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Oct 28, 2016 2:27 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMd6Rs-g6TQ
Cluelesshuman
Met her in person whilst at work, read her book. Couldn't believe we are the same age and she had gone through what she has. Amazing woman!
silentsuspekts87
She is one refined woman who escaped the fat dictator and now speaks English. GG first world people she beyond third world and has overtaken
LightDevourer
This is what everyone born in a western democratic country needs to understand. These things are no joke to us.
KelThuzadDidNothingWrong
Now I'm not saying she's full of shit, but she's definitely fishy http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-strange-tale-of-yeonmi-park/
ScotlandSaysFuckYouLongshanks
9:30 onwards for GIF's ... 0:01 onwards for humanity
imbatron
Is this real or is it like the "Kuwait" girl crying about how bad Saddam is?
eliandros
swaziwarrior
I agree that dictators like Un aren't funny, and that's exactly the reason I believe we should keep laughing at them.
Beastialitykilledthecat
I know shes talking about how she was oppressed but damn she pretty.
BarnesAndChernobyl
Haha I thought the same thing. Incredibly hot.
TheNygma
SCOTTSTERLINGthemanthemythandthelegend
It's been like that for a while. Are there any moves being made to help?
rrlyrae
north korea is supported by a neighboring communist dictatorship armed with nukes. it's been slow going.
DepartmentofAlternateFacts
Yea, recently south Korea sent a message saying all defectors will be welcomed with open arms and helped to join society happily
DrEXTREME
Nope. They also have a american citizen being dettained for (spying) which after a lot of torture they will ransom him for something.
henrahmagix
I'm reading her book, "In Order To Live." It's quite a difficult read (because DPRK is so so shit) but wonderfully eye-opening too. AA+++
MCPOJack117
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SchrodingersSchrodinger
A good follow up read is Escape from Camp 14. Incredibly powerful book written by the only known person to be born in & escape from a NKCC!
henrahmagix
Brill, thanks for the recommendation!
SchrodingersSchrodinger
You're welcome! Warning though...I cried my face off...though I cry pretty easily when it comes to this kinda thing so you might be safe!
SassyFatAssy
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foammouthguy
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ShitsNGiggelz
Thanks for the reference, I just put a hold on it at the library. Was looking for my next read.
Celinae
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Vixion
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bloodjunkie1113
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DontBeMadGETGLAD
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Azkadamn
she sets it out chronologically in her book, so a lot of these things make more sense now theyre not out of context
henrahmagix
Oh no, the comment is deleted! I was going to respond: the issues raised in that article are addressed at the end of chapter 22.
henrahmagix
Oh interesting! Thanks :)
flickerframe
The funniest thing is that religious people will never see, accept or will be aware of how similar this is with religion and religious dogma
zeusdemigod131
Why the hell haven't we shut down Scientology? Like a hundred people in there have gone missing! They have their own prisons!
flickerframe
As with all religions, power and money.
homerinchinatown
I prefer blanket statements that characterize huge groups of people. That's certainly much better....
flickerframe
So, are you saying that a majority of religious people know, identify and agree that religion is similar to a dictatorship? 1/2
flickerframe
Force fed propaganda while they blindly follow rules set by an unquestionable source? 2/2
SethCronyn
Such a brave woman. God, she's only 23.
FatKontroller
Yeah, she's got balls.
Blackd0nuts
I hope not
ErinFromTheOffice
GoodNewsCigaretteJuice
second to last was worth the gif, I will say. mostly agree with you tho
Applepotamus
i'll gif if i want to:
AlanRodriguezSz
ironic
willunconditionallydownvoterepoststatistics
Im just saying, north korea has created a new holocaust. There is nothing good or right going there and it needs to change.
BulldozerBeauty
I agree. Despite popular opinion being otherwise.
YamatoIouko
Popular opinion is what it is because nobody wants a hot war with China over NK.
spankatorium
Yes well, who is going to enforce change? The US? Invading a country next to China again? Let's take a look at history to see how that ended
OsirisOsirisOsiris
Fucking American shit. It's like you try to pet your dog with a hammer and it died, now the house is falling apart and you refuse to fix it.
OsirisOsirisOsiris
Because look what happened last time we used a hammer. Nu-uh, we gon' sit this 'un out.
Carefuler
The Great Leap Forward was just as bad. What can we do exactly?
Patchoulihou
Except it's not a holocaust.
AppleFoster
Couldn't hold myself together watching the full video.
LudicrousSpeedGo
Yeonmi Park. Awesome woman.
ramenbrothersandsisters
The look on her face says she's seen some shit. I cannot believe she made it out alive.
QuetzalcoatI
Everyone should watch "The Propaganda Game". Very well made and informative
Vixion
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Sasuuni
Also "The interview".
MrWoodchip
Mel Brooks said "Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric. But if you can bring these 1
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people down with comedy, they stand no chance." I feel this applies to this, but only after the regime collapses. To make this rhetoric 2
MrWoodchip
seen as a joke is the best way to nullify potential later followers of it. Of course, the DPRK needs to be taken down, and treated 2
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as a serious problem first.
Applefaces
That's not really what Brooks is saying then. The point is to undermine them while they're in power
stayawhilestayforever
Why are these GIFs?
EddyWally4President
Just imagine being a North Korean kid.. Poor souls
Patchoulihou
I can imagine it. It's like rural china, it's not miserable or amazing.
BannedAgainWTFthatWasntNSFW
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broccolismoke
Commenting for later. North Korea
HD226868
Why does the rest of the world's governmnets let this shit happen again?
Arsikere
china has their back
DrEXTREME
Mainly due to N.korea not having much strategic worth. Also china is still a ally to them and that is a huge can of worms to open.
Nubsva
Less of an ally, more of a friendly mediator. But you're right, China still doesn't want NK collapsing and being absorbed by SK.
DrEXTREME
Yeah that and they dont want us forces near thier border. And SK US And china doesn't want the influx of NK refugees.
Nova225
1. N Korea has nothing other countries want. It's a shithole. 2. China doesn't want the US right on its border being all influential.
CrazyCatLad
I've seen pictures from inside...countryside looks nice.
SpringToMyWinter
Devil's advocate: N Korea is a sovereign nation and other governments don't legally have a right to interfere. Counter: USA/Middle East
resipsaloquitor
Not devils advocate so much as geopolitical realist
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
When atrocities like what's happening in NK are going on the international community wouldn't have a problem with it, the problem is China.
mechanicalchaos
Every time I think what we're doing in the M. East is wrong I think of places like N. Korea/Africa and wonder about when -should- we step in
spetcnaz
Because you do not interfere with a sovereign nation. Slippery slope of where the line is drawn.
Falcrist
The rest of the world would be perfectly justified interfering. Some of the rest of the world would opposes interference, so none happens.
GeorgePotompkin
China doesn't want the West getting involved so close to their border, not do they want the refugees following a NK collapse and nobody 1
GeorgePotompkin
Wants NK nukes to go missing in a revolt and end up in radical hands in another country like Syria.
crankyoldgeezer
A revolt? Nah NK will sell missile & nukes for oil. But again I ask: would you go fight? It's easy to be a hawk when others sacrifice.
impulsivepassion
do we not have any soldiers in our military who would be willing to fight?
crankyoldgeezer
It's not that, they would go. The question is: is this what we want to use our forces for?
GeorgePotompkin
What made you think I'm a hawk? I didn't advocate war.
crankyoldgeezer
I thought you'd want to do something to avoid nukes in terrorist hands.
JustARichard
No would fall with their limited resources with due time that's not the problem. It's during that time and after what happens will have big>
crankyoldgeezer
I dunno I don't think they'll collapse any time soon despite all the sanctions.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
People talking about DPRK forget about the big ass elephant in the room, China.
JustARichard
Impact plus who's to say it won't be like another middle east were dictator after one another keep taking power
chase7436
There was already a war over it once...
CaffeineManic
Didn't you notice how poorly it went, to depose Quaddifi and Hussein because we didn't like the way they treated their citizens?
Arsikere
hussein switched from dollars to Euros in selling oil, we invaded a month later. Quaddafi started a new gold-backed african currency, we 1/
Arsikere
invaded shortly after. that's why.
Flyndaran
It went poorly, because the U.S. government never EVER really intended for toppling dictators to be the main purpose.
YamatoIouko
Even if it had been our intent, that transition never happens without incident. And NK has nukes that could easily go missing.
FramedMassochist
Well Hussein was an odd case, he was a US Ally, even on the payroll at times. His use needed to outweigh his aggro. Politics -_-
YourInfoIsCrapImgur
Pls watch > Adam Curtis, HyperNormalisation: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c via @bbciplayer
szepasszony
That was my first thought when I read this comment
bigdukesix
What do you mean again? See A cease-fire began in 1953 but there is no formal peace treaty between North and South Korea.
Canisiel
USA just waiting for NK to overstep it's boundaries.
ssjalhazred
1) China (which has been getting sick of NK but is not irrelevant) 2) the metric fuckton of artillery they have pointed across the border.
PirateRubberDuck
It would piss off China and China is big.
raskulv
I think if invaded the DPRK has a plan to systematically eliminate evidence of labour camps and other abuses by killing all prisoners.
raskulv
Not 100% sure but think its in 372 page report: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx
Locolarue
LOL...I applaud you for providing a source, but is that really only source available?
jsktrogdor
North Korea has literally tens of thousands of artillery pieces dug in and positioned in range of Seoul, a city of 10 million people.
strawberrycocoa
Because the laws that govern these things say you can't just walk in to a sovereign nation and "put a stop" to things you don't like.
finnforfun
Same reason people let other inhumane governments do their shit.
bypoop
Why don't the people revolt?
GreatTeacherMichael
How could you stop it? Go to war? DPRK has been preparing for that for over 60 years.
sunyudai
They have the worlds largest standing army in terms of infantry - and lots of Soviet Russia's hand-me-downs for equipment.
LordOfLepidoptera
Honestly they don't have the resources to fight any nation that would attack them, even with all the prep.
branflakes95
They have nuclear warheads and not much to lose, that's enough to not want to test how many resources they have to fight with.
Flyndaran
TIL: South Korea doesn't exist. How many of their innocents do you want dead?
YamatoIouko
All of them, apparently.
CrazyCatLad
Isn't Seoul within artillery range?
KharnApproves
You were downvoted for stating a fact. The Us military could destroy NK's warfighting ability in about a day.
That1Poster
They don't, China does.
KharnApproves
China wouldn't get into a shooting war to protect North Korea.
That1Poster
No but they'd certainly supply them.
marco7
shit like what? Proud people not sharing your idea of "freedom"? They live like that just because they don't want to bow... I respect that.
delpharseven
Because even the prospect of China standing aside and a quick victory over NK is terrifying. Who picks up the pieces? South Korea would 1/
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collapse under the burden of immediate reunification. SK has ~50M people and NK ~25M, but SK's GDP per capita is 50 times higher. Dropping2/
delpharseven
an additional 50% of SK's population on it to support, basically all of them unemployed (rate goes up to 33%), starving, and almost all 3/
delpharseven
of them are permanently mentally underdeveloped (by ~10 IQ points) due to childhood malnutrition. 4/4
crankyoldgeezer
We barely stopped genocide in Bosnia and didn't in Ruwanda, so a sovereign oppressive regime is hardly worth the lives of our youth.
YamatoIouko
This is an important point. Toppling these regimes costs the lives of our young men and women, and I'd rather we not.
TrijezniMujo
You didn't stop genocide in those places.
crankyoldgeezer
Not Ruwanda but the UN did halt the genocide in Bosnia no?
SomewhatOxygenated
Hell no. The Dutch government officially admitted being responsible for the Sbrenica massacre. If anything the UN made it worse.
TrijezniMujo
Mah nigga, you understand :D
TrijezniMujo
I dunno, the mass graves I've visited tell me otherwise. But fuck, I guess I am biased.
crankyoldgeezer
Yes it went on for a long time but the UN going in stopped it right? I never said it prevented genocide.
YamatoIouko
Depends on how you're defining genocide. If you mean "extermination of a race", then I think it was stopped in Bosnia?
crankyoldgeezer
Yama, I have Serbian friends, you can't discuss the war with them be they won't admit to the genocide that the UN agreed was going on. 1/2
crankyoldgeezer
2/2 also one of the main purposes of the UN charter is to stop genocide. Instead they feel like the victims as everyone ganged up on them.
TrijezniMujo
Not the work of the UN, thats for sure. They wanted us to be exterminated.
YamatoIouko
"Us"? You're a member of the group that was endangered? Huh.
DepartmentofAlternateFacts
Moral relativism for one (which is bull), the fact states shouldn't infringe on another's authority (better reason), so the best course woul
DepartmentofAlternateFacts
D be through the un, as a lot bullying is better than one, but they tried that in Somalia and fucked everything up, so reluctant to do it -
DepartmentofAlternateFacts
- again. So the best course chosen by world leaders is to just lock them out (stop trade) to encourage them to stop. But places still trade
PoutIan
As someone who lived there for 2 months, +1
cryborg
We live in a wonderful world, but parts are still severely f'd up
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
Wonderful is not exclusively positive either. "It makes you wonder." So your sentence works on both levels.
Jak3Barnes
The worst part is that even the people who laid the foundations for the stated existence couldn't have predicted this.
rrlyrae
huh? kim il sung was stalin's pick to run commie korea. stalin was all about cults of personality.
MrMagoo76
you can make anything look good on paper. I remember learning about communism in school and thinking 'that aint such a bad idea'
MaggGyver
Read Orwell's "1984". It is insane how right he was about the inner workings of a total dictatorship like N. Korea.
MegaDeuce
Well yeah he had the soviets as a guide. So did North Korea.
Locolarue
Fortunately, there are no more excuses for such people.
Acronymicon
The worst part was all of the unnecessary gifs
Nanaashi
Little bit of a more important issue than your mobile data, buddy
CaptHands
Yeah fuck you dick splash, it was a joke. And GIFs like this are annoying when you're trying to digest the power of the message quickly
ApsychicRat
its nat a question of data, its simply irritating and unnecessary, they can link to the vid if they want us to see the emotion better
Thebats
Yeah
Acronymicon
Wifi
Cereaza
I'm curious how the NPRK got started. I doubt Kim Il Sun predicted this or wanted this when it started. How did it happen!?
finnforfun
He made a mythology and people believed it
Cereaza
You can't sum up the DPRK with 8 words. Are there documentaries on what happened in Korea from the war-onward?
Eneficus
There aren't really sadly. There's plenty about the post war SKG though
Cereaza
Yeah, everything is like "inside North Korea today" I'm like, Bitch, how it get like this!?
jeandolly
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
norill
that's the same level of proverb stupidity as "curiosity killed the cat"
sunyudai
What good intentions were there?
jeandolly
Communism is full of good intentions, sharing the means of production, doing what you can but only take what you need ect...
sunyudai
From the start though, even during the War, the Workers Party under Kim Il-sung was tobogganing allies and consolidating power. (1/2)
sunyudai
I'm not convinced that they were ever actually trying to promote communism as a goal. (2/2)
TurboJer
Or they didn't care enough to consider the eventual outcome.
FooQuuxman
Only because they were so blind by their ideology so reality was double-plus-ungood-think. Anyone with a brain could have predicted this 1/2
FooQuuxman
though perhaps not in the *exact* form it took. But this is what always happens when individuals are irrelevant, and the collective is all.
YamatoIouko
Marxism correctly diagnoses the abuse of the underclasses by the rich, but does not present a viable solution. That is its true failing.
Hobert
Marx never worked, he relied on his rich friend for income. He was a hypocrite, if he was a factory worker his theories might be realistic
FooQuuxman
Doesn't help that Marx, like so many other thinkers of his era had no clue what they were actually looking at. The Industrial Revolution 1/2
FooQuuxman
was a mess, but most of the people who were being "oppressed" by the factory system were much better than they were before. It is only 2/?
isaydefy
It's also unfortunate that communism was hijacked pretty early on by a dictator, and Stalin didn't care about the people, only himself.
YamatoIouko
It's flawed from inception; even if the execution were perfect, it would have major issues.
willzyx1980
Yeah all that "abuse" like steadily rising real wages, improved working conditions, etc. You need to study actual economic history.
Vundergluber
Shhh, these are Bernie fans you're talking to. They don't like facts about Socialism being spread.
YamatoIouko
Yeah, most of those were the results of protections being given to workers, you know.
DisGonBeGud
Total dictatorship like that never happens overnight. You need to brainwash generations of people first...
JayEnfield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
Ynigmatik
tiduszecht
he needs a bath
phil1d
One significant generational trauma can be enough to change a society, and Korea went through several in a short time in 19/20th centuries
chuckinnnpoppin
Same thing happened in Russia, generations of trauma.
TheForceRestrained
Kim Il sung bought into the then-viable philosophy of soviet communism, but still wanted a prosperous country, then his descendants fuked up
isaydefy
Soviet communism at the time I don't think was very viable. After Lenin things were shit. Stalinism wasn't about a better life for the 1/2
isaydefy
workers. It was about securing Stalin's regime. He would and did kill millions out of fear. Marx and Lenin would be horrified by Stalinism.
desertpole
Completely disagree. He wanted to be a living GOD! And he did in his country. He set the foundation of this monstrosity called DPRK.
Eneficus
Nope. Post death he was made a god
tobias1792
YouTube link and pictures are all you need to portray her profoundly brave message.
Shaggers
Be warned, you will most likely cry watching the sauce...but if it raises awareness for this so we can end shit like this its worth it.
nicofranco
Her emotions are captured too vividly with every word... to only use pictures would be a travesty for her unquestionable feels 4 oppression
mrfreakinpenguin
Do the pictures moving make it harder for you to read? You just feel so oppressed.
Mecha858
It's because Gifs use much more data than pictures and the gif doesn't reveal any more content, other than her expression changing.
Iassann
and science...
serviceofterms
Fucking lassann
imrizzy
Places like n korea scare the sht outta me. The fact that other people created that environment...
ILiveUnderARock
Lichen Korea.
Showmeyourotters
What's really scary to me is I know next to nothing about them, and feel like I have no way to change that, since people in charge want that
ThankSpec2reImReal
Then get some historic understanding because we are in the foundation of doing something like it here. Educate yourself and vote
ApsychicRat
im supprised the world allows n korea to continue, we let those people suffer because it will be hard to free them, but they need freedom
sunyudai
They are allowed to exist because China protects them. China does so because they fear an invasion if US allied SC takes the peninsula.
Whydontyougofuckyourself
What scares me about it is how unaware the citizens are. They truly believe that their way of life is the only one
wantondisregard
Well from another post i looked up Scientologys "the hole", not on the same level, but that shit is going on in the US
errigal
Yeah that's some fucked up shit. I don't know how they get away with it.
sunyudai
"Religious Freedom" laws combined with having a lot of money for lawyers and having a celebrity member to hide behind.
cupcakegrenade
scares the fuck outta me that N. Korea even exists today, or places where ppl are beheaded for blasphemy, blows my mind in this day and age
odraencoded
It's because you live in a country. They live in another country.
resipsaloquitor
Have you ever seen the stuff about the philipinos who crucify themselves on good f iday?
imrizzy
Ah! WHAT THE SHT. Altho like that other dude said, they're signing up for that themselves. Still shocking tho
charismaticneutral
Yeah dude i used to live there. Its the highest honor. Theyre fuckin happy to do it. I mean. More power to em but fuckin hell thats intense.
TeammateAssist
The reenactment of the crucifixion?
resipsaloquitor
Yeah. Fucking insane shit
UnslicedBreadisCoolToo
People have been using "in this day and age" as an excuse since...ever. Drop that mentality and realize it's not time sensitive.
cupcakegrenade
I wasn't excusing anything I'm confounded that in this current time were in with the advancements we have such barbaric acts shouldn'thappen
UnslicedBreadisCoolToo
I also get maybe by advancements you mean culturally as well. It still applies, however. There's no safe way to diffuse NK.
UnslicedBreadisCoolToo
It's all relative and tech isn't going to stop this. Power is power is power. Relatively small in the big picture, but to DPRK it's all.
jake96
I've seen this speaker posted before and never listened, just did and now I know why it gets posted all the time.
justanotheroneofthosegenericlongusernames
Watched her original speech. Cried.
Dualbrinky
Her book is a good read. In Order To Live.
Dualbrinky
Well.. good may not be the word, an interesting read
Anim3queen
Until you realize she has about 4 VERY different stories when it comes to her "escape" and that her family was VERY privileged in N Korea.
sunyudai
Yes, her family is rich over there. The rich can be oppressed too. She lived in fear, that is enough.
Dualbrinky
Rich? Relative to the rest of the north korean population, relative to us Amercans and Europeans, absolute abject poverty
sunyudai
Very different? she has differed on saying whether she has crossed large hills or mountains., that's all I've seen.
Anim3queen
Read the link provided earlier, it breaks down the VAST differences in her many stories.
sunyudai
TheDiplomat link? Nothing there that isn't easy to mistranslate due to Korean phraseology and idioms, or differences in childhood memories.
Anim3queen
homerinchinatown
Yup. I'm sure they had it great. That's why she's still there now. Oh, wait...
Anim3queen
They had it much MUCH better than most North Koreans. 1/2
pizzaparty
Shouldn't that only underscore the even worse misery/starvation of other N Koreans who were "less well off"?
Anim3queen
I'm not against her escaping, I'm against lies. Good for her for escaping.
homerinchinatown
Seems like the jury's still out on the 'lying'. We do know that she escaped to get away from that good life in N Korea, though...
Dualbrinky
No she didnt, They had 1 potato a day if they were lucky and they jad a snes... in 2004. Thats rich?