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“We’ve never seen this level of out-of-bounds camping. Every day-use area was occupied every evening. Joshua trees were actually cut down in order to make new roads.”
Do people sit around waiting for their chance to be complete asshats?! What the actual hell!? "Hey the government is shutdown, now's our chance to cut down protected Flora and ruin a national park!! Yeeeehaaaaaaa!!!!" Let drink all the booze and be complete idiots!!
To whoever is doing this, stop breathing our air, please and thanks.
*FP edit- Huh, so I made FP by being angry at a bunch of oxygen thiefs that make the rest of us look bad? You guys are all right in my book.
unsureaboutexpirationdate
No need for government, no, none at all. *sarcasm off
makesense
Actually, yes. There are people who are so against National Parks that they will vandalize them if given a chance.
immajinx
This is why having National Parks open but unstaffed is a bad idea...
dArtagnan62
As a Park Ranger, some people will do anything to do what they want and the only thing stopping them is my fellow green and grey Rangers
T8umx
Thanos had a good idea, but the snap should have targeted assholes like that.
Rex83ll4t0r
Inorite
CaptGunpowder
It's almost as if government employees and regulations serve some beneficial purpose. Go figure.
lenomdeplume
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icanhasimgur
Where is this? CA high desert is the one of the only place with Joshua trees
Yetticrabs
You got it, Joshua tree national Park, California
mikeatike
Show this to all the people that bitched when they closed national parks during the shutdown.
silentwolf1999
If they truly loved the parks like they say they do theyd understand
Knightendae
I would be very disappointed, but would understand.
PUNKem733
I bet half the problem is alcohol.
LewdSomnambulist
Trump left the parks open with no staff because he knows stuff like this pisses people off. It's a negotiation tactic
leroy666
Not that smart!
Rudicuul
Should shoot those people. Like they do with poachers in Africa.
soromon
Barbeque? Giant cooler? Some people's concept of 'camping' is ridiculous. And cutting down trees, WTF? Leave No Trace!
thisnameisntfunny
They're "Car Camping", which is fine. Lots of people camp this way, but these people cut down trees to get their cars into this area.
LlamaLingo
Why are park rangers not considered "essential" like some other job groups?
pfsar
Because the environment is an afterthought to the US government, even when it affects people most of the time. Just look at Flint, Michigan.
IRtheLaw
Because the parks don't have to stay open. People's vacation plans aren't an emergency. Some NPS jobs are essential, like animal care.
LlamaLingo
National parks are important tho. Im not saying they should be open but at least protected
thisnameisntfunny
Agreed, but the decision was made to keep the parks open without staff. Previous shutdowns closed everything to protect them.
WhatzitTooya
Opportunity makes thieves. And Assholes.
GitRightStik
Civilization is a veneer we all hide humanity behind.
SenselessBunchOfLetters
Where is this
xn1992
Joshua Tree in southern California, I think
Domehammer
Oh California, that probably explains the tree cutting down.
Bukefalos
Well, maybe you should've stayed on the fucking moon, then..
Leoninus
while this is all important and stuff, i have to say I laughed way way to hard at this
Yetticrabs
perey
Downvoted by people who didn't see the tag, I'm guessing.
Krympehl
asking people to stop doing it isn't enough, it needs to be enforced
ThisIsReallyHowILook
What the fuck is wrong with people?!
Smacketywack
Do you want a list?
T8umx
I think public execution and corporal punishment should be brought back.
hereforthegoodies
Don’t even need execution. Just public humiliation. Bet it would work wonders in public schools
Muad
hey that's pretty dang edgy
T8umx
Yeah, I bet the first year would see a drop in most crimes. People deserve rights, but once you fuck up...
T8umx
And didn't some American kid get caned in Malaysia? Back in the 90's? Bet he remembers that anytime he starts to repeat what he did
Muad
apparently he said he started sniffing butane to forget the caning
T8umx
Lol and everything else
gunshowzero
Uh yeah man.. remember when people were supposed to be ashamed of being Nazis? And then Trump made it ok? They were waiting for their chance
khazaria
I see this every day. People just see a wooded area, take a chainsaw, create their own roads and atv through it. Stop.
SingleWhiteMonkey
Joshua Tree is one of the MOST underrated parks in the U.S. (but gaining popularity due to Coachella)
hateanyway
can we talk about the fact that the tree pictures has been down for years? I can't even tell if it was humans or beavers.
tuxedotaquito
Yeah beavers at Joshua Tree. Wtf
chocho05
Thank you!!!
JaceCameron
If anyone ever needed a reason why we need government control it's because asshats
chisox22
Regulations put in because people behave badly. Regulation works. Bad behavior stops. 1/2
chisox22
Then conservatives see regulations as needless red tape. Regulations removed. Bad behavior resumes. Liberals say, "see this nonsense."
TummyMcTumTum
You should watch Bio-Dome. Pauly Shore made a documentary about humans living in a giant mall trying to maintain homeostasis.
whitebbwolf
Pauly friggin Shore!? why do I expect this to have ended badly? Cause of him or humans in general?
insomniac24x7
Ha and then same people wonder why we need any kind of regulation! Cause we can’t have nice things
Fistouille
And there was trash like everywhere on the very first day of shutdown. Littering infuriates me so much
PicassoCT
I want a drone to pick it up, follow the dropper and drop it on him. No matter what.
AlexSomething
Once worked cleaning a mall parking lot : I'd find trash littered around & hidden in bushes a mere 5 steps away from an empty trashcan...
BLUEPHENIX31
Right? It's like they go out of their way to stick it to someone. Definite deal breaker.
JaceCameron
Go to Japan. Its shockingly clean everywhere. but they ingrain that into the kids
pixe1adrift
This would never happen in Japan because in Japan everyone takes care of their own garbage so nobody needs to be hired to do it lol
ionicseraph
Thats because theyre all too busy overworking themselves to go camping and have a chance to litter
pixe1adrift
Haha.. I appreciate your joke. But really at work every day there's 10 minutes allotted to cleaning everything. My job's the trash.
whitebbwolf
thanks in part to a school system that instill values b4 knowledge and collective metallity not present or wanted in the US
pixe1adrift
in *great* part. Did you know they have ethics classes here for 5th graders? it's incredible~
AranaDiscoteca
Not 100% true, but, pretty close anyhow. There's a huge culture around being a collective - it's not MY mess but it's THE mess in OUR area >
AranaDiscoteca
So there's no "I didn't do it" so much as "Oh, there's something that should be done"
pixe1adrift
I mean usually if something's laying around it gets ignored but heaven help you if you're seen dropping stuff on purpose
AranaDiscoteca
https://imgur.com/WcNmFnQ
Yetticrabs
I really can't understand it, who raised people to act like complete savages?
arachnoides
You have you understand that what you think is 'right' is not actually right. Those people just have a different opinion to you.
bamblebimble
Far right Republicans cuz fuck environmental protection, they say "why should we pay to help the environment"
JaceCameron
Murican. cause they do what they want and are proud of it
SirSkellingtonBonerLord
parents who raise their kids like they're unique and special and the whole world exists just for them.
JaceCameron
So every generation in the US since ww2?
JimmyJamba
I was raised to think I'm unique and special but was also raised to respect other people and this earth.
vagpower
Collectively, humans are shit. Not all humans, but enough to do serious damage to this world. If there were no laws or rules, just imagine.
ARatEar
Yes, all of them.
Biffa90
Person is kind and smart, people are dumb as shit and cruel
negronamedcolbs
SpaceISIS
In a county of 330 million, even 1 percent is still 3.3 million idiots running about
kanoPositivityMaker
People=shit.
sykoticflaw
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
gajillion
Bullshit. FTA: "There are about a dozen instances of extensive vehicle traffic off roads..." Dozens. Out of 2.8 million annual visitors.
gajillion
People who hate people are the worst kind of people. They create the kind of people they hate.
railgap
Oh we're doing serious damage, it's just that the world is full of biology and unless we come up with a way to sterilize the planet, the
railgap
biome will recover. That doesn't mean we aren't making species extinct every day.
railgap
And keep in mind that not even a "full exchange" nuclear war between all the superpowers would not sterilize the planet. Big rocks that hit/
railgap
is in the past caused more drastic die-offs than we could manage with all our nuclear bombs. Gaia will continue longer than we will.
inferno34
Well if no laws or rules, it would make it easier for everyone to be Thanos in regards to stupid people
NateintheNorth
The problem with this is that stupid people would also do this.
inferno34
Just an assumption, but i think we out number them . However i could be one of them
NateintheNorth
The average person is of average intelligence. Just gotta build a wall on one side of the bell curve ;)
weerdo
If we didn't have laws and rules.. we would not have come as far as we did. We would probably still life in the dark ages bashing skulls
IHaveAMemeForThis
I disagree. Most people are innately good but then there are those 5% of people that are just asshats
ARatEar
You'de be wrong.
IHaveAMemeForThis
Maybe. But if so many people are so shitty don't you think there'd be a whole lot more crime?
ImTheOneWhoTookYourRug
Then the additional 45% who justify being shitty because they saw 5% being shitty. Some people change when the line has been redrawn.
Baalzak
Half of all people are worse than average.
Int3nt
Oracle547
And our average isn't so great to begin with
Domehammer
Laws maintain order through fear of consequences to breaking the law. Take away laws and chaos reigns until the strongest impose new order.
ThatTransformersDude
It's something people don't realize anytime they say we don't need governments at all. But we form to to keep ourselves in check.
SoooooOriginal
Maybeybe for some people. Definitely not for all.
EdwardSanders2808
Are there any historical recollections on that fact? or is just an opinion? I ask because I have the idea of the contrary, but no facts.
Domehammer
A opinion based on knowledge of history. Trying to think of a example on the spot is difficult. Best example I could think of is one of 1/2
Domehammer
the french revolutions. Where beheading to really out of hand once tossed law aside. Probably exaggerated by historians. 2/2
EdwardSanders2808
But, the beheadings were done under the rule of the law of the new regime. There were trials and all. It was all legal.
thebridgejumper
People always say it’s a minority of very loud idiots. I beg to differ. It’s not just a minority. There are a lot of idiots.
SOcean255
Minority of very loud idiots. Still loud idiots, quiet idiots and in between idiots we just don’t hear about still doing thing like this
Whitebeardthepirate
Stupidity as a whole has grown out of control the last 30 years or so. We used to be a race of people that celebrated the intelligent, 1/3
Whitebeardthepirate
The kind, the decent, and shunned the dumb, the ignorant, the hateful. Now it's been reversed. As proof, even with good intentions 2/3
Whitebeardthepirate
try to correct someone's spelling online to be nice. Watch how quick you get insulted or called a "grammar nazi" 3/3
SDGuitar
Perfect Poe's Law. Well done.
GCRust
A lot of idiots plus a lot of follower types that will just do what they see is acceptable.
ThomasFernandez
Statistics say at least half of the population
UnrealDreamer
It's definitely a majority.
WhatzitTooya
At least 62,984,828.
Tyaldan
they are statistically speaking a minority. But the majority is apathetic and go who the fuck cares.
TheDoctorAndHisTrustyTardis
Thanks Obama
hereforthegoodies
Actually. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262. Go look who voted yes in 06 for the wall but now vote no. What happened?
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hereforthegoodies
Has been shown by who? As far as I can tell fences/walls work great to keep convicts in prison How is this different?
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hereforthegoodies
No web link? I sent you several. Come on send me a link so I call it drivel.
sozensloth
12 people don't understand sarcasm/irony
pfsar
I’m British. We understand sarcasm. But, when it comes to US politics today, sarcasm is inappropriate. People need to just hear the truth.
lupinypupper
Thank you
danielfrost114
We haven’t heard the truth since Trump was elected with help by the Russians.!
NorthSideSoldier
Fun fact Obama closed down parks during the shutdown in his presidency so this wouldn't happen. Trump didn't.
badintensions42
Fun fact, Obama shut down the parks,monuments,beaches,open air war memorials for political pressure.Nice try though
thisnameisntfunny
No. He closed them to prevent exactly this. Stop lying. It's shameful.
badintensions42
Funny how people romanticize Him. Closed parks to prevent vandalism?Really? I’m going to stop here, can’t debate zealots
NorthSideSoldier
Those places are being vandalized right now because Trump left them open.
radlee7
You mean from that time Obama shutdown the govt to make his healthcare mandatory?
NorthSideSoldier
You mean when Ted Cruz started a shutdown trying to stop the affordable Care act?
radlee7
Ted Cruz isn’t even a real person. Nice try tho
MoreAshyThanLarry
O care was already a law, the Rs wanted to defund it.
radlee7
I never said he passed the policy in itself.