme
Imagine that shit in there...
ThatuldoPig
My first thought
Curii
Imagine what Jeff Wayne could do with it...
feet23849
Inaugural lighting of the Sphere - Las Vegas, NV July 4th 2023. Make sure to check out full vid /gallery/PRtzyAv
MrListerTheFirst
Full HD?
Superchief86
optikmike
240p 🤣
solidsteel314
There is a point where tech upstages the show and this is it. I would pay more to watch a psychedelic trip through the multiverse on this thing than I would to see any living band.
PedroBenecol
While I agree, it also makes me kinda sad.
Bhargo
yeah man u2 in a place like that feels like a waste
CoinedWatcher
My first thought was, I could bring earbuds and just enjoy the show
HeywouldJablowme
Especially seeing U2
Fillask
Combine it with Pink Floyd to make magic happen.
GravyEducation
Yeah U2 wasn't the show here
Algebraicrhombus
I bet almost any edm person would fit better here.
GravyEducation
U2 showing their age by not understanding that they are NOT the artists to be playing on that stage. I agree I just want one dude with a sampler looping lo fi beats and David Attenborough sound bytes, and some weed. I want this https://youtu.be/-rPZSjSD9sw?si=f9ThzwjfazBDB_QB
ihavesexwithllamas6
yes, and that is why U2 is playing. justifies high ticket prices, and nobody really cares how well U2 played.
servingmytimeinusersub
I'd want something along the lines of astronomy
TheLeanWolf
The tech here IS the show, U2 just provided live background music
jetportalchaos3
Clutch can play "Spacegrass" while I drive slowly through the galaxy in this thing.
phalanxausage
Excellent choice
ruint
let me know when shpongle book a set
ohgodthehorror
I love Shpongle. But I think even more popular bands like Tool, or Mr.Bungle would be great here too. U2 isn't my particular cup-of-tea.
ruint
I'd settle for gorillaz
AVOToastt
Yessss
Lamarzipan
Divine Moments of Truth
chaseNC
Omg, that would be insane.
AriBoBari
Isn’t Simon retired?
DumbB1tch
Yes, but he passed it along to his protege. They dont do a full band anynore though iirc, and it's a small band with a dj set.
chaseNC
Posford retired?
TussleTheCat
I dunno... I imagine going to a psychedelic EDM concert there would be a crazy experience, especially with the right party favors lol
SwadeWilson
Then about a tool show then
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
It's U2, they definitely needed the help.
farfie
Carl Sagan's Cosmos
Oblok
As a geek, I wonder about the amazing engineering. Power, cooling, panel calibration, networking, all with no tolerance for failure.
Stuey1221
Depends on the manufacturer but it’s a lot more simple than you’d think
MarsIsAfire
yeah, they used "engineering" and "no tolerance" in the same sentence lol
Stuey1221
I was referring to the LED aspect of it particularly the calibration
srsfaceI8C
Buddy of mine worked on it. I could ask him what he knows about that stuff.
Dannoboyo
But a broad range of tolerance for success, including possible redundancy.
Derfboy
I thought exactly that but with a huge side of, "Why does U2 constantly insert themselves into things," just jumping around my head like a Jack Russell fuckin terrier...
muchLongerUsername
They're probably one of the few bands with an organization built around them that has the technical expertise and manpower to adapt their show to this venue on short notice.
Noxnarie
Stop lying, y'all just wanna watch porn with it :)
barnwolf
I wonder if they use the speakers to create like a phased array. You might be able to improve sound quality for part of, or maybe even the entire seating area.
dbbbbs
I am positive sound is delivered using line arrays for primary image and perhaps a grid of surround speakers for immersion. The place is large enough it may also have time-delayed satellite speakers to deliver more high frequency to distant seats. Here are my favorite line arrays: https://meyersound.com/product/panther/
OrbitingPolarBear
"High" tolerance to failure
EngineeringComedy
Took about 50 tons of cooling just for the transformers of the outside lights.
arajad
Wow, that's all? That's about right for 10 or so 2500-sq-foot houses in that area.
wookietiddy
I wonder about the computers or rigs that run it. Producing 16k images takes a LOT of throughput. Not to mention graphics cards. It's obviously pre rendered, but still. Even displaying it has to be computationally expensive.
DustInComp
I wanna know what percentage of seats even has the right perspective to get the intended visual experience
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
As some friggin dude, i wanna do acid in this building
PoorSucker
You too?
FlipTheBirdBeforeTheBirdFlipsYou
Gon open a terminal on that bad boy
16bitStarbuck
dbbbbs
There is some tolerance as the images are so far away. So the required resolution is 1 arc-minute (0.02 degrees). The screen is far enough away that 18k resolution is overkill.
muchLongerUsername
Until you start using it as a soundstage...
dbbbbs
Soundstage is different use of similar technology. But even if you are capturing 8k, 16k resolution will not show up in the signal acquisition. Which is what we want!
muchLongerUsername
You might want to zoom in, or crop and scale in post. I suspect the resolution is just a byproduct of the components used though - the pixels were already a certain size and density when manufactured and they needed that many panels to cover the area... accidental 16k. At any rate, it's not THAT hard to drive that many pixels when we're already talking about building a stadium to put them on.
muchLongerUsername
Post-thought - plus, that's just what we have now - this building presumably needs to last at least a decade or two for them to make their money back - and new tech WILL come out.
dbbbbs
Agreed. But still wondering what they mean by “16k” here. That is only 2x2 4K panels. So are there multiple 16k projections or is this the entire resolution across the screen? If so then the pixelization on these images will be quite granular if seen up close. And in this day and age it is not difficult to push 16k down a visual pipeline.
bipolarmom83
How bad will this go?
Moose79
I saw it in person, and some of the screens were already messed up and showing dead pixels
TieflingDelivery
I do AV work and I was just thinking the same exact thing, what those hidden rooms must look like. The machine that can render all those images at the same time.
JusticePhrall
Probably in the same room under the stage as the unseen fellow who plays keyboards
dingofdong
Well, I imagine it'd all be prerendered video, but even so... displaying an 18k image isn't computationally cheap
TieflingDelivery
Yee, What I was trying to say lol.
dbbbbs
Takes a lot less than mining one bitcoin. The answer is in server farms but the main bottleneck is video signal output, as this is definitely an edge blended multi-projection system. And there is off the shelf software that is available to do this type of video mapping. (I use projection loosely here, meaning any display of graphic information). Here is what I use: https://qlab.app/docs/v5/general/features
GravyEducation
As a stoner I have similar but different thoughts
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Science videos
alcamar
GravyEducation
dbbbbs
And you don’t need the technology to see the trails!
VaultGirl69
The weird thing is to tolerate failure, you have to create more point of failure. But, this also means the whole thing doesn't stop working when there's one problem. One bulb out of one bulb is worse than one bulb out over 200 bulbs. Well, old style Christmas lights would be a bid example for this. But, those only were daisy-chained and only had a single source of power.
thatwoodguy
I honestly don't think you could see a single Pixel failure on this screen not with open binoculars. I own an 6K display and resolution on it is so good that I have to scale something up to 300% and use a magnifying Loop to see the pixels
VaultGirl69
They usually group them by panels. The sheer size of this thing can't be single panel like a TV.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Saw in a different post, apparently it also has the ability to generate a breeze and add scents to make it more immersive or something idk
Richter12x2
It's Las Vegas. It's going to smell like old cigarettes, weed, and piss inside of a week anyway.
cardinal29
Disney did that 20 years ago with the California Adventure ride
TheRealSprackle
The concept of "4D" (the common marketing term) shows isn't particularly novel. Not usually done on this scale, mind, but I remember sitting through many different ones as a kid. Muppets, Shrek, I think there was a "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" one for a while... And many others. Pretty sure there's currently a [Lilo and] Stitch show still running at Magic Kingdom in Disney World, too.
GravyEducation
I think I remember riding a janky one at the park inside the Mall of America (formerly Camp Snoopy, then The Park at the Mall, then Nickelodeon Universe) and it was literally like a jet puff. Like the same shit they do at the eye doctor to test your reflexes, just PUFF right in your seat arm with a smell. My sister just went to the Mall, we were talking about how unmistakable the log flume scent is. Remember that better than shitty puff "seats can tilt" ride. Don't mess with classics
Hooffartedyeahhh
Seriously?
prettytealtrees
Porn on that would be... uh...
SarcasticComment
Dive! Dive! Dive!
Vixess
Yes
H2ONerd
Immersive...
koops
*farts* “oh god wtf???”
GravyEducation
The scent of the band? Pass those dudes be sweaty
quadraspaz1
As a geek I wonder what it has to do with monosodium glutamate
HeadJamistan
Aforaseem
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
It has to do with the EU designation for monosodium glutamate.
Helixninja333
I don't want to be that much of a hater, but why is it always U2?
soulsource
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Crap
zachform
Thanks! I had a shitty day and this comment gave me a good chuckle.
Gayforbae
They were willing to put together a show with the unique requirements of performing in that space. Its more difficult to design a visual show on a sphere interior.
mardukkur
It's quintessential inoffensive Dadrock for the olds. Just enough rock to feel like you're alive, not enough to get your blood pumping and give you a heart attack.
MrOofGabe
Because inviting Travis Scott would have damaged the building along with multiple people getting killed.
firlefranz
Because they have been producing the same manure for 40 years?
Damicske
Money and technology.
cuddleskunk
They are, and have always been, open to trying all sorts of tech stuff as part of their shows. Say what you will about their music and egos, but they know how to put on a good show, and they've probably done a lot more good in the world than bad, motives notwithstanding.
cosonfused
they're always number one, never number two. especially Bono.
HeywouldJablowme
My very first thought. Put Tool on that fucking stage immediately.
apoliticalpanda
Or coldplay
ShospleColupis
That's what the police always said when they caught me and my buddy.
Alexoyeah
I don't wanna use the word 'lame' but they're such a "friendly" band
VeryEnthusiasticWalksThroughtheWoods
I still haven't forgiven them for downloading their songs to my phone all those years ago. Wouldn't even let me delete them
semioticmadness
That was the moment U2 went from a band I didn’t care for, to the kid who always sat at my lunch table without being invited to proselytize about Eragon. ick.
Init1alDee
hey, look at that! U2 put a free album on my phone!
...how do I get an album off my phone‽
LokiShade
Because Harry, Ron and Hermione were busy?
Hammertulski
Ah, an U3 joke. Marvelous.
DildorTheMighty
aPokal
Because it's the eye pod.
ObiWanKenobitch
As someone who had the U2 iPod in college, I want you to know how much I appreciate your comment.
candar
Heyyyyy!
CormacTheCat
I'm getting old. I was around for Achtung Baby and The Joshua Tree, I know how big those records were. I have never met anyone who describes themselves as a "U2 fan."
ReverseSyzygy
I have, but that was almost 30 years ago, and they were from Ireland
litelbrown
I am definitely a U2 fan. Seen them live several times. Always great.
WalksWithNoFear
You too?
Banzai51
Don't interact with Gen Xers much, eh?
CormacTheCat
I am Gen X. How else would I remember a record being released in 1987?
HubicPairs
My dad flies around the world and sees them all over the place. He’s a huge fan. My mom did the same when she was alive; both members of the U2 fan club. It was insanely cringe
dwolvin
Imagine when it gets to the real show: Lazer Pink Floyd!
AlcoholicAtaxia
onlyawfulnamesleft
I'd be interested in seeing what Tool would do with it.