I think about how dumb people are whenever I go grocery shopping and I see the big sign by the gift cards "Government Offices will NEVER ask for payment via Gift Cards." People be dumb as shit.
I met a woman on Match who had been horribly catfished and scammed, it was a very sad story and I felt bad for her. Predators are very skilled at manipulation… we only met once, she clearly was still grieving her mistake.
There is a kind of sad UK daytime 'romance frauds' show called For Love or Money full of creepy middle-aged men and sad middle-aged women who end up getting conned into sending the stunning East European or Asian " love of their life " their entire life savings.
Disturbingly enough, that is the common trend on how people are painted. A middle aged bloke on his own, lonely, looking for connection *must be creepy, or surely he'd have a woman.* But a middle aged lonely woman is a *sad tragic character who is a victim of a society that prefers younger virile women* (I've seen both arguments actually said by the same fucking person.)
My 92 year old neighbor was scammed out of her life savings by one of these monsters who was claiming to be a "bank investigator". He told her that her account and local branch were "compromised" by scammers who were monitoring her calls and those of her son, so don't call him or listen to local branch employees. Her bank had opened new secure accounts for her, and that she was to move all her money to the new accounts. These people are the worst, yet I rarely hear of them caught.
Back when I worked for a PD, I took a statement from a woman who got scammed like this to the tune of $245,000 over two years. I admit I started at her in disbelief. We’re both women, she’s higher educated than I am, same age as me, but she fell for the lies - some were so stupid too. I don’t get it.
I think She-Hulk had an episode on exactly this kinda thing. Well, maybe not exactly; I don't think "Dacre" here was a shapeshifting Light Elf from Asgard.
I get that. I understand that it is technically correct, the best kind of correct, it’s just that the wording of it sounds weird to me. Like, if a woman had murdered her husband and the news referred to her as a single mother when talking about it. She is single as a result of her own actions.
My spouse got catfished for a couple years before we met. And this person was eventually sending him large amounts of money for him to send to somebody else, always a “friend” or “relative”. When he finally became wise to the fact that they were just using him to what he was pretty sure was laundering money, he kept the last sim they sent and broke off contact. It was 11K. But it really messed with his self confidence and ability to trust ppl for a long time.
Keeping potentially laundered money seems like a really good way to get a lot of the wrong kind of people interested in your life? But I hope they are doing better with the confidence!
He was at a low point in his life he didn’t have much left to lose. The bank he was getting it deposited in did freeze his account and told him he was banned from banking there ever again shortly after. There’s a lot of details I’ve left out to keep a long story short but it’s one of the crazier catfishing stories I’ve ever heard. We’ve been together for 6 years, happily married for 3.5 of them so yea he’s doing much better now:)
Could have been worse financially. Common scam is to send money to the victim from a compromised account, then the victim willfully sends funds to a "legitimate" account. Scammer cashes out the "legit" account, fraudulent transfer to the victim from the compromised account is undone, and now the victim is out $X.
Yea he kinda lucked out with that part. I’ve always heard of victims sending money, not receiving it. Whoever it was he was talking to definitely wasn’t working alone. They had just about every detail set up to convince somebody they were real. For example, he asked her to send a pic of her holding a piece of paper saying “I love you, (His name)” somebody managed to find a photo of the girl who’s identity she was using holding a pillow, and photoshop a piece of paper with the words he asked…
for into the area where the pillow was. If I hadn’t known it was photoshopped it was very convincing. I think she was using the identity of a not very well known pornstar from the UK’s photos and I think he found out about that because a friend of his was like “dude, isn’t this that girl you’re talking to?” There were definitely some tells from what he showed me but he admitted he was on a really low point in his life, he didn’t have a social life really, and his self esteem was at its lowest…
so he just believed what he wanted to believe because it felt nice to be given that positive attention. Which seems to be the pattern with victims of catfishing.
Ya'll just assume he's rolling in money. He was a Power Ranger in the movie no one liked, he had a small part in Stranger Things, and he was Elvis. And streaming residuals are WHY there's currently an WGA and SAG strike. He's had 3 roles of note and probably only 1 that paid well. I'm not saying he's broke, but if he's bad with money he could easily be.
I'm sure he had some story about getting stolen from or mistreated or something, that's a common element in these scams. But its also pretty trivial to, you know, have a minimum level of credulity when it comes to something like this. "Oh man this hot famous man needs me badly??? I believe!!!"
She might not have much common sense. Who knows, I don't know her. But she could also just want to believe badly enough that she let herself be deceived. Which isn't dumb but is sad. Loneliness sucks.
My sister is special needs and is absolutely sure the person she is talking to online is Mariah Carey who needs Steam gift cards for her sons. As much as I keep explaining she’s being scammed and to not send the very rich Mariah Carey any money, there isn’t much more I can do.
Not sure how that would work honestly. We’ve been out of touch 15 years and just started talking this year. She says she’s talking to a porn star (who she claims hasn’t asked her for anything) and they’re girlfriends and she wants to meet her. Then there’s these Mariah Carey scammers. Whenever we talk I make her agree she is not sending them money, and I don’t think she has because she only makes disability from the government and doesn’t leave the house without a caretaker.
i always said if i was just a little less moral i could start a mega church or some shit and make millions, sadly i feel like shit when i take too long of lunch so no chance here
Make tchotchkes with dumb modern GOP talking points printed on them. Those people will buy ANYTHING with “let’s go Brandon” or “I’d butt bang my own daughter” on it.
I thought about this for trumpers. So easily fooled and they never read fine print. You could easily start a bunch of social medias and just say you're being persecuted for your words. Babble on about Joe, hunter, etc. Problem is, you'd definitely be doing more harm than good, and also your own mental health will be fucked.
It's quite the ethical dilemma - a biiiig part of me is like, yes you poor underprivileged mf in an underdeveloped country just trying to survive, you go. Take advantage. If someone has more money than sense and is gullible enough to send you the money you need to help feed yourself and possibly your family, you go right ahead. Fuck it. People gotta learn somehow.
Having met several people who I consider very smart, who have been victims of scammers, I'm a firm believer that everyone has a scam they are susceptible to. You're not stupid just because a bad actor knew exactly what to say to get your hopes up, then proceeded to take advantage of those hopes. Saying people deserve it for being stupid is victim blaming.
You said it was an ethical dilemma, I was informing you it wasn't. If someone is willing to take advantage of people because they view them as dumb or otherwise lesser that someone is a bad person. 'teaching them a life lesson" is something bad people say to convince themselves they aren't bad. That's all I wanted to come across, have a blessed night
What i said was, If someone has basically no options for survival than taking advantage of a low iq, high ego person who can be convinced of something as transparent as a gorgeous Internet stranger wants to marry them but just *happens* to need a big bunch of money, I have a hard time being mad about it. "Bad person" is a judgement call that is easy to make from a place of privilege when you've never starved or seen your children starve.
So did Ron Hubbard. Also he was a famous author so people noticed. Then of course he started his own religion. People still fell for it and continue to. You can't spell cult without VULNERABLE IDIOTS.
Luckily there’s a whole group of people who actually like getting grifted, it seems to be their fetish. They’re easy to find too, just look for their signature red hat, you know the one…
Luckily, I don't have a conscience that would nag me if someone stupid gave me money. Unfortunately I don't have the charisma to convince them to do so.
You don't need charisma either. Most scammers have scripts they rigidly stick to and simply move on to the next mark if they have to improvise too much
Look, you don’t know charisma this stuff sells itself. Now I know you’ve all been hearing people say “Trump bucks are worthless” but that’s because those are the ****ist LIBS that don’t want you to know the TRUTH and want to destroy FREEDOM. Now it’s true that Trump Bucks may not be “Legal Tender” but that’s not what banks do. Banks pay out loans on the likelihood of being paid back with interest. Now the banks know Trump is the most stable, most wealthiest, best businessman in the world.
So the banks know trump will always make good on his word and always pay his bills. Once this indictment is exposed as the fake witch-hunt it is and Trump is president in 2024 (and he will be) he is going to make Trump Bucks legal tender and the banks are going to increase their value x10!!! to reward his loyal supporters. That means your $1000 purchase of Trump Bucks will be worth $10 000 in 2024 BUT ONLY IF YOU BUY NOW. Cash, eTransfer, or precious metals being accepted now.
You know, if you have no remorse for large corporations: a lot of them just don't bother screening invoices for less than a few hundred dollars. Just do some digging and find the AP email of companies. Keep it under $500 and you'll probably get some hits.
There are now several companies who send everybody who has a domain name a bill for several hundred $ "to be included in their directory" with vague threats of "having the domain be inaccessible" .
Wouldn't work with the company I work for. They just flat out refuse to pay anyone even if they have the proper work order numbers and what not. It takes ages to get money from them unless you are another very large company.
You'd be surprised at just how frequent the "just don't pay anybody" strategy gets employed, and just how long it takes for consequences to arrive. There's a certain mixture of narcissist/kleptomaniac personality that seems to just be naturally attracted to and thrive in businesses.
Doesn’t matter if you have no remorse for corporations, it’s still stealing. One’s own moral code should guide them to understand this. And contrary to popular belief, doing something illegal is still illegal even if you don’t get caught.
You're playing by a moral code that's being abused by the same people you're using the code to protect. Its time to get real and realize you're not being morally upstanding, you're just getting duped
Other people breaking the rules that I choose to follow is not justification for me to break those rules as well. I know right from wrong and understand that I don’t need to participate in wrongdoing in order to not be taken advantage of.
Your idea of right and wrong is skewed by archaic systems imposed onto you. Have you thought to ask yourself why its wrong to steal from someone who steals from you, ruminated on it and why you've not drawn a line between stealing from your neighbors and stealing from someone who deserves it? You've got a moral high ground that's really just quicksand
A friend worked an illegal call centre scamming Americans. She made serious money. Every once in a while she’d go to work and all the computers would be gone and the doors locked.
We could start a church down south and fleece ALL those racists. I can do a southern accent pretty well. Just spout a bunch of BS and watch the dollars roll in.
To be fair, you would also need to be very skilled at evading law enforcement since this is highly illegal. It's a very high risk/high reward endeavor even if you can internally justify what you are doing so you can sleep at night.
My mother in law was scammed out of several thousand dollars by a supposed architect in England. Loneliness can make people really stupid. The scam was that it was money to help him fly out to be with her because his money was currently tied up in investments and he wouldn't have liquid cash for a while.
"the fuckin studio's screwing me over! Apparently I signed a contract that's really abusive! And I can't get any of the money they owe me until I hire a lawyer to dispute it all! So, I'm really stuck right now. I really could use a friend..."
People are beating up this woman, and maybe rightfully so, but 75 MILLION grown-ass adult Americans voted for a self-proclaimed billionaire who's been asking the same thing of his followers for years.
The scammer played to her own victimization. Convinced her, that his "girlfriend" was controlling and locked access to his accounts. She still super dumb.
Well, bad news for poor people trying to get their hands onto celebrities during conventions. They actually DO charge money (not 10k) but 3 digit amounts are normal
Honestly they just try to cast as wide a net as possible, usually they don't specifically target anyone they just bulk work through information and often it works.
Usually the imply urgency, this often creates a distraction as the person is more focused on how to make the target deadline than having a few moments to think about if its a scam.
They don't target dumb people either, they target desperate people as those are far more vulnerable to manipulation. Even smart people can easily get duped if they're caught in moments where they're at their lowest and desperately need a turn of good luck from somewhere.
No no. They target dumb people. That's why there's misspellings and email addresses that look like a cat ran across their keyboard. That's the first test and if you can't see past that you're more likely to follow all the way through with whatever they have planned next
"Dumb people" are generally only that way due to bad education, and bad education is a result of poverty. Those people generally have a bad life and are highly stressed as a result, which makes critical thinking much more exhausting. Those people are in a very specific kind of desperation to get a better life, and easy to manipulate because they have neither the tools nor the energy to actually see through the manipulation. Correlation does not imply causation,plenty of smart people get scammed.
... It's also silly to assume they wouldn't fish for more than one type of person to take the bait, like people with dementia or lonely elderly people hoping desperately for some kind of social interaction. It's not helpful to the victim to blame for being manipulated when it's the other party doing the bad shit in the first place. This is like blaming woman for "dressing provocatively" all over again.
This poor poor girl, anyone with the internet could have told her his character would return in the episode called dear Billy. But she probably wanted to believe so badly to begin with. Like the guy who thought he was in a relationship with Katy Perry.
We gotta get a lower decks episode that makes that weird creature look like a catfish scheme. And maybe explain that that, Apollo, Trevellain, and the guy who took away faces were all Qs.
My employer is doing a hiring freeze, stopping all travel, and reducing bonuses because of their financials. They aren't in the red, they didn't loose money. They made 92 billion last year. But that's down 5% so they're going to act like they're bleeding money and near bankrupt. Even though it's in part because they're a business that did really well during the pandemic. So basically they're acting poor because they got a huge bonus the past 3 years.
Same. My employer just had a self-congratulatory meeting to announce we hit the 5B mark and lay out our plan to march toward 10B. Aaaaand also announce that we are freezing our training/meeting budgets, cutting travel, and tightening belts.
Weirdly, it's for the exact same reason! Corporate greed, and the late stage capitalism that allows for it to thrive! Thank God the American dream is alive and well in every food bank in America
Because even if they got paid $15/hour, that’s still $30k a year and a average housing in the US (before utilities) is $2k/month. That plus education is too expensive for most and employers aren’t hiring as much as they say they are
I had a co-worker put in their 2 weeks notice because they won the lottery. It was amazing, everyone excited for her, until the details came out that she was contacted via email, and the lottery commission was asking for $1,500 to process her prize. She sent the money, and a few weeks later came back asking for her job back. She wouldn't listen to any of us
I'm so paranoid that even if I legitimately won the lottery and had the money in the bank I probably still wouldn't quit my job on the assumption that nothing that good happens in real life so it must be a scam.
I try to have no expectations for anything. This means i count my chickens after they hatched and dont keep them all in the same basket. It means when nice things happen, they are so much nicer. When bad things happen, at least I'm not disappointed.
Desperate and dumb aren't incompatible. She was desperate AND dumb. You would need to be really dumb to leave your husband and lose $10k for someone that you haven't confirmed the identity of.
Umm no. She's dumb. She gave 10k to cheat on her husband because she thought movie stars contacted random people on the internet for hookups. That's dumb.
Doesn’t "dodged a bullet" usually only apply if they wave massive red flags *before* you get emotionally/otherwise invested with a person? It's more like the husband took an entire magazine from an M16 in this case.
Makes you wonder what their relationship was like. Was it good, boring, toxic, abusive? If the relationship was shit it would be more understandable, but some people are just star crazy. We have no idea
Having worked in IT and Banking both, most people would be disturbed at how many of the so called 'smart' people, business owners, wealthy entrepreneurs etc fall for Romance scams. So, was she dumb? In this yes. It doesn't mean she's dumb in everything. Was the guy I knew who lost 81k to his 'Canadian Girlfriend' dumb? In this... yes. In other things? No. He didn't have that sort of scratch laying about via inheritance, poor fuck actually earned it fair and square.
Working hard enough to be successful often means sacrificing social growth and experience. When social interaction comes to them, they tend to not look a gift horse in the mouth.
The thing with romance scams isn't that you need a dumb mark. It's that you need a mark so fucking lonely that their loneliness and sheer hope for human contact overrules their common sense and business smarts.
Oh, don't worry. You can still be rolled for everything you own. Actually, disregard that. I'm hot, single and really really into you. We should chat. Have I mentioned that I'm your preferred gender and am very attracted to you? Also, I'm sure I can get a really awesome job near you, there's just no-one hiring near me. If you can spot me some money for the plane ticket I can repay you with either money or ... y'know ... or *both* mmmmhhhmmmm!
LuminoZero
I think about how dumb people are whenever I go grocery shopping and I see the big sign by the gift cards "Government Offices will NEVER ask for payment via Gift Cards." People be dumb as shit.
qtRaven
Nic111111
So she is a single mother BECAUSE she left her husband for an internet romance fraud?
avastmehearty
I met a woman on Match who had been horribly catfished and scammed, it was a very sad story and I felt bad for her. Predators are very skilled at manipulation… we only met once, she clearly was still grieving her mistake.
snofler
It doesn't seem like the love between her and her husband was true, if she leaves like that.
IndigoThursday
I feel so sorry for their kid
UnknownParticipant67
I loathe people who cheat on their marriage. If her vows meant that little to her, I don't feel bad that she made herself look like a clown.
Calicoastin818
The 2016 elections and the pandemic taught me we have millions of morons living in the country, they all voted for trump, people are dumb dumb dumb
AnAliyAiden
marthafarquar
There is a kind of sad UK daytime 'romance frauds' show called For Love or Money full of creepy middle-aged men and sad middle-aged women who end up getting conned into sending the stunning East European or Asian " love of their life " their entire life savings.
NotaCPA
Do they get to be in a relationship with the attractive lady/man for a little bit though? So there is a chance!
beenbannedb4
So you say the guys are creepy but the women are just sad? I think both are both.
superseriouscomments
not sexually attractive, to be precise
kadaeux
Disturbingly enough, that is the common trend on how people are painted. A middle aged bloke on his own, lonely, looking for connection *must be creepy, or surely he'd have a woman.* But a middle aged lonely woman is a *sad tragic character who is a victim of a society that prefers younger virile women* (I've seen both arguments actually said by the same fucking person.)
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
I used to say that when I was married to Brad Pitt.
BushDidWolf359
That don’t impress-a me much
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
Married Brad Pitt. I'm not Brad Pitt, Shania.
BushDidWolf359
Neither impressas me much!
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
What if I told you I was a rocket scientist?
BushDidWolf359
You think you’re special, huh? You think you’re something else?
whitey211
SHE turned her own life upsidedown.
TurboCartoonSmuggler
My thoughts go out to the family she abandoned, yikes.
rubypilgrim
My 92 year old neighbor was scammed out of her life savings by one of these monsters who was claiming to be a "bank investigator". He told her that her account and local branch were "compromised" by scammers who were monitoring her calls and those of her son, so don't call him or listen to local branch employees. Her bank had opened new secure accounts for her, and that she was to move all her money to the new accounts. These people are the worst, yet I rarely hear of them caught.
mcglirkymeow
Back when I worked for a PD, I took a statement from a woman who got scammed like this to the tune of $245,000 over two years. I admit I started at her in disbelief. We’re both women, she’s higher educated than I am, same age as me, but she fell for the lies - some were so stupid too. I don’t get it.
Wolfdens
SteveMND
I think She-Hulk had an episode on exactly this kinda thing. Well, maybe not exactly; I don't think "Dacre" here was a shapeshifting Light Elf from Asgard.
NotyouGuillermo
That's what I was thinking of! And they had to prove that dude was confident/delusional enough to believe he had a chance with Megan thee stallion
TheRealGoddamnLochNessMonster
I love a good villian and that dude fuckin nailed it.
reallybigpianist
Wait she left her husband for the scammer? Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?
Zap117
I feel like the husband got the better deal here
nothingunused
You are so dumb
You are really dumb, for real
You are really, really, really, really so dumb
sevenfingerman
Hold on, single mother left her husband?
PuckerScream
Well, she's a single mother now.
sevenfingerman
I get that. I understand that it is technically correct, the best kind of correct, it’s just that the wording of it sounds weird to me. Like, if a woman had murdered her husband and the news referred to her as a single mother when talking about it. She is single as a result of her own actions.
AnxiaTeaDD
My spouse got catfished for a couple years before we met. And this person was eventually sending him large amounts of money for him to send to somebody else, always a “friend” or “relative”. When he finally became wise to the fact that they were just using him to what he was pretty sure was laundering money, he kept the last sim they sent and broke off contact. It was 11K. But it really messed with his self confidence and ability to trust ppl for a long time.
AnxiaTeaDD
sum*
Rathan5
Keeping potentially laundered money seems like a really good way to get a lot of the wrong kind of people interested in your life? But I hope they are doing better with the confidence!
AnxiaTeaDD
He was at a low point in his life he didn’t have much left to lose. The bank he was getting it deposited in did freeze his account and told him he was banned from banking there ever again shortly after. There’s a lot of details I’ve left out to keep a long story short but it’s one of the crazier catfishing stories I’ve ever heard. We’ve been together for 6 years, happily married for 3.5 of them so yea he’s doing much better now:)
paulbloface
Could have been worse financially. Common scam is to send money to the victim from a compromised account, then the victim willfully sends funds to a "legitimate" account. Scammer cashes out the "legit" account, fraudulent transfer to the victim from the compromised account is undone, and now the victim is out $X.
AnxiaTeaDD
Yea he kinda lucked out with that part. I’ve always heard of victims sending money, not receiving it. Whoever it was he was talking to definitely wasn’t working alone. They had just about every detail set up to convince somebody they were real. For example, he asked her to send a pic of her holding a piece of paper saying “I love you, (His name)” somebody managed to find a photo of the girl who’s identity she was using holding a pillow, and photoshop a piece of paper with the words he asked…
AnxiaTeaDD
for into the area where the pillow was. If I hadn’t known it was photoshopped it was very convincing. I think she was using the identity of a not very well known pornstar from the UK’s photos and I think he found out about that because a friend of his was like “dude, isn’t this that girl you’re talking to?” There were definitely some tells from what he showed me but he admitted he was on a really low point in his life, he didn’t have a social life really, and his self esteem was at its lowest…
AnxiaTeaDD
so he just believed what he wanted to believe because it felt nice to be given that positive attention. Which seems to be the pattern with victims of catfishing.
rogerjun0497
My online gf, Lucy Liu, says people fall for this all the time.
goflyblind
she told me that she loves me more than the moon and the stars and the--POETIC IMAGE NUMBER 37 NOT FOUND.
HapilyDamaged
MithridateEupator
I'll always remember you Fry MEMORY DELETED
DrewtanggaurdiumLeviosa
Insert futurama.gif
nouseforaheart
*our...but don't worry I'm not jealous, she says I'm her favorite
miked854
Ya'll just assume he's rolling in money. He was a Power Ranger in the movie no one liked, he had a small part in Stranger Things, and he was Elvis. And streaming residuals are WHY there's currently an WGA and SAG strike. He's had 3 roles of note and probably only 1 that paid well. I'm not saying he's broke, but if he's bad with money he could easily be.
Strangeboke
I'm sure he had some story about getting stolen from or mistreated or something, that's a common element in these scams. But its also pretty trivial to, you know, have a minimum level of credulity when it comes to something like this. "Oh man this hot famous man needs me badly??? I believe!!!"
DiracsDelta
That all has very little bearing on the fact someone tore their life apart over nothing more than words on a screen.
iosej
But it has a lot of bearing on the post title and the many, many comments about an actor not needing money
imgurnaknockuout
If you ever wondered why there are so many 'Nigerian Princes', this is why
Strangeboke
Fun fact, a lot of those scams actually came out of nigeria.
Sebastopol140
That woman dumb, real dumb.
takingupspace
She might not have much common sense. Who knows, I don't know her. But she could also just want to believe badly enough that she let herself be deceived. Which isn't dumb but is sad. Loneliness sucks.
takingupspace
Okay, so I see now she left her husband. If true and her husband isn't abusive then she's just dumb and a piece of shit to boot.
SnapKylePop
You can be married and lonely at the same time.
verganas
Fo'real
Hemelsblauw
It's more complex than that.
unnecessaryexplosions7
Incorrect.
VincitQuiSeVincit
IDownvoteKhaby
That's a very comforting sentiment (especially if you place yourself in the top half) but the world has no obligation to be that simple.
Sebastopol140
Ok, yeah, maybe, but the main ingredient is dumb.
jimzakany
If you looked on the back of the bottle, the first ingredient listed would be "dumb."
YouThinkThatsBad
My sister is special needs and is absolutely sure the person she is talking to online is Mariah Carey who needs Steam gift cards for her sons. As much as I keep explaining she’s being scammed and to not send the very rich Mariah Carey any money, there isn’t much more I can do.
IndigoThursday
Have you tried telling the police
YouThinkThatsBad
Not sure how that would work honestly. We’ve been out of touch 15 years and just started talking this year. She says she’s talking to a porn star (who she claims hasn’t asked her for anything) and they’re girlfriends and she wants to meet her. Then there’s these Mariah Carey scammers. Whenever we talk I make her agree she is not sending them money, and I don’t think she has because she only makes disability from the government and doesn’t leave the house without a caretaker.
Exdeath5000
Didn't realize making money was this easy. I wish I didn't have a conscience so I could quit my job
JiffyGee
Catfish the repubs.
softspokensatan
i always said if i was just a little less moral i could start a mega church or some shit and make millions, sadly i feel like shit when i take too long of lunch so no chance here
StillNotYouTube
I sometimes wonder if any of those people don't believe in any of it at all.
dirtyward420
my 15 year old "won" a giveaway for $650 shoes, needed me to pay $60 for shipping, told him it was a scam and people are stupid.
sightlab
Make tchotchkes with dumb modern GOP talking points printed on them. Those people will buy ANYTHING with “let’s go Brandon” or “I’d butt bang my own daughter” on it.
deathandtaxes1
There’s a surprisingly large overlap between the smartest dogs and dumbest people.
rshini
and smartest bears and dumbest tourists
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I thought about this for trumpers. So easily fooled and they never read fine print. You could easily start a bunch of social medias and just say you're being persecuted for your words. Babble on about Joe, hunter, etc. Problem is, you'd definitely be doing more harm than good, and also your own mental health will be fucked.
FuzzyAdventurer
It's quite the ethical dilemma - a biiiig part of me is like, yes you poor underprivileged mf in an underdeveloped country just trying to survive, you go. Take advantage. If someone has more money than sense and is gullible enough to send you the money you need to help feed yourself and possibly your family, you go right ahead. Fuck it. People gotta learn somehow.
Jak29
Having met several people who I consider very smart, who have been victims of scammers, I'm a firm believer that everyone has a scam they are susceptible to. You're not stupid just because a bad actor knew exactly what to say to get your hopes up, then proceeded to take advantage of those hopes. Saying people deserve it for being stupid is victim blaming.
FuzzyAdventurer
Thats not what I said or how I said it but go off hun
Jak29
You said it was an ethical dilemma, I was informing you it wasn't. If someone is willing to take advantage of people because they view them as dumb or otherwise lesser that someone is a bad person. 'teaching them a life lesson" is something bad people say to convince themselves they aren't bad. That's all I wanted to come across, have a blessed night
FuzzyAdventurer
What i said was, If someone has basically no options for survival than taking advantage of a low iq, high ego person who can be convinced of something as transparent as a gorgeous Internet stranger wants to marry them but just *happens* to need a big bunch of money, I have a hard time being mad about it. "Bad person" is a judgement call that is easy to make from a place of privilege when you've never starved or seen your children starve.
Idownvotegunnuts
I said this years ago about starting my own religion.
Nic111111
So did Ron Hubbard. Also he was a famous author so people noticed. Then of course he started his own religion. People still fell for it and continue to. You can't spell cult without VULNERABLE IDIOTS.
jankeydadondc
sambaah05
The other side of it is jail though. So not that easy.
ChrisTheEarthenoid
Luckily there’s a whole group of people who actually like getting grifted, it seems to be their fetish. They’re easy to find too, just look for their signature red hat, you know the one…
ConnectToReality
Luckily, I don't have a conscience that would nag me if someone stupid gave me money. Unfortunately I don't have the charisma to convince them to do so.
Jak29
You don't need charisma either. Most scammers have scripts they rigidly stick to and simply move on to the next mark if they have to improvise too much
ChrisTheEarthenoid
Look, you don’t know charisma this stuff sells itself. Now I know you’ve all been hearing people say “Trump bucks are worthless” but that’s because those are the ****ist LIBS that don’t want you to know the TRUTH and want to destroy FREEDOM. Now it’s true that Trump Bucks may not be “Legal Tender” but that’s not what banks do. Banks pay out loans on the likelihood of being paid back with interest. Now the banks know Trump is the most stable, most wealthiest, best businessman in the world.
ChrisTheEarthenoid
So the banks know trump will always make good on his word and always pay his bills. Once this indictment is exposed as the fake witch-hunt it is and Trump is president in 2024 (and he will be) he is going to make Trump Bucks legal tender and the banks are going to increase their value x10!!! to reward his loyal supporters. That means your $1000 purchase of Trump Bucks will be worth $10 000 in 2024 BUT ONLY IF YOU BUY NOW. Cash, eTransfer, or precious metals being accepted now.
ChrisTheEarthenoid
/s just in case the riz is too strong
meauho
I occasionally think of the fact that I was on a path to become extremely wealthy but an attack of conscience caused me to not become a Preacher.
miked854
You know, if you have no remorse for large corporations: a lot of them just don't bother screening invoices for less than a few hundred dollars. Just do some digging and find the AP email of companies. Keep it under $500 and you'll probably get some hits.
ITellBadPuns
Yeah, but that's also wire fraud, a crime. Might as well go bigger than a few hundred dollars if you're going to jump into larceny.
obijan
There are now several companies who send everybody who has a domain name a bill for several hundred $ "to be included in their directory" with vague threats of "having the domain be inaccessible" .
fartser
Wouldn't work with the company I work for. They just flat out refuse to pay anyone even if they have the proper work order numbers and what not. It takes ages to get money from them unless you are another very large company.
Radix865
That just makes me think that you work for X considering they're apparently not even paying their rent...
dpidcoe
You'd be surprised at just how frequent the "just don't pay anybody" strategy gets employed, and just how long it takes for consequences to arrive. There's a certain mixture of narcissist/kleptomaniac personality that seems to just be naturally attracted to and thrive in businesses.
Goldensands
That's hardly surprising. It's why any civilised country and culture are for regulations and unions.
aRootinaTootin
Doesn’t matter if you have no remorse for corporations, it’s still stealing. One’s own moral code should guide them to understand this. And contrary to popular belief, doing something illegal is still illegal even if you don’t get caught.
Mcshmile
You're playing by a moral code that's being abused by the same people you're using the code to protect. Its time to get real and realize you're not being morally upstanding, you're just getting duped
aRootinaTootin
Other people breaking the rules that I choose to follow is not justification for me to break those rules as well. I know right from wrong and understand that I don’t need to participate in wrongdoing in order to not be taken advantage of.
Mcshmile
Your idea of right and wrong is skewed by archaic systems imposed onto you. Have you thought to ask yourself why its wrong to steal from someone who steals from you, ruminated on it and why you've not drawn a line between stealing from your neighbors and stealing from someone who deserves it? You've got a moral high ground that's really just quicksand
InfocalypseRising
Until one catches on and they send their giant legal team to ruin your life just because they can
echonite
Thats why you dont get greedy.
Ebo352
Just register the funds in an LLC and hire yourself; when they catch on, just transfer funds to you personally or to another llc
RatFromADifferentSewer
Won't that be embezzling, I mean if you're going to go down might as well keep the crime streak going
Akurei00
Didn't Google get scammed out of millions before they cracked down on the guy doing it?
Jaggededges113
Well then you get a home with a bed and running water, 3 meals a day, and exercise. Hell maybe even a cat if you get the right prison.
Caxafvujq
Can’t recommend this if you’re in the US south. You may get meals and a bed, but air conditioning is not guaranteed. You might cook.
Jaggededges113
AC isn't guaranteed in your life let alone a prison. Could be no difference.
YourHelpfulStepBro
You might get cooked. You might get cocked.
SirSexcellence
Ya. This happens a lot too.
crasemana
A friend worked an illegal call centre scamming Americans. She made serious money. Every once in a while she’d go to work and all the computers would be gone and the doors locked.
BenderSaysNeat
My oh my, how rich I'd be if I didn't have a conscience
SweetBabyJesus
My moral compass is making me broke.
NateintheNorth
Thus, billionaires. And multimillionaires.
TheDaharMaster
We could start a church down south and fleece ALL those racists. I can do a southern accent pretty well. Just spout a bunch of BS and watch the dollars roll in.
NonstopRampage
I'm a loud, hateful asshole. As long as I can mask my utter disdain for those people, I could probably help :3
Kbantar
That's the real skill, hiding contempt for the pigeons.
ath1337e
To be fair, you would also need to be very skilled at evading law enforcement since this is highly illegal. It's a very high risk/high reward endeavor even if you can internally justify what you are doing so you can sleep at night.
Kbantar
And no matter how good you are, the law will catch up eventually. Imagine sleeping with that hanging over your head every single day.
nikkococo1998
Just try politics, it's pretty much a scam
PrincessLeliana
Why would the famous movie star need 10k?
Alzeido
Theres a Stranger Things movie?
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
My mother in law was scammed out of several thousand dollars by a supposed architect in England. Loneliness can make people really stupid. The scam was that it was money to help him fly out to be with her because his money was currently tied up in investments and he wouldn't have liquid cash for a while.
Clockworkdancerobot
Scammers are good at social engineering. Push the right buttons, make them think they can buy into something.
Salmivalli
Few names comes to mind
CSephiroth
Regarding the SAG-AFTRA protest, it may be not as irrelevant as we thing.
thevortexmaster
His networth is 2 million. If that includes assets then he's not really that rich. My house is worth half that for some stupid reason
NinjaCongo
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
You might want to follow what's going on with the writer's strike. Actors and writers get paid shit. Even on hot shows.
sadurdaynight
"the fuckin studio's screwing me over! Apparently I signed a contract that's really abusive! And I can't get any of the money they owe me until I hire a lawyer to dispute it all! So, I'm really stuck right now. I really could use a friend..."
jirvin888
It's called scamming and they purposely pick targets that are susceptible, its not this girl's fault.
MrSnafleburger
Same reason Trump needs you to donate to his legal fund. Grifters grift.
manamongstyou
Why do corporations, worth billions of dollars, keep needing our tax money to subsidize them?
rbudrick
They don't. They just bought the people who make it legal.
mikeatike
Why would someone leave their husband for someone they've only chatted with online? It's called mental illness.
fallswinkingtothefloor
This strike is bitin hard
DarkwingDuc
People are beating up this woman, and maybe rightfully so, but 75 MILLION grown-ass adult Americans voted for a self-proclaimed billionaire who's been asking the same thing of his followers for years.
Kbantar
But those people are evil supporting a deranged bigot. This woman was just desperate and foolish.
DeadyBearr
Has he been in movies?
carlosaragoncota002
That question is one of the stranger things...
Ilikecreativepeople
I could fly down to you baby but I need the first class airfaire
ridureyu
WGA strikes, clearly
rbudrick
With all the talk of actors mostly making very little, it's easy to play the game of not being rich, just famous. Cuz it's often true.
azgrak1
Actors and writers are on strike because they get paid squat. Fame does not always equal a big bank account.
amskray68
Or her
toetag
The scammer played to her own victimization. Convinced her, that his "girlfriend" was controlling and locked access to his accounts. She still super dumb.
ArmathyAndTheUnfinishedBusiness2
He had told her that he needed the money cuz his gf was checking his bank statements, and he wasn't allowed to spend his money
backrideup9
I'm a wage slave and dont really need $10k, but if someone offered me $10k, I'd take it. Every. Time. People are garbage.
pxlphile
Well, bad news for poor people trying to get their hands onto celebrities during conventions. They actually DO charge money (not 10k) but 3 digit amounts are normal
thedudeman519
Why does an old hand need a banjo?
MeshHatMafia
You underestimate the stupidity and desperation of uneducated people with no common sense
Quizz25S
Reminder that 10% of the population isn't smart enough to be allowed to join the military.
professionallazyperson
Maybe it was the Lochness Monster?
GaryFreakingOak
It’s just a small bridging loan. Much of my money is tied up in fancy Hollywood investments.
InfocalypseRising
Here’s the thing about scammers: they don’t target smart people
Richter12x2
Well, in fairness they target everyone, but the dumb ones fall for it.
Xeiom
Honestly they just try to cast as wide a net as possible, usually they don't specifically target anyone they just bulk work through information and often it works.
Xeiom
Usually the imply urgency, this often creates a distraction as the person is more focused on how to make the target deadline than having a few moments to think about if its a scam.
neithermenoryou
They don't target dumb people either, they target desperate people as those are far more vulnerable to manipulation. Even smart people can easily get duped if they're caught in moments where they're at their lowest and desperately need a turn of good luck from somewhere.
Wolfmor
No no. They target dumb people. That's why there's misspellings and email addresses that look like a cat ran across their keyboard. That's the first test and if you can't see past that you're more likely to follow all the way through with whatever they have planned next
neithermenoryou
"Dumb people" are generally only that way due to bad education, and bad education is a result of poverty. Those people generally have a bad life and are highly stressed as a result, which makes critical thinking much more exhausting. Those people are in a very specific kind of desperation to get a better life, and easy to manipulate because they have neither the tools nor the energy to actually see through the manipulation. Correlation does not imply causation,plenty of smart people get scammed.
neithermenoryou
... It's also silly to assume they wouldn't fish for more than one type of person to take the bait, like people with dementia or lonely elderly people hoping desperately for some kind of social interaction. It's not helpful to the victim to blame for being manipulated when it's the other party doing the bad shit in the first place. This is like blaming woman for "dressing provocatively" all over again.
vicmango201410
Why does God need a starship?
GlenL
Part of the scam was that "he" was breaking up with his controlling GF who had taken over his finances, it's almost sad how gullible she is https://ew.com/tv/stranger-things-fan-divorces-husband-catfished-fake-dacre-montgomery/
ArkinaRunner
This poor poor girl, anyone with the internet could have told her his character would return in the episode called dear Billy. But she probably wanted to believe so badly to begin with. Like the guy who thought he was in a relationship with Katy Perry.
Tom40
Why does god need a starship?
ballsoutflyer
Such an underrated comment. From an underrated movie.
RoloTonyBrown
https://i.imgur.com/RijQdJQ
CharlesEntertainmentCheese
Thank you, came here for exactly this
Ryanator50
We gotta get a lower decks episode that makes that weird creature look like a catfish scheme. And maybe explain that that, Apollo, Trevellain, and the guy who took away faces were all Qs.
Sumdumguy42
Why would a billionaire with their own plane need donations for their legal battle?
ItsaMeFranman
Why do kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
Why would a corporation need government subsidies while screaming that welfare are handouts?
AnythingMuchShorter
My employer is doing a hiring freeze, stopping all travel, and reducing bonuses because of their financials. They aren't in the red, they didn't loose money. They made 92 billion last year. But that's down 5% so they're going to act like they're bleeding money and near bankrupt. Even though it's in part because they're a business that did really well during the pandemic. So basically they're acting poor because they got a huge bonus the past 3 years.
ThatShiftyMonkey
Same. My employer just had a self-congratulatory meeting to announce we hit the 5B mark and lay out our plan to march toward 10B. Aaaaand also announce that we are freezing our training/meeting budgets, cutting travel, and tightening belts.
FukcTedCruz
PhurbuMukpodom
pareidoliaperson
Scammers gotta scam.
Talligan
Why do insanely profitable oil companies need government subsidies
Micro2112
Apples to Cheetos there. One person is a famous actor, the other is not a billionaire
Brimfire
Yeah he is! He owns like $200 million in real estate and $800 million in name recognition! Haven't you seen his assets statements?! /s
chillpigeon
Why does RadioShack ask for your phone number when you buy batteries?
Howmuchistoomuchspam
Why do Wal-Mart employees need government assistants programs.
Backstreetdriver
Weirdly, it's for the exact same reason! Corporate greed, and the late stage capitalism that allows for it to thrive! Thank God the American dream is alive and well in every food bank in America
janforhire
Because even if they got paid $15/hour, that’s still $30k a year and a average housing in the US (before utilities) is $2k/month. That plus education is too expensive for most and employers aren’t hiring as much as they say they are
Exdeath5000
I had a co-worker put in their 2 weeks notice because they won the lottery. It was amazing, everyone excited for her, until the details came out that she was contacted via email, and the lottery commission was asking for $1,500 to process her prize. She sent the money, and a few weeks later came back asking for her job back. She wouldn't listen to any of us
brownribbon
What do you mean “she wouldn’t listen to any of us”?
Exdeath5000
We were telling her it was a scam once we heard the details about the email etc
afambelafonte
I'm so paranoid that even if I legitimately won the lottery and had the money in the bank I probably still wouldn't quit my job on the assumption that nothing that good happens in real life so it must be a scam.
PhurbuMukpodom
Kbantar
Waiting for the other shoe to drop. In the U.S., that would be a loved one with an expensive medical issue.
SkamanSam
I try to have no expectations for anything. This means i count my chickens after they hatched and dont keep them all in the same basket. It means when nice things happen, they are so much nicer. When bad things happen, at least I'm not disappointed.
Affray
The Chad Kroeger mentality. If you go into everything expecting nothing then everything you get is a bonus.
doppelfisch
I knew a guy that sadly fell for the Nigerian prince scam not once, but twice.
40yearoldnerding
I’ve got a bridge I need to sell if he’s interested
doppelfisch
richardstinks
This girl isn't dumb, she was desperate... So desperate for a dream that she abandoned common sense. Which was dumb.
in70x
Yea I kinda feel bad she is probably mentally Ill I’ll bet
CallsYouATosser
Dumb is as dumb does.
melmboundanddown
Desperately dumb
Sfingks
Desperate and dumb aren't incompatible. She was desperate AND dumb. You would need to be really dumb to leave your husband and lose $10k for someone that you haven't confirmed the identity of.
amb1021
She sounds like a complete moron.
atomfixes101
Fuck her. Cheating ho got what she deserved
Strangeboke
So desperate that she had a husband and son and 10k to send. Crime is bad and all but you can't con an honest man/woman.
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
Why are we hearing about it? Who broke the story? Her? Was she desperate to be humiliated in front of the whole planet?
Nic111111
Vulnerable people will grasp at straws.
TyrannusEquus
As will fools
MithridateEupator
Umm no. She's dumb. She gave 10k to cheat on her husband because she thought movie stars contacted random people on the internet for hookups. That's dumb.
MadamPuddifoot
It's not dumb than that, she was convinced he loved her.
TheHappyHermit
imagine being the husband. knowing she'd drop you in a heartbeat for someone else.
dingoflickums
Weeeelllll if her defense have you seen that guy?
WilliamHuskerAdama
Dodged a bullet
RobBobertyYT
Married with a kid, more like got shot and in the hospital.
myrealnames
He should be able to get full custody, without visitation based on the story above. She is clearly not a fit parent.
Badprenup
Doesn’t "dodged a bullet" usually only apply if they wave massive red flags *before* you get emotionally/otherwise invested with a person? It's more like the husband took an entire magazine from an M16 in this case.
HelloThere1812
And since they had kids together, he also ate a grenade.
NonstopRampage
She also abandoned her husband.
blisfulloblivion
Makes you wonder what their relationship was like. Was it good, boring, toxic, abusive? If the relationship was shit it would be more understandable, but some people are just star crazy. We have no idea
TorrentialUpPour
For most cheaters it's thrill seeking or simple boredom. Abuse tends to create different priorities other than seeking an outside relationship.
tongia
And son.
Dubs1
She didn't. Knowing the court system (and the artical) shes a single mom while the father have to pay like 20% of there checks
jimzakany
Yeah. She's garbage.
elevatediron
I feel bad for the husband if he wasn't happy to be rid of her dumb ass
TorrentialUpPour
I'm sure he wishes it hadn't cost him $10k though. Because if she's that gullible I doubt she was the one bringing home the majority of the income.
PiercedViking
This story is more sad than anything else.
kadaeux
Having worked in IT and Banking both, most people would be disturbed at how many of the so called 'smart' people, business owners, wealthy entrepreneurs etc fall for Romance scams. So, was she dumb? In this yes. It doesn't mean she's dumb in everything. Was the guy I knew who lost 81k to his 'Canadian Girlfriend' dumb? In this... yes. In other things? No. He didn't have that sort of scratch laying about via inheritance, poor fuck actually earned it fair and square.
FallenJester
Stupid is as stupid does?
Kbantar
Everyone is the fool sometimes. Only a few are fools 24/7.
TorrentialUpPour
Working hard enough to be successful often means sacrificing social growth and experience. When social interaction comes to them, they tend to not look a gift horse in the mouth.
kadaeux
*ALWAYS look the gift horse in the mouth. There's a whole story about why involving Troy!!!*
kadaeux
The thing with romance scams isn't that you need a dumb mark. It's that you need a mark so fucking lonely that their loneliness and sheer hope for human contact overrules their common sense and business smarts.
richardstinks
Precisely!
WilliamHuskerAdama
Which is why tikthotting is so lucrative.
kadaeux
OnlyFans showed pretty women they could make pornstar money without actually doing full on porn.
paintbullits
First time in a while that is a good thing I'm not well off.
HonHomes
Oh, don't worry. You can still be rolled for everything you own. Actually, disregard that. I'm hot, single and really really into you. We should chat. Have I mentioned that I'm your preferred gender and am very attracted to you? Also, I'm sure I can get a really awesome job near you, there's just no-one hiring near me. If you can spot me some money for the plane ticket I can repay you with either money or ... y'know ... or *both* mmmmhhhmmmm!