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https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1568146723586834438
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springelmogizmo
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https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1568146723586834438
OGshogun
Warrior women also have unique aspects to offer. I find when men and women fight together equally it brings a whole different bond.
Namorath9
The thing is, when shit needs to get done, gender roles go out the window
MakimasFavoriteTie
About time we get some sense in the villages, we need their wisdom and experience, differing and continuity practices of their experiences
bekindtoanimals
Bad asses- all of the soldiers
Merky600
Once heard a speaker talk about the large number of women that fought throughout history. That speakers? Terry Pratchett.
testecull
You want to fuck around? They'll help you find out! GQP finna learn that one the hard ware here in a few months....
Thelrishlnquistion
I hope so, I really do.
pxlphile
Damn that was inspiring. Now I too want to be a women and serve in Ukrainian armed forces.
Andreas99100
Slava Ukraini, ladies!!!
c246ykycym2000
I cant wait for this stupid war to end and UA join the UE… i ve seen some great nice beaches, wow
BlairT1
A woman will NLAW your ass just as quick as the boys would. Maybe even better at it
Thelrishlnquistion
The incels must be crying their eyes out right about now
Lisekmaly
"Im proud of their courage and ashamed they have to display it. We should deal with the ugly side of this war." My grandpa friend used to /1
Lisekmaly
/2 say that when he visited and got a bit drunk (cause you know Poland). So yeah Slavic women are badass /2
Lisekmaly
/3 Other women are probably too, I just havent met so many of them as to form opinions. Either way GOOD LUCK to you ladies. Sława Ukrainie.
malkavian3str
total war is based
wadatahmydamie
Here in America, women who report rape get demoted and sometimes killed ? one of the many reasons we need civilian oversight
sirmixanaverageamount
Our military is a dumping ground of toxic masculinity and its reinforced by higher ups constantly
MrMaRzZ
Toxic masculinity doesn't exist princess
Sortros
Did you forget the "/s"?
JohnThatcher
Send those orcs to hell, girls!
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Send those Orks into the Warp* we've moved into 40k territory now.
korndogg83
Never dehumanise the enemy. That’s the way to turn yourself into fascist scum.
DocBenny
"please don't use derogatory terms against the genocidal fascist invaders"
Nivvi
Russian army dehumanised themselves since WW2. No help needed.
eetsumkaus
you're getting downvoted but it's true. Evil is much more poignant when you recognize it's people at both ends of it. That being said 1/
eetsumkaus
2/ "Orcs" IIRC is just the English translation for whatever the Ukrainians call fascist Russians. Not sure it's that derogatory originally.
parasztarcal
I have a feeling that the word they use against fascists actively killing their women and children might actually be a derogatory one.
eetsumkaus
I guess I meant "dehumanizing". You can be derogatory without referring to people as animals. But I don't know Ukrainian/Russian.
JohnThatcher
I found the fascist scum!
korndogg83
Yes, the Jewish descendant of Holocaust survivors warning against dehumanising other people - even enemies - must definitely be fascist.
Venfolnir
Haven't the US military done this since way back? Even when fighting fascist scum?
korndogg83
Perhaps. That doesn’t make it right. I’d follow Hanna Arendt: https://www.themarginalian.org/2017/02/07/hannah-arendt-the-banality-of-evil/
korndogg83
Dehumanisation is a necessary step to trivialising horrific acts against other people, up to and including genocide.
korndogg83
If imgurians still agree with dehumanisation, then it’s sad. They agreed with pointless wars across the Middle East for a long time and //
TheRealR0tb3rt
I served with women's in the German Army and would do anytime in a heartbeat again.
korndogg83
Same - Jewish and served with women in the Bundeswehr and don’t see any problem with gender, faith, or background in military service.
TheRealR0tb3rt
The problem ain't the women, it's the old established.
korndogg83
That’s a whole new issue of who the establishment is and how their old officer dynasties still hold power…
VaultGirl69
Hard times create an opportunity for people to unite. I wish they would when things aren't difficult. Divisive politics erodes society.
klean9
“Those Ukraine girls really knock me out..” No, seriously. They’ll knock you out!
Dondarian
Does this mean 22% of the female Ukrainian population is in the military, or 22% of the military is female?
QueenOfTheFey
I believe it's 22% of the military is female.
Jandegrote
Those women know what will happen to them and/or their kids if those cunts win.
we33vvk6nz9
It can happen within her own troops. Sad
pugcashingout
More importantly they are kicking asses of ruzzian rapists and torturers !
Vineheart01
Literally my only reason against women on the front is we all know female PoWs are treated way, way worse
springelmogizmo
maybe their freedom is worth the risk to them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/ukraine-women-fighting-frontline
frozencloud
yas, queen
vkelcalvi
Long life to the (combat) Queens!!
aPinchofMensch
Could we actually see pictures of that instead of Ukrainian models posing with airsoft guns, in military uniforms, and perfect makeup?
Nivvi
Right. Here is a catalogue of our women on the front lines for everybody to see. Splendid idea.
HogWashDiddler
I feel like that video was a mixture of both real soldiers and models
aPinchofMensch
Im talking about the materials put out by Ukraine before this video. There's been plenty of them.
HogWashDiddler
So your asking to see something on a post that you seem to agree shows what you asked for?
aPinchofMensch
Where in the video is any of that? They're all pretty much Instagram ready. Remember the picture of the male soldiers, sleeping on -
aPinchofMensch
- each other in a dug-out foxhole? Where's the equivalent for their female soldiers?
Bwamsandi
when it's time to put up or shut up women typically put up.
Stuhlkreis
hell has no fury like a woman scorned
Bwamsandi
Great deal of scorned women out there honestly surprised they haven't marched on washington and demanded blood yet.
GRZMNKY
Republicans don't want women putting up.. They want them to put out. That's why they don't want them in the military
brianingram
Republican women have learned how to "put up with" ... they don't know the difference
PirateArrrgument
Always have.
FatBastardVegetarian
Russia's bailing too... afraid of the winters or the womens... I don't care. As long as they're bailing.
Drimilidrimdrim
Maryna Tkachenko who is a Ukrainian Warhammer 40k Cosplayer is serving as a combat medic.
GeneralPrower
Time for the Adeptus Sororitas to smite some fucking heretics.
Dalandar
The Sororitas Maryna looks across the barren fields and spies the Heretics cowering their holes. She calls on her radio, "EXTERMINATUS".
perraCreator
Ukrainian adeptus sororitas IRL. Hope her arsenal includes a bolter.
DarkRedCape
People will be cosplaying her when Ukraine win this war.
ThisIsYourLifeNow
*after. after the ukraine won this war. There is no when. They will defeat Putin and free all of europe from him.
jomi20806
Your acting like the said if, they said when
vurcease
JARNSB
Adepta Sororitas Battle Sister
namtrohs
Find you a girl that can do ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ whatever she wants.
IgiveupIdontknowwhatusernametopick
Please go to https://u24.gov.ua/ and donate what you can. Support Ukraine and its brave women while they work to kick out the invaders.
pocketpython
If women want to fight and serve in the army, let 'em. Never quite understood this whole "women shouldn't serve in infantry roles" thing.
TheMetanaut
We have mandatory service for men here in Finland, women can serve if they want to. Very few do.
TwerkingTurtle
I know a few females I would not mind going to war with, but most where tiny. If I got shot, no way would they be able to drag me to safty.
GrimNyrah
Probably because the vast majority of sexual assault in the military is by your own side.
Anonymouse64
Yeah, guns make it much easier
Imademyselfsquirtle
America hates women. Love to rape, abuse and kill em.
we33vvk6nz9
Had to do with distractions - gender distractions and sex. And the archaic view that women are not competent.
IconicM
Republicans love to control women.
Axianamos
For me it's the people that want to lower training requirements so more women can join. No.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Societies that exclude women from war recover population faster
OutlawGerman
Mostly. Babies.
supportivebrah
I always thought women were not protected as combatants under the Geneva conference? Pretty sure they referred to all combatants as men.
ViolinKites
in 300 Leonidas was like you can’t hold the line and sent dude packing but then he single-handedly took ‘em down lol should’ve let him help
ViolinKites
what I’m saying if Ukrainians didn’t let women do what they want in the military they might tell putin how to outflank them at thermopylae
sparkletempt
But that was a comic and reality was a bit different
WhoisDerek
I comes from a study done by the USMC. That had a bunch of flaws. The study concluded women perform general strength tests worse lol.
ChuckItAll
People act like infantry is the only job in the military. Idc that half the girls in my unit couldn't carry their own seabag. I just hate...
ChuckItAll
That the bathroom ratio to your sex isn't the same. You know how far a man has to go just to use a bathroom? Not women though
UprootedGrunt
Because they're delicate flowers suitable only for being incubators.
Stuhlkreis
hell has no fury like a woman scorned
CatEyebrows
Yeah, growing a human inside of your body, then pushing it out through a tiny hole, is a real delicate flower affair
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
MorallyCasual
Because it's harder to subjugate us when we are equals.
BenevolentViking
Historically it's because women are generally shorter, have less muscle mass and, well, have a monthly inconvenience. Also guys can't -
BenevolentViking
can't give birth so from a numbers sense in war you can replace your populace quickly even if lots of men die, but can't if many women die.-
BenevolentViking
in modern warfare they still have slight disadvantages, but those are much less important because we don't fight with swords anymore.
BenevolentViking
So, long story short, it used to matter, but not really anymore because anyone can pull a trigger.
Scar1203
If a woman can pass the men's PT test then I'm all for it, but no double standards in combat roles IMO.
cheesedogs
Not to mention if any person is physically unable to fight, they can still serve many different support roles
modus0
There's still the matter of the weight of the gear they carry around, not really possible to drop too much from it to reduce load.
Malloon
A very accurate summation.
Masinx
Combat gear, armor, etc. I'm guessing in a few more years things will be lighter by far, so you'd be right again.
UsertubeBandwagon
in coed ROTC in college, the women cadets werent able to carry “ injured” males effectively. during battle sims and ftx’s. only difference.
TheRealPumpkinQueen
I would interject that it entirely depends on the physical training. I had to adjust mine to make up for my difference in physiology, but
TheRealPumpkinQueen
as a redult was able to perform well. We cant do all the same PT males do and get the same results. At least I couldnt
mormacil
Because they can compensate with leg muscles to overcome the lower upper body strength generally.
JudgementalMan
I'm confused by this because yeah it makes sense women cant lift big dudes around but thats a daily thing for EMTs and a bunch are women.
parasztarcal
Military gear+fitness standards (high average mass) guarantees that it's a shit job everytime.Multiple EMTs carrying is not a tactical issue
JudgementalMan
You are expected to be able to fireman carry a dude as an EMT, although they may not have the luxury of removing a persons body armor before
UsertubeBandwagon
getting someone on a stretcher or to an ambulance is easier than fireman carrying a man for a mile to an exfil.
SithElephant
I feel you may enjoy this onion on Gays in the military. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ - best part 'seven'
stingingnettlegurlL7
Lmao. I love this.
Xt3rminat3
Recruiter said that the issue is the boys were more likely to take unnecessary risks to defend or protect women. So basically sexism.
secretdpp
That was after watching several countries deploy female combat troops across multiple wars and nations. It's a biological imperative
SunReign
Base physical strength might be a factor as well?
Stuhlkreis
Yes gear weighs a ton, but pulling a trigger is no hard physical task. Sword fighting in the past? Different story..
thisisntverybritish
You generally have to get all your gear to the place where you can pull the trigger and have an effect. It's not paintball.
Fasrill
I suspect that even this will be less of an issue in the future, what with some companies working on powered exoskeleton prototypes.
kletskoek
Yeah, infanteers have to carry a lot of gear. Fewer women as a % of the pop can do that than men. The ones the can should be allowed to tho
adiving
That's bullshit though. I mean yes on average woman are weaker, but you'll be hard pressed to find any weaker than me, and I'd still get in
lucindamarie18
Women much less emotional.
parasztarcal
I wonder how, there's physical standards everywhere but the reserves where I am, and the reserves will take women no issue anyway.
OmnipotentBeing
Let's Rock!!!!
secretdpp
Well traditionally sexual assault is astronomically high against female soldiers. That has been a leading consideration.
justsitting4comfortbutinscoolway
I never understood why kids can't be soldiers
Mcflanagainifyoucanagain
its because women are weaker than men? and you need to be strong enough to pick up your buddy and run with them on your shoulder idiot
PirateRubberDuck
On average women are weaker. But the fitness standards for joining the military set at higher than the average person.
MrMaRzZ
Which women fail all the time. They had to create one just for them because they couldn't pass the men's training regiment. Lowered the bar
PirateRubberDuck
They lowered the bar to encourage more women to join. The same reason they lowered the bar for men in recent years..
PirateRubberDuck
The standards for men and women joining are different, but so are the standards for joining to be an officer.
AlwaysInTheshadows
Women will never be equal in the eyes of men until they are equal in death. It's 'harder' to lose a woman in combat. It's sad but true.
WhereIsMyAppleQuava
There are a few. Some relevant to now and some not. One major point is sexual harrassment and worse if captured and niceties are gone.
MostlyWhelmed
Back 30 yrs ago when I was in. They said it was that if women were in combat arms you could fall in love, and abandoned the mission.
TerribleBaconMistake
Sounds like an interesting but ridiculous movie.
narcoleptiKnickers
Sounds like somebody's spank fantasy.
MostlyWhelmed
Same excuse for no gays. Also used pregnancy & strength.
coothlesscthulhu
A gay man getting pregnant would definitely be a problem.
CarlottaVonSprockett
I remember hearing that too, but it was a few years ago! The marine that told me that also said the smell of women would distract men /1
CarlottaVonSprockett
in the middle of combat, which frankly creeped me the fuck out. 2/2
Shaodyn
Part of it is the patriarchal belief that women belong in supportive roles. Teaching, nursing, childcare, etc.
szepasszony
In the US, the 'don't draft women/no women in combat roles' argument was re-energized by anti-feminists fighting the passage of the ERA
szepasszony
Ironically, one of the main arguments anti-feminists lean on is the male-only draft and men making up the majority of combat deaths.
Chimponzoo
½>You are going to hear a lot about rape and/or "shark week" as my wife calls it. But the real reason is that men are a lot more likely >
Chimponzoo
²>to act heroically to save women, and in war, heroes tend to kill their squad.
CarlottaVonSprockett
Show me the legitimate research that proves this.
MCNewYorkLives
Part of me fear for the woman in the US military, mostly bc of the countless sexual abusers that go unpunished. Hearing the stories is..sad
HomeDepotAisle15
Plus who would birth more Cannon fodder?
Gaelwyn
Women are not the only ones being abused in the military. Rapists will rape whoever they can get access to, they’re not picky.
mormacil
Actually majority of rapists are very picky. Most also don't consider themselves to be rapists. Making prevention hard.
trikucian
It was really bad for female Russian soldiers in ww2 as well
Stuckinaboxthere
It's sad the biggest enemy for female soldiers is literally the country they serve
SiriusWolf
What's worse is it's more specific the people they serve with
JackTheFartRipper
Yes, but people need to speak up about it. Doesn't matter your gender in the military; if you're being sexually assaulted, report that shit
thatscool22
So the commander can ignore you. That’s why it shouldn’t be up to commander to investigate the reports.
JackTheFartRipper
That's what I'm saying
MCNewYorkLives
The US military needs a HUGE shift in internal policies
MrStealUrChange
The U.S. in general just needs accountability
ZeOberon
* The US needs a HUGE shift in internal policies
ThatTransformersDude
And budget*
Leevalleyoftheshadowofdeath
Like most things in the us, it needs to be gutted and rebuilt ground up.
NCPBullet
So again like most things in the US nothing is going to happen
UnitConversionBotButTerrible
Masinx
Id say start with the officer corps and military police, they cover for each other
folderolchi
I mean,they relocated 9k marines off Japan due to the rape and violence and Japan paid for it. They went to Pacific islands, like Guam
SecondSince
I'm sure Guam was very happy to receive thousands of violent rapists... :(
folderolchi
Guams economy is based on tourism (largely Japanese) so we constantly heard the horror stories about it too!
Sloppydrunkcatlady
Yep, and now all of the U.S military bases there have mandatory curfews and you don't have the option to live off base. Fuckin Marines...
folderolchi
Destroying one of my favorite underwater caves to turn it into a marine shooting range :')
Wireporn
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Sayagain
Are... are underwater shooting ranges a thing?
folderolchi
The land that contains the cave! Sorry https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2017/08/27/us-marines-live-fire-range-planned
eetsumkaus
they probably reclaimed it
Clayman8
Its equality but only the way the feminazis want it. Cushy, safe, easy. High respect for those that actually take active roles in the army.
hannahbutnotreally
Said the incel.
Clayman8
Said someone who actually served and saw many women quit and take desk jobs because they wanted to play hero and realised its too hard. ?
hannahbutnotreally
Said the incel a second time, proving my insinuation completely.
Clayman8
Cute, just curious as to which parts makes you say that, or are you just trying to be edgy cause you dont agree?