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TheBeardedBanditt
No good kid, desecrates a ww2 vets life and sets him on fire, he earned that prison sentence,
HesTakingRoyOffTheGrid
Why 2nd degree murder? Why? That should be minimum life in prison.
hkim1326
Should be a death sentence actually
ecodude
The degrees don't really change the severity of crime. They're basically categorization of what took place and why.
Yetiphobia
What are you talking about? Murder with malice aforethought carries a more severe penalty than a crime of passion in the UK system etc.
glassweaver
TL;DR, worthless hood rat runs around with gas looking to arson, 'cause why not?! (/s). Settles on the old guy that rubs it wrong instead.
WorthlessPrayers
RIP Paul Monchnik, you did not deserve this, and thank you for fighting for our freedom.
ToughTurtle
I had to re-read what he did like ten times cause I thought it was some fucked up joke or something. What a piece of shit
thanekrois
String the fucker up and launch and hornets nest at him.
ilikegirlsthatwearabercrombieandfitch
I have a box of hornets.
thanekrois
Give us the tools and we will finish the job.
FranxNBeans
Why did he do it? Not that there could possibly be a good reason, I'm just curious as to what was his motivation.
dontcallmeplath
What. What. What. What. What. How. Why. This hurts so much. How. I don't comprehend what I'm reading. Why.
lenomdeplume
For the complete story, Google: Colin Flaherty, Black teen kills old white neighbor sets him on fire in Detroit
pickupallyourfloorbags
:( I'm crying, that poor poor man
IvanTheTesticleVIII
They do the same thing all the time in his ancestral homelands
clutch2999
This is why we need to make fire illegal
SheTurnedMeIntoANewtButIGotBetter
First make fire illegal, next, the wheel!
MemeStealingSkeleton
Ban assault fires!
jumbosmooth
Ban gasoline and matches.
MyNameIsJesusAndIStealHubcapsFromCars
many fires serve valuable purposes though. only combat fires pose real threats to the public. maybe we could just ban those.
halborski
God damn Prometheus. Always gotta fix his mistakes.
IronicUsername
"YES! Someone was murdered by something other than a gun! Points for my agenda!"
xarmypopo
Lol. Pleae dont. Somebody on tumblr will take your recomendation seriously and start a petition or something.
Igotbannedforspammingthatstupidparrot
Next thing you know they will want to ban dihydrogen monoxide for causing so many deaths
LarrWhy
Cut off his feet and drop him in the ocean
Thismuchistrue
I believe an "eye for an eye" would be appropriate in this case.
Sprixxen
This and the people thinking raping rapists is just is what makes our prisons in the US so ineffective. That "punishment" helps no one.
IRespondWithSpongebobGifsUsually
Then count me as blind from now on because that piece of shit deserves a life of pain
asmallcat
No it wouldn't. It never is. That's why criminal justice is hard. A very long prison sentence, which he got, is what's appropriate.
pantstastrophy
You're very reasonable. I'll upvote before you get downvoted by vigilantes
TheBlackVan
Unfortunately, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
SexyLadyStorage
I love this quote. This is not a bad reply, Imgur is just full of people who think we should still live in the wild west.
TGWeaver
Imgur's raw bloodthirstiness really shines when a quote from fucking Ghandi becomes your most downvoted comment of all time.
Zephon
didnt ghandi think black people were inferior?
TGWeaver
Does that invalidate his point about retributive "justice"? They're not even related.
Zephon
Hitler did have some good points as well now that i think about it
Evulsockmonkey
Who buys $.50 of gasoline and a lighter. I know it's Detroit, but call the fucking cops. Someone's about to commit arson
Evulsockmonkey
Or don't sell someone gas in a big gulp
HeatherWhatever
I'd like to know how buying the gas doesn't count as "pre-meditated"
IronicUsername
If the cops were called every time someone bought items that seemed suspicious together (and if they responded), this would be literally [1]
IronicUsername
all the cops do. Unless the cops happened to show up during the commission of the crime, what could they even do? "Hey, are you going [2]
IronicUsername
going to commit arson with that?" "No." "Ok then." [3]
TheGhostofElizabethShue
LemonFanta
I buy that much for my lawn mower.
bntli
My great uncle was in the 101st, he was drunk and his wife pushed him down the stairs. That's how he died.
ForTheLoveOfBoobies
....ok
lenomdeplume
There is no topic so serious that posters will refrain from moronic jokes.
DocB630
That's terrible, and I'm sincerely sorry to hear stories like this... But as a former paratrooper: he shoulda just done a PLF.
bntli
lol, by all accounts it was deserved death. he was a really bad alcoholic and a really mean drunk
flowseeker
I guess he was in the 101st... Airborne Division...
bntli
Yeah, you know, the famous one
IHatePuns
Shit, dude
jumbosmooth
Another great reason to stay far away from Detroit.
NotFarEnough
Honestly shit this crazy and random could happen almost anywhere
ThatQuietlySmirking
Yes, because everyone in Detroit acts like this. Speaking on behalf of Detroit, fuck you.
ishouldchangethis
dumb comment
jumbosmooth
Dumb username
ishouldchangethis
dumb reply
EcstaticBagel
CaptainBumOut
Why did he do it?
Dargan
Best thing I can find http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2016/09/30/elderly-man-death/91312766/ Motivation is unknown
lenomdeplume
For the complete story, Google: Colin Flaherty, Black teen kills old white neighbor sets him on fire in Detroit
ShakeyGraves
Why did he do this?
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Dargan
Best thing I can find http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2016/09/30/elderly-man-death/91312766/ Motivation is unknown
lenomdeplume
For the complete story, Google: Colin Flaherty, Black teen kills old white neighbor sets him on fire in Detroit
dtlol
Only 30-60 years?
snakeoilsalesman
Pleaded guilty to 2nd degree. Not premeditated.
HAHA5555
Should have been put to death.
MrSkar
Probably a plea bargain. You save the court's time and taxpayer money, an you'll get 30-60 years instead of a life sentence.
SoundFuture
He's fortunate he lived in a state without the death penalty. My state would kill you back for that kind of thing.
Baja2185
You live in one of the rational states then
obamanation722
This is an example of what qualifies for the death penalty. Sorry plain and simple
MapToTheCrunch
Thing is, if you'd tell that man that decades later, a future generation he fought to protect would do that to him. He'd still serve.
emberbronte
people almost never act the same in front of family as they do in public. I am no different.
ThoughtfulTortuga
True, but most of us don't go around lighting people on fire
emberbronte
Define most *hides gasonline and lighter*
MemeStealingSkeleton
*nervous laughter* yeah um totally
Surrealle
Okay but he actually did this and they're still defending him. That's the fucked up part
emberbronte
oh i'm not justifying this, i'm just saying that this happens.
dubowski
Yep and as family its always hard to accept that your child is a monster
brassknucklenerd
E.g. the percentage of my time spent masturbating is, like, almost 2000% more when I'm not in front of my family.
emberbronte
Thank go thought I was the only one.
lenomdeplume
His family knew he is a murderous thug. That's why they threw him out. He had just moved next door to Vic, with another family member (GM).
mountainofpuppies
I act the same way in front of everyone, and the same way drunk/sober.. No one thinks I'm ever drunk and I fight with my family a lot
emberbronte
"almost never" there are exceptions to every rule, most of my family and friend think i am a pot head, I have never smoked anything.
baitdog
Someone needs to kill him.
NotNotDeadpool
An appeal? How do you appeal when he said he's guilty?
edgeofadhesion
How is setting someone on fire only second degree murder? I feel like that takes planning.
MrSkar
Plea bargain, that's how.
Shellzie2010
Yeah, the article stated he went out and bought the gasoline
OnyZ
Apparently he beat him to death, THEN tried to burn away the evidence. Couldn't find a motive or anything, though.
SelkieSirenSong
Someone should beat him and light him on fire. Hopefully at least his ass burns in prison.
Dargan
As much as I agree with you, prison rape shouldn't be joked about or seen lightheartedly. Terrible human or no, its still rape right?
SelkieSirenSong
It is still rape, you are correct. TBH, I'm sure he would prefer that to being lit on fire literally which is what he actually deserves.
ImgurBackup
If that were my grandpa, I'd try to post the kids bail, just so I could get a shot at him before he goes to jail.
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charliegrs
Yes because they are a bunch of model citizens that would find this act deplorable...
finninthejakesuit
Burning someone alive is a special kind of horrible. That's an evil I can't imagine coming back from. -
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
Id cut this kids fuckin kneecaps off
mommylupul
No. That is far too quick and painless. He deserves nothing less than what he inflicted on this poor man.
arednecksquirel
Post his bail, get my buddy with a 1943 German mouser, right before you end his miserable life say: 1/2
arednecksquirel
He survived these, but I doubt you will, and boom irony
Gutsman25
While I do not think that is actually irony, it is a pretty badass thing to say.
SaintofSoulss
Poetry at its finest.
gettodachopper69
I have a 1943 Mauser and a box of ammo made in 42'. Seems like a fine way to employ both.
ShakeyGraves
Why did he do this?
Fahargo
Because his family never tough him morales
Habreon
That's an empty answer. Plenty of people don't get taught morals yet somehow refrain from setting people on fire.
yikesaroni
yep this sort of reaction happens often, that rapist that was on the news was said to be "a good boy". same thing about the school shooter
Faelow
I'd like to see how much prison time the rapist would get for setting someone on fire.
CziltangBrone
You can be a saintly person, loved by everyone, and in one minute, become a murderer. You're still a murderer, no matter what else you do.
thunder2132
That's why I'd start my statement with "I thought that..." or "I used to think that..." but it'd probably get edited out for impact.
INeverThoughtIdMakeThisAccount
Yeah. Or just "misheard."
Spongybunny
I don't give a shit if someone was the pope before they committed a murder. Their past is meaningless if they can do something like that.
IfPeopleWereRedPandas
I don't believe that all rapists/murderers are wholly evil either. But murder is indeed murder, and justice needs to be blind to bias
GasBandit
"Oh, she was nice to me and I love her, but she's definitely in hell." Phoebe Buffay, regarding her deceased grandmother.
IHatePuns
In the family's defense it has to be so difficult to admit to yourself that the son you've raised is a monster. They're just in denial.
imshibagel
Well even good people can have bad moments. But, they're still bad moments. It's hard for family to see just how bad it sometimes is
Mentok
If your bad moment involves beating and then setting on fire a 90 year old man, how good of a person can you possibly be?
imshibagel
Well first, it's a generality. And even good people can be mentality sick and can have swings that occur later in life far from their norm.
Selerox
Scum raise scum who defend scum.
diesel100
Well, I think it's possible for a "good" person to do a "bad" thing and vice versa. Its not like movies where ppl are 100% good or evil. 1/2
diesel100
Humans are complex creatures. Just because he committed a horrible act doesn't make anything he does evil or him an evil person by default.
tiberiuswhythecrapcantweuseunderscoresxxvii
I get what you're saying and all, but something this extreme pretty much guarantees you on the "evil" side unless you're already a saint...
diesel100
Same thing goes other way. Just because Hitler may have donated to charity may not make him net "good." Or if we found MLK raped a girl 3/4
diesel100
Doesn't mean MLK is now an evil person. See what I'm saying? Hopefully he can find some therapy and redeem his life. Probably troubled man.
INeverThoughtIdMakeThisAccount
A noble but probably unpopular perspective around here. Take your +1 for being so understanding in a lynch mob world.
Talmorean
Everyone is "Good" until they snap/cross the line/commit the crime....or else they're mastermind serial killers that are good at hiding.
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
Not to take away from the story but don't call him a teenager in the title then call him a man in the article. My first reaction was
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
I can't believe a kid could do something so horrible...turns out he's an adult going to big boy jail.
Shellzie2010
He's 18, technically both an adult and a teenager
frogger44
A lot of news articles will do that. If the victim was 18, chances are they'll call them a teenager. If the person was a perpetrator (1/2)
frogger44
then it can go from teenager to adult. It varies. (2/2)
TahmKenchTheTavernWench
Why don't we treat people like this the way they treat others? Guy wants to set someone on fire, then set him on fire. See how he likes it.
mrhobbybob
No, I want to be better than this sack of shit, because I would have tied him on a rope behind my car on my way to the station.
WakeMeUpB4UpostPost
Well move to the Middle East.
thekbear
Easy there Nebuchadnezzar, you tried that once already, remember?
IronicUsername
Because it's impractical, barbaric, and you can't bring someone back from burning to death when you get the wrong perp.
IMadeThisOnlyForDestinyCodeBegging
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Jjtazman
justice is blind
retnaburn
Eye for an eye.
paradiddlediddle
leaves the whole world blind
retnaburn
Except for the last guy, with one eye, and he shall be our new leader and guide us to the motherland.
APackOfExcitedGingers
I think the original reason was that we, as a society, should be better than the monsters we're punishing.
MachineInterface
Gentle reminder that harsh punishments have no proven deterent effects (ask anti-death penalty militants about it). Fear of being caught 1/
MachineInterface
is where it's at.
ShouTuckersGhost
Nah, no need to torture him. He should definitely be executed though
LOlivingVE
Because we are better then he is.
OppaGangnamPyle
Leave him in a cell with no light for 45 years.Every 5 tell him he's got a chance at parole.Put him before the board but ALWAYS deny parole.
OppaGangnamPyle
After 45 years set him free with $17.
insoleindependent
$17? Now that's gangsta.
soepie7
Bring out the wildfire!
ROBOcaster
Because an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We don't sink to their level we rise above, and punish the wicked in other ways.
lindseyrae
GoodnightMoonUnratedandUncut
I was looking for this comment. Glad I found it
GueClaro
Not in America. Here we give you 3 hots and a cot. Homies to hang with everyday and visit for sexual frustrations drugs and tv. Sweet deal.
DidYouMean
Prison should be reformation, not torture. Otherwise I guess sure just kill them?
ShouTuckersGhost
Yeah, that'd be ideal.
sncstealth
Please. Someone this barbaric has no place in society
DidYouMean
That's the point I was making. If you cannot believe in reforming specific people, that it's not possible, you have only one option.
Sprixxen
Then vote for laws that would sentence him to death. Don't encourage vigilante rape/torture. It helps no one.
Spinzaku
Right. It's better for the victim to just lose the eye and rehabilitate the criminal. It's really society's fault after all.
ROBOcaster
I don't recall saying anything about rehabilitating anyone. I said we punish them in other ways.
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thiscanadianiswearingnopants
I think its complicated tho. Because now he is going to be living off the state and taxpayers instead of just dieing.
sirbazil13
Death by fire is the purest death
DAFUQisaLOMMY
"society hinges on the idea, that we treat criminals better than they treated their victims", While I don't always agree with this idea 1/2
NotFarEnough
Preach
DAFUQisaLOMMY
I do believe it's one of the few things in this world that keeps us from slipping into anarchy, and becoming just like those we demonize 2/3
DAFUQisaLOMMY
because, let's be honest, the main reason a lot of us don't murder someone is because there's a law against it 3/3
mrhobbybob
Yup
WholeLeeSmokes
OPmakesOC
So nobody who kills anyone can ever be redeemed, even if it was self-defense or accidental? Perfect system.
StoneThrowingDevil
'cause you can't say killing is wrong if you're willing to do it too. If you have the death penalty you aren't fit to say it's wrong
jumbosmooth
Killing is different from murder. The state has the right to punish or defend the country through killing. Murder is unlawful killing.
ButIamvoiceless
I'm totally willing to kill. It's not an inherently evil thing. It's the motive behind it that defines the morality.
pacojuerves
So if someone rapes another, the rapist should get raped?
LETSGETIT300NIGGA
Set him on fire and just before he dies, put him out. And then beat the shit out of him.
AnonymousBach
I assume this man is a good Christian and thus would probably welcome this application of the golden rule.
Baja2185
Probably in church every Sunday to hear his family tell it. Probably was the preacher
AnonymousBach
The way his family tells it he was probably helping to keep baby Jesus out of trouble.
PrincessLeliana
just a little, we want to keep him alive and burn him a couple times a week for those 60 years
Marikhen
I'd rather just dip him in burning thermite until he blacks out from the pain or can't feel it, give him time to recover, and then repeat.
Charkyo
3rd degree burns kill the nerves on the skin...you'd run out of bits to burn.
FlickTigger
Then just second degree burns
eusebiusnicomidea
I like the way you think.
GoDDstopper
I take small comfort in thinking that he'll be raped on a daily basis in prison. At least I hope so.
caboops
Unpopular opinion, I believe the state of our prisons, especially the rape, constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
NotFarEnough
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion
caboops
Shouldn't, but go ahead and read this comment section. General consensus is "I'm glad he will be raped" "at least he will be raped" etc.
AtlasUnbound
If they commit murder, murder them, but only a little.
talosguideme
Ah, the Hammurabi code. A personal favorite of mine.
AlaSnackbar
Every one deserves justice, except some need this version
chakarakarama
First known code of ethics wasn't it?
talosguideme
Not the first but one of the largest and most extensive
TribalRockGaming
Oh don't worry, that kind of shit doesnt fly in prison he will be beat and hurt daily from the other inmates maybe even killed.
Munchman347
No, he'll join a racist gang that will call him a hero for killing a white man and protect him. That's prison life for you...
zma123456
I once said that on imgur, I got down voted and someone told its because I'm from middle east. I'm not even from Middle East.
Captainpoopypants
But the method of eye for an eye is
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bantudota
well Israel is in the Middle East and that's the source of most Biblical content and authors, so yeah, not a very radical suggestion.
Isaypoopythingsbecausemostofyouannoyme
Actually that quote is misused. The full quote is "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." Opposite of how people use
Secsletariat
But... how are the blind people going to get the last man's eye? Do they have Daredevil powers?
HaYouForgotTheSubjunctive
That's a quote from Gandhi; the original (from Exodus) did actually mean exactly what it's used to mean.
BackdoorCryptography
I take it you mean the original (Hammurabi's code).
Isaypoopythingsbecausemostofyouannoyme
Oooohhhhhhhhhh. Well that's good to know, I never knew that.
RoyFuckingMustang
Innocent until proven guilty is important. Trial by media is not what our justice system should be about.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
Hey took a guilty plea reading is hard for you isn't it?
RoyFuckingMustang
He still has an appeal. Not to mention the 8th amendment prohibits the type of punishment this thread thinks is just.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
You can't appeal a guilty plea in a plea deal. And it seems they want to appeal the sentence not the conviction. The sentence they could 1-
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
try to appeal and see if it can get reduced. But the conviction won't and can't since HE agreed to it and admitted guilt to not go 2-
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
through a trial and risk having a much longer sentence based on a jury trial.
RoyFuckingMustang
I didn't notice that it was a plea deal, my mistake.
T2Tackleberry
I hope all the other inmates learn that he killed a WWII Vet.
Anubisblade
Wont last long in the GP with that.
justanotherimgurianbidenhistime
Punk-B****** get stitches!
sexyGandalf12
Do these kind of people get treated badly for hurting or killing ww2 vets? I know that child molesters will get killed if left alone
TheRaiderofRandom
In a prison (not a jail), your cellblock is your neighborhood. It's all you have, so you take a certain amount of pride in it. So, outside1/
TheRaiderofRandom
of gang violence and not showing respect to your HOA board, violence happens when you have people in your neighborhood that give it 2/
TheRaiderofRandom
a bad reputation or would in another time and place fuck up your home's resale value. So, yeah, this kid would catch hell most likely. 3/
TheRaiderofRandom
Not everyone in prison has a sterling sense of ethics clearly. But a small community must self-regulate, and so a system eventually forms.4/
DemonicCarnage
That can very easily be arranged, find out the prison look on line for pen pals in said prison get one or a couple and send a few letters
MrBananaBeak
Letters are screened.
streptovsky
"I would hate it if anything ever happened to a veteran. They're pillars of the community. How's that new inmate GS btw?"
MrBananaBeak
Letters are screened by personnel trained to look for hidden messages.
streptovsky
Then just establish a bond and go visit them. They can't stop you from whispering "George Steward killed a 91yo vet. Spread the word"
JohannVonTittySprinkles
mailman7777777
Most of his fellow inmates will be black and couldn't care less.
superafleck
if they learn that he burned an old man, they will stay away from him. like, too crazy man.. nope nope
thecolonels
That might actually help him. Neo Nazis might go easy.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
You are aware that not all white people in WWII were Nazis, right?
thecolonels
Yeah, he killed someone who killed nazis
Elonth
boy.... i don't think you know what they stand for. A black kid just killed an old WHITE war veteran brutally. He'd be lucky if its fast.
Vanbytheriver
No. think about it.
thriftydonkey
What does being a vet have to do with it. He tortured and killed someone, doesn't matter who or what they did.
BritishBatman
cause in prison the criminals kill the other criminals who did particularly bad shit to people, him being a war vet is icing on the cake
OPmakesOC
If you kill a pedophile out of revenge, you're sure as hell going to be treated differently than a child/vet murderer.
dagg3r
I dont understand the hate... anyone that does this to another human been is a monster especially to an old man.
pilojo
Depending on your crime, and who your crime affects, inmates treat you differently. Murderers are left alone for the most part. Vets/child
pilojo
(2) victims will get you raped and beaten in prison. Inmates, surprisingly, still have morals and don't take well to killing the helpless
SirusKing
"still have morals" is not compatible with mob justice.
FluffyMan93
Pretty much anytime you fuck with the young or the extremely old prison won't be a good time. Source: roommate is a CO.
JaguarOnMtOlympusPlayingALesPaul
They already know and they're waiting for him...
JustAnotherBrett
Prison justice!
MooseGoneMeh
This may seem unpopular but I'm not too much against prison justice.
AtGUNWT
Prison justice is great. While my cousin was locked up some guys found out that a new inmate raped a 14 year old boy. 1/2
HookersandBlow
Similar to how inmates killed the serial murderer Jeffery Dahmer then.
ImNotCreativeEnoughToThinkOfAFunnyUsername
This is one of those situations where I look the other way and keep on walking.
batmanforpresident
I've seen that movie
AtGUNWT
2/2 they shoved a broom handle up his ass and the beat him to death. My cousin steered clear but the guys that did it got minor time added.
BalkanDude
In one prison in Serbia prisoners found out that one dude raped a 12yo girl. They took a knife and carved a crucifixion on his back. 1/2
BalkanDude
2/2 Full back tattoo, "artist" took his time and payed attention to a lot of details.
HoneyandFire
Does rape deserve death? Or just rape the criminal?
PruDogE
Jesus that has to be the most brutal, disgusting thing that has ever made me giggle like a schoolgirl.
LazyTheAssCat
I'll not lie and say I feel broken up about it. 2/2
LazyTheAssCat
I know it's cruel and I know it's wrong, but I just can't find it myself to feel bad about shit like that. I won't condone it, but 1/
NotACop1515IsMyAgeNotACop
How.... how far up his ass?
Espherjan
They take the broom, break it and fan the splinters, then stick it splinters out so it cants be removed without spreading and piercing
RussianJudge
Past the bristles
RedDwarfIV
Waaaay up in there.
TalosGuideUs
So far it rektem
321Nik
wtf, thats so horrible. i mean, if he was in jail surely he wasnt sentenced for life in prison or death? i mean, much more educated people
321Nik
took all the evidence, spent a long time thinking about it, and other stuff, to determine the exact amount of time necessary in prison as
weedtittiesandkitties
But what side did he fight for in the war?
azmyth1
Almost 100% chance of either U.S. or Canada if he's living in Detroit.
ReadOnlyMemories
British
PleasantPeasantPheasant
He fought for his country it doesn't matter which side he was on he believed it was the right side, propaganda is a powerful thing.
Chaserdoge
The draft is a powerful thing too.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
I realize I am very lucky that all I have to do to stop it is to close the window. I just hope politics don't fuck it up again.
Boofernut
skelton
YesMyNameIsCalvin
Does it really matter?
Omnislash9
powerful comment.
TeSoad90
yes
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OnlySupernaturalWillDo
Not every German WW2 soldier was a Nazi. Many were conscripted, and many who were Nazis only joined to protect their families
StaringAtSidewalks
Most of the soldiers (especially at the end of the war) didn't follow the ideals of the party. Even some of the generals were against it.
NoZaku
Like Rommel
RaRaPotato
I don't know about that, many of the German soldiers were normal soldiers, not all of them were SS or uber bad.
StaringAtSidewalks
This^
AlsofakenamesoIcanpostthiscomment
Not all of the SS were bad either. Waffen SS were mainly soldiers