Jun 17, 2016 6:42 AM
CanTunaPiano
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2QevndGLg
sterlingakabob
http://www.ithinkwell.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/correlation-does-not-imply-causation.png
9point3x62
We see you there North Korea
AR10
Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punishable by death: Yemen, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,Afghanistan
seros
Corrolation does not imply causation.
jackofalleves
i mean, those two MIGHT be related, japan does have a higher than average suicide rate
022981
FYI Hillary accepts money from the Saudis and UAE
xanes
What a dumb and useless comment. The US has been trading with SA and UAE for decades.
thepenisqueen
Just because a bill gets signed doesn't mean the population will be accepting of it.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
True, but let's be honest: In most cases anti-gay legislature is used to appease already reactionary demographics.
PokoOnoandtheJamJams
Is this surprising to anyone though?
Mushroombadger
Some people refuse to admit Islam has problems and not just the so called radical one.
TragedyAtSummerhall
Those are the same people who blame the west for Orlando instead of Islam due to political correctness. As a gay man, it disgusts me.
Lorilee2
People raised in predominantly Islamic nations are predominantly anti-gay. People raised in arctic countries tend to ski more. Hm.
Nachman
Haha look at israel. The only green dot in there haha so tiny
Rogahar
I know "Correlation is not causation" but sometimes you have to admit it might be just a little bit.
Captainpotaytorz
"We practice islam peacefully". Yeah, bullshit. The fact that people oppress others based off of stupid ass fairy tails pisses me off.
lindydanny
Wait, were we debating that Islam is anti-LGBT?
RalphBrandsma
As a red green colorblind guy,
DicksMcChuggins
I'm colorblind so I see no correlation.
lyinglions
Surprisingly the country of Jordan is okay with gay relationships. There's no punishment for it.
DinkyDamn
The map is a lie.. Swedistan is 99% muslim!
Lareon87
The main difference is that in muslim countries religion is strictly bound to the law system (Shari'a), while is not so critical in (1/2)
christian ones. Pure christians are as much homophobic as their muslim counterparts. Luckily secularism is common in this world (2/2)
Vedar
That's just not true. A lot of Christians, entire churches even publicly accept gays. Search the world and find me 1 gay friendly mosque...
Soulwindow
Imma call bullshit, Ghana is one of, if not the most anti gay countries, and they're Christians.
Chimpmanzee1st
http://brilliantmaps.com/simple-africa-relgions/ It's a mix
Popchipsandabar
Who said they weren't? The colours indicate percentage of Muslims in the country.
Crecy
There aren't years either map. Could be from 2002, for all we know.
11% of the population is traditionally religious, 56.2% are Christian and 32,8% of the total are Muslim.
CitizenDickbag
Several of the African countries that are strongly anti-gay are predominantly Christian. Uganda is a prime example.
Uganda is one of the poorest nations in the world. They have to blame something.
Supuhbudduh
I'm Muslim and my best friend is gay, my other friend was too, my other friend is transgender, and my other friend is lesbian. Soooooooo....
caboops
You aren't very devout. But that's great.
I'm not a fanatic but I do go to mosque and I do follow other parts of the religion, I just also know what does and doesn't work in society
Do the others in your mosque know about your friends? I'm curious as to how they react.
Yea they do, obviously the really old people have their opinions but the younger ones don't care. But a majority of old people are like that
Awesome, do you think the majority of young Muslims are taking on a more contemporary worldview?
bet you have to keep that quiet from your family huh...
Lol no, both my parents are well aware of it.
Butane9000
Correlation doesn't always equal causation but that's pretty damming.
lezbro
Australia doesn't have marriage equality laws, adoption laws and spousal rights are fucked. We are definitely not the most loving place
tanna47
I was wondering whether you could please explain to me what adoption laws and spousal rights specifically were?
If the child is born to one parent, they are the legal guardian. The donor is also the legal guardian, above the co-parent of same sex.
Pretty disheartening, as someone engaged to another woman. We want to have a family soon, but I'm not willing under these laws.
Co-parent may be denied legal & financial support and recognition.
At least they're not actively persecuting them. Sadly, in this context that already counts as progress.
Clayless
Russia is, yet it's grey on this map and not red.
lesbianhamlet
Homophobia in Africa is deeply linked to US evangelicals. Not to say that it didn't exist before, but boy did we help it along.
Sairvous
Especially in uganda. That country is all kinds of fucked
pantsinabucket
Homophobia was already an issue. Evangelical missionaries in Sahelian (from west to east north central) Africa only play on that to convert.
http://brilliantmaps.com/simple-africa-relgions/ Maybe in the south and west, however the east and north are heavily Islam influenced.
Geelsmark
Soo, it's an african issue, not a islam issue - thank you for clarifying it!
FizzleWizzle
Imgur right now: "MUSLIMS ARE PEFECT!!! AHHH RUSSIA BE GRAY!!! AHHH AFRICAN CHRISTIANS SUCK!!! AHHH USA IS RACIST! FUCK TRUMP!"
Zyntherius
Still is.
Crimpwithyourthumb
As a color blind person... Fuck your map
TechProJoe
seconded
beyondblack
Well I'm from Romania and you marked that as green. Right now they're thinking of putting male-female marriage (only) in the constitution.
ShearWind
With so many religious loonies around here, I'm convinced it's gonna happen officially, soon.
thisisntreal
Thinking of, not currently signing
Well that's an argument over what marriage means, I don't see why countries can't have that rule but still be accepting of gays.
SaltyInternetPirate
Bulgarian here. It's been defined as "man and woman" in our post-communism constitution since it was made in 1991, but not before that.
aqnavi
Well, obviously we saw that one coming, lol.
avidatheist
It's talking specifically about votes in a UN resolution.
hawkeye1987
Same with Poland:(
nahemah
You didn't mention it's already illegal according to the Civil Code...so they don't only want to be stupid, they want to show it
MorganDryblood
Doesn't have to be a marriage as term.If it is accepted as union with another same sex person is good enough.I think in Germany is the same.
NIC0LANGEL0
As a Romanian, we're red as fuck on this map.
As a fellow national, yes.
selfdefenseagainstfreshfruit
As a Dominican so are we. This seems conveniently drawn up
It's about policy being signed, not opinion of the general populance
crazyPilot
Why, did Romania signed anti-gay resolutions?
So male-female marriage is anti-gay? Also, it's just a petition!
shrivelledjohnson
restricting it to only male-female marriage is.
0110000101110110
why the downvotes?
pawesomeopossum
When it explicitly prevents same sex marriage, then yes.
Username69420
Duh, if you're straight it automatically means you hate everyone that isn't exactly like you. If you're white and straight then God help you
Raydeeo
Oh would you look at that. Someone posts false statistic to promote their racist propaganda. That have never happened before..
PersonalityFire
To all of those who are quick to criticize the conflation of racism and Islamophobia, the vast majority of Muslims are non-white- It matters
Studoku
Which statistics were false, and can you source the "real" stats for us?
Selerox
As much as I understand what you're saying, I don't see anything there that's false.
What statistic was false? https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
Zak57TR
Yes it have.
reiseri
islam isnt a race you retard
My bad. Didn't have language on my side. Learnt the word "xeniophobia" today though! Sorry if I offended you!
highfunctioning
Islam isn't a race, actually, racially speaking, muslims are extremely diverse.
Oh, sorry yeah you're right. What's the English word you'd use? In Sweden we have "stranger hostility" (roughly translated) to describe it
SarcasticFinn
I thought you might be a swede.
dietderpsy
Xenophobia but that goes beyond race, it is fear of any outsiders. You can have a xenophobic cult within a county for example.
Stinthedog
Xenophobia but generally racism is a blanket term that only pedants will complain about.
Thekingofbeans
Xenophobia means fear of foreigners.
Perfect! Thanks!
GoldCoastGuy
Ummm that map is quite wrong. Romania and russia arnt pro gay. Australia has no legal recognition of gay couples.
No it's not. https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
KimKumdashian
Australia, I love you, but FFS.
Howdoiturnthison
"No legal recognition" is bullshit. Same rights as any couple co-habitating for 6 months plus.
abbrevi9
I'm not sure that they do. Either that, or defacto couples don't have the same rights as married ones, either/or.
SpeaksfluentScreaming
Nope, KRudd govt changed it in '07. Defacto couples, gay or straight are legally viewed the same as married in every way but name.
fufuwewe
Russia isn't included you ding dong, it's not even colored.
Exactly it would bake that data look very different if they finished their coloring in.
nottitanium
Australia has it now!! Go us!
I think it's specifically about whether they signed certain resolutions though, not legal representation of same sex couples.
kuj0071
We arent anti gay either, there are laws against gay propaganda,but there are no laws punishing gay people.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I thought Russia was in gray, which is neither for or against.
GrandmaSlappy
No it just means null data, no resolution signed
Ah... So the person I commented to was still wrong? Win!
humbook
Russia is quite against... remember the whole olympics debaucle
JupiterMiningCorpRep
But it's not illegal to be gay is it?
Deathbyvodka
You are correct
Pretty much, yeah. You can't be gay in public or around children.
TemplisDragonaurs
You can be gay, you just can't openly express it and tell everyone that it is ok.
Pretty much is. Ban on its promotion, propaganda, display. High level of kinda approved violence against. Google 'LGBT rights in Russia'
I think there is a bit of a difference between how you legally define gay couples and what they do to gays in the muslim countries.
pro gay meaning that they wont throw you off a building for being gay... the culture could still see it as wrong.
BlasserDuennerJunge
This map is BS... I'm from Poland, living in Germany. Try to be gay in the eastern mostly catholic parts of Europe and come back again.
AntoniusBlock33
The title states that the map only shows who supported a specific UN-Bill. it doesn't try to show how convenient life for LBGT people
I bet you wouldn't be beheaded or thrown off a building.
BattloidKouji
Is that how low the bar is set? "you get to live, so shut up."?
I'm saying that it not even close to the level of persecution the community gets elsewhere.
That doesn't make it any better...
It does you fucking walnut. Would you rather be dead or have a few people angry with you? They aren't the same.
Those don't correlate nearly as well as you'd like them too... also, signing a flowery declaration and actually acting on it are very (1)
different things. We definitely don't act like we care about human rights for LGBT people here in the states. (2)
That's not the message being pushed. The message is that Muslim dominated countries do not support LGBT rights. I agree that the west isn't
perfect, but in terms of cultural/social progressiveness we're far more superior to Islamic countries. That is the objective truth.
I don't disagree with that, but signing a flower document at the UN doesn't necessarily correspond with real treatment back home.
As a gay person, I know. That's not the point of the post, though. It's to show that there is a correlation between homophobia and Islam.
DrunkAnna
What was this supposed anti-gay resolution?
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ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
http://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
This doesn't say anything about an anti-gay resolution.
The "anti-gay resolution" is the no for the resolution here. That's really not that hard to get.
sterlingakabob
http://www.ithinkwell.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/correlation-does-not-imply-causation.png
9point3x62
We see you there North Korea
AR10
Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punishable by death: Yemen, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,Afghanistan
seros
jackofalleves
i mean, those two MIGHT be related, japan does have a higher than average suicide rate
022981
FYI Hillary accepts money from the Saudis and UAE
xanes
What a dumb and useless comment. The US has been trading with SA and UAE for decades.
thepenisqueen
Just because a bill gets signed doesn't mean the population will be accepting of it.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
True, but let's be honest: In most cases anti-gay legislature is used to appease already reactionary demographics.
PokoOnoandtheJamJams
Is this surprising to anyone though?
Mushroombadger
Some people refuse to admit Islam has problems and not just the so called radical one.
TragedyAtSummerhall
Those are the same people who blame the west for Orlando instead of Islam due to political correctness. As a gay man, it disgusts me.
Lorilee2
People raised in predominantly Islamic nations are predominantly anti-gay. People raised in arctic countries tend to ski more. Hm.
Nachman
Haha look at israel. The only green dot in there haha
so tiny
Rogahar
I know "Correlation is not causation" but sometimes you have to admit it might be just a little bit.
Captainpotaytorz
"We practice islam peacefully". Yeah, bullshit. The fact that people oppress others based off of stupid ass fairy tails pisses me off.
lindydanny
Wait, were we debating that Islam is anti-LGBT?
RalphBrandsma
As a red green colorblind guy,
DicksMcChuggins
I'm colorblind so I see no correlation.
lyinglions
Surprisingly the country of Jordan is okay with gay relationships. There's no punishment for it.
DinkyDamn
The map is a lie.. Swedistan is 99% muslim!
Lareon87
The main difference is that in muslim countries religion is strictly bound to the law system (Shari'a), while is not so critical in (1/2)
Lareon87
christian ones. Pure christians are as much homophobic as their muslim counterparts. Luckily secularism is common in this world (2/2)
Vedar
That's just not true. A lot of Christians, entire churches even publicly accept gays. Search the world and find me 1 gay friendly mosque...
Soulwindow
Imma call bullshit, Ghana is one of, if not the most anti gay countries, and they're Christians.
Chimpmanzee1st
http://brilliantmaps.com/simple-africa-relgions/ It's a mix
Popchipsandabar
Who said they weren't? The colours indicate percentage of Muslims in the country.
Crecy
There aren't years either map. Could be from 2002, for all we know.
AR10
11% of the population is traditionally religious, 56.2% are Christian and 32,8% of the total are Muslim.
CitizenDickbag
Several of the African countries that are strongly anti-gay are predominantly Christian. Uganda is a prime example.
AR10
Uganda is one of the poorest nations in the world. They have to blame something.
Supuhbudduh
I'm Muslim and my best friend is gay, my other friend was too, my other friend is transgender, and my other friend is lesbian. Soooooooo....
caboops
You aren't very devout. But that's great.
Supuhbudduh
I'm not a fanatic but I do go to mosque and I do follow other parts of the religion, I just also know what does and doesn't work in society
caboops
Do the others in your mosque know about your friends? I'm curious as to how they react.
Supuhbudduh
Yea they do, obviously the really old people have their opinions but the younger ones don't care. But a majority of old people are like that
caboops
Awesome, do you think the majority of young Muslims are taking on a more contemporary worldview?
Vedar
bet you have to keep that quiet from your family huh...
Supuhbudduh
Lol no, both my parents are well aware of it.
Butane9000
Correlation doesn't always equal causation but that's pretty damming.
lezbro
Australia doesn't have marriage equality laws, adoption laws and spousal rights are fucked. We are definitely not the most loving place
tanna47
I was wondering whether you could please explain to me what adoption laws and spousal rights specifically were?
lezbro
If the child is born to one parent, they are the legal guardian. The donor is also the legal guardian, above the co-parent of same sex.
lezbro
Pretty disheartening, as someone engaged to another woman. We want to have a family soon, but I'm not willing under these laws.
lezbro
Co-parent may be denied legal & financial support and recognition.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
At least they're not actively persecuting them. Sadly, in this context that already counts as progress.
Clayless
Russia is, yet it's grey on this map and not red.
lesbianhamlet
Homophobia in Africa is deeply linked to US evangelicals. Not to say that it didn't exist before, but boy did we help it along.
Sairvous
Especially in uganda. That country is all kinds of fucked
pantsinabucket
Homophobia was already an issue. Evangelical missionaries in Sahelian (from west to east north central) Africa only play on that to convert.
Chimpmanzee1st
http://brilliantmaps.com/simple-africa-relgions/ Maybe in the south and west, however the east and north are heavily Islam influenced.
Geelsmark
Soo, it's an african issue, not a islam issue - thank you for clarifying it!
FizzleWizzle
Imgur right now: "MUSLIMS ARE PEFECT!!! AHHH RUSSIA BE GRAY!!! AHHH AFRICAN CHRISTIANS SUCK!!! AHHH USA IS RACIST! FUCK TRUMP!"
Zyntherius
Still is.
Crimpwithyourthumb
As a color blind person... Fuck your map
TechProJoe
seconded
beyondblack
Well I'm from Romania and you marked that as green. Right now they're thinking of putting male-female marriage (only) in the constitution.
ShearWind
With so many religious loonies around here, I'm convinced it's gonna happen officially, soon.
thisisntreal
Thinking of, not currently signing
Vedar
Well that's an argument over what marriage means, I don't see why countries can't have that rule but still be accepting of gays.
SaltyInternetPirate
Bulgarian here. It's been defined as "man and woman" in our post-communism constitution since it was made in 1991, but not before that.
aqnavi
Well, obviously we saw that one coming, lol.
avidatheist
It's talking specifically about votes in a UN resolution.
hawkeye1987
Same with Poland:(
nahemah
You didn't mention it's already illegal according to the Civil Code...so they don't only want to be stupid, they want to show it
MorganDryblood
Doesn't have to be a marriage as term.If it is accepted as union with another same sex person is good enough.I think in Germany is the same.
NIC0LANGEL0
As a Romanian, we're red as fuck on this map.
ShearWind
As a fellow national, yes.
selfdefenseagainstfreshfruit
As a Dominican so are we. This seems conveniently drawn up
Chimpmanzee1st
It's about policy being signed, not opinion of the general populance
crazyPilot
Why, did Romania signed anti-gay resolutions?
crazyPilot
So male-female marriage is anti-gay? Also, it's just a petition!
shrivelledjohnson
restricting it to only male-female marriage is.
0110000101110110
why the downvotes?
pawesomeopossum
When it explicitly prevents same sex marriage, then yes.
Username69420
Duh, if you're straight it automatically means you hate everyone that isn't exactly like you. If you're white and straight then God help you
Raydeeo
Oh would you look at that. Someone posts false statistic to promote their racist propaganda. That have never happened before..
PersonalityFire
To all of those who are quick to criticize the conflation of racism and Islamophobia, the vast majority of Muslims are non-white- It matters
Studoku
Which statistics were false, and can you source the "real" stats for us?
Selerox
As much as I understand what you're saying, I don't see anything there that's false.
avidatheist
What statistic was false? https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
Zak57TR
Yes it have.
reiseri
islam isnt a race you retard
Raydeeo
My bad. Didn't have language on my side. Learnt the word "xeniophobia" today though! Sorry if I offended you!
highfunctioning
Islam isn't a race, actually, racially speaking, muslims are extremely diverse.
Raydeeo
Oh, sorry yeah you're right. What's the English word you'd use? In Sweden we have "stranger hostility" (roughly translated) to describe it
SarcasticFinn
I thought you might be a swede.
dietderpsy
Xenophobia but that goes beyond race, it is fear of any outsiders. You can have a xenophobic cult within a county for example.
Stinthedog
Xenophobia but generally racism is a blanket term that only pedants will complain about.
Thekingofbeans
Xenophobia means fear of foreigners.
Raydeeo
Perfect! Thanks!
GoldCoastGuy
Ummm that map is quite wrong. Romania and russia arnt pro gay. Australia has no legal recognition of gay couples.
avidatheist
No it's not. https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
KimKumdashian
Australia, I love you, but FFS.
Howdoiturnthison
"No legal recognition" is bullshit. Same rights as any couple co-habitating for 6 months plus.
abbrevi9
I'm not sure that they do. Either that, or defacto couples don't have the same rights as married ones, either/or.
SpeaksfluentScreaming
Nope, KRudd govt changed it in '07. Defacto couples, gay or straight are legally viewed the same as married in every way but name.
fufuwewe
Russia isn't included you ding dong, it's not even colored.
GoldCoastGuy
Exactly it would bake that data look very different if they finished their coloring in.
nottitanium
Australia has it now!! Go us!
highfunctioning
I think it's specifically about whether they signed certain resolutions though, not legal representation of same sex couples.
kuj0071
We arent anti gay either, there are laws against gay propaganda,but there are no laws punishing gay people.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I thought Russia was in gray, which is neither for or against.
GrandmaSlappy
No it just means null data, no resolution signed
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Ah... So the person I commented to was still wrong? Win!
humbook
Russia is quite against... remember the whole olympics debaucle
JupiterMiningCorpRep
But it's not illegal to be gay is it?
Deathbyvodka
You are correct
Clayless
Pretty much, yeah. You can't be gay in public or around children.
TemplisDragonaurs
You can be gay, you just can't openly express it and tell everyone that it is ok.
humbook
Pretty much is. Ban on its promotion, propaganda, display. High level of kinda approved violence against. Google 'LGBT rights in Russia'
Vedar
I think there is a bit of a difference between how you legally define gay couples and what they do to gays in the muslim countries.
0110000101110110
pro gay meaning that they wont throw you off a building for being gay... the culture could still see it as wrong.
BlasserDuennerJunge
This map is BS... I'm from Poland, living in Germany. Try to be gay in the eastern mostly catholic parts of Europe and come back again.
avidatheist
No it's not. https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
AntoniusBlock33
The title states that the map only shows who supported a specific UN-Bill. it doesn't try to show how convenient life for LBGT people
caboops
I bet you wouldn't be beheaded or thrown off a building.
BattloidKouji
Is that how low the bar is set? "you get to live, so shut up."?
caboops
I'm saying that it not even close to the level of persecution the community gets elsewhere.
BattloidKouji
That doesn't make it any better...
caboops
It does you fucking walnut. Would you rather be dead or have a few people angry with you? They aren't the same.
BattloidKouji
Those don't correlate nearly as well as you'd like them too... also, signing a flowery declaration and actually acting on it are very (1)
BattloidKouji
different things. We definitely don't act like we care about human rights for LGBT people here in the states. (2)
TragedyAtSummerhall
That's not the message being pushed. The message is that Muslim dominated countries do not support LGBT rights. I agree that the west isn't
TragedyAtSummerhall
perfect, but in terms of cultural/social progressiveness we're far more superior to Islamic countries. That is the objective truth.
BattloidKouji
I don't disagree with that, but signing a flower document at the UN doesn't necessarily correspond with real treatment back home.
TragedyAtSummerhall
As a gay person, I know. That's not the point of the post, though. It's to show that there is a correlation between homophobia and Islam.
DrunkAnna
What was this supposed anti-gay resolution?
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ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
http://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
avidatheist
https://www.outrightinternational.org/content/un-human-rights-council-votes-support-lgbt-rights
DrunkAnna
This doesn't say anything about an anti-gay resolution.
avidatheist
The "anti-gay resolution" is the no for the resolution here. That's really not that hard to get.