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zamalek1
Wait hold on OP, you stole the list of how many times I got laid this week!
TruthHammer
Spent 8 nights at a Canadian hospital, was on waiting list for 9 months.
boobcat
It took me a long time to get my head around a Hospital giving you a Bill in the US. Restaurants give you a bill but a Hospital? That's whak
goldenteddy
as a dane... it is just "free"
MasterBryan
If you are only spending nights there, of course there is no charge for the days.
tankdog420
Because you were in the waiting room those 8 nights...
educationalposts
How much were the 5 days?
haco1234
EmotionallyCrippled
About three fiddy
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
35mill people in Canada. 350mill people in the US. Different problems with different solutions.
nugsnotdrugs95
Canadian health sucks though. Ive been on a waiting list for almost 3 years....Just for knee surgery lol.
CarpeLiam
Sounds life threatening...
mrmartini
Americans have been convinced they're paying for quality and service. They're making people rich. That's all. It's a pay-to-live system 1/2
mrmartini
2/2 and that's why we, the wealthiest country on Earth, rank 37th in healthcare.
elb98rm
America: your perception of how much taxes would be are skewed by the healthcare you have being a legitimately insane rip off.
Nobodyhomezzz
Half of that was waiting in the ER. Canadian here...
PhonesRinginDude
Were the first three days spent in a waiting room?
ArchQuantum
It says you are a police officer here to guard a patient. Hang on. Is that slightly psychic paper?
anonnona887
What's sadder is how fucked up our medicare system is. Basically I pay $500 and $350 (I pay for my mom) every month for this shit. Also
anonnona887
Get to pay about $20-23 out of my paycheck. But if I don't work then it will go down to about $50 for my mom and about $210 for myself.
anonnona887
Love this system since even though I pay that much I still have to co-pay sometimes or pay $5-20 if it's a "specialist"
TheC0mpleteP0ems
*UK Chanting* NHS NHS NHS NHS
TheBorzoi
Just did some currency conversion. Happens to be the exact same cost here in the UK.
OblivionCityGuard
dam as a french student this looks like my bill for 3 years of university
ZeroLogain
Wife has brain cancer. 2 operations and 2 years of treatment has run a grand total of about 2500. Ya, it's worth it.
EvilMorkfrom0rk
My reaction when Canadians try to prove their country is better.
behemothbeast
"bish wet"
Lardnapkin
Not better, just awesomer with less fat people
oldelidog
fewer
boobcat
On top of this American's Taxes aren't lower than countries with Free Health
DidItForScience
Nice, I broke my leg here in the USA. My bill was $60,000. But I did end up having a plate put in. Then later taken out (due to infection).
didyoueverhearthetragedyofdarthplagueisthewise
As a Brit, higher taxes but having the NHS (even with all its problems) is amazing. Wouldn't have it any other way
Xx11Rebecca11xX
I'm so glad we have it. I'd spend ~$10,000 a year on diabetes supplies in the US.
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MadMupp
But we can see how other systems work and fuck, they can keep them
didyoueverhearthetragedyofdarthplagueisthewise
Except America, that's just shit!
elb98rm
Not really. There are many things better in foreign countries. Our healthcare arrangements are genuinely the best tho...
delpharseven
You may have higher taxes, but you pay 33% less in taxes for healthcare than Americans do. And then they have to go get private insurance.
ninthjake
As a Swede with a mother who have suffered 2 heart attacks, a stroke and have had brain surgery. I agree wholeheartedly.
HeHeHebieJeebies
Well.. as an American.. please. please please let us stay there for the next 4 years. King Trump is gonna get us all killed.
DrKriegersClone
I mean, if Trump does bungle things badly enough to start a war with China, Canada will get nuked too.
rainmakerab
Bull**** what about the parking?
EmeraldLight
My hospital still has free parking!
rainmakerab
We get gouged on parking, and fined if not paid ( in theory) .. Gram don't die yet I gotta run out and pay the parking, ugh be right back
orangatuan
As an Englishman, I've been on haemodialysis for over a decade. Here is the bill the dialysis center sends me every month.
orangatuan
HerbSewell
When you get really sick, we'll see you down here.
delpharseven
Myth. Canadians going to the US for healthcare is ~2500 per year. We simply can't afford it.
HerbSewell
I bet those 2,500 are pretty rich and can afford it. Capitalized systems produce a better product be it housing or healthcare.
delpharseven
There are some top of the world quality facilities in the US. But overall, multiple studies have found that US healthcare outcomes are 1/
delpharseven
not measurably superior. Healthcare doesn't behave like cars or movies or fast food outlets. We need healthcare to stay alive and we are 2/
delpharseven
very bad a putting a price on that. The supply side can effectively charge whatever they want and we will pay it. This is called 3/
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5A5Wolf
As a Native American-American, I don't understand the joke.
AsAnAmerican
Why you gotta give me so much sass??
jp189512
as a canadian, sorry
sorrytobepedantic
If you're American how do you know about Kerry Katona?
uhhhnowwhat
But Brobamacare.
humblegrumblebee
I paid like 40 dollars for my appendectomy. Norway is pretty nice.
Hellstorm99
Right? I am thankful they got rid of lifetime caps, I was at $1.4 million of a $2mil insurance policy...
IneigiTsukuyomi
*nods*
FridayFeeling
Kerry Katona?
drusillajovi
Yup. Looking just as fucked up as ever
NationalElfService
An Ironic Kerry Kartona, one of the rarest Kerry Katonas
brianclementsvatua
wartoaster
Don't forget, single-payer healthcare is SOCIALIST amd weer don't want to be like CANADA or the UK or like, 30 other countries
Heretofukyouover
America, ~70% socialist just too stupid to realize it.
NoForethought
every 1st world country. Democratic socialism is a beautiful thing. It's what Bernie wanted for the states.
SenorFunGuns
oh fuck off mate
YepUsernameChecksOut
Single player health care
Arcian
Player 2 has joined the healthcare system
bumholiday
Player 1 is dead. Pay up to continue?
cmererightmeow
More like 80 other countries.
wartoaster
Last I checked, there are 34 countries that fall under the definition of "single payer healthcare" but standardized healthcare is similar
BlackDeathZombieSwede
I lol'd +1
SwedishBalls
Obama can't save you now, 32 days left.
NoForethought
obama care probably wont be phased out for at least 3 years, if at all.
CasualWaterboarding
Thanks Obama
xCOMBATICUSx
Don't worry. Wait till he sees how his taxes will look...
apolloin
You'd be amazed how few Canadian bankruptcies there are over taxes - unlike US Healthcare.
SSlack
Pssssh. Its not that proportional though I believe.
Volt1ighter
Taxes for the middle class are similar to the states.
stef101
TakWriterOfWorlds
Only on the Americans.
nikseen
Not bad actually, dude..
AncientSeraph
I love how this is the go-to argument of people who've never actually looked into those taxes. Get educated, man.
kusuriya
its because the people who take this get spoon fed the top tax rate and go herp derp look the gubmint takin all my monies!
Deshfyre
this here. I think americans have been taught that taxes are the work of the devil or something.
PMMeYourPancakes
Yeah I'd rather pay tax then pay an arm and a leg everytime I go to the doctors???? cant believe you guys think it's a good system????
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Threadnomancer
What's sad is I have to pay for Healthcare and shit and still get 28% pulled out of my check
MadMupp
Price of freedom as they keep telling places with universal health care
goawayprofile
Also a bazillion dollar a year military budget
ospalis
That sounds so much better than a wall.......wanna trade?
mirria
My single person, lower middle class income, combined taxation is about 25-30% in Quebec. That includes provincial and federal and any misc.
kmikl
We're building a wall, and making the US pay for it.
Rocket350
How much are car registrations? I hear motorcycles are so expensive to deter citizens from riding them.
Rocket350
*motorcycle registrations.
JohnnyTitelips
Dude that's only slightly over $8 U.S. And most states in the U.S. have a higher minimum wage than that. It's over $11 U.S. where I live. So
namiasdf
Yeah, but healthcare, school, etc doesnt cost us an arm and a leg.
JohnnyTitelips
Yeah, but that's not the point I was making. By the way though, Canada's college costs are comparable, if slightly lower, than in the U.S.
reallyolddispatcher
..and they teach you the proper use of "eh?".
xCOMBATICUSx
And long hospital stays don't affect your taxes at all whatsoever?
StTriniansHeadBoy
Healthcare through taxes costs less than healthcare through insurance. With taxes you have to pay for the healthcare and the admin. 1/?
StTriniansHeadBoy
With insurance you have to pay for healthcare, admin, and *profit for the insurance companies*. 2/?
Habfan18
AlkeneThiol
Do you have other federal deductions? Because my tax rate is also 15% but then we have additional deductions like social security
kmikl
CPP/QPP is deducted to a max amount annually, Union dues/etc are month to month. There's also superannuation for company pensions.
nahbruhXD
Actually it's 12.20/how, then 30% off the final total
ThomasFernandez
JayEnfield
USA spends more tax money per capita on healthcare than Canada does. And that's been the case for decades.
NoForethought
our drugs are cheaper too, because our gov buys them wholesale for the whole country, so they can negotiate great bulk prices
JayEnfield
That, and our tort laws don't actively encourage suing the piss out of every single drug that hits the market.
Yetiphobia
/1 Flipside, last night wife & I tallied the serious incompetence that her family of two parents and two kids have experienced...
Yetiphobia
/4 ...and the stories come up weekly of doctors being suspended and then merrily reinstated with no evidence of remorse or reform.
Yetiphobia
/3 ...and there is almost zero you can do. Complaints to College of MDs go nowhere unless the doctor gets dozens of complaints.
Yetiphobia
/2 and it's more than ten cases. Real, serious mis/non diagnosis of things ranging from celiac to leukemia to lung cancer...
delpharseven
Mine are 22%. That's federal and provincial, and includes contributions to Employment Insurance and the Canada Pension Plan.
AlkeneThiol
That's not even that high. Wtf why do we get told this lie about exorbitant taxes in Canada
Arcian
Because if you knew the truth you'd probably try to do something about it
delpharseven
And CPP is actually solvent and invested in marketable securities. Government can't touch it. Social Security is the US gov's piggy bank.
Wargamez
3 months in a US hospital. Total bill charged to my insurance was $476,831. Unbelievable.
thisismyanonymoususername
Yes. That number is unbelievable. But what would be a reasonable number? Do you know how much goes into your 3 MONTH stay in a hospital???
Wargamez
This is literally just the stay. This isn't my surgeries, tests, blood work, etc. Hell they charged $10 a day for the TV! For the TV!!!
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Total bill paid by your insurance. mayyyyyyybe 25% and that's being incredibly generous
JustAnotherFurry
Insurance works different in other countrys. We pay our monthly fee and every work that is nessesary is covered 100%. no extra pay here.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
I know, I was just illustrating to Wargamez that his insurance didn't really pay $475,000
delpharseven
Here are two really important for the Americans reading to understand. First, Canada doesn't have insane taxes. We pay about the same as 1/
spacerated
I did the math. You could break your arm in America, not have insurance, and still end up with more money afterwards just based off taxes
delpharseven
Let's see the math.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Here's something really important for everyone in the world to understand: there are more people in California than Canada and most 1/2
CongratsYouAreHereNow
countries in the European Union. Except for France, Italy, Germany, Poland, Spain and maaaaaaybe one or two others. Out of these pops 2/3
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Germany is the largest at 80 MM, California is 35MM and the USA is a staggering 300MM. It is far more complex to provide healthcare 3/4
CongratsYouAreHereNow
to that many people than it is for even Germany to do that. That doesn't mean I think it's a bad idea, it's just a fact. 4/4
Soifon87
That sounds like a poor excuse for failure. More people=more tax payers=more options. Americans are just too stubborn to learn from others.
imgonnawreckitagain
not sure why you got downvoted so much?
delpharseven
You have it backwards. Healthcare, done right, gets cheaper per capita as you scale up. Canada's PPP adjusted GDP per capita is 16.5% 1/
delpharseven
you. Second, and this is the big one, we pay less in taxes for healthcare than you do. That's right, PPP adjusted, an American pays more 2/
ViolentEndeavor
I am an American living in Toronto as a Temp Resident. Your taxes suck...
risstanomak5772
You're not talking about Quebec. I'm taxed at 24% provincial plus 26% federal.
delpharseven
That's the marginal rate (and means you are making >$138K). What % of your gross income actually goes to taxes+EI+QPP?
delpharseven
in just taxes for healthcare than a Canadian, or a Brit, or an Aussie, or a Frenchman, or a Swede, etc., etc. How is this possible? The 3/
twofishtails
Yeah, but MANY services are denied or delayed for Canadian citizens. Many cases of waiting weeks for certain treatments, etc.
delpharseven
American system is staggeringly inefficient. Healthcare consumes 18% of the US's GDP, compared to 11% in Canada, and it is rising faster 4/
ViolentEndeavor
American healthcare lit up because of lack of oversight on sales margins in the medical industry (mark up on price 1000+ %) and # of leeches
delpharseven
in the US than other developed nations. Economists say it is the single biggest drain on the US economy. 5/5
daelith
Wonder why so many Canadians come here for medical services?
GreatTeacherMichael
I'll throw in that for some Americans, health care is paid for by the employer. So they get health care *rather than* higher income.
JayEnfield
As an economist: If USA could get their HC expenditure down to 13%, they'd be saving one TRILLION dollars per year to use on other shit.
TiredOfTheBS
Saving this for use in future debates